This proves that Trump should have kept US forces in Syria, right? This proves that if he had, the Turks and their allies would not have been emboldened to advance, right?
In reality, it proves just the opposite. As the President himself pointed out, there has been violence in the Middle East for centuries. There will be for centuries more. We didn’t start it, and we cannot put an end to it. The fact that these jihadis refer to their opponents as “infidels” and “apostates” shows that this is just another manifestation of a very ancient hatred that has nothing to do with what the Americans are or are not doing, and which is rooted in Islamic theology (which the same Western analysts who are clamoring for us to go to war with Turkey insist teaches peace and tolerance). We should be formulating strategies to contain this, not to enable and abet it by our continued presence on the ground as an Infidel military force.
Turkish-backed armed groups threaten to behead any “infidel Kurd” they capture on their way to NE Syria. To all those who are worried that ISIS may come back. ISIS is already back to NE Syria with Turkish protection. pic.twitter.com/eNWyvfPGip
— Mustafa Bali (@mustefabali) October 19, 2019
“‘We have come to behead you, infidels’: Turkey-backed militia vows to behead any ‘infidel Kurd’ they find in northern Syria as ceasefire crumbles and Recep Erdogan vows to ‘crush the heads’ of Kurdish forces if they do not retreat,” by William Cole, Mailonline, October 20, 2019:
Footage of a Turkey-backed militia threatening to execute any Kurds they find in Northern Syria has emerged, as both sides accused each other of breaking a ceasefire agreement negotiated by the United States….
Further east along the Syria-Turkey border, a militia group in the town of Ras al-Ayn posted a disturbing video in which they proudly claimed they would display the heads of any Kurdish ‘infidel’ they find.
In the footage, one of the group shouts: ‘Desist sons of Muwali. We’ve come to behead you, you infidels, you apostates. God willing, we’re coming for you.’
Another adds: ‘Just a few hours and we’ll show you the (decapitated) heads.’
A third then quips: ‘Victory only comes from God! With beheading.’
Another, more graphic video was also posted, showing summary executions believed to be on the M4 highway, an east-west road further inside Syria.
The head spokesman for the Syrian Democratic Forces posted the footage, saying: ‘Turkish-backed armed groups threaten to behead any “infidel Kurd” they capture on their way to NE Syria.
‘To all those who are worried that ISIS may come back. ISIS is already back to NE Syria with Turkish protection.’…
munchenfez says
Ah the return of the Ottomans Bashi Bazouk. The people of the Balkans will have long memories of these scum.
DHazard says
After googling “Bashi Bazouk” I now understand why you called them scum. These “irregulars” of the Ottoman army regularly looted, raped and pillaged anyone who wasn’t a Muslim but also the Muslims who practiced Islam “wrong”. Erdogan seems to be going full on Jihad, once again proving that Islam makes Muslims hate each other and are always seeking alpha status.
GreekEmpress says
This is just the Turks doing what Turks do.
And have been doing for centuries.
Infidel says
GreekEmpress
You’re right – in more places other than just the neighborhood of Turkey. Be it the Kharezmids who beheaded Genghiz Khan’s envoys before he started a retaliatory campaign against them and ransacked Gurganj, Samarqand and Herat. Or the Ghaznavids who wiped out Buddhism from Afghanistan and started a 26 year long war against the Hindus in India, destroying hundreds of temples and shrines and massacring tens of thousands. Or the Timurides under Tamerlane who carried out holocausts in cities from Delhi to Moscow. Or the Tatars who ransacked Moscow on more than one occasion. Or the Kazakhs who frequently raided the Russian border to take Russians into slavery – which is what provoked the Russian invasion of Central Asia, which started the ‘Great Game’. Or the Mughals who massacred some 80 million Hindus and Sikhs over their 200 year reign
If you look at just individual dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, yeah, they had a lot of blood on their hands. But if you break down holocaust perpetrators by race, the Turks did more of it than the Aryans, Slavs, Han Chinese or South East Asians
gravenimage says
Grimly true, GreekEmpress and Infidel.
Demsci says
Infidel, I begin with a counter argument; present day Turks, in Turkey, seem to be descended from the pre-Turkish population by as much as 92 %.
However, i still am impressed with your historic knowledge. And perhaps, the common factor of agressive violence is not “Turkishness” but, you guessed it, Islam!
Jeffrey Sams says
Demsci, that’s a very interesting argument. I’ve wondered myself what percentage remained of the original pre-Turkic genetic composition. Do you have any studies to point to in regards to your claim?
Infidel says
Demsci, the pre-Turk population of Anatolia was largely Greek, afaik. It was the Seljuqs – w/ the sultanate of Rum and Qonya – who brought the Turks there, and had an empire stretching from (today’s) Turkmenistan through Iran to Turkey. They lost the Iranian and Turkestan part of the empires to the Khwarezmids, but continued to expand in Turkey until they morphed into the Ottomans
gravenimage says
Yes–most Turks are genetically Anatolians rather than Turks from central Asia–just as most Muslims in India are former Hindus, rather than Arabs, and most Egyptians are the same genetically as Copts, rather than Arabs. In fact, most Muslims around the world are ethnically most the same as the conquered victims of Islam.
Janice Mermikli says
My Greek family certainly have long and bitter race memories of the Ottomans, especially as our relatives in North Eastern Greece speak Turkish as a seond language.
gravenimage says
Yes–the Greeks have suffered terribly at the hands of Muslims. I have great respect for Greeks having thrown off the Ottoman yoke in the 19th century.
elee says
@Well, the Erdogan regimes support for ISIS and the like has been well-known for decades. Why did America stand down in the face of this? Whats Trumps transaction with Erdogan? I salute the courageous American soldier photographed with a patch proclaiming solidarity with the Kurds. Shame on the American regime that colludes with jihadists.
Dan says
You salute the American soldier who stands with the Kurds.
Then say “Shame on the American “regime?” that colludes with jihadist?
Do you mean Turkish muslim jihadists, or the Kurd muslim jihadists?
Cause these Kurds were NOT nice people. They were a necessary ally in time of war, like STALIN, and now that ISIS has been rousted to the point their remaining scum buckets are no longer a coherent army, it’s time to tell “Stalin” he’s on his own again.
I spent over a year in various Muslim countries, Turkey included, and they’re all taqiyya run holes I never want to see again.
Ernie says
Funny how people ( all or nearly all Americans supporting Trump , who could have guessed it …) are justifying treason here . You better read the articles by Seth Frantzman in The Jerusalem Post . Maybe , just maybe you’ll learn something from these articles .
elee says
I just scanned a few pages of titles of his ; needless to say hes a prolific writer. I didnt see anything specifically about the flaws and faults of the Kurds, judging by the titles. Maybe you can post a link to the article(s) you had in mind. Meanwhile it is my understanding that they have fought ISIS, done a disproportionate amount of the dying iin said fight, and have launched the closest thing to a western democracy in that region. I do not believe we should have deserted them.
Ernie says
Dear Elee , currently ( I’m so sorry ) I’ve no links to the articles I had in mind . Just have been reading The Jerusalem Post , and found the articles written by Seth Frantzman especially , about the Kurds , and the crisis they’re in , say last two weeks , very helpful in explaining their situation . These articles clarified also the interests of all key-players in this tragedy , and their interactions . The Jerusalem Post is one of the newspapers I read daily , and I just can recommend everybody here to do the same . Without any doubt you’ll find here lots of interesting articles . Please discover it for yourself , and…enjoy digging !
elee says
Thanks Ernie, I accept your invitation & will read some of his recent stories. But if nothing else, I sympathise strongly with anyone whom the ISIS-loving Turks propose to behead for being an infidel, and I think that goes double for the shadowy Islamist militias that do the Turks dirty work at night.
Peter Weber says
Ernie says
Oct 21, 2019 at 2:10 pm
Funny how people ( all or nearly all Americans supporting Trump , who could have guessed it …) are justifying treason here . You better read the articles by Seth Frantzman in The Jerusalem Post . Maybe , just maybe you’ll learn something from these articles .
Do you even know, what “treason” means?
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Constitution tries to define “treason” very narrowly, since a malleable definition of a crime for which the punishment is death would probably otherwise be subject to abuse.
Example: After Aaron Burr was charged with treason for allegedly trying to abscond to Louisiana to found an independent republic, the Supreme Court affirmed in United States v. Burr that “levying war” is not an abstract term, and that it in fact requires an “assemblage” of people who intend to use actual force against the government.
“Adhering” to enemies of the United States by “giving them aid and comfort” is treasonous behavior, but:
As outlined in Cramer v. United States, a 1945 Supreme Court case that overturned the conviction of a German-born U.S. citizen, the Court made clear that the provision of “aid and comfort” has to consist of an affirmative act, and must occur during wartime. The United States has problems with the Kremlin, but the USA is neither sending troops to nor launching missiles at Russia right now, and they’re not doing that to the USA, either. Same goes for Iran and other countries.
In the meaning of the treason clause, the USA has no enemies at this time.
SAFI says
“kurdish jihadis?” come again? who? the PYD? … unless you mean the (few) islamist Kurds in Turkey who vote for erdogan’s AKP… Those are the only “kurdish jihadi” that comes to mind…
Ginny says
Ezidi do not even want to be called Kurds. Their Kurdish and Arab Muslim neighbors did not help during Daesh (ISIS) attacks. There may be some exceptions to this rule, but Muslims are cowards and chipped not not regard the welfare of Kufar. That has been the bad experience of the many ME refugees I know.
Ernie says
+1
Lotus says
Even the US military has had enough of Trump, never mind everyone else.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/generals-donald-trump-military-criticism
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/19/trump-military-generals
Dan says
The Guardian?
That liberal rag?
Pu-leez.
The American military LOVES President Trump because he’s basically told them, “Do your job, and I’ll back you.”
ISIS is GONE, destroyed in what, less than two years, and they’re back to hiding in the bushes like the cowards they are.
Are we ever going to be rid of them completely?
No.
Just like we’ll never be completely free of any type of criminal activity.
Just take a good look at the democratic party as example.
Ernie . says
Trump is not infallible , nor are you ( or me ) , Dan .
Demsci says
Exactly, Ernie, BUT can Trump be the lesser of 2 or 3 evils, considering the (only) alternative(s), the Democrats? Or even the alternative of “establishment Republicans”, those who continued the swamp and old policies and the war lobby perhaps?
Ernie says
Impossible question to me Demski . I just don’t think Trump is the right man for the job , and that general James Mattis ( among many other generals ) was very right and accurate in criticizing President Trump for his policies .
elee says
If you think ISIS is GONE, I beg to differ with you. I suspect The Guardian would agree with me too.
Infidel says
Besides the point. We destroyed ISIS – if their POWs can’t simply be summarily be executed, that’s not a reason for our soldiers to stay there indefinitely, away from their families. It’s time to bring them all home, and let them further their careers. If we need a cause to have a standing army, there is a border south of us w/ Mexico, where drug cartels have pretty much cowed down the AMLO government. We can line up as many troops as we like from Brownsville to San Diego and make the border airtight, while the wall gets built.
The reason the US army exists is to defend the territorial integrity of the US. Not some nebulous cause overseas
mortimer says
Meanwhile, delusional Leftards are unable to know which side they should support.
Angemon says
They’ll support whomever is anti-Trump or makes Trump look bad.
Ernie says
Mr. Trump doesn’t need anyone ( else to make him look bad . He’s doing himself a very good job doing just that Angemon , what about that ?!) . Just ask his former advisers/counselors .
Wellington says
Trump has his faults to be sure, Ernie, but if you don’t understand that he is the strongest guarantor of traditional Western freedom in our time then you are indeed a clueless individual.
But go ahead, name a greater defender of Western freedom in our era than Trump (I put Netanyahu second). Don’t wimp out on me, Ernie. Your turn.
Infidel says
Trump had clearly proclaimed when he ran what he stood for – ending US participation in endless foreign wars. There’s no reason to be in Afghanistan or Syria. Those countries have been battlefields since the 8th century, and there’s no reason for American blood to be shed there for any reason any more.
Trump started off w/ a good team, but you had saboteurs in the CIA, FBI and the rest of the foreign policy and intelligence bureaucracy working overtime to sabotage him, which is why he’s had to shed so many of his staff. People like Jim Mattis, H R McMaster, Comey, Rosenstein had no business being hired.
gravenimage says
This is true, Mortimer–certainly, Leftists were not big supporters of the Kurds, nor even of our taking out the Islamic State, until Trump decided to pull out of the region.
Angemon says
“Mr. Trump doesn’t need anyone ( else to make him look bad . He’s doing himself a very good job doing just that ”
So, going by you, democrats are going to support Trump?…
Ernie says
No Angemon , I didn’t say anything about Democrats going to support Trump , hahaha ! You wish……. Difficult times for Trumpians nowadays ……………….hahaha !
Angemon says
“No Angemon , I didn’t say anything about Democrats going to support Trump”
No one said you did. Democrats are running on an anti-Trump platform. They’ll support anyone or anything as long as it makes Trump looks bad, even if it means contradicting themselves (case in point, the border crisis: Trump asked funding to fix it and the Democrat answer went from “there’s nothing happening at the border, Trump lies and fearmongers” to “things are reeeeeeeeally bad at the border, and it’s Trump’s fault”). If what you say is true (“Mr. Trump doesn’t need anyone ( else to make him look bad . He’s doing himself a very good job doing just that“) then the Democrats will surely support Trump.
gravenimage says
Ernie, whatever you think of Trump, the Democrats are apt to be *far* worse on protecting anyone from the Jihad.
Ernie says
Here I have to agree with you , Gravenimage .
elee says
This particular difference of opinion doesnt seem to be limited to quote Leftards unquote.
Infidel says
No, b’cos there’s a whole cadre of republicans who’ve not left the 80’s Cold War mindset even 28 years after the end of the Soviet Union, and 18 years after the replacement of Communism by Islam as the biggest threat to freedom in the world. They still think our #1 enemy is Russia (some are slightly more enlightened and think it’s China), and that it’s the job of the US to be the world’s policeman, and be an imperial successor to Britain and France in the 19th century.
What is interesting is that none of those talking heads – Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, Steve Scalise, Liz Cheney, Max Boot, Bill Krystol, et al have actual relatives deployed in those ?holes. Their views would be radically different if they had to support one who had lost limbs in the conflict, or worse, if they had to support the widows and kids of those slain in war
The GOP grassroots need to elect more Rand Pauls and Kris Kobachs to both senate and house, and fewer Lindsay Grahams and Mitt Romneys, if they want to the party to remain a KAG party post Trump
rooare says
Agree Infidel
Demsci says
But infidel, we have to walk a fine line between too much and too little military intervention. John Bolton and Lindsay Graham foresee that radical non-intervention can trigger a future war, even a devastating atomic war.
Although I grant you, but only with hindsight, that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (later on, after the good beginnings) were probably a mistake, unnecessarily costing so much lives and money.
But do not fall for the thinking of “discrimination of lesser expectation”, that is, do not primarily the Western, especially neocon side. The responsibility for the blood shed lies much more with our opponents and they are not “apes “ but responsible humans, just as the American leadership.
Demsci says
I meant “do not primarily blame, chastise the Western side”.
Demsci says
And even the 2003 invasion in Iraq was the mistake you call it, even from the beginning.
SAFI says
Except that in this case the problem are the people who reflexively hurry to defend Trump against all criticism no matter how justified. (case in point this website, even though I otherwise appreciate the work it does)
mortimer says
Kurdish people should be consulted in a plebiscite to ask if the majority wishes to establish an independent, sovereign Kurdistan and the UN should manage its orderly establishment.
Terry Gain says
Mortimer
The Kurds will never be allowed to exercise a right of self-determination. Turkey, Iraq, Syria and a Iran will never agree. The UN is corrupt and run by Muslims. There are no western leaders capable of leading. There is no Churchill, no FDR, no JFK, no Ronald Reagan and no Thatcher. The best the world has is President Trump and he has these inexplicable lapses in judgment, like his decision to abandon the Kurds and cave to the Islamist Erdogan.
President Trump has ridiculously claimed that the Kurds are worse than ISIS but at least he hasn’t called his decision to give Erdogan the green light to slaughter the Kurds a perfect decision. Or has he?
Ernie says
“….in my great and unmatched wisdom…….” ?! mmmmmmmmmmmm , Or maybe : “….in MY great and unmatched wisdom……..”?! We all know that president Trump is infallible , modest and most wise……….Terry…………..hahaha , my a.. !
Terry Gain says
“Unmatched wisdom”. Gee Ernie, for a moment there I thought you were posting one of my comments. Whew. 🙂
SAFI says
Man… when I think of all the unmatched wisdom that’s come out of Trump’s Twitter over this last 1+1/2 week. “Maybe the Kurds are worse than ISIS” was just the cherry on top…
gravenimage says
Mortimer, the UN would never give the Kurds a state.
elee says
It is not every Islamist collusion that can rise to the pristine perfection of POTUSs dealings with Ukraine.
Demsci says
What Trump said/ meant to say about the Kurds was not so crazy as you and SAFI make it out to be, it seems to me, Terry. He was influenced by Michael Doran of Hudson Institute (and retweeted his arguments), who argued that the YPG indeed was closely linked to the PKK and that the majority of Turks, including much of the opposition, was in favor of and pressing hard for intervention in Syria.
So Doran and Trump meant that the PKK threat (and the YPG being a branch of PKK) in many ways is (sort of) BIGGER than the threat of ISIS. Now. And they thus did certainly not mean that the Kurds in ideology and crimes were worse than ISIS.
Don;t get me wrong; I too am appalled by Trumps decision to abandon the Kurds, and am still shocked by it. But he did not say such an outlandish thing as that the Kurds are worse than ISIS.
Terry Gain says
The PKK is a threat to Turkey and Iraq. But it is clearly not a threat to America. While it is true that President Trump is all that stands between civilization and the oblivion posed by the twin enemies of Islam and Climate Alarmism, he is often careless with language. This undermines an image which is under constant attack.
Demsci says
Yes, at times Trump is very careless with language, alas. He is not a. Perfect man but the best we got, that we could have gotten. His advantages outweigh his disadvantages.
Are you willing to give him the benefit of the doubt sometimes, Terry? Because all around the world the MSM and his foreign enemies twist his words. And their credibiility is lower than his, IMO.
Ernie says
I like the idea of your proposal very much Mortimer .
Mark Swan says
Ernie, which part of Turkey, Iran, Syria or Iraq do you suggest, will be given to the Kurds?
By what authority do we do this right thing for the Kurds.
This article is about the so called Syrian Rebels showing the same tendencies as ISIS—these
are the same ones who have been fighting the Syrian Government—hmm—the same ones the Government of Syria has labeled terrorist—hmm.
The entire region is disrupted—everywhere we interfered—these people must have
Strong -Man Leadership. They must sort it out, by themselves.
President Trump Did Not Start This Nonsense—He Just Wants It To End—
So Should Most Reasonable People.
Our meddling there has been disastrous for us and the World.
Infidel says
Very good point, Mark. To do what people have been demanding here, we would have to go to war w/ all the 4 countries here – Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Lets go over them one by one.
Iraq – if Kurdistan was such a great idea, why didn’t the Neocons suggest it to president Bush, when Paul Bremmer was running the show? That was the ideal time to have done it – in fact, they could have perfected it by creating a Shi’ite south from Basra to Baghdad, a Sunni west (starting from Baghdad to al Anbar) and a Kurdish north. They didn’t do that due to Turkish objections – never mind that Turkey opposed the Iraq invasion for precisely this reason – they didn’t want Kurds anywhere getting assertive
Syria – again, if Kurdistan was the objective, Obama and all his bipartisan congress allies – Schumer, McCain, Boehner, et al – should have stated it, and made it the goal to carve out that part of Syria east of the Euphrates for that purpose. Again, this was not done to keep Turkey as an ‘ally’ – the same country that people are now (accurately) arguing is not one
Iran – we have been on the brink of war w/ Iran, and pulled back. Again, what happens if war does happen? Do we now support a Kurdistan out of Iran’s western provinces, or does Erdogan again have a veto on this one?
Turkey – since congress is now putting together sanctions against Turkey, here’s one more question: do we do what we did to Serbia (in Kosovo) and carve out Turkish Kurdistan? Also, what do we do about the NATO aspect, since both the US and Turkey are members? There is currently no mechanism for a member to be expelled, so do we first withdraw from NATO and then attack Turkey, or do we just brush that factoid aside as a mere inconvenience and attack them anyway?
Since all the president’s critics – Romney, Rubio, McConnell, et al have not thought this thru and have none of the answers to the above questions, President Trump is doing the right thing. If anything, he should call Rand Paul and ask him to put together his foreign policy team. Listen to lower level military people and determine how to pull out of there. Oh, and pull out of NATO, so that we’re not in any formal military alliance w/ Turkey. Oh, and declare our southern border our #1 priority
Ernie says
Marc Swan , Terry Gain explained it perfectly . Just read her comment .
Demsci says
Super good reasoning Infidel. Educational. An independent Kurdistan would be surrounded by Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran. All these countries oppose Kurdish nationhood of course. They don’t want to give up an inch of their territory.
AND they will forever block Kurdistan’s access to the sea and blackmail the Kurds with this.
And the KRG in Iraqi Kurdistan now has to make bad deals with Turkey and Iraqs government.
And what can the West and the Kurds without sea-access as was the case in 2003-2011.
But in Syria in 2011-2015 and since Kobane-fight in 2015, what with the Iranian encroachment, could the generals and the Kurds not have figured out that a landbridge to Israel or if need be to Jordan would give a Syrian-Iraqi Kurdistan access to the sea and so much more leverage towards the 4 blocking Nations. And Iran and Syria are already enemies and Iraq and Turkey are way too cosy with them also.
And Incirlik air base could move to Kurdistan.
Also “our landbridge” would of necessity block Iran’s landbridge!
But yes, it would put American soldiers in harms way and seem to render an endless war. But I feel that America IS the world’s policeman. And that it is a good thing to use by far the best army in the world for good purposes.
Infidel says
Demsci, I largely agree w/ the rest of your comments except the last: we need to stop being the world’s policeman, and that’s why Trump specifically was elected. And next came Cruz. Otherwise, voters would have happily supported Lindsay Graham or Jeb Bush, who still think that the US has a role having armies everywhere. For Pete’s sake, we already have US troops in 150 countries – out of the 190 there are in the world. Let’s revert to the Monroe Doctrine and bring them at least back to the Americas, if not the US. We don’t need troops in Niger or Mozambique, seriously!
Ernie, what Terry Gain described above – the likes of a Churchill, JFK, Reagan, Thatcher – the only equivalent to those given the policies she’s advocating – would be John Bolton. I don’t blame Bolton for supporting the Iraq war given the facts we knew at the time. However, I do blame him for supporting the mission creep that developed there, as well as his support to the (Obama) ouster of Gaddaffi in Libya. We already have US troops in 150 countries in the world, and he wanted it in even more countries, like Pakistan. The reason Trump is great is b’cos he’s now defining actual exit strategies from those wars, even though the State Department and Pentagon bureaucracies are doing what they can to slowwalk him
Ernie says
I wrote :” I like THE IDEA of your proposal very much Mortimer “. Why ? For I think the Kurds have a right to have a state of their own . They are a PEOPLE . But I know the Kurds are divided among themselves over many issues : and Syria , Turkey , Iraq and Iran would never allow an independent Kurdish state . A Kurdish state isn’t a realistic option at THIS moment . I hope one day the Kurds will have their state .
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Ernie,
The Kurds do exist and should have a permanent home—they are still a part of that region,
they must find their own way, they should be helped if they had some feasible means
of achieving this.
It troubles me to see how Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and the Kurds have fared for the worse.
Wrong thinking that has brought this about, the thinking that will allow us to move forward will
necessarily be very counter to it, and very unpopular with the Bureaucrats and Lobbyist who can only see their special interests under attack—if there was ever a time to support a President—it is NOW.
Koit Pärn says
It has been known for years that Turkey has been supporting and supplying the Kalifate (the Islamic State) with logistics, weapons, ammunition, explosives, medicine aid. Even Erdogan’s own daughter treated the Islamic State fighters. Now, why it is now published in the mainstream media? Because it would jeopardize the US relations with those Jihad supporting countries (such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, AUE). Why the hypocrisy?
Truth says
Excellent point
elee says
+1
Ernie says
+1
gravenimage says
None of these Muslim hell holes you list are our allies.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
Time for the West to exorcise itself from the snake pit.
Terry Gain says
Erdogan wouldn’t have dared attack American forces in Syria, President Trump has the world’s most powerful military under his command and isn’t even willing to threaten to use them, which is all he had to do to get Erdogan to stand down. This is an own goal by President Trump.
And the troops which were supposed to have been brought home have been sent to Iraq. And President Trump has deployed troops to the Muslim cesspool of Saudi Arabia. As President Trump would say: SAD.
elee says
+1
Ernie says
Very SAD indeed , Terry !
SAFI says
Funny, I think I posted another reply to this comment earlier but somehow its not here… Anyway as I was saying who’s going to “threaten to use the military”? Trump? The same Trump who’s won’t even risk upseting his Turkish allies by using santions like he’s threatened so many times? Except that every time turns out to be just another bluff and Erdogan keeps calling these bluffs at Trump’s and the US’ embarassment. It happened again less than half a year ago when the US was threatening to sanction Turkey via CAATSA over the S-400 controversy which turned out to be just another empty threat that was forgotten as soon as Trump met with Erdogan in Osaka… Everyone should realize that the US credibility has basically hit bottom…
Ernie says
“Everybody should realize that the US credibility has basically hit bottom… “. I think it’s only die hard “Trumpians” , real ” believers “, ignoring the signs of the time we’re living in , are still clutching at straws , are in complete denial…. Well , Russia , Turkey , Iran and China are the big winning players in Asia and The Middle East . Europe , still a great economical power , will collaborate with ” the winners ” out of ( economical ) necessity . The US will become a MARGINAL state in several aspects , thanks to isolating itself from the world stage……
Linde Barrera says
To Ernie-As per your October 22, 2019, 5:41am comment- your life isn’t on the line, your blood isn’t being spilled. So of course you think the United States of America must be “policeman to the world”. My bet is you work for the military-industrial complex.?
Ernie says
Linda Barrera , I certainly don’t work for the military-industrial complex , and I don’t think the US must be ” policeman to the world ” ( don’t flatter yourself please! ) . However , I like to see a strong , self-confident nation , with real power , yes . And besides economical power you need an effective military power to defend your own nation and the nations that are part of your sphere of influence , in cooperation with those nations . Those nations have to collaborate and contribute in a realistic manner . There is no other way . By not communicating well with your allies/ sphere of influence , or even insulting them or throwing them under the bus , the USA is losing credibility . Credibility is a necessity in this world to function well , to thrive . What I’m saying here makes a lot of sense . And you’re free to have another opinion . And please , don’t demonize me ; I think that’s not fair at all .
Mark Swan says
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/04/mansour-while-democrats-pursue-impeachment-president-trump-builds-impressive-record-of-accomplishments
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/07/stephen-miller-warns-america-do-not-be-bystander-history-fate-future-country-hands/
David Hayden says
I totally agree with Robert Spencer and President Trump. It would be great to get back to our containment policy. The ideological war against the Islamic supremacists is more important than fighting them on the ground within Muslim dominated territories. Bring on the war of ideas.
Chand says
Turkey wants to be the ruler of the Muslim world,( of the Sunnis) and thus of a huge section of humanity that follows Islam.
So they had backed IS and now are again pushing Islamists into Syria.
Diametrically opposed to them is the PKK/YPG/YPJ which has rightly rejected organized religion.
Naturally they are at each other’s throats.
As Marxist revolutionaries they are not really allies of the American order either although they were temporary allies in the fight against the bigger common enemy IS.
But these Kurdish guerrillas deserve praise for their sacrifice.
Victory to the Kurdish fighters in their struggle against the Islamists and Turkish imperialists!
SAFI says
Regardless of what political ideology or economic model PKK currently espouses the Kurds have a right to self-determination like every other nation (much more so one which numbers several dozen millions and has lived there for centuries if not millennia). Of course the neo-Ottomans will fight tooth and nail to prevent them from breaking free same as they fought fiercely in previous centuries to prevent the liberation of every other nation they once held in bondage and they’re willing to use every means for that purpose (including genocide if they feel that they can get away with it again).
SAFI says
“As the President himself pointed out, there has been violence in the Middle East for centuries”
What a precious nugget of great and unmatched wisdom indeed!
I’d rather go with “As the President himself pointed out, there were no Kurds in Normady”
“this is just another manifestation of a very ancient hatred” yeah right because it’s so unclear who’s atacking whom, it’s just those ancient ancient antedeluvian mutual hatreds my man(like the president said), move along please… the Kurds are thirsty for turkish blood, they’re gonna attack poor defenseless Erdogan and his innocent FSA/Al Qaeda jihadis no matter what, there’s nothing you can do!
Btw didn’t you hear Mr. Spencer? It seems Trump is not withrawing after all… he’s just moving the troops a few miles east to Iraq…
Wellington says
So, SAFI, enlighten us all how you would do things in the forever dysfunctional Middle East better than Trump.
SAFI: THE PROBLEM in the Middle East is Islam. Do you get at least this much?
gravenimage says
Turkish-backed militia in Syria: “We’ve come to behead you, you infidels, you apostates”
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Notice that they consider any Muslims they are targeting to be apostates,, and so fair game to murder like any Infidels.
Ginny says
Many Kurdish separatist groups are allied with Communists and the Left. Another good reason not to get involved and shoot ourselves in the foot.
andrew mckendrick says
For what it is worth Saladin was a Kurd.
gravenimage says
Also true.
Trick_or_Treat says
Yawn. Yep, still waiting patiently for the very first one of these loud-mouthed scum to come and try to behead us [lol].
Heidi says
To find out what the future holds in store for the Western civilizations and the whole world read Samuel Huntington’s book “The Clash of Civilizations”. It is scary if it should proof to be true. I didn’t want to withhold this article from you and hope you enjoy it https://www.globalresearch.ca/pumpkin-head-president/5692602
TattooedMan77 says
I’ve always said that a hatchet with bacon duct taped to the handle should be kept under the bed for such emergencies.