“We will be blessed now with readings from various sacred texts, including the Bible, the Torah and the Koran.”
How wonderful. Did the readings from the Qur’an include any of these passages?
“And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out; persecution is worse than slaughter. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is all-forgiving, all-compassionate. Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.” (Qur’an 2:191-193)
“We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151)
“They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore do not take friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, seize them and kill them wherever you find them; do not take for yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
“This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth to do corruption there: they shall be killed, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall be struck off on opposite sides; or they shall be exiled from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.” (Qur’an 5:33)
“When your Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers; so strike the necks, and strike every finger of them!” (Qur’an 8:12)
“Fight them, till there is no persecution and religion is all for Allah; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.” (Qur’an 8:39)
“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.” (Qur’an 8:60)
“Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.” (Qur’an 9:5)
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Qur’an 9:29)
“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.” (Qur’an 9:111)
“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.” (Qur’an 9:123)
“When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.” (Qur’an 47:4)
Also: when will the local mosque feature readings from the Bible? Or, as ever, does the “outreach” only go one way?
“Mayor-elect Steven Reed celebrates inauguration a few days early,” by Samantha Day, WSFA, November 10, 2019:
MONTGOMERY, Ala. (WSFA) – While Mayor-elect Steven Reed won’t be sworn into office until Tuesday, that didn’t stop him and his supporters from celebrating a few days early.
Sunday was a busy day for Reed and his family. The family was seen at a church service at Community Congregational Church early Sunday morning. Then, late Sunday afternoon, the family was sitting front row at a Unity Interfaith Worship Service at True Divine Baptist Church.
“We gather today our hearts, our prayers for unity, and again Mayor Reed, we want you to know we’re going to help you lead that charge,” Pastor Chris Erwin, from Church of the Highlands, said.
“We just want to remind you again of our mayor’s vision of bringing all people together from all walks of life, all faiths, all beliefs to make this city better,” Rev. Dr. Wendy Coleman, pastor at Reaching the Remnant Ministries, said.
Hundreds gathered for the Unity Interfaith Worship Service, as sounds and scripture from different texts filled True Divine Baptist Church.
“We will be blessed now with readings from various sacred texts, including the Bible, the Torah and the Koran,” Coleman said….
Keya says
More appeasement. The mayor should be given a koran with the offending verses underlined. He might be one of those who are clueless.
Moshe says
Mayor-elect Steven Reed has the best of intentions in highlighting the importance of diversity and inclusion. What harm can a Unity Interfaith Worship Service do?
Reed’s goals honor former President Obama’s clarion call for unity: “We will remember that we are not as divided as our politics suggests; that we are one people; we are one nation and together, we will begin the next great chapter in the American story with three words that will ring from coast to coast, from sea to shining sea: Yes. We. Can.”
These are beautiful words to live by. Let us look forward to that day when Mayor-elect Reed’s well-intentioned example in the United States will be reciprocated in Mosques from Instanbul to Gaza and even in Saudi Arabia. After all, it is possible that the verses from the Holy Qur’an selected by the clergy of the True Divine Baptist Church might inspire a change in liturgical literature in the Muslim world.
Just as former President Jimmy Carter adopted democacy as a global post-Presidency mission for fifty years, could it be that former President Obama might similarly make it his mission to promote a global Muslim Reformation along the lines highlighted by the Unity Interfaith Worship Service in Alabama?
CogitoErgoSum says
Just what about Islam do you think needs to be reformed? Would you issue a new Koran that removes all the earlier verses that were abrogated by the later verses revealed to Muhammad? Oh yes, that should produce a most interesting version of Islam indeed.
Do you even know what abrogation is? Do you know what the word “perfect” means? Do you know that Muslims consider Muhammad to have been the perfect man and he said that Islam had been “perfected.”
PRCS says
“a global Muslim Reformation”
Which would require changes to Allah’s literal word, valid til the end of time.
And a billion+ Muslims–around the world–will agree to that when?
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, to change the Koran here on Earth the original Koran that exists in Heaven would have to be changed first. Just how would that work? Maybe someone in Heaven could persuade Allah to do a re-write and then all the copies of the Koran on Earth would miraculously change also. So why doesn’t Muhammad get Allah to do that? Of course, I’m assuming that Muhammad is actually in Heaven and that Allah listens to what Muhammad says. But, as I mentioned previously, Muhammad said Islam had been perfected some 1,400 years ago so how can something already perfect be made better unless it was not perfect in the first place? So that would make Muhammad a liar, wouldn’t it ? Oh yeah, there is that.
PRCS says
And, I wonder who rechiseled that ‘tablet in the heavens’ after (a) each abrogation and (b) after that Satanic Verses snafu?
gravenimage says
Good questions, PRCS and CogitoErgoSum.
revereridesagain says
Great idea, Moshe. Be sure to include a ceremonial burning at the stake of “unbelievers” while you’re at it, if the Muslims haven’t got there with beheadings first. That should effectively “unite” all the “good” people.
There are reasons for the statements regarding the government and religion in the First Amendment. More honored in the breach than in the observance, but there for a reason. People who don’t share your religious beliefs are citizens too.
And President Barack Hussein Obama had no intention whatever of genuinely uniting the American people. His “clarion call” for racial division still echoes through our nation. And don’t hold your breath waiting for him to go out campaigning for “reform” of Islam, having famously declared that the future doesn’t belong to anyone who speaks ill of Baby Raper Prophet Mo’. It never ceases to amaze me how otherwise intelligent people can be taken in by Obummer’s “eloquence”.
gravenimage says
“Moshe” is trolling us again. What tedious stuff.
Giacomo Latta says
What is the psychiatric term for gullible simpleton? I would check it out, Steven.
Frank Anderson says
G.L. no disrespect to you is intended by my suggestion that this person (other more appropriate words may be substituted) would be incapable of recognizing any technical words assuming he wanted to. I apologize to you and all others whom I test with repeating the quote from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in one of the few cases I like from their opinions, “Deliberate ignorance constitutes knowledge of the truth.” Wyle v. R.J. Reynolds, 709 F.2d 585 (9th Cir. 1983). We are in my opinion justifiably worn out with ignorant people and fed up with those collaborators who are knowingly aiding, abetting, counselling and acting in furtherance of the downfall of the United States Constitution. One of the reasons I continue to comment here is my hope that someone will hit some magic note of inspiration that will help to resist this ongoing conquest before it succeeds. We can chase ourselves around in circles trying to solve problems that have no solution or we can get out of those endless, unproductive. wasteful and self-defeating arguments to find some solution that has a chance of working. I suggest and advise applying another quote, because I think it helps direct our effort to productive directions, “There are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see,” Forget them and look for those who might be looking. I repeat that I intend no discourtesy or disrespect to you.
Philis O'Shaughnessy says
You stupid mayor politician. Muslim hates you.
Trick_or_Treat says
To those who believe the word of God, and accept Jesus Christ as Lord God and Saviour, this token ‘coupling up’ of the bible with this (in comparison) abominably evil offence against the living God (by idiots who have got the the first clue about anything) is just disgusting – true blasphemy and slander against the nature and personality of YHWH and His Christ.
Clueless heathen!
somehistory says
He will not ignore it, but in His own time, He will vindicate Himself against all who do such things. “Let Your Name be sanctified (hallowed),” is what Jesus told us to ask from our God.
FYI says
Do you know what is in the Bible{Torah+Gospel}?
The Commandments of God
{the Two Chief Commandments plus the Exodus 20 [‘ten’}
GOLDEN RULE,”LOVE THY NEIGHBOR”
The Bible preaches OBEDIENCE to them.
Do you know what is MISSING in the koran?
The Commandments of God that are in the Bible.
NO GOLDEN RULE,NO “LOVE THY NEIGHBOR” in islam!
The koran preaches DISOBEDIENCE to them.
It is always laughable when muslims say the Bible is corrupted when it is their ‘holy’ koran that preaches the OPPOSITE to the official Laws of God given in the Bible..it is their koran that is obviously FAKE!
gravenimage says
+1
somehistory says
“True Divine Baptist Church.” This “church” needs to make an immediate name change. “Divine” means, first definition, “like God, or a God.” First fact, this “church” is not a God, and its congregation has shown that it is not “like God,” either.
To read such filth as the book that describes islam, gives commands to moslims to murder at will, rape capture, abuse and kill slaves, demands the constant shedding of blood, gives moslims the idea that they have the right to rape babies and children and call it “marriage,” that they can murder their family members for some imagined slight and call it “honor killing,” is worse than despicable. It is demonic.
All of these so-called church leaders are **misleading** those they pretend to teach God’s Word.
coleman ( no man or woman is worthy of being called “Reverend’), even called the filthy book “sacred.” Obviously she has no clue what “sacred” means, she is clueless about what is in the filthy book, and/or she doesn’t care.
Montgomery has hard times coming. The new mayor needs to get a clue and apologize, but he won’t.
Spiro says
He wount he’s not smart enough to apologize
Political correctness and
Diversity comes before
Knowledge
The bible does say even the elect will be lead astray
if that there possible
mortimer says
The mayor of Montgomery should learn that over 60% of the Koran is a rant against disbelievers. Allah hates the disbelievers and calls Muslims to bring them under subjugation.
Here are the key verses of jihad in the Koran for the convenience of Mayor Steven Reed :
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 2:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 3:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 4:71-72, 74-077, 84, 89-91, 94-95,100-104; 5:33, 35, 82; 8:1, 5, 7, 9-10, 12, 15-17, 39-48, 57-60, 65-75; 9:5, 12-14, 16, 19-20, 24-26, 29, 36, 38-39, 41, 44, 52, 73, 81, 83, 86, 88, 92, 111, 120, 122-123; 16:110; 22:39, 58, 78; 24:53, 55; 25:52; 29:6, 69; 33:15, 18, 20, 23, 25-27, 50; 42:39; 47:4, 20, 35; 48:15-24; 49:15; 59:2, 5-8, 14; 60:9; 61:4, 11, 13; 63:4; 64:14; 66:9; 73:20; 76:8.
mortimer says
News for Steven Reed : There are 4,200 different religions. If you quote from Islam’s texts, you must for the sake of fairness quote from the other 4, 198 religions that you omitted.
PRCS says
You beat me to it.
I imagine his soon to be constituents include at least a few adherents of the following religions:
Hinduism
Buddhism
Sikhism
How will he answer the followers of those and other religions who will bring that to his attention?
The solution to avoid selective ‘inclusion’ in the future is simple:
Don’t have religious invocations at political events.
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, you and I have been around long enough to understand fairness has no application to people collaborating with conquest. Dale Carnegie’s wisdom collected from many sources includes “Expect Ingratitude”. I think Unfairness is part of Ingratitude, the most frequent response of people who don’t care. Notice the current obsession on the news and in Congress, totally unburdened with any respect for law, rules or the Constitution, which they find an inconvenient subject they would render meaningless. I admire your list of verses.
James Lincoln says
But, surprisingly, he was not allowed to read from “Mein Kempf”…
commonsense says
I’ll wager that the passages from the Qur’an that will be cited will be either Sura 1, with its deceptively oblique condemnation of Jews and Christians, and/or Sura 5:31, with its seeming prohibition of murder. Of course, 5:32 will be conveniently omitted. It seems you really can fool all of the people all of the time.
commonsense says
I meant to italicize *all,* not the rest.
I also did not intend my comment to be a reply to Dr. Lincoln’s comment. This keeps happening when I use my android instead of my desktop.
rubiconcrest says
If I ran for office and won I would gladly quote from the Koran. But is would not come as a blessing but as a warning. For we as public servants have a duty to the people we represent to tell the truth and speak forcefully against any and all threats.
commonsense says
Excellent comment!
commonsense says
rubiconcrest: Excellent comment.
gravenimage says
Spot on, rubiconcrest.
Walter Sieruk says
This mayor in his reading of both the Bible and Qur ‘an together at a church unity interfaith service is a reflection of the new unbiblical ,heretical ,monstrosity affront of a movement called “Crislam.”
For in spite of all the pious words found in the Quran about “greatly respecting and honoring Jesus” The is an clever and demonically insidious way of making Islam “ sound good” To the person who doesn’t know much about the doctrines of the Bible and likewise doesn’t know how actual teaching of Islam, Chrislam might sound like a “good idea.” The reality is that many of Islam’s teachings are in such strong contradiction the doctrines found in Bible. For there are many unmovable doctrines which are in contrast between Christianity and Islam. Yet in the ways of sly deception some of the Islamic teachings fit in the Bible, for example, the “virgin birth of Jesus” this is that way to make Islam seem Bible based . The fact of reality is that most what Muslims believe is in a strong contrast to what Christians believe. The few Biblical truths in Islam only make the Quran a religious book of half-truths. For example a “half- truth is really a lie. Likewise as a part truth is falsehood .That Islam teaches the virgin birth is Jesus only makes Islam more deceptive because in that specific aspect Islam sounds Biblical ,godly, yet Islam’s teaching in many important way are outstanding unbiblical . So this “Chrislam” of the mixing of Bible based truth and the Qurans false doctrines is like mixing spring water with cyanide and hoping that drinking it will have good results.
Therefore the so called “Christians” who embrace an accept Chrislam , they fit in with prophesy in the Bible found in First Timothy 4:1. This informs the reader that “Now the Spirit expressly says that in that latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons.” [N.K.J.V.]
It also should be explained that the way for a person to discover the truth concerning the nature of Jesus is found in the Bible verse Isaiah 8:20. This instructs “To the law of the testimony. If they do not speak according to the word, it is because there is no light in them.” In other words, if a religious teacher has teaching that are in contradiction to the Word, the Bible, then that teachers is a false teacher who teaches false doctrines. The Muslim clerics, as the imam and mullahs, teach and speak doctrines about God from the Quran .
As the Quran in 112 teaches “He is God alone: God is the eternal begetteth not…” Likewise, this religious book which is the entire foundation of and for Islam further teaches in 19:35. “It is not befitting to God that He should beget a son.” In great contrast the Bible teaches in John 1:14. “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory , the glory of the only begotten of the Father ,full of grace and truth.” Likewise John 3:16 teaches “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son… Then just a little further in verse 18 it is written about Jesus Who is “the only begotten Son of God. “ Other places in the Bible further teach that Jesus is the Son of God as in Matthew 16:15:16. Luke 1:35. John 3:36. First John 4:14. 15. 5:14,15. Moreover to be even more clear the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Who is God the Father. As found in Matthew 3:16,17. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. Of course , it ,very much, needs to made even more specific . The Bible teaches that Jesus is also God the Son. As seen in Hebrew 1:8 and First John 5:20. The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain” this all away. As in they will try brush off all those Bible verse off by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted, through time, by Christians and that’s why the Bible reads as it does. That claim they make actually underestimate the Power of God to protect and keep His Word safe and intact ,through time, and away from the corruption of men.
In conclusion ,with the above instruction of the way to find doctrinal truth in Isaiah 8:20 and in the light of the Bible verse provided it may be clearly seen, by all those who are willing to see, that Islam is in terrible doctrinal error and it is therefore a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6.
Islam and Chrislam are demonic falsehoods
Walter Sieruk says
That mayor in his reading the Bible and the Qur ‘an at a unity interfaith service is spiritually and in intellectually dishonest. For the reading of the Bible and the Qur ‘an together falsely implies that both of those books complement each other. When in reality in contrast and are in contradiction with each other.
For the way for a person to discover the truth concerning the nature of Jesus is found in the Bible verse Isaiah 8:20. This instructs “To the law of the testimony. If they do not speak according to the word, it is because there is no light in them.” [N.K.J.V.] In other words, if a religious teacher has teaching that are in contradiction to the Word, the Bible, then that teachers is a false teacher who teaches false doctrines. The Muslim clerics, as the imam and mullahs, teach and speak doctrines about God from the Quran .
As the Quran in 112 teaches “He is God alone: God is the eternal begetteth not…” Likewise, this religious book which is the entire foundation of and for Islam further teaches in 19:35. “It is not befitting to God that He should beget a son.” In great contrast the Bible teaches in John 1:14. “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory , the glory of the only begotten of the Father ,full of grace and truth.” Likewise John 3:16 teaches “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son… Then just a little further in verse 18 it is written about Jesus Who is “the only begotten Son of God. “ Other places in the Bible further teach that Jesus is the Son of God as in Matthew 16:15:16. Luke 1:35. John 3:36. First John 4:14. 15. 5:14,15. Moreover to be even more clear the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Who is God the Father. As found in Matthew 3:16,17. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. Of course , it ,very much, needs to made even more specific . The Bible teaches that Jesus is also God the Son. As seen in Hebrew 1:8 and First John 5:20.
The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain” this all away. As in they will try brush off all those Bible verse off by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted, through time, by Christians and that’s why the Bible reads as it does. That claim they make actually underestimate the Power of God to protect and keep His Word safe and intact ,through time, and away from the corruption of men.
In conclusion ,with the above instruction of the way to find doctrinal truth in Isaiah 8:20 and in the light of the Bible verse provided it may be clearly seen, by all those who are willing to see, that Islam is in terrible doctrinal error and it is therefore a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6.
In addition there is a Christian internet site which replies to the many claims made by the imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam. It’s http://www.answering-islam.org
PRCS says
The real problem–for us–is not so much what they believe (although much of it IS ugly).
Rather, that ACTING it out–here–would violate the U.S. Constitution and laws is.
Theirs is a well choreographed push to convince our friends and neighbors that It doesn’t.
Ours is:
Revealed: 100 Senators and Representatives who sent letters of support to Hamas-linked CAIR
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/11/100-senators-and-representatives-who-sent-letters-of-support-to-hamas-linked-cair
Note that not one Muslim candidate for an elected U.S. office has ever been publicly asked if ANY aspect of Islam law is incompatible with democracy, the U.S. Constitution, or our secular, man made laws.
WPM says
The good mayor has prove he is a useful idiot ,along with some of the leaders of Christian churches in his area .Do the leaders of these churches know the man who started Islam proudly had both white and black slaves ,sexual slaves(woman of the righthand ).That Islam has never reject slavery to this day ,or raping or murdering and enslaving non-Moslems to this day? Islam has more in common with Nazism or the KKK then Christianity ,if they would open there eyes to how it is practice today around the world today. It cannot be reformed just as Nazism or the KKK cannot be reformed they are all rotten to the core. Fear, terror, violence, advance and keep those 3 ideas alive today with Islam being the biggest threat worldwide.
Paul J says
The Qur’an is not a sacred text, it’s just toilet paper bound in a fancy cover.
gravenimage says
Alabama: New Montgomery mayor celebrates election with readings from Bible and Qur’an
………….
Steven Reed is an idiot.
WPM says
Steven Reed may be an idiot, but he is an elected idiot ,elected by people who refuse to see Islam for what it is. We the people (most people in this country)are being lead by people who gladly give in to Islam wants and needs to make us non-believers second class citizens in our own land.
Frank Anderson says
+1.
gravenimage says
Too true, WPM.
Giacomo Latta says
Steven Reed: another Christian lamb to the slaughter.
Angemon says
Well, there are certainly some enlightening quotes/comparisons from the BIble and the quran in Robert Spencer’s books – of course, they would be “islamophobic” if read out loud in public…
UNCLE VLADDI says
Re: “And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out; persecution is worse than slaughter.”… is even worse, when you realize the hypocrites were not driven out from anywhere: Muhammad had threatened to respond to mere verbal abuse with “I will bring you slaughter!” and then, when his men were only placed under house arrest (not ‘driven out!’ at all) they left voluntarily, only to regroup elsewhere (Ethiopia and Somalia) to later re-invade and wage war against Mecca until they did, indeed, “bring them slaughter!” So nothing in the Qur’an is truthful, and islam has always attacked first.
gravenimage says
True, UNCLE VLADDi.
OLD GUY says
WE need to quit electing these people.
Frank Anderson says
Many of them get elected because enough of us do not vote.