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Emmanuel Macron Doesn’t Want Muslims to be “Stigmatized”

Nov 30, 2019 10:00 am By Hugh Fitzgerald

The cautionary tale is here.

French President Emmanuel Macron has warned against “stigmatising” Muslims or linking the Islamic religion with the fight against terrorism.

“We have to stand together with all our fellow citizens,” Mr Macron said during a joint press conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Wednesday.

The French people do not have to “stand together” with those who believe they are “the best of peoples,” and the French, as non-Muslims, “the most vile of created beings.” They do not have to “stand together” with people who have managed to settle in France, but who refuse to obey French laws. They do not have to “stand together” with those who are commanded to wage war against, and strike terror in the hearts of, all Infidels. Macron should have said something very different: “We have to stand together with our fellow citizens who are, or who want to be, truly French. We have to support those who uphold our laws, and punish those who flout them. We must never forget the republican and laic principles that are the foundation of our state.”

Macron’s craven remarks came as a French woman said she was taking legal action against far-right politicians who criticised her for wearing an Islamic headscarf in public.

That “French woman” — a Muslim — was not criticized for “wearing an Islamic headscarf in public.” She was criticized for deliberately breaking the French law which prohibits wearing the hijab in government offices. The regional parliament building she entered, accompanying her son’s class on a field trip, is such an office.

France has about five million Muslims.

It is the largest Muslim minority in Western Europe.

Wearing the Muslim headscarf or veil – known as a hijab – is banned in French schools, government offices and some other public buildings.

France is officially a secular state and body-covering garments have been at the centre of a number of controversies in recent years.

Last week, a Muslim mother who wore a headscarf during a school trip with her son to the regional parliament in Bourgogne-Franche-Comté in eastern France received verbal abuse from the chamber.

The BBC has it wrong. There was no “verbal abuse” directed at this Muslim mother. She was simply informed, by a member of that parliament, that wearing the hijab in the parliament building was prohibited, and that her refusal to remove the hijab a deliberate “provocation.”

An image of the woman – given the name Fatima – embracing her son was widely shared after footage of the incident was posted on social media.

The woman, “Fatima” in the news accounts, is being depicted as the put-upon victim of a right-wing French Islamophobe, who dared to demand that her hijab be removed. But what was his crime? Julien Odoul, the member of the regional parliament who raised the issue, only requested that she be asked to remove her veil. For the law says that the hijab is banned in government offices, and the parliament certainly qualifies as such an office. Odoul mentioned that the teachers, pupils, and accompanying parents had entered the “hemicycle” – that is, had passed among the parliamentary benches. That should have been the end of the matter; it’s a government office, and Fatima should have complied either by removing her hijab, or removing herself from the parliament.

The issue became confused when discussions began about whether whether the hijab could or should be banned on school trips.

It [the contretemps at the parliament building, over the request for the Muslim woman to remove her hijab] also sparked street demonstrations in the area and has renewed a national debate over the Muslim veil. France currently has no law banning mothers from wearing the hijab on school trips.

It is true that banning the wearing of hijabs on school trips has not yet been passed into law. But it did pass the French Senate, and may yet be adopted by the National Assembly. It is certainly reasonable to argue that not just in the schools, but in school-related events, including sports competitions, school fairs (Kermesses), and field trips that serve a pedagogical purpose and thus can be considered as part of the school day, the hijab should be banned. But that was not the relevant question here. The only thing that counted was that the mother, as she knew perfectly well, was  in a government office. And hijabs were banned.

On Wednesday, Mr Macron called for a better understanding of the Muslim religion in France and condemned what he described as the “fatal shortcut” of linking Islam with terrorism.

“There is a lot of irresponsibility among political commentators,” he said, adding: “Communalism is not terrorism.”

Yes, by all means, let’s have a better understanding of the Muslim religion, beginning with Mr. Macron himself. If he has not yet read and studied the Qur’an by now, he is guilty of criminal negligence. And it appears that he has not, for he condemns those who, having read and studied the Qur’an, have quite reasonably found a link — many links – between what the Qur’an contains and Islamic terrorism. There are many verses in the Qur’an commanding Muslims to wage violent Jihad against Infidels, including a number specifically calling on Muslims to “strike terror” in the hearts of those Infidels. It is not the islamocritics who should be chastised by the likes of Emmanuel Macron. It is he who still refuses to recognize reality. And when Macron calls for a “better understanding of the Muslim religion in France,” it is he who needs to “better understand” that fanatical faith. He should start by reading the most violent verses of the Qur’an. Here are a few that Macron would do well to read and study first: 2:191-193, 3:151, 4:89, 8:12, 8:60, 9:5, 9:29, 47:4. These verses, and a hundred more, instruct Muslims to attack and kill and terrorize Infidels. Muhammad himself, in a well-known hadith, boasted that “I have been made victorious through terror.” Macron owes the people of France that study.

Someone should ask Macron, in public,  if he has read and understood the Qur’an. He can’t possibly respond “no.” Then the questioner should follow up, by reading out to him, in public, a dozen of the most disturbing verses. Once those verses have become known in such a fashion — no putting the genie back in the bottle — it will be hard for Macron to justify his attack on those who link Islam and terrorism.

The incident at the regional parliament building in eastern France occurred during a school trip on October 11, in which Fatima accompanied her young son.

A politician from Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Rally – formerly known as the National Front – saw her during a debate and ordered her to remove her veil.

Julien Odoul did not “order her to remove the veil.” He asked the speaker of the Parliament, Marie Guite Dufay, who presided over the Parliament, to ask Fatima to remove her hijab. There is a difference between an “order” and a “request.” Odoul did nothing more than try to get Fatima to obey the law.

He was especially exercised at this flouting of the law just a week after the latest murders in France by a Muslim terrorist: “After the murder of our four policemen, we cannot tolerate this [provocation],” he wrote.

Here is the French text he posted on Twitter:

« Au nom de nos principes républicains et laïcs, j’ai demandé à @MarieGuiteDufay de faire enlever le voile islamique d’une accompagnatrice scolaire présente dans l’hémicycle. Après l’assassinat de nos 4 policiers, nous ne pouvons pas tolérer cette provocation communautariste.

And here is an English version, with some phrases added to make the meaning clear : “In the name of our republican and laic principles, I requested that Marie Guite Dufay tell the woman who was one of the mothers accompanying the pupils, and was sitting ‘among the benches,’ to remove her hijab. After the murder of our four police officers, we cannot tolerate such a deliberate provocation.”

In an interview with the group Collective Against Islamophobia in France (CCIF), Fatima said she was sitting quietly in a corner of the room when she heard someone shout “in the name of secularism.”

“People started screaming and getting upset,” she told CCIF (in French), adding: “The only thing I saw was the distress of the children – they were really shocked and traumatised.

“I tried to reassure them… my son approached me and jumped on me, crying. I told them I could not stay.”

Little children crying. People screaming. The horror and cruelty of it all. All nonsense, of course. Julien Odoul, the arch-villain of the piece, had only asked the presiding speaker, Marie Guite Dufay, to have “Fatima,” in accordance with French law, remove her hijab, which could not be worn in such places as the parliament. ” “Fatima” surely knew the law, and was indeed engaged in a deliberate provocation, seeing if she could get away with breaking that  law. To make matters worse, much of the French media has treated her as a victim, not as a lawbreaker. And the parliamentarian Julien Odoul, who only requested that the law be obeyed, has been pilloried, absurdly, as a “right-wing Islamophobe.”

Don’t expect Emmanuel Macron to stand up for French laws. He wants everyone in France to “stand together.” An impossible task. Where has a Muslim population anywhere managed to “stand together” with non-Muslims? Some days Macron seems to be talking semi-sense about Islam. And other days – not so much. And on still other days, he spouts intolerable nonsense. This was one of those “still other days.” Whether the candidate facing Macron ends up being Marine Le Pen or her niece Marion Marechal or even Eric Zemmour, a new election can’t come fast enough.

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  1. Frank Anderson says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 10:12 am

    This (whatever he/she/it is) is NUTS, along with all the other (whatever they are) who keep pumping this stinking lie. A few minutes reading the first chapter of any of dozens of good books by reputable and informed authors is all it should take to see just how false this claim is EVERY TIME IT IS MADE. I have read approximately 30 books, in full, by a wide spectrum of authors. There is nothing to support the “religion of peace” lie anywhere.

    • Lavéritétriomphera says

      Nov 30, 2019 at 11:00 am

      @Frank Anderson,

      Bonsoir,
      Perhaps Macron is saying we must not stigmatized Muslims because of Islam. He describes himself as an agnostic, but all you have to do is to read Quran to realize the reading of this book may cause confusion and violence among vulnerable people.
      Bien à toi, ami

      • mortimer says

        Nov 30, 2019 at 11:18 am

        Agree with FrankAnderson and LVT: Macron is UNDERINFORMED about Islam.

        The 164 JIHAD VERSES are clearly part of the Koran’s message. Over 60% of the Koranic text concerns how Allah hates the KAFIR and wants Muslims to fight and kill them.

        THIS STIGMATIZES ALL NON-MUSLIMS … namely, the Koran STIGMATIZES 80% of all humans.

        Islam is systemically and intrinsically INTOLERANT of the ‘OTHER’. There is no getting around the fact that Islam STIGMATIZES the ‘OTHER’ for not believing in the prophethood of Mohammed.

        KAFIRS are considered ‘NAJIS’ (filthy) by Islam and all Muslims know this. By adhering to Islam, all Muslims accept this BIGOTRY theoretically, even if they do not actively practice the religious war declared by Allah against the DIRTY KUFAAR.

        • Westman says

          Nov 30, 2019 at 12:06 pm

          Macron is not uninformed, he is politician. His interest lies in retaining a position of opportunity and power; which means leading from behind the polled majority belief and attitudes of the citizens. Macron will do nothing that actually promotes the welfare of France if it ruffles too many feathers.

          Muslims(legal) represent 7.7% of the population and if illegals are counted, more like 10%. Macron can’t afford to have Muslims angry enough to vote against him.

          It will require the majority of French citizens to be willing to express their discomfort with Islam before any politicians, other than Le Pen, will take action. The OIC is trying to get any such response muzzled under “international law” because they know the ummah will always give Islam a black eye with Quran-approved actions that cannot be patched over with propaganda. The image of Islam, in the West, is only getting deservedly worse.

        • Rufolino says

          Dec 1, 2019 at 6:49 am

          I would like to give dear M.Macron HIMSELF “a better understanding of Islam”, which he is currently recommending to the French nation !!

          I would take him to the home of EVERY FRENCH PERSON whose life and family has been damaged or ruined by the toxic violence of Islamic jihadism.

        • Frank Anderson says

          Dec 1, 2019 at 7:55 am

          Rufolino, how many examples are needed to show that Quislings will not only ignore any effort to inform them of their error, but punish anyone who dares to question them. When a choice is made to aid a totalitarian conquest, it is not, in my reading of history, ever reversed. Before exposing yourself as a dissident and inviting retaliation, look for all alternatives to accomplish the goal. Why should any of us destroy ourselves because someone else is a crook? “A wise man harkeneth to counsel; A fool in his own eyes is always right.” Macron is but one among many who by this description is a fool. So were Neville Chamberlain and Edouard Daladier. But that did not stop them, nor will it stop Macron and others from doing all they can to destroy Western Civilization and make us slaves or kill us. “Convert, Submit or Die.”

      • Frank Anderson says

        Nov 30, 2019 at 12:33 pm

        Kevin, the first step to dealing with ANY problem is to admit and accept that a problem exists. I respect you and enjoy our conversation, hoping you will never be offended. I recently read Bill Warner’s Trilogy, Abridged Koran, The Political Traditions of Mohammed (The Hadith for Unbelievers) and Mohammed and the Unbelievers (A Political Life). Warner is a retired PhD. His major contribution through these and other works is order and concentration. These books are available in print and on Amazon Kindle.

        The standard Koran is published in order of the longest chapter first, totally confused and scrambled. Imagine taking a Bible and sorting each chapter regardless of its present position into “longest chapter first”. The standard Koran includes much repetition and much that applies to believers but not us.

        One of the very best friends I ever had, who is no longer living, had the longest part in the longest degree in Masonry. Speaking in a clear, beautiful voice, he could be heard and understood anywhere in the room. I remember the major line from his part, and can hear him in my imagination speaking it, “I will lead the blind by a way that they knew not, along paths which they have not been, I will make dark things light before them and crooked things straight. All these things I will do unto them and not betray them.”

        We are being led by betrayers like Macron, Pope Francis, Merkel. . .Those of us who are not blind need to help others see to get through this mess as the free people the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jesus wishes, instead of the slaves the god of islam directs. I suggest from my experience that reading the Koran does not convey the full impact and intention that is needed to understand the problem and compel action. Knowledge gives power; the more clarity the greater the motivation to act. Frank

        • mortimer says

          Nov 30, 2019 at 1:18 pm

          Agreeing with FA: they are ‘The Traitor Class’. They make deals with the Islamist devils and try to convince us that the devils are angels. The people generally are either not buying it or they are asleep finding the arguments about Islam boring and confusing.

        • Lavéritétriomphera says

          Dec 1, 2019 at 6:24 am

          @Frank Anderson,
          @mortimer,

          Hi

          Westman is right.
          When I tried to read Quran I understood this book has been written by many authors. Islam is man-made. I do not believe for a second that Macron and Merkel (but, of course, I can be wrong) do not know the dangerousness of Islam, and I hope you have success if you find some truth in their statements when it comes to the Islamic totalitarian system.
          If I want the truth I go to the opposite (my opinion).
          The pious Muslims have the primary duty to be tolerant towards the ones that Muslims considered as a misunderstood people (themselves), they constantly complain and need tissue, this kind of behavior is not synonyme of Fraternité.
          Je respecte chaque individu, mais j’ai mieux à faire que d’écouter les lamentations et le baratin de gens qui nous prennent pour des poires (I respect everyone, but I have better things to do than to listen to the wailings and sale pitch of some who are taking us for fools).
          These two – the French and the German – want to rule EU. And their politic is not everyone’s cup of tea in the continent. The time of Charles the Great, Imperator Romanorum, is over. The will of the European peoples (Vox populi) needs to be taken into account, and I am not the only one in EU who thinks Islam is a totalitarian system.
          Sincere wishes to all of you.
          Amitiés

      • mortimer says

        Nov 30, 2019 at 1:24 pm

        Reply to Lavéritétriomphera:

        Macron does not accept the fact that, for a Muslim, the word « FRATERNITÉ » only refers to a brother Muslim and NEVER refers to a dirty kafir.

        Muslims a observe a form of Islamic APARTHEID from the dirty kafirs called “AL WALAA WAL BARAA”.

        If Macron doesn’t understand AL WALAA WAL BARAA, then he cannot understand the CORE MOTIVATION of all Islam.

        Learn about Al Walaa wal Baraa.

        http://westindanger.com/wb/walaa-baraa.html

  2. andrew mckendrick says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 10:44 am

    Question for Muslim politicians who prattle on about islamophobia , do you believe Jews are descended from apes and pigs? Use their own texts to expose them for what they are, or does that require too much reading from our cowardly political class?

  3. Kerry Wade says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 10:45 am

    Yet more absurd drivelling from a Muslim. She’s breaking the law therefore a criminal therefore should be prosecuted. Slap this aggressor in jail for a couple of years, solitary confinement and fed on pork and cheap beer, and I’m serious.

  4. Philis O'Shaughnessy says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 10:47 am

    To embrace islam is to embrace death. Islam as a nation hates christians. There is no peace in islam, they hate each other. You let the trojan horse into france.

  5. Agostino Armo Pellegrini says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 10:53 am

    I don’t have anything intelligent to say (I rarely do, lol), I just wanted to thank Hugh Fitzgerald for that well crafted commentary. He’s right, the French people don’t have to “stand together” with people who live for a subversive and violent creed like islam. Let Macron stand with the muslims, we who love freedom and equality will stand in solidarity against what they are defending. Islam’s doctrines are violent and bigoted, decent people of the world don’t have to feel obligated to “stand together” with that.

    • Agostino Armo Pellegrini says

      Nov 30, 2019 at 11:42 am

      French President Emmanuel Macron has warned against “stigmatising” Muslims

      Muslims “stigmatize” themselves by bowing to a bigoted and violent god. What kind of response do muslims think they’re going to get when thousands of their brethren are warring and terrorizing for that same god? What a warped psychology the left has about all this. Muslims live for a violent creed that threatens to subvert and destroy our peace and security, but we’re supposed to be concerned they might be stigmatized for it. Good f*cking grief. Muslims are the aggressors, but they’re always the victims. Please, someone call a doctor, the left is delirious and seriously in need of medical help.

  6. Shirley Ann says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Emmanuel Macron sounds just like President GW Bush After 9/11/2001. His first Speech alerted us, in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, that Muslims were NOT TO BE BLAMED & ISLAM WAS PEACE. We American Citizens Were Played as FOOLS.

    • Jay says

      Nov 30, 2019 at 11:32 am

      Shirley. Great post. And it was proven that Muslims and radical Islamic terrorists were responsible for the attack of 9/11. After 8 years of obama and the infiltration of Muslims throughout our government, and the growing population of Muslims in every state, the USA still
      faces a similar problem. Clinton brought in the Somalians in the 1990s and that started the insanity that is Ilhan Omar and the invasion of Minnesota. Michigan has cities like Dearborn and Hamtramck that resemble the middle east, complete with woman in full burkas!! And gave us
      Rashida Tlaib who was sworn in on the Koran – how is that even legal. ? Both Omar and Tlaib are currently under investigation for fraud! The USA must be on alert 24/7 for the enemy within!
      God bless America!
      Trump,2020 our only hope for survival 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

    • paul 316 says

      Nov 30, 2019 at 11:56 am

      SA, you are absolutely correct about American citizens being played for fools… it continues on today as we allow muslims to come to America from all over the world and demand that we recognize their way (sharia) as being acceptable and their resistance to assimilate to American culture/values is ok. With the numerous factual articles that are presented at JW, how can one continue to deny the link between islam and terror?

  7. Jay says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 11:17 am

    France is lost ! Macron is a traitor to all of France and the French law abiding citizens!! How was he ever elected ?? Immigration with no acclimation NEVER works! The Muslim invasion of Germany, England, Sweden, Norway, France, Greece, Italy etc etc causing chaos, crime and terrorism cannot be denied! And yet European leaders ignore it! Countries like Hungary and Poland have closed borders to protect their sovereignty and fight to protect their citizens. Macron is the poster child for bad leadership by not protecting French soverignity and French citizens! How many terror attacks will it take for Macron to wake up?? . And the fire at Notre Dame cathedral was no accident!
    God bless France and save it from the madness of Macron!

  8. Shirley Ann says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 11:45 am

    “Fatima” seems to be following the Antics of Somali’s Representative to the DEM/US HOUSE OF Representatives. After Election from a Muslim District in Minnesota, Ilhan Omar’s First Demand was for Muslim Females to wear the Head Rag, even though that had previously been forbidden. Omar WON, with the Aid of the Do-Nothing DEMS. This Abnormally, Short Female wears Rags so High, that she could carry a whole Arsenal inside the US Congress. Fatima would be quite comfy, following Ilhan Omar’s LEAD!

  9. Wellington says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    I know a lot of commenters here at JW as evidenced on numerous threads think that Western leaders like Macron, Trudeau and Merkel know exactly what they’re doing and that they are informed about Islam and know what Islam is really up to. So, I have a challenge for such well-intentioned individuals and it is this: How do you think such Western leaders would do on a quiz about Islam with such questions as 1) What does “muruna mean?; 2) What does the term “al-walaa wal baraa” mean?: 3) Can you name a single major school of Islamic theology, Sunni or Shiite?; 4) Who was Kinana?; 4) What is the difference between the terms “sura” and “sira?”; 5) What does the phrase, as found in the Koran, “what the right hand possesses” mean?; 6) What does the term “ayat” mean?; 7) What does the term “kitman” mean?; 8) Who was Aisha?; 9) What did Mohammed order done to men of the Qurayza tribe?; and 10) What does the term “hegira” mean?

    You see, I detect massive willful ignorance (itself unforgivable) on the part of a plethora of Western leaders (and former leaders like Bush 43) about the Islamic faith. The effect is essentially the same respecting the harm Muslim immigration has done to so many Western nations, whether someone like Marcon knows what Islam is about and doesn’t care or is just stupefyingly ignorant of Islam. But motive is important nonetheless because, depending on the motive, i.e., having real knowledge of Islam or being massively ignorant of it, the approach to dealing with this deuce difficult problem in our time, i.e., the current crop of Western leaders who keep making all kinds of excuses for Islam, can significantly vary.

    I’m with a person like Macron being willfully clueless and not malevolently knowledgeable. I think the kind of quiz I posed above, and whether it would be sincerely taken or insincerely taken both results would be telling, would determine to a great extent whether the West is faced with elites who are deliberately trying to destroy their nations or “just” ignorant doofuses who haven’t a clue. Responses to this challenge of mine is something I would welcome.

    • Frank Anderson says

      Nov 30, 2019 at 1:09 pm

      Wellington, I would never claim to compare with your expertise. But. in one of the few cases from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that has my full respect and appreciation, they wrote very directly, “Deliberate Ignorance Constitutes Knowledge of the Truth.” [emphasis added], Wyle v. R.J. Reynolds.

      Your questions might stump many like me. But those questions have little to do with the goals of islam, death, murder, slavery, abuse, conquest. Islam teaches everything contrary to the Constitution, and to civilization. It does not take decades of study to find out. The first book I read was Spencer’s Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam. That broke me from the “religion of peace” spell GWB put in my mind about 7 years earlier.

      But, if having all your questions answered is necessary to hold traitors responsible for treason, then you should know every listing and telephone number in the telephone book before making a call. Best wishes to you always. You know much more than I.

      • Wellington says

        Nov 30, 2019 at 4:18 pm

        Thanks for your reply, Frank. Well, I did mention that willful ignorance is also unforgivable (and also culpable under the law as you mentioned).

        My larger point was to politely refute all those who continue to maintain here at JW that many Western leaders in our time know exactly what Islam is about but things like globalism, money and power are what they are really interested in. I don’t deny for a moment that globalism, money and power are the concerns of way too many politicians in the West, but the contention that these same rubes really know what Islam is about, as contended by so many here at JW, is what I dispute.

        Being the lawyer that you are I know you will understand that I, a fellow lawyer, was doing what judges and the legal profession in general do all the time and that is addressing a particular narrow point rather than a more expansive one. Hope you and yours are doing well in a very unwell world.

        • Frank Anderson says

          Nov 30, 2019 at 4:47 pm

          Honored Wellington, always with greatest respect and friendship. I politely suggest that patience and courtesy extended to collaborators, regardless of their knowing or deliberately ignorant status is a waste and leads only to tolerance and inaction. We have to call “ENOUGH” with these Quislings who live to sell out Western Civilization to muslim savages. There is no excuse after 1400 years of islam, and 18 years since 9/11 for anyone in a national leadership role to NOT be held responsible for knowing the goals, purposes, practices and history of islam enough to be making decisions to protect that which is sworn to be protected when taking office. Any person who has the courage and insight to leave islam deserves all the respect and support of any hero-I have in mind several examples. But with all you know that I don’t claim to know, is there any such thing as “tolerant” islam that intends to co-exist permanently with non-believers? According to my reading, there is not. Have I missed something? Sincere best wishes to you.

      • Wellington says

        Nov 30, 2019 at 5:44 pm

        Ibn Warraq and Robert Spencer themselves said it best, Frank. The former asserted that while there are moderate Muslims there is no moderate Islam and the latter maintained that if you are a Muslim and a good person, then you must be a bad Muslim.

        Res ipsa loquitur.

        • Frank Anderson says

          Nov 30, 2019 at 6:01 pm

          W. in math isn’t the expression Q.E.D? The thing surely speaks for itself!

        • Wellington says

          Nov 30, 2019 at 7:57 pm

          Yes, Frank, QED would have been more appropriate indeed but, flimsy excuse as it is, I was drawn away because of the Alabama/Auburn game and so chose the Latin phrase that came first and foremost to my distracted mind.

          Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Si vales, valeo.

        • Frank Anderson says

          Nov 30, 2019 at 8:18 pm

          Anybody who enjoys the Iron Bowl is top of the line in my circle of friends. Doesn’t matter which side. Laugh with me please. My professional handicap is a lot of work in math, engineering and accounting, which at times makes me a pill.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 11, 2019 at 6:11 pm

          Good exchange, Wellington and Frank.

    • Save Europe says

      Dec 1, 2019 at 12:01 am

      I think that on SOME of your questions, they would know, unquestionably. All these leaders have advisers and have Security briefings constantly. Please don’t think they’re idiots. I also maintain – against the conspiracy theory that is out there – they want to destroy Europe etc. Btw – I know you did NOT say that.

      I maintain – yes, the likes of Macron, for example, already inherited the Muslim problem from his many predecessors.i also maintain he is a Leftist and wants to ‘placate for votes from ALL sides.’ He probably is also attempting to ‘spin plates’ because he doesn’t want a Civil War on his hands , under his watch.

      He’s also aware that both the Saudis and Qataris invest heavily in universities, museums, and building projects in Western countries. Plus ‘we’ foolishly buy their Oil and Gas and sell them weaponry for billions, and to secure jobs in our countries.

      Forgive me, I’m sure you are a good person, but I feel you miss the big picture. It’s not about knowing what the Dar Al Harb, Taqqiya, the Hijra are….it’s about looking at a bigger, horrible, picture.

      Peace to you 👍

      • Wellington says

        Dec 1, 2019 at 1:13 pm

        Save Europe: Thanks for your reply. Well, I’m not as sure as you are that such leaders or past leaders would know the answer to any of the ten questions that I posed. Talking to politicians here in America, as well as people in sundry other professions, I regularly encounter gross ignorance of Islam by these people. One of the questions I ask is, “Have you read any of the Koran.” The answer is invariably “No.” Another question I have asked is, “Approximately how many documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide have occurred since 9/11?” No one has come even remotely close to the almost 36,000 figure. I get answers like 300 or 500 or sometimes less than 100. And I am talking here about educated people in various professions. When I tell such people the real figure I usually get a look from them as though I had just said, “Men from Mars have landed.”

        As for missing the big picture, oh I think I see it all right and that is that mankind got a major religion which is rotten to the core and is a mortal enemy of Western Civilization and liberty. I’m just trying to figure out certain “details” like what will it take for the West to wake up and how much do national Western leaders really know about Mo’s creed? I don’t think even Trump, who has the right instincts about Islam, knows much about it and he’s way ahead of most other Western leaders on a variety of fronts. I do think, at the very least, one Western leader after another who makes excuses for Islam has a gnawing feeling way down inside that Islam is indeed rotten throughout but short term tactical thinking about things like energy, money and staying in power dominate their thoughts when long term strategic thinking should be paramount in these peoples’ minds.

        Thanks again for your reply and I concede you could be more correct about the issue at hand where we disagree than I am. Take care.

        • Save Europe says

          Dec 1, 2019 at 11:52 pm

          Hi W.

          Please let me start by saying, absolutely NO I’ll-will towards you EVER. I say that sincerely. I notice posters on the likes of Breitbart London, who are on the same page, agree on a majority of matters, and, yet start bickering. You haven’t with myself 👍

          I’d just say this – no superciliousness intended, quoting yourself / >>>>

          I do think, at the very least, one Western leader after another who makes excuses for Islam has a gnawing feeling way down inside that Islam is indeed rotten throughout but short term tactical thinking about things like energy, money and staying in power dominate their thoughts when long term strategic thinking should be paramount in these peoples’ minds<<<<

          I agree, totally, and that’s what I was also saying prior. These current leaders care not about the detritus they leave for future generations, after they pass away. They think in self-absorbed short-termism.

          It’s a disgrace, on their parts. Believe me, we are on the same page. All the best W 👍👍👍

    • Save Europe says

      Dec 1, 2019 at 12:08 am

      P.S – I DO hate the likes – past and present of Blair, Brown, Cameron, May, Sarkozy, Hollande, Macron, Merkel, Rutte, Renzi etc

      They ARE opportunistic scum who are in bed with the Saudis etc for a plethora of reasons, but they are also as scared as hell of upsetting so many Muslims in their countries, who would inevitably start violence if challenged.

      Cowardice? Yes.
      Treacherous? Yes.
      Scared understandably, but unacceptable? Yes.

  10. Donovan Nuera says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 1:13 pm

    So, Macron….. any new leads on what caused the accidental fire at Europe’s most popular tourist attraction and France’s most important cathedral??? What are donations up to now (real, not pledged)…and are Americans still the biggest donor group?? Any funding yet for the future lead-poisoning-induced health concerns of 600,000 Parisians who were downwind of the plumbum plume?

  11. Ric says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 1:35 pm

    Immanuel Macron does not want Muslims stigmatized. This faux-Religion, in which the base tenets are hatred for all who are not believers, especially Jews, or Israelis, has brought the stigmatization upon themselves. Islam is a cult of a barbarous, nihilistic ethos in which the sanctification of murder en masse of non-believers is resolute.

    Macron, his acolytes, and EU counterparts are culpable for every innocent citizen slaughtered or maimed by this pseudo-religion.

    It is not Muslims who face stigmatization; it is, we, the non-Muslims.

  12. mortimer says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Macron believes TERRORISM is not normative Islam? Well, it is:

    Important Islamic Quotes that Authorize Terrorism:

    Koran 009.5: Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them (for slavery), beleaguer them (by terrorism), and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (entrap them by crafty ruse).
    Koran 008.60 : Terrorize them.

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them). Sahih Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220

    Narrated Ibn ‘Umar that the Prophet (SA) said, “My livelihood is under the shade of my spear,(1) and he who disobeys my orders will be humiliated by paying Jizya” Bukhari, Vol.IV, (Chapter 88)

    Genocide is authorized in the context of jihad:

    “When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then (it is) We destroy them utterly.” Quran 17:16

    Authorized Islamic Death Threat:

    “Submit to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don’t, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life.” —Caliph Abu Bakr, Mohammed’s Successor

    • Greg Miller says

      Nov 30, 2019 at 1:50 pm

      The difference between a radical Muslim and a moderate one is, Radicals want to kill all non-believers and the moderates want them to.

  13. mortimer says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 1:59 pm

    Macron does not wish us to believe that JIHAD is the HIGHEST DEED in Islam … but it is. And jihad is primarily against JEWS and CHRISTIANS … read the facts …

    The Prophet said, “The head of its matter is Islam and its pillar is the Salah and its highest peak is the Jihad.” – Sunan At-Tirmidhi 2616

    The prophet said, “Shall I not inform you of the head of the matter, as well as its pillar and the apex of its hump? … The head of the matter is Islam.” He compared the matter to a male camel and made Islam the head of this matter since no animal can live without its head. Then he said, “Its pillar is salat.” The pillar of something is what keeps it upright and no matter can be kept upright or steady without a pillar. Then he said, “The apex of its hump is jihad.” The apex of anything is its highest point and the highest point of a camel’s hump is the tip of its hump. Of all deeds, there is nothing that rivals jihad in importance. Abu Hurayrah reported that a man came to Allah’s messenger, and said, “Tell me something equivalent to jihad?” He replied, “I cannot find any.” Then the prophet said, “When Muslims embark on jihad, can you go to the mosque and pray without stopping and fast continuously?” The man replied, “Who can ever do that?”
    – Ibn-Daqiq’s Commentary on the Nawawi Forty Hadiths

    JIHAD IS CONDUCTED *PRIMARILY* AGAINST *JEWS* and *CHRISTIANS* … (Koran)

    “Fight against such of those who have been given the SCRIPTURE (Jews and Christians) as believe not in Allah nor the last day, and forbid not that which Allah hath-forbidden by his messenger, and follow not the Deen of truth, until they pay the Jizya readily, being brought low” [TMQ At-Taubah: 29].

  14. Battle says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 4:19 pm

    The woman is wearing her Islam Moslem gang clothing.

  15. Battle says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    The woman should be asked if non-Moslems are inferior?

    The woman should be asked if jews are apes and pigs?

  16. Save Europe says

    Nov 30, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    Yet another politician ‘spinning plates’ and attempting to stop civil wars in Western countries caused by Muslims being imported into all our countries.

  17. Marigold says

    Dec 1, 2019 at 3:23 am

    I saw a family of Muslims the other day.Among them was a little girl of about eight.The temperature was 35c but while the three little boys and the father were keeping nice and cool in their short sleeved t shirts the little girl and her mother were encumbered with the full length Islamic garb covering head,arms and legs. If the woman is stupid enough to wear it let her but the little girl obviously had no choice.Macron can say what he likes about not understanding Islam but I call forcing little girls to cover up while their brothers run free is discrimination and a form of child abuse in my opinion.

  18. Giacomo Latta says

    Dec 1, 2019 at 9:01 am

    Well, I wouldn’t want politicians to be stigmatized as completely brainless A-holes who choose the part of the political spectrum that pleases them the most then grab at straws to build a case for their point-of-view. But there you go!

  19. Angemon says

    Dec 1, 2019 at 11:42 am

    French President Emmanuel Macron has warned against “stigmatising” Muslims

    Oh, but there’s something to be won by being “stigmatized”. Muslim “civil rights” groups – i.e., lobbyists for islamic supremacy – want muslims to be “stigmatized” so they can claim victimhood and demand special rules for them. Criticism of islam? “Help, help, we’re being oppressed – please, passa law stating that you can’t say mean things about islam”.

    or linking the Islamic religion with the fight against terrorism.

    Oh, there’s certainly no connection between islam and the fight against terrorism. With terrorism itself, well, that’s an entirely different matter…

    France has about five million Muslims.

    It is the largest Muslim minority in Western Europe.

    And, if I’m not mistaken, the highest number of islamic terror attacks, going back to the late 80’s/early 90’s. Coincidence?…

  20. OLD GUY says

    Dec 1, 2019 at 1:04 pm

    He may not want muslims to be stigmatized, they are managing to do so quite well on their own.

  21. jca reid says

    Dec 2, 2019 at 7:23 am

    This idiot is a complete clown, FFS! something like 800 “No-Go” Areas in France. A non-Muslim inadvertently walking into one of these areas, will be attacked & even made to ‘disappear’. Muslims/Islam stigmatises themselves & itself, simply by having the most perverted ideology imaginable. THEY & IT HATES absolutely EVERYTHING that is not Islamic!! A simple plain FACT!

  22. gravenimage says

    Dec 11, 2019 at 1:10 am

    Emmanuel Macron Doesn’t Want Muslims to be “Stigmatized”
    …………………

    We wouldn’t want Nazis to be “stigmatized”, either…

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