I don’t approve of the burning of any book, particularly the Qur’an. I believe that the Qur’an should be read carefully, and reread, and thoroughly understood. But the whole world seems to have forgotten that acquiescing to violent intimidation and bullying will only encourage more violent intimidation and bullying. Only by standing up to the bully can he be compelled to stand down. And so Norway, and the rest of the West, will see quite a bit more jihad violence. Why? Because actions of this kind show jihadis that it works.
An update on this story. “Norwegian Police Ordered to Stop Quran Burnings out of ‘Concern’ Over Retaliation Attacks,” Sputnik, November 21, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A new interpretation of the hate speech law, partly grounded in the fear of revenge, means that the police shall intervene against the violation of religious symbols, such as the Quran.
A recent instance of Quran burning by Stop Islamisation of Norway (SIAN) in the city of Kristiansand, which some called Norway’s first, has set off a passionate debate on the acceptance of such actions and the perceived collision between the freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
As the police ultimately intervened to stop SIAN’s demonstration amid a brawl between activists and their opponents, they were acting on a new explicit order from Police Director Benedicte Bjørnland, Norwegian broadcaster NRK reported.
“The violation of the Quran could, in a given context, be a violation of Criminal Code section on hate speech”, Bjørnland said, as quoted by the broadcaster.
Bjørnland said that instances of setting fire to all religious symbols must be handled equally and correctly.
“The message is ‘if you still do it, we will stop it’”, Bjørnland said, admitting that the assessment of whether to intervene in the freedom of expression and assembly is a difficult issue. “Everyone should speak up as long as they do not violate laws, in this case the Criminal Code. We are not an opinion police, but we have guidance, and when we see violations of the given guidelines, we intervene”.
An important reason for the new interpretation is a threat assessment from the Police Security Service (PST) that public Quran burnings could lead to serious revenge attacks against Norway.
“It is true that in recent months PST has been concerned about the consequences a Quran burning can have. We see it as a trigger event for violent actions, and have provided a description of the situation to the police”, PST senior adviser Martin Bernsen said, as quoted by NRK.
However, the police order is not solely aimed at anti-Islamic provocations, but deals with all kinds of religious symbols being desecrated….
Kristiansand Mayor Harald Furre, who was present during SIAN’s demonstration, condemned the actions.
“I wish the police had intervened earlier and prevented the ignition”, Furre said….
CogitoErgoSum says
So put an exorbitant tax on every new copy sold. Make it too expensive to own one.
FYI says
Here is a strategy..
1}Look at allah’s Criterion of the koran’s perfection..
“Will they not then ponder on the quran?If it had been from other than allah they would have found found therein much incongruity”
koran 4 v 82
In other words,ANY errors{even one} would show that the koran is IMPERFECT and in its imperfection,it cannot come from God{or “allah” since allah is claiming to be God and thus PERFECT}
NO ERRORS found implies the koran is PERFECT{and allah’s word is perfect}
ERRORS found implies the koran is IMPERFECT{and allah’s word is imperfect}
2}Look honestly,critically and objectively at the koran{IGNORE the islamic scholars,dawa liars,the “koran’s arabic is too advanced to understand” nonsense}
Are there ERRORS in the koran?
OH YES!!
{as ex-muslim “apostates” have correctly discovered}
Scientific mistakes in the koran{see You Tube}
Illogicalities{eg Jews don’t believe in any “Ezra is the son of allah” k9:30,Jesus did not have the Gospel etc k5:46 and of course “Abraham was not a Jew” k3:67 etc}
3}Given these MULTIPLE ERRORS it can be said of the koran that it has “therein much incongruity” which means that by allah’s OWN CRITERION of k4:82 it cannot come from God{who is PERFECT} but in its IMPERFECTIONS comes from “other than allah”
Who is the god of islam?allah the BEST OF DECEIVERS k3:54
It’s like a little luciferian joke behind the koran…
The koran is NOT WORTH the paper it is written on:it is clearly bogus.
The “perfect” koran is not perfect.
FYI says
And i don’t agree with burning books:atheists,Jews,Christians etc should read the koran
muslims especially should read the koran ,with a critical eye..
Why does the koran teach the OPPOSITE to the Exodus 20 commandments of God,giving permission to murder k2:191,Steal k48:20 etc:that defeats the whole purpose of the Commandments given to Moses?
Why is there no “Love thy neighbor” in islam when it a clear Chief Commandment of God(2nd} in Lev 19:18?
How can the koran be “perfect”when it has errors{scientific,theological,logical} in it?
Why is allah’s greatest enemy a MAN ,a man called MALIK AL AMLAK
{“king of kings” sahih muslim vol 5 hadith #5611}?
If allah does not permit final penitence k4:18,how can allah be merciful?
islamic scholars have a vested interested in NOT telling you these things:they hide behind the Arabic nonsense.
muslims should read the koran..on their own.
somehistory says
If one compares the teachings and commands of islam and the actions of moslims to what the Bible says, and what Christians…when acting rightly, do… it is quite possible to see and discern the ‘source’ of each of the books.
I spoke at length with a man once in a hospital waiting room. His wife was having a baby and I was there to take a neighbor and her newborn home. We wound up talking about the Bible. He said, “I read the Bible backward.” And then, laughing, said, “Not from Revelation to Genesis, but backward. What the Bible says to do, I do the opposite.”
I asked him why and he said, “I’m a warlock. I worship satan the devil.”
moslims worship this same demon and they do the opposite of what the Bible says do and teach as the “right” of things and what the Bible says is wrong and that are lies.
That is why they do not keep the Commandments of God, our Creator, but do the opposite.
CogitoErgoSum says
But still, don’t you think every printed copy should be as nearly as perfect as can be? Laws should be passed that only special, fireproof paper can be used in printing a Koran and that the ink used should be formulated using pure gold along with each page being lined with gold. Any other method of printing the Koran should be illegal and there should be severe fines for just using a home printer to make one. Just having one page printed using regular ink and paper should be a criminal offense. Of course, people would still be allowed to view a copy on the internet but all other methods of duplicating the Koran should be done according to very strict and strongly enforced specifications. That way the Muslims would know just how much we value the Koran. How could they be upset with that?
Peter35 says
“….not worth the paper it is written on; it is clearly bogus”
Oh indubitably; to my knowledge gods do not write, mo couldn’t, so the ‘holy’ koran was written by…..imams, who actually are the ‘religion of pieces’.
Leslie Fish says
burning Korans is a pointless exercise. Burn madrassas instead.
gravenimage says
I want the Qur’an to be read by Infidels, CogitoErgoSum. If there were such a tax put on this book, I would run off copies in my studio.
Westman says
Don’t waste your time Norway PST; violence disposed Muslims don’t need an excuse because they have one of hatred for the unbelievers and Jews, all conveniently provided by Muhammad in his Quran. Try reading one to erase your ignorance, and have a rude awakening.
David Anderson says
Weelll…yeah, but I have a few spare copies…
Blurb1000 says
Norway, my country (before) are now a sharia compliant state (before it was a country)
It will end up as dirt and gravel.
Norger says
The only reason why offending Islamic religious sensibilities is treated differently than offending Christian, Jewish, Hindu etc. religious sensibilities is because the authorities know that when Islamic sensibilities are offended (in contrast to other religious groups) one can reasonably expect that some subset of Muslims will act out violently. The authorities in Norway are submitting to the omnipresent threat of violence that surrounds Islam, wherever it goes.
mortimer says
“The right to blaspheme religion is one of the most elemental exercises of political liberalism. One cannot defend the right without defending the practice.” – Jonathan Chait, Daily Intelligencer, January 7, 2015
A blasphemous act must occur from time to time in order to maintain the right to blaspheme.
Otherwise the politicians and population will assume that unpopular speech may be easily silenced for the sole reason that it is unpopular.
This is such a case where ‘POPULAR ASSUMPTIONS’ are used to suppress freedom of expression.
mortimer says
This is a perfect example of the HECKLER’S VETO, defined here: “A heckler’s veto is an IMPERMISSIBLE content-based RESTRICTION on speech where the speech is prohibited due to an ANTICIPATED DISORDERLY or VIOLENT reaction of the audience.” – Justice Dolores Sloviter
In other words, the ‘heckler’s veto’ is nothing but VIGILANTE LAW or the LAW imposed by a MOB.
No group attempting to administer a self-made law, which vetoes the freedom of expression of others, should be tolerated.
The heckler’s veto is a crime against the majesty of the law which is the supreme, dominant authority controlling the conduct of everyone, however exalted or high his power. The heckler’s veto is an attempt to overthrow free speech which is the law of the land, and in its place to set up mob law, lynch law, and to substitute lawlessness for the law enforcement which obtains in civilized countries.
Norger says
Hear, hear. And the politically correct crowd says we must “respect” Islam by submitting in the face of the threat. Never!
Keys says
+1
Gork says
And in the not too distant future: banning outdoor BBQ, Ham sandwiches in schools, and any self respect for non-Muslims.
Anita says
Peacefuls from ‘The Religion of Peace’ will take revenge if we burn their holy books. I’m going to have to google the origin of that phrase, “Religion of Peace”. Something doesn’t make sense.
Infidel says
I think it arises from the myth that ‘Islam’ means ‘peace’ (even though it actually means ‘submission’)
They will rage as long as they feel strong. While I’m no fan of China, the way Beijing has handled the Uyghurs is a study in how it’s to be done. Note that the Uyghurs don’t dare protest, riot or say a word despite Beijing doing everything from banning beards to forcing them to have pork to editing the Quran to endorse Maoism. While I’m not for totalitarian societies, there is something to be said for handling Islam – and Muslims – that way
Carol the 1st says
In Eastern thought if one just ‘ACTS’ right, then they have a far better chance of beginning to see and appreciate WHAT is right and WHY it is right.
Hopefully for mankind this method will turn out to be more effective than anything tried thus far.
P. Douglas says
In an attempt to try to comprehend Islam, our mens bible study group spent 3 months studying the Koran.
This book literally drips with evil. At the finish of our study the entire class voted unanimously to BURN THEM UP!
Which we did at our next meeting!
The biggest lie muslims spew today?
“But we worship the same god!”
That statement is pure (expletive deleted).
The second big lie?
“We are one of the three Abrahamic religions!”
Also pure (expletive deleted). Abraham DID NOT FOUND THREE RELIGIONS! Moses founded Judaism and Jesus founded Christianity!
(I’m sure we all know who “founded” islam!
Save Europe says
Agreed.
PRCS says
Do Muslims Worship the Same God as Christians and Jews?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG0h5cR_HnA
Infidel says
Also, given how Islam distorts the entire story of Abraham, it’s a fraud to call it an ‘Abrahamic’ religion. Had it been founded today, as opposed to 1400 years ago, it would have been called a ‘cult’. Not cult as classically used to denote a small faith, but a cult in the same sense as Branch Davidian, Jonestown, Aum Shinoku and Heavensgate.
somehistory says
U.S. Border Patrol agents have found many copies of that vile and filthy book lying in the dirt, along with rugs to prey on, where they were thrown down and left to be rained on, burned by the sun…which if hot enough for long enough on paper, can start a fire..torn by weather and animals.
The book is not sacred…even to moslims. It is a tool, something they can claim to revere and that others must respect with deep and abiding reverence…which it does not deserve…or else they will riot, beat people, kill people, etc.
Will there be a test case of someone burning a Bible or throwing a Bible in the trash or ripping it up? If this happens, will the police there really act to arrest the perps?
Carol the 1st says
Interesting, and they seem quite manipulative enough to consciously design such a ‘virtuous’ trap:
We’ve designed a feel-good brew
And we call it ‘What’s Best for You’
If you are so evil as to to protest
There will be punishment at our behest.
So Peace be Upon You for now.
Rob says
After deliberately and knowingly importing these practices you are stuck with them.
As the late Bernard Lewis said: ‘In the face of Islam the West can be counted on for a pre-emptive cringe’.
duh swami says
“The Quran is a dark and evil fairy tale whispered into the ear of a psychotic Arab by an incoherent ‘. angel named Gabriel…It all went downhill from there….
Scott Carlson says
Oh but it’s okay for them to burn the holy bible, chant “Death to America” rape our children and women, kill millions of non-Muslims, burn the United States flag and we’re supposed to be okay with that even though they do it on a regular basis in servers countries around the world.
It’s time to stop playing Mr. Nice guy because these people clearly have no shame and will only use our moral righteousness against us to gain sympathy and power while they are morally incompetent themselves.
How do you treat a sociopath that has no empathy? This is the way we need to respond to them otherwise we are doomed for failure.
Battle says
SIAN can claim Islam steal bibles from Christians. The bibles are never returned.
Don’t cities ban yard fies?
Now the SIAM leader could be charged with open burning.
No longer allowed to burn will SIAN stab or monster car run over.
Then SIAN can claim learned to stab and run over from Islam terrorists as ISIS terrorists.
Angemon says
The difference between that and reading it is only how fast they start…
Anjuli Pandavar says
I would like to make two points:
1. Norway has just signed its own death warrant. Looked at from the Muslim point of view, the Norwegian Police have just given them the green light to commit violence over absolutely anything they want, and handed them the power to dictate every action and behaviour in the society on pain of violence. How absolutely stupid this is. Do we never learn to look at the world through other people’s eyes?
2. I disagree with the burning of books. Books are to be read, and the Qur’an in particular, is to be carefully studied. However…
I see the mocking of Islam, the drawing of Muhammad and the burning of the Qur’an as actions that are necessary to erode Muslim supremacism, to drag them kicking and screaming into the modern world. Of these three actions, the burning of the Qur’an is by far the most important. Islam is to be mocked not because it is a religion, but because of its stranglehold on the Muslim mind. Muhammad is to be drawn not because he was a singularly reprehensible figure, but because of his stranglehold on the Muslim mind. Likewise, the Qur’an, which arguably has the strongest grip of all three — it is perfect and has never been altered in any way and is the direct Word of Allah and is as uncreated as Allah himself, etc., etc. – requires open, widespread and drastic violation for its hold to be broken. To burn the Qur’an, draw Muhammad and mock Islam are *not* about the Qur’an, Muhammad or Islam. It is about Muslims’ otherwise unshakeable belief that they are special, superior, above the rest of us, “the very best of peoples,” as their Qur’an informs them.
To each of these actions there are, of course, the alternatives of persuasion, moral appeal and rational argument. But Muslims were never persuaded to their supremacy, or nurtured in ethics or won over by reason and evidence. They were indoctrinated and intimidated in early childhood before their minds could develop the faculties for persuasion, ethics and reason. Only those who *already* doubt Islam are amenable to the latter. The rest see the mocking, the drawing and the burning and feel deeply hurt by what they see, BUT, *the spell is broken*, and so, too, are they. They go quiet. They’ve got nothing to say. Their mantras have lost all meaning. The worst their “10 000 jihadis” can do is kill, except that they’ve been doing that for as long as there have been jihadis, and for the simplest “offences” or the mere suspicion of possible future “offences”. When those who love life show no fear of those who do not fear death, then what’s left? They sigh, look forlorn, dejected, grow bags under the eyes, stoop, become listless, lose their bearings, they become sails bereft of wind, drifting in the doldrums…
In short, even though they are not yet in the modern world, they are no longer of any use to Islam. When the towel comes down the row, they will now drop in a penny with a heavy hand, whereas before, they lightly flicked in a pound. They’ll plod their way to Jumu’ah and skip their way from it. They’ll do the greeting, shake the hand, grab the thumb, touch the heart, but their heart will no longer be in it. They’ll do the smiles and the insha-Allahs, but they’ll be empty shells. And then, slowly, but surely, they will begin to see what they’ve been unable to see all their lives. It is possible that such people will never know that they’d apostatised, and it doesn’t matter. They’ve become estranged from Islam, and that does matter. It matters a lot.
So when I don’t come out against the burning of the Qur’an, it in no way implies a disrespect for books or for learning. Quite the contrary. Just a few days ago, I had the greatest honour of my life. I was invited into Albert Einstein’s library in Jerusalem. There, surrounded by the great man’s books, I wept, the gravity of the moment reinforced by the fact that just across the valley from this beacon of the Enlightenment, lurk forces that since 1948 have wanted nothing more than to burn this place down along with every book inside it, Einstein’s books, after all, Einstein, for all his supposed brilliance, never knew that the sun sets in a muddy spring, and the Qur’an, that begins where science ends, says nothing about relativity. One narrow valley holds back the darkness.
They got used to their religion being mocked, they’re even getting used to their precious prophet being drawn. By the time they get used to their Qur’an being burnt, who knows, they might not even care anymore. Or, if I really let my dreams take flight, they’ll have discovered that just across the valley, a man was instrumental in setting up a university, that one right there atop Mount Scopus, in which is a library containing books that must never be burnt, but so nearly were.
Infidel says
With all due respect to RS, one does not need to dedicate a lifetime to studying the Quran, Tafseers, Siras, Hadiths and other Islamic texts to conclude what we all know about both Islam and Muslims. I did read ‘Blogging the Quran’ when it came out on this site, but other than a few chapters, like 2, 5, 8, 9, 13, 47, most of it was really boring about what it contained.
I nowadays read my books on a Kindle rather than slaughtered trees, so that burning option’s not there for me. But in any case, just not worth it. Just do everything to boycott Islam – there is no way that even the EU can force its citizens to buy stuff made in countries like Egypt, Bangladesh, Turkey, Indonesia and so on. And avoid dealing w/ Muslims whenever shopping for goods or services. If enough of us on all 3 sides of both ponds do that, they will be marginalized. Yeah, the Saudis and other Gulf sheikhdoms will continue to be rich for a while, but the days when they could dictate oil prices are gone. (We do have to do something about our debt, given that the Saudis own 6% of our bonds)
All that will do more real damage to the ummah than burning any number of Qurans
Antiislamicman says
Islam will attack you anyway, You can only save yourself by DEPORTATION, these people have been instructed to kill you.
Sura 9:29 you don’t believe in Allah.
Why would you believe on a false God and a FAKE PROPHET.
Walter Sieruk says
In Norway or in any other Western nation a much better thing to do with the Quran is to expose the many errors and contradictions that this religious book contains.
This has already been done on pages 145 through 157 in THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey in which he wrote a section on the Quran with its self-contradictions. Just two of the many he cited are the following “The Quran differs on whether a day is a thousand years or fifty thousand years in God’s sight’ and “Who was first to believe? Abraham or Moses [Sura 6:14 versus 7:143]? The above is inconsistent and illogical. Further, Morey wrote about “The fact that Judaism and Christianity broke up into different sects was used in the Quran to prove that they are not of God [Suras 30:20-32. 42:13, 14]. Yet Islam has broken up into many warring sects and therefore cannot be true if the Quran is right.” Moreover, Morey in his book shows many more contradictions and absurdities in the Quran, there are and how Muhammad incorporated extra Biblical and Jewish folklore along with pre-Islamic Arabian myth and parts of Zoroastrian and Hindu stories into the Quran. Furthermore, the Muslims claim that “the Quran is the direct, literal word of God unmodified in any way by the Prophet who uttered them at the bidding of God.”
Nevertheless, in the book UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Eethi Caner has shown that the Quran was modified in the following account on pages 45. “Muhammad felt the need to improve on the words of Allah, since he changed Allah’s wisdom for his own on several occasions. A hadith tells of the nonchalant emendations of Muhammad:’ On a number of occasions he [a scribe] had, with the Prophet’s consent changed the closing words of verses. For example, when the prophet had said ‘God is mighty and wise ‘ Adbollah b. Abi Sarh suggested writing down ‘Knowing and wise’ and the Prophet answered that there was no objection. Having observed a succession of changes of this type, Adbollah renounced Islam on the grounds that revelations, if from God could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as himself. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qorayshites.’ Other writers reveal that later Muhammad and his people did go war with the Qorayshites and he personally killed Abdollah. Obviously Abdollah knew too much and Muhammad wanted Abdollah’s knowledge to die with him.” In conclusion, the Quran is not only a fiction, it’s also a hoax.
Even though the above essay was posted before, it should now be added that the last statement of the above that “the Quran is not only a fiction, it’s also a hoax.” To put this in a Biblical way. As in from the Bible, it may be truly explained that the Quran is a deceptive work of “the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.” Ephesians 14:12.. [N.I.V.]
Walter Sieruk says
A more intelligent thing to do than burn the Quran is to reveal the “reasoning” flaws that the apologists for the Quran proclaim .
For example , a claim by many Muslims is that no one can produce something as beautiful as the Quran in the way the words are arranged and thus it can only be of God. This claim should be answered.
First, all someone has to do is examine some of the great works of literature to fine much written beauty. Such as the Greek epic poet Homer with his Iliad and Odyssey and then Virgil who produced the Aeneid has beauty. Even one of the non-Bible books in the Apocrypha called The Song of Three Children is also very beautiful. Thus just because someone sees a work that is written in great beauty doesn’t mean it’s inspired by God.
Second, the scholar Edward Gibbon wrote after an examination of the Quran that it is an “incoherent jumble of fable and precept and declamation which seldom excites a sentiment or an idea, sometimes craws in the dust and is sometimes lost in the clouds…” The writer Thomas Carlyle wrote the Quran is “A wearisome jumble, crude, incondite [with] endless iterations [and] long-windedness…” Likewise, the philosopher David Hume was NOT favorably impressed after reading the Quran.
[Source of the three scholars mentioned – Secrets of The Koran: Revealing Insight Into Islam’s Holy Book .56,66, by Don Richardson]
Second , the following should be taken into consideration. Of course the Muslim who reads the Quran will see great beauty in the way the words are arranged. This is, in part, because of the power of suggestion after being told so many times that the Quran is so beautifully written. That’s an old brainwashing method, repeating and being told that same thing again and again. Since he or she is always being told the same lie will end up believing that lie. In addition to that, the Imams try to discourage their people from reading other works, such as the Bible, so then they don’t have much or anything to compare or contrast the Quran with. Of course there are some Muslim’s that do read other works, but they are exceptions and they read other things only after they were already brainwashed by the Imams. In short, the Muslims can’t read the Quran objectively because their Imams have programmed them to have a strong bias towards it.
PRCS says
The police order was to not BURN a Qur’an.
Had the SIAN folks not done so, they could have pushed the envelope by throwing a few more copies in the trash, standing on one, tearing pages out of one or more and throwing them in the trash, playing catch with one, etc.
Would have been good to see if Muslims would have attacked for those acts.
gravenimage says
Norway: Police ordered to stop Qur’an burnings for fear that Muslims may carry out jihad massacres in revenge
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Caving to Muslim threats. Who says that Jihad terror–or just the threat of terrorism–does not work? But the demands will just continue to escalate until Norway fully submits to Islam.