https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1194572882644480001
Is he a terrorist sympathizer? Obviously: “The Labour Party leader came under fire last year after pictures surfaced of him at a wreath laying ceremony near the graves of members of Black September, which was behind the killing of 11 Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics.”
But the Church of Scotland, predictably, is ready to throw Richard Cameron under the bus: “We do deplore any comments which are Islamophobic.”
But wait: aren’t we always told that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism? So how is calling Corbyn a “terrorist sympathizer” a manifestation of “Islamophobia”?
“Jeremy Corbyn branded ‘terrorist sympathiser’ by Church of Scotland minister,” by Tim Baker, Evening Standard, November 13, 2019:
Jeremy Corbyn has been branded a “terrorist sympathiser” by a Church of Scotland minister during a campaign visit.
As the Labour leader was entering the Heart of Scotstoun community centre in Glasgow on Wednesday, he stopped to tell broadcasters about a scarf he was wearing, which had been given to him by representatives of the Who Cares Scotland charity.
But he was interrupted by Richard Cameron, the minister at Scotstoun Parish Church, who shouted: “I thought you’d be wearing your Islamic jihad scarf.
“Do you think that the man who is going to be prime minister of this country should be a terrorist sympathiser, Mr Corbyn?
“Who’s going to be the first terrorist invited to the House of Commons when you’re prime minister?”
Mr Corbyn did not respond to the comments and walked away, to which Mr Cameron said: “Aye, he’s running away.”
The veteran Islington North MP has repeatedly denied “terrorist sympathiser” allegations levelled against him over the years….
The Labour Party leader came under fire last year after pictures surfaced of him at a wreath laying ceremony near the graves of members of Black September, which was behind the killing of 11 Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics.
At the time, Labour said he attended the event only to remember victims of a 1985 Israeli air strike on Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) offices in the Tunisian capital of Tunis.
A Church of Scotland spokesman said: “There has been significant concern raised today about the comments made by Rev Richard Cameron and his social media use.”
“At this stage all we can say is that there is a formal complaints process and that any complaints we receive in relation to this matter will be taken seriously and addressed.
“We do deplore any comments which are Islamophobic or homophobic.”…
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The Scots may very well save the UK. They simply take no guff!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSakGB1u9mw
gravenimage says
Flavius, the story above is about the Church of Scotland castigating a Minister for daring to criticize Jihad terror, calling it “Islamophobia”. How is this ‘taking no guff’?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
They won’t put up with being told to shut up.
That is essentially the purpose of the word “islamophobia.”
I included a youtube clip because I don’t use, have never used, will never use twitter.
gravenimage says
Flavius, I hope that Reverend Cameron doesn’t put up with being told to shut up.
But clearly many of those involved with the hierarchy of the Church of Scotland are dhimmi tools, all too happy to use the term “Islamophobia” and kowtow to Jihad terrorists and those who support them.
As someone who is of Scottish heritage, I am especially disgusted seeing this.
Infidel says
Not just that, the Scots have been more Islamophilic than the English in the hopes of breaking away from the UK: that’s how the Brexit lines were drawn the last time around. They’re the ones who could give Labour enough support outside Greater London
Ecosse1314 says
Labour hascollapsed in Scotland. That is the good news. The bad news is that their support has gravitated to the SNP who as you rightly say are even more Islamophilic in order to attract the muslim vote.
Giacomo Latta says
The pat response by corporate Christianity is to turn the other cheek. They are too stupid to realize that muslims strike at necks not cheeks. Happily there are some Christians that are not that stupid.
mortimer says
Part of the role of the Christian clergy is prophetic: namely to point out evil. Corbyn plays with these evil doers and thus gives the impression of endorsing their evil deeds.
Bazz12 says
The real question is he a secret muslim ?
Michael Copeland says
The Church of Scotland has suspended one of their ministers after he heckled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.
Rev Richard Cameron, of Scotstoun Parish Church, attracted the national spotlight on Wednesday when he confronted Mr Corbyn on a visit to his local area.
He made Islamophobic comments and called the leader of the opposition a “terrorist sympathiser”.
https://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/18039491.scotstoun-parish-church-minister-rev-richard-cameron-suspended/
gravenimage says
Awful to hear that Reverend Cameron has been suspended, Michael–just sickening.
Jeffrey Sams says
I imagine he knew the writing was on the wall. I also read that he lost his post as a local school chaplain because they “value diversity and inclusion” etc. , etc. He’s better off without the Church of Scotland.
gravenimage says
Terrible, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey Sams says
It certainly is, but the Lord has a plan in this. He’ll place him somewhere where he’ll be better utilized. He’s already provided a tremendous public service not just in His home area, but all over the Western world!
gravenimage says
I hope so, Jeffrey. But humans have free will–everything does not automatically work out for the best, I’m afraid.
CogitoErgoSum says
Islam is right about homosexuality. Am I being Islamophobic or homophobic when I say that? And … is Islam wrong about women?
Wellington says
With respect, CES, Islam is NOT right about homosexuality because Islam dictates that homosexuals must be killed. I don’t want any gay or lesbian killed simply because they are gay or lesbian.
As for women, Islam is egregiously wrong about the female sex—many, many, many times over. This is a no-brainer.
CogitoErgoSum says
That’s using your brain, Wellington. Good response. ?
gravenimage says
CogitoErgoSum, do you *really* believe that those accused of being homosexual deserve to thrown off tall buildings or stoned to death?
And are you hinting that you also believe that women deserve to be sexually mutilated, married off as little girls, forced into marriages, forced into Purdah, not allowed to leave the house without being accompanied by male “Mehrams”, being considered worth half of a man, beaten, “Honor Killed”, and stoned to death? I hope not.
Wellington says
There is a larger perspective to be considered here and it is this: In one Western country after another, three examples being the UK, Canada and the US, the major party on the Left over the past half century or so has lost its collective mind.
Formerly, both the major party on the Left of the political spectrum as well as the major party on the Right of the political spectrum, in one Western nation after another, often disagreed about government policy, but both were clear headed where evil lay—and that it needed to be accurately identified and thereafter combated.
This has drastically changed over the past half century or so (and proving once again how disastrous the 1960’s were) so that in our time the current Western Left has been in league with the detritus of the human race, making excuses during the Cold War for Communism and, even worse, now making excuses, indeed sometimes applauding (as here with Corbyn), the most retrograde (thank you, Winston Churchill) and destructive sphere of mankind on Earth, that sphere being the Islamic sphere, which as long as it exists will pose a mortal threat to liberty and will be a curse to all of mankind.
Ditto, respecting this threat, the idiocy of current Western Leftism. Jeremy Corbin, Justin Trudeau, Angela Merkel, Pope Francis, pretty much the entire Democratic Party of the USA, et al. serving as apt and tragic examples of what should be an easily recognized verity by all those who are still possessed of proper knowledge, common sense and moral intelligence.
f says
The usual Dhimmiwit Christian-MSM denial of reality which can be expressed thus..
“iSLamic Terrorism has nothing to do with ISLAMic Terrorism since iSLam has nothing to do with ISLAM:that’s just “islamophobic” hate-speech.
iSLam is a peaceful tolerant religion;fanatics follow iSLAM which is completely different…
Alan says
If the church condemns homophobia, then it is condemning the Holy Bible.
Battle says
Poor Richard Cameron persecuted for being a true Christian by the homosexual hate-crime and Islam hate-crime so-called pastors.
Battle says
Who is going to tell, “A man who lays with another man … is an abomination to the Lord,” Leviticus (KJV), to the so-called pastors?
R Russell says
Battle.
You quote Leviticus – which Paul tells us; the former things were written for our learning. Our learning.
However you haven’t quoted Jeremiah. A New Covenant (Which Jesus told us he ratified with his blood at the Passover just prior to his execution) This New Covenant is to be internalised within the Being of the Christian and not imposed externally. In other words Relationship leads to change and holy living. Externally imposed ‘laws’ have no power to change anyone.
Jesus’ death and resurrection were to change people from the inside out. Pointing the finger at those who either do not understand where they have gone wrong or not being Christians do not have the Holy Spirit within them to lead them to change is fruitless. All it does is turn them against the very Person who seeks to empower them into the holiness Christians are meant to walk in.
Do we have any evidence of this change in the NT?
Yes we do. 1 Corinthians 6 I have broken in at v11 but recommends reading it all
“….And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
Notice it is past tense. The church at Corinth attracted many with what we would call serious character flaws. No external ‘Law’ was imposed on them, they changed due to the empowerment of the Internal Holy Spirit.
The whole letter to the church in Galatia lays it out much more clearly.
Condemnation never leads to change, Love does – Paul also said that it is God’s KINDNESS which leads to repentance.
Let us remember there are ‘low profile sins’ which somehow we seem to think are less culpable than homosexuality. We do not condemn slandering others. Why not?
Let us praise our Saviour who has promised to be with us and in us during change. Let us not chase away those who do not understand that their stance is non-Biblical. Let us, with the Kindness of God lead them to repentance under His bidding.
Lise says
R Russell,
I saw nothing Biblically amiss in Battle’s comment.
But in yours.
Upsetting, (or odd, or I maybe need say_ typical_ for there are so many proBDS supposedly-Christian circles) that you projected “condemning” in his simple, short, forthright and actually very excellent question.
Who IS going to tell them?
Jesus made my point,too, as well as asking, why do you call me Lord, Lord, and don’t do what I say?
Again, Jesus, “Do not think I came to abolish the law. But to fulfill it. And what he meant was heavens definition of the fulfillment of that law. Not finite man’s definition of fulfilling the law. We see legal ism in the Islam faith, too. Or rather I should say in the Islam viewpoint. ( For it does not practice anything regarding faith or religion since it is a worldview of blood, bloodshed.) Also…
If one were to follow your point, is Jesus condemning?
For Jesus also warned that the know-it-all types would put the Battle-types in prison, thinking that they’re doing God a service. What type are you? Are you a know it all type? Or one who puts Jesus first? Or your popularity vote first?
speaking of your point on the internal work inside of every human being that the holy God of the Bible demands of us who call ourselves part of the human race, the Biblical foundation is clear that there exists RESPONSIBLE direction. Two types according to the Holy Bible. Only two types. What was that Bob Dylan song? You Gotta Serve Somebody? So who do you serve?
Is present society acknowledging Jesus’s warnings? or the politically correct’s? It’s so tiresome, because really, we are responsible to point out sin and evil. Pointing it out is not condemnation!!!
if we follow your argument to its full realization, you are basically accusing Jesus of being a finger pointer, too, & of being wrong, of having that spirit of condemnation. Wrong answer, yours. Maybe I should not even be correcting you, however, since the book of Proverbs states ‘do not correct a self confident [rebel in the Hebrew], lest you invite abuse’… (although, frankly, you did not sound scoffing to me. But simply naive and following the crowd, the dhimmi, cowardice-provoking crowd.)
So, all this to say, I therefore exhort you to start afresh in approaching Jesus’s commands to put G-d first rather than society.
Lastly, Jesus warned in the last book of the New Testament that cowardice is just the same to Heaven as murder, theft and being a snoop. Yup, check it out. Revelation 21:8
May you be in service to The Lord.
A daughter of Lord Jesus Christ.
R Russell says
Lise:
Your whole reply appears to be coming from an agenda in your own head. That is distressing. You raise a number of red herrings to try to make your argument. I don’t respond to red herrings – they are yours, not mine. This is the same with your judgments – coming from your head, not mine.
You are entitled to have your opinion, but to try to qualify it as a Bible certainty requires in context understanding.
What did Jeremiah mean by the New Covenant? Why did Jesus say his blood was the blood of the New Covenant? Why are you speaking about the external keeping of laws (Which no one is able to do Paul’s letter to the church at Galatia) Jesus told us as Jeremiah did that the laws are to be internalised. This is transformative change through a personal friendship with the Bible Jesus.
Why do you not mention this at all? It is the core message of my reply.
Jesus fulfilled the Law because he was tempted in every point just as we are, only He was without sin. It is a demonstration of his sinlessness compared with our sinfulness. Our sinlessness is imputed and its punishment already paid for by the death and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah.
Jesus, through the power of the Holy Spirit transforms us to make us more like him. It is a lifelong journey. To try to keep the Law as an adherence to law statements only leads to failure. To have Jesus change us on the inside means we have received his grace to change – it is all done though Him. Our relationship is with a person, not a list of laws.
You speak of Islam having legalism. Islam ONLY has legalism. Their God Allah is unknowable. The triune God, YHWH of the Christians is knowable. The fact that he is triune is a demonstration of his ‘knowableness’ within the persons of the trinity. Allah is tawhid. He cannot be personal for he has no one to be ‘personal’ with.
You can stick with whatever judgment you come to of me. It neither threatens me nor draws me into a co-dependent relationship.
I do not use Bob Dylan to get my Biblical direction. I have NO intention to do so in the future.
You ask ‘If one were to follow your point, is Jesus condemning?
Jesus did not come 2000 years ago to condemn. He came to call sinners to repentance. Condemnation is reserved for the Great White Throne judgment.
When Jesus tells us he did not come to condemn, I must ask him to help me do the same. Jesus pointed out flaws he saw in Jewish leaders most of whom did not not repent. Their judgment is reserved for the future.
I can find no place in the Bible which tells me to point out sin to the unbeliever. It tells me to give them the Good News – that Jesus died and rose again for their moral flaws. It is the Holy Spirit who leads people to Jesus for forgiveness of sins.
Finger pointing alienates. Good News draws people to Jesus.
If Christians are unaware of their sin then God must direct the actions taken. If Christians refuse to repent once the Holy Spirit highlights it then we must PRAY. Our battle is in the heavenies, not against flesh and blood.
Your whole reply is full of condemnation of me as a person. You accuse me of fallacies which are LIES. You DO NOT address any of the scriptural truths I raised.
Christians are meant to pray in the Kingdom of God.
If you do not understand what I wrote you must ask for clarification. You do not try to put words in my mouth to fit me into the box you have made for me.
I leave you with the Aaronic blessing.
gravenimage says
Church of Scotland minister calls Corbyn terrorist sympathizer, Church of Scotland condemns “Islamophobia”
……………………
Well, the Reverend Richard Cameron is pretty savvy; others in the Church of Scotland, not so much.
That the Church of Scotland considers criticizing Jihad terror to be “Islamophobic” is just grotesque.
Paul Freeman says
The Evening Standard didn’t include the entirety of what Reverend Richard Cameron said. After commenting about the scarf, he went on to ask “Not invited to the funeral?” clearly referring to the recent demise of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader killed in an Israeli airstrike.
(1) This clearly deliberate omission changes the meaning. The Reverend was referring to a specific designated terrorist organisation, not making any connection between terrorism and Islam as a whole. The omission was designed to tar him with “Islamophobia”.
(2) The collective madness in countries heir to the western liberal tradition where this neologism is credited with referring to something real and wicked is the conscious creation of Neo-Marxists working to a script going back to Hegel to destroy western civilisation. We need to stop banging our heads against the idiocy and understand its intellectual roots. See these websites:
https://unconstrainedanalytics.org
https://vladtepesblog.com
R Russell says
In recent years it has been obvious that the Church of Scotland has left behind its roots and what it stood for. John Knox must be birling in his grave.
When the Scottish Stuart kings went to England upon the death of Elizabeth of England and discovered how easy it was to control the masses because the king was head of the Church of England they sought to impose Anglicanism upon the Presbyterian Scots. They failed. The National Covenant was signed and many died because they refused to see Church and State joined. It was a dangerous time to be a Christian in Scotland.
It was illegal to read the Bible and it was illegal to gather to gather to hear the deposed ministers of the ‘Kirk’. Many died.
I think it was in 2013 that the church of Scotland had to backtrack when it stated at the General Assembly in May of that year that Israel had no historic right to their land. That caused criticism by UK Jews and the Kirk had to back track. It would appear they hold to Replacement Theology.
(I always am suspicious when groups backtrack in circumstances like this – never seems genuine to me)
However The church which saw so many die in the 17th and 18th centuries in order to keep church and State separate has totally capitulated and also supports same sex marriages.
Many believe it has now become part of the End Times apostate church.
Thus it is no surprise that in order to keep some semblance of importance they have chosen to throw this man under the bus.
I would recommend that he join his colleagues, the Kirk ministers who left some years ago, (over the homosexual controversy) in the Free Kirk in Scotland which at present doesn’t appear to cow tow to anyone and doesn’t haul its clergy over the coals for stating the obvious.
Tom says
Corbyn ….. A one word death knell for the Labour Party in the UK. Good riddance.
Angemon says
That’s actually a good question – jihadi or antifa?
Tom says
They are already well entrenched there and in Canadian parliament too.
mortimer says
The Rev Richard Cameron is clearly correct and accurate. Corbyn does indeed sympathize with Muslim terrorist groups. His attendance at such events is tantamount to endorsing anti-Semitism and to encouraging Islamic terrorists in the UK. Corbyn attended events at which known terrorists were present. He didn’t leave them or walk out.
The Church of Scotland leadership should realize that most of the Koran is an arrest warrant aimed at Christians.
jca reid says
George Orwell said, “Speaking the Truth will be deemed a Revolutionary Act.” how true. The guy is telling the truth about this vile piece of sh*t! His ideal view of a society is the Soviet System, or what existed in the then DDR – East Germany!! Says it all really.
gravenimage says
So true.