This must be some mistake. Macron, like virtually every other Western leader except for President Trump, is smugly certain that Islam and jihad have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism. Could France be breaking ranks and actually beginning to deal realistically with the problem of jihad? It’s more likely that this was just an oversight that will soon be corrected amid a cascade of charges of “Islamophobia.”
“Jihad War: 13 French Soldiers Killed in Mali,” by Samed Olukoya, InvestorsKing, November 26, 2019:
The French presidency on Tuesday announced the death of thirteen french soldiers fighting jihadists in Mali.
According to the statement, the thirteen soldiers were killed in an accident between two helicopters, the president office described it as a single biggest loss since intervening in the region in 2013.
“The president announces with deep sadness the death of 13 French troops in Mali on the evening of Nov. 25, in an accident between their two helicopters during a combat mission against jihadists,” the statement from the president’s office said….
“They were supporting commandos from the Barkhane force who were engaged with armed terrorists,” the ministry said in a statement.
Wellington says
Slowly it’s sinking in, even with anti-Churchills, anti-Quincy Adams (Macron for instance), that Islam sucks.
These silly people (Macron, Merkel, Pope Francis, here in America virtually every Democrat and way too many Republicans, Trudeau of course in Canada, et al.) just cannot wrap their deficient brain around the reality that nowhere is it written that a religion must be good.
Islam certainly is not and other examples out there have existed over the centuries, for instance the Aztec religion that required human sacrifice and whose priests wore capes made out of human skin, Satanism of course and still stupidly lurking around with a bunch of losers, Shintoism in Japan which risibly (but immensely destructively) put forward the ludicrous assertion that the Japanese were the only divine race and that the Japanese Emperor was a deity), the Carthaginian religion which also required human sacrifice to their non-existent gods (ditto here for “Allah” btw respecting an immense fiction), etc.
Yep, mankind can produce, has produced, religions which are antithetical to any truly humane, sapiently ethical assessment of the human condition. I put Islam in “first place” here considering its longevity and its many destructive influences on the mind, spirit and body of the species, Homo sapiens.
N.B., Macron will get nothing of this. Or maybe he’s starting to a little. But I wax optimistic here and arguably I am giving Macon, no De Gaulle to be sure, too much credit. Hope I’m not—for France’s sake, for freedom’s sake, for all the West’s sake.
gravenimage says
I *hope* so, Wellington.
mortimer says
Well phrased by Wellington: “nowhere is it written that a religion must be good.”
Indeed! Islam contains the vicious and malignant teaching of ISLAMIC APARTHEID (which few Western people even know about … let alone studying and mastering it!)
Anyone who does not master AL WALAA WAL BARAA (comradeship and ‘cleansing’) is not capable of understanding the INNER LOGIC of the Muslim brain.
Muslims think that HATING KAFIRS is the most NATURAL thing there is. To HATE the FILTHY KUFAAR is the decree of Allah.
-Imam Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed (Islamic faith) and act upon it, and yet not be HOSTILE against the mushrikeen (i.e. wrong worshippers). So anyone who isn’t HOSTILE against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]
-“The doctrine of al Walaa wal Baraa is the REAL IMAGE for the actual practice of this faith.” – source “Al Walaa wal Baraa According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf”, by Sheikh Muhammad Saeed al Qatani, authoritative Saudi Sharia lawyer and imam at the Abu Bakr and Al Furqan Mosques in Mecca.
My devout wish is that all Westerners learn Al Walaa wal Baraa if they learn NOTHING ELSE about Islam:
http://westindanger.com/wb/walaa-baraa.html
mortimer says
The rhetoric of the Leftards is beginning to be nudged towards the REALITY that ‘ISLAM HATES US’ … as candidate Donald Trump confessed to the consternation of Leftards before his election.
Trumps words were profoundly observant, even if (as I suspect) he has not seriously studied Islam as many have here at JW.
Macron’s words are meaningful and I believe that the knowledge of JIHADISM is becoming common knowledge in France where ALL the police reserves have been called up to active duty.
Rufolino says
It looks to me as if the department (or person) who handles the French President’s public statements, has let the cat out of the bag by accident !
It seems the statement reflects what at least SOME people in the President’s entourage, or his speech-writers, really DO think about Islam, despite Presidential policy.
By some ridiculous oversight it actually got published, uncorrected.
One imagines that Macron is absolutely furious.
LB says
Your whole argument is based on the assumption that the aforementioned are just poor clueless well-meaning saps who have just now kind of, maybe, possibly, beginning to see islam for what it really is. You’re giving them too much credit. They are globalists, but not just any globalists, they are also in OIC’s pocket. And I assure you they know full well what islam is and what’s its purpose. But they don’t care. They only care about one thing and one thing only: MONEY. That is their god. The people who are getting killed, beaten and raped on a daily basis? Who cares! It won’t happen to them because they are safe behind their ivory castles with armed guards.
The only reason any of them appear to be concerned about islam and muslims is to sway public opinion in their favor. Merkel is a good example of this. Every time before the elections, she promises to “toughen up” on immigration and increase deportation, only to do absolutely nothing once she wins. And don’t even get me started on Dope Francis. He knows he will reign supreme until he dies and there’s nothing anyone can do about it, so he pushes the same marxist globalist agenda even harder than any leftist politician.
Face it, these people are pure evil, corrupted to the core and know EXACTLY what they’re doing. I haven’t even mention the Kalergi plan which wants to replace (and outright extinct) ethnic European (that is to say, white) people. I used to think that was some silly neo-Nazi conspiracy, but it proves to be more true as time passes.
Wellington says
Yes, my entire argument is based on the assumption you mentioned, but I hope you realize that your argument is based on an assumption too.
LB says
It is. But after years spent reading numerous alt media sites like JW and its comments, I came to the only logical conclusion written above. Like you, I too used to believe that Western politicians are unintentionally dooming us due to their ignorance and naive desire to do good. Also, my (short but eventful) life experience taught me that people rarely ever do something that is not for their own benefit. That is multiplied by a factor of 1000 (at least) when those people are politicians.
Wellington says
Well, LB, we’ll have to agree to disagree. If you look at my 12:11 P.M. post from yesterday and which is directed to J D S, it is about direct experience with politicians I have spoken to and who know zilch about Islam. Yes, avarice, as you point out, is a keen motivator in human affairs but so is stark ignorance. Of course, the two are sometimes combined as well.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington.
J D S says
There should be no problem with western leaders understanding the”islamic plan”……The Islamic plan can be found in the pages oh the koran and Haiti’s. ….Maybe the leaders can’t read or maybe they are afraid…..or .maybe they are just plain DUMB and ill leave president Trump out of these “msaybe’s .
Wellington says
J D S: I have spoken to politicians in New Hampshire and Pennsylvania, one of whom I like very much and is a Republican, and NOT ONE of them have opened a Koran, know the difference between “sira” and “sura,” know what “kitman” and “muruna” mean, not even what the hadiths are or who Aisha was. In short, they know next to nothing about Islam (this stupefying willful ignorance has occurred with several friends too and who are not politicians).
At first this stunned me, even made me angry somewhat, but now I just feel kind of numb about this. Understand, I will never give up trying to convey to others how nefarious Islam truly is, but the apathy about what Islam teaches is pervasive, to put it mildly, though I have had some successes over the years conveying to some people what Islam intends for us all. And I am certain that more people know today how menacing Islam is to liberty who did not twenty or even ten years ago. Still a long, long way to go though.
Geof Barrington says
Wellington …I find you half right but in reality globalist leaders like Macron Trudeau and Merkel are pushing islam . They are not innocent of the nature of islam but are using islam , debt , gender issues and other tools to break down and weaken their countries .
They are fully aware of islam s nature ..not unaware as you suggest
Wellington says
What, Geof, is your proof that such deficient human beings are, per your words, “fully aware of islam s {sic} nature?” And why would someone like Macron deliberately, rather than ignorantly, weaken his country?
Would be most interested in such “proof” since I think what you provided is not proof but mere speculation, which may be correct (to be perfectly candid I think it is not but I admit for theory’s sake it could be). Have any proof?
If so, would be most grateful if you conveyed it to me and others (proof, mind you, and not speculation or assumption). In the meantime, I ascribe massive willful ignorance (itself inexcusable) to people like Macron and not actual desire to “weaken their countries.”
Your turn. Give it a shot.
Save Europe says
Hi W.
I agree with so many of your posts, but not on this. Why so?
Yes, indeed Macron (whom I do despise, inherited a legacy post both Sarkozy and Hollande).
Why do I disagree, respectfully? They’re spinning ‘plates’ and attempting to appease – from the U.K., to France, to Germany, to Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands etc. They know Muslims are aggressive. Don’t ever think these leaders are ill-briefed or stupid. They’re opportunists.
Deep down, every Western leader – past and present – in very modern times DOES know the future problem. They DO. I’m a Limey, but even Trump, after the Saudi hit on the Saudi journalist in Turkey, admitted he wasn’t going to risk arms jobs in the USA and weapons sales to Saudi. I like Trump both genuinely and tremendously, but he said nothing against Saudi Arabia.
Follow the money trail. They own around 6 percent of American debt.
This terrible relationship between the West and the Saudis/Qataris especially needs to END.
Wellington says
Thanks for your reply, Save Europe. Actually, we may be closer on this matter than on first appearance. I certainly don’t deny money (and power) can sway a lot of people to engage in error and facilitate iniquity, but do you really think Western leaders like Macron, Merkel, and past PMs in your country like May, Cameron, Brown and Blair, know many, many details of Islam, examples of which I mentioned in my 12:11 P.M. post from yesterday to J D S?
I see a stupid kind of wishful thinking by the elites that Islam can reform, that it really isn’t all that bad, that every religion produces violent fanatics, and so on. But, to confirm a point of yours, I also think that way down inside these same deficient elites have a nagging feeling that Islam really is awful and they’re hoping against hope that they’re wrong. I also agree with you that America and the West need to lessen any reliance upon not only the Saudis and Qataris but indeed the entire Islamic world to as bare a minimum as possible. In effect, the old containment doctrine from the Cold War as first implemented by the Truman Administration (and with some help from Attlee and Bevin when they were in power at roughly the same time) against Communism should now be applied to the Islamic countries of the world. This would include no more Muslim immigration to Western nations just as Communists from the Eastern Bloc were not allowed to immigrate to the West.
With respect I write this and I hope you and yours are doing well. Right now, sad to say, your nation is not and I take no delight in conveying this to you. A strong, independent UK with its act together is a boon not only to my country, America, but to the world at large. Take care.
Kirsch says
Did Islam also have nothing to do with this black clad figure, firing incendiary devices on the Cathedral spire scaffolding, 50 minutes before the flames started rising from the same spot?
See for yourself this unedited hard to come by Footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH44LuCAcR8
Kirsch says
.. you saw where he was lighting those devices.. now a few minutes later as the fire takes hold.. look where it is rising from… exactly under where he was on the scaffolding..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsnkjfgRuX8
They announced as the fire was blazing on MSM that it was an electrical fault in the renovation area… yet the head of the esteemed and experienced restoration team said that is was impossible for a fire like this to take hold.. look…think… you are all being hoodwinked..but you already knew that.
gravenimage says
Kirsch, this figure is *a firefighter*. The claim that this was an arsonist has been debunked many times:
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/apr/16/facebook-posts/no-there-was-not-lone-man-dressed-muslim-garb-walk/
Muslims regularly do enough horrible things–there is no reason to latch onto unfounded conspiracy theories.
Michael Copeland says
That Is a different clip, of a figure walking in the tower.
Kirsch says
Correct, gravenmage is wrong. The footage she is referring to is yes a fireman at the front tower,.This is a man wearing black 50 mins before the fire took hold at this very spot on the Spire scaffolding.
Kirsch says
They are referring to a different clip, at the front of the church, not this one.
gravenimage says
I still cannot find anything official about any clip claiming that this was a Muslim setting the Cathedral on fire. Links?
AP says
No proof needed! Look at all of the vandalism done to Churches through Europe. No proof needed.
Kirsch says
You’re talking about another video,at the front tower. This is the video that disappeared everywhere off the net,and can’t be direct searched on YouTube, where this figure dressed in black lights two devices directly above where the fire began just minutes later at the Spire scaffolding area. Please watch carefully body videos I posted.
Debra says
TY for posting. I read constantly and yet still had not seen this. Must’ve been held very close to the vest. Very disturbing video and an incredibly painful event.
Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known (Luke 22:2)
Kirsch says
This video was circulating for a couple of days after the fire, I downloaded it cuz I knew it would get removed. Other videos of this can’t be directly searched for on YouTube.
They showed on the media however the video of a firefighter on the front tower to direct away from the real arsonist, dressed in black on the spire scaffolding directly above where the fire actually started.
gravenimage says
Mali: 13 French soldiers killed in accident, French president’s office refers to their foes as “jihadists”
……………………..
Did Macron finally get something right?
My thoughts and prayers are with the French soldiers and their families. Even though this was an accident, these brave service people would not have been in Mali if it were not for the Jihad there.
jca reid says
Patronising platitudes from a self-promoting Muppet! This was an Air Accident. Strange now though Macron is calling Muslims ‘Jihadists’. ALL Muslims follow the Koran. It is their Law Book & Rule Book. Throughout its pages it calls for the slaughter, rape & enslavement of non-Muslims. That is a Fact & cannot be denied. The Imams, of course, dress it all up as saying it is a ‘spiritual’ Book. The non-Muslim Apologists are simply the worst. Time for Macron & Co to be removed from Public Office, or simply removed all together.
AP says
Its a book of War and Conquest!
No Muzzies Here says
That’s good, Monsieur Macron, but you need to admit that France has a real big problem, with a capital “M”.
tim gallagher says
I think Macron will always be pretty soft on Islam. But, then again, many people are and I guess he represents them. I know that photo has been often shown here at Jihad Watch, but I wanted to comment on the photo. Would anyone actually be impressed by it? I suppose it is Macron posing as a tough guy. What’s with the star behind him? A very odd photo. I guess it’s trying to make Macron look heroic or something like that. I find it very unconvincing, but I guess some people might have been impressed by this pose by Macron as the strong leader.