No one in the West seems to be able to grasp these distinctions anymore, but even though one may object to burning the Qur’an (I do; I’d rather people read and study it), it is a matter of the freedom of expression. If someone burns the Bible, or the Bhagavad Gita, or The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, or any other book, no one will mind. Burning the Qur’an, however, violates Islamic blasphemy law. By accepting that burning the Qur’an is something that should be restricted and even criminalized, as many in the West have done, Western authorities are opening the door for the establishment of Muslims as a special class that is above the law, and for the introduction of more Sharia into their countries. They’re striking a massive blow against one of the core principles of their society, the freedom of speech.
“Pakistan summons Norway’s ambassador over burning of Quran,” Associated Press, November 23, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
ISLAMABAD (AP) — Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry says it has summoned Norway’s ambassador to convey the deep concern of the government and Pakistani people over the recent burning of Islam’s holy book by a Norwegian man that was caught on video.
In Saturday’s statement, the ministry said: “Such actions hurt the sentiments of 1.3 billion Muslims around the world.”
The statement demanded action against the person in the city of Kristiansand who desecrated the Quran at an anti-Islam rally last week….
In the video, a Muslim youth is seen jumping over a fence and kicking the person burning the Quran. The incident drew nationwide condemnation, with many Pakistanis praising the youth as a hero for defending the Quran.
somehistory says
This is so ridiculous. the “hero” already did something to the book burner, the “hero” of the other group who was protesting the takeover of their country by the hordes of moslims. And the book burner was arrested.
moslims burn the book…they throw them in the water, they leave them in the desert areas of the U.S. on the border with Mexico to burn in the hot sun and blow apart in the wind and rain, to be gnawed by wild animals, etc. They don’t show any respect for it either, so why demand it from non-devil worshippers?
Because:
This filthy book… so full of evil… is just a weapon to moslims to use to become “enraged” and say their “feelings are hurt” when someone destroys it. It can’t be “desecrated” because it is not Holy or Sacred. It is a book spawned by satan the devil to mislead humans into worshipping him.
The words of John Travolta on the television show “Welcome Back Cotter” came to mind when I read the title of the article. The one about the “rubber hose.”
Brian Hoff says
Muslim treat they holy book with respect. Spencer is speading fake new
John says
Islamic tradition has it that Uthman burnt all the originals of the Quran after Zayd had compiled the Quran. So you are saying the third righteous caliph was not a Muslim? And the Egyptians threw a all the different Qurans in circulation in Egypt into the Nile after the hafs Quran was made the standard Quran in Egypt in 1924. Are you ignorant of these facts or are spreading Muslim lies?
mortimer says
Thanks, John: “Uthman burnt all the originals of the Quran” … Yes! Who gave him the right to burn originals that may have been handled by Mohammed himself?
Uthman committed blasphemy or Uthman himself did not believe that the Koran was inspired if he could burn Mohammed’s originals !!!
The ‘Cairo version’ (also the ‘King Farooq version’) was only adopted as the authorized version by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia 34 years ago.
The Koranic authorized text is younger than most of the JW readers.
Are you listening, Mr. Hoff? Which version of the Koran is INACCURATE? May we follow the example of UTHMAN ???
somehistory says
hoff…
Liars always claim others are lying when the Truth is told. And Mr. Spencer didn’t write what you dispute. I did; and I’m not Mr. Spencer. it isn’t “fake new,” nor is it even “fake old.” It’s the Truth.
I have seen photos of the evidence of moslims disposing of their so-called ‘sacred book” by throwing them in the river.
Furthermore, I have seen photos of numerous copies of the filthy book lying in the hot sand where your friends, and possibly relatives, left them when they were illegally entering the U.S.
Filthy evil books left for desert animals to chew until they realize how bitter the taste, and how repugnant the aftertaste.
Filthy books left in the hot sun, sand and rain, to rot, while the moslims who brought them to the U.S., invade this country…illegally…in an attempt to force Americans to worship satan.
Go back to your little room and try to think. You are like a gnat that chooses to pester a person until the person gets fed up with the pest. Can you guess what happens then?
Swat!
mortimer says
Mr. ‘Hoff’, throughout Islamic history, Muslims have treated books in general WITH CONTEMPT and have destroyed historical artefacts of other civilizations with glee for 1400 years. Is that ‘fake news’, Mr, ‘Hoff’ ???
What is ‘fake news’ in the call for FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, Mr. ‘Hoff’?
Tell us, Mr. ‘Hoff’, do you agree BLASPHEMERS should be executed according to Sharia law?
Yes or no.
Or are you ‘spreading’ fake outrage? Tell us if you believe in the death sentence for those who criticize Islam.
gravenimage says
“Brian Hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–wrote:
Muslim treat they holy book with respect. Spencer is speading fake new
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What he means by this is that Muslims threaten to murder anyone who dares criticize the horrors of Islam. He has said that if Muslims ever reach large enough numbers in the US that they will destroy the Constitution and impose brutal Shari’ah law–including criminalizing saying anything negative about the savagery of Islam and its foul “holy book”.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Pakistani Foreign Minister,
If you’re going to be summoning Ambassadors every time someone burns your Qur’an, you had better widen the road leading up to your office, expand your parking lot and enlarge your waiting room. Just like the mocking of Islam really took off after you and your brothers cried and threw temper tantrums about it and the drawing of Muhammad really became widespread after you and your brothers made such spectacles of yourselves about it, you’re now going to be inviting strings of Ambassadors (as if they don’t have better things to do with their time) to whinge and cry about the hurt feeling of 1.3 billion Muslims who care not a jot about the hurt feelings and fears for life and limb of 7.7 billion kufaar so lavishly threatened and insulted in your Qur’an. Really, have you even read that thing? And you have the gall, the brass neck, to complain about hurt feelings? Who the Hell do you and your 1.3 billion hurt Muslims think you are? The best of peoples, or something? Summoning Ambassadors, seriously? Grow up! Your Qur’an pisses off a lot of people every single day. Get used to people expressing their feelings about it. The world is not Pakistan.
gravenimage says
+1
Brian Hoff says
Who give you the right to say what you said here.
Pete says
I’m with Anjuli P. I hate quran & muhamad too
John says
Hating a book and a dead person is a wasted emotion. Do not hate, but inform Muslims of the many mistakes Mohammed made in the Quran and how he lived as a war-lord and not a man of God.
AP says
+1
Chand says
John says:
“Hating a book and a dead person is a wasted emotion. Do not hate, but inform Muslims of the many mistakes Mohammed made in the Quran and how he lived as a war-lord and not a man of God.”
Chand says
John says:
“Hating a book and a dead person is a wasted emotion. Do not hate, but inform Muslims of the many mistakes Mohammed made in the Quran and how he lived as a war-lord and not a man of God.”
How can one be sure that this (Islam and the prophecy of Muhammad) is not the work of God?
mortimer says
Chand asked, “How can one be sure that this (Islam and the prophecy of Muhammad) is not the work of God?”
The answer to your question, Chand, is simply that the Koran is very imperfect and thus, it is certainly not divine.
‘Gibberish’ such as the Koran is not only moronic, but psychiatric !
Renowned Koranic scholar Gerd Puin said, “My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants. The Qur’an claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen,’ or clear, but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn’t make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur’anic text is just INCOMPREHENSIBLE. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur’an is not comprehensible, if it can’t even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur’an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not—there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on.”
Scholars believe that the Koran was created by Caliph abd al Malik because he wanted a state religion that would give him more power. The Koran appears in the reign of abd al Malik and cannot be found before his time.
gravenimage says
Chand wrote:
How can one be sure that this (Islam and the prophecy of Muhammad) is not the work of God?
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One would have to suppose that God wants to see little children raped and genocide against the Jews. Is that how Chand thinks?
mortimer says
“Brian Hoff” wrote “Who give you the right to say what you said here”.
Mr. ‘Hoff’, I don’t believe Allah is real or that the Koran is divine … the Koran is of purely human origin from a certifiable madman. Islam is a hoax.
I GET MY FREEDOM FROM MILLIONS OF SOLDIERS, SAILORS AND AIRMEN and all the others WHO FOUGHT AND WORKED TO KILL TYRANNY LIKE YOURS !!!
Long live freedom!
mortimer says
Reply to ‘John’: The point of burning the Koran is not at all to express contempt and hatred for Muslims or the Koran.
The point of burning the Koran is to defend our FREEDOM FROM DISCRIMINATORY SHARIA LAW.
“The right to blaspheme religion is one of the most elemental exercises of political liberalism. One cannot defend the right without defending the practice.”
– Jonathan Chait, Daily Intelligencer, January 7, 2015
” … when offenses are policed by murder, that’s when we need more of them, not less, because the murderers cannot be allowed for a single moment to think that their strategy can succeed.” – Ross Douthat, NYT, January 7, 2015
Without the freedom to criticize supremacism and religions that promote it, all other freedoms will be dealt with as RELIGIOUS MATTERS subject to religious law. Those freedoms will be lost.
To criticize religion, and even to ridicule it, is not merely one of our freedoms, then, but a profound moral obligation. We do not blaspheme to hurt feelings or mock, but defend our freedom from tyranny. – mortimer
Infidel says
Defender of Islam
Not all the world lives under shariah, so Anjuli has every right to say what she did here
John says
The constitution of the country I live in gives me and every other citizen living there the right to express my views. Do you have a problem with that?
Infidel says
DefenderofIslam absolutely does: he believes that Shariah law should be implemented in every country in the world, regardless of their individual constitutions or laws
gravenimage says
Spot on, Infidel.
John says
The constitution of the country I live in gives me as well as every other person living there the right to express ones views. Do you have a problem with that? Do you think some clergy or some politician has the right to dictate to anyone what they are allowed to say?
Anjuli Pandavar says
Who gives you the right to question my freedom to say what I want?
gravenimage says
“Brian Hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–thinks that free people don’t have the right to speak freely about Islam, but he is wrong.
mortimer says
Thank you, AP. Yes, what about the ‘feelings’ of people who reject Islamic political supremacism or who reject Islamic BLASPHEMY LAW restrictions of their blood-bought freedoms?
My feelings are also ‘hurt’ every time Muslims burn my flag and march in parades calling for my death !!! Pakistan is the home of real persecution of minority faiths.
Will Pakistan assume it can legislate for the rest of the world?
Hugh Fitzgerald says
How many Muslims are there? Does anyone know? Wikipedia, where Muslim propagandists have been relentlessly increasing the numbers of Muslims they claim, tells us there are “1.9 billion Muslims.” That seems wildly inflated. The Muslim Pakistanis now offer a figure of “1.3 billion Muslims.” I think that’s the figure we should go with, and if challenged, refer to the government of Pakistan as our authority.
Infidel says
Given the world’s population of close to 8 billion, it’s reasonable to suppose that the 1.3 billion number has grown since it was discussed years ago. And in this number, we need to include MINOs (Muslims-in-name-only) and sects that are considered un-Islamic, such as Ahmadiyas and Bahaiis
Brian Hoff says
There is close to 2 billion Muslim in the world. The 1.3 and 18 billion figure is way out of date.
John says
Can you please provide your sources for your claim.
Infidel says
I’m not defender of islam, but the 1.3-1.8 number is one that was bandied about some 5-10 years ago. In the meantime, it’s not unreasonable to assume that that number has grown. The world’s population is near 8 billion, and of that, 2 billion are Muslims, including all the sects that I outlined above.
We shouldn’t be in denial of the ground realities while battling Islam
John Magne Trane says
When the organization of islamic countries had their meeting in Turkey, a pro Erdogan newspaper (aren’t they all), had an article about attacking Israel. In it they listed 1,675 million people in the 57 countries. Not all of them are Moslems tho, and there are more Moslems outside of the OIC countries as well.
FYI says
Say ,muslims..how about YOU..
Stop hurting the planet with your islamic “sentiments”,your hate and violence,your false piety,your pagan immoral cult of al LAH the Arab god ,your intolerance of other religions and persecution of “apostates”,your Doctrine of Hate{al walaa wal baraa},1,400 years of invading countries,your constsnt lying to promote islam,the religion of “peace”{WHERE?}
I shouldn’t be up here.I should be back in the islamic state of Swedenistan..How dare you,how dare you!..you have stolen the lives and dreams of many innocent people…
And spare a thought for the environment:you contribute nothing.
No music,no art,no literature in islam:pathetic.
Nothing but false piety.
The hijab?It is worn in honor of a misogynistic Arab god who teaches women are stupid,whose prophet said “women have a deficiency of the mind”,are going to hell anyway{sahih muslim 241}and who knows LESS BIOLOGY than any modern woman.
{the hijab is worn in honor of a god who knows LESS than you do}
Stephen Silverstein says
Never apologise to monsters and idiots.
Westman says
Why does Norway, with only 5 million population, waste its money on an Embassy in Pakistan? Yes, it’s an oil-rich nation with the wealthiest Government Pension Plan in the world, $190,000 per capita, but, 50+ embassies?
What does Norway have in common with Pakistan? Muslims carrying the ideology of Islam? Looking at a map, Norway is next to Sweden and once part of Sweden. Could that book burning have something to do with problems shared by Sweden?
It will be interesting to watch Norway, a country that can afford Muslims on the dole, and see which horse, Germany, France, Sweden, or Norway races to the economic bottom in first place.
Michael Copeland says
Recognise a contrived “Day of Rage” – instructed in the mosque – when you see one.
“…no one can regard any field of his affairs as personal and private …..the Islamic state bears a kind of resemblance to the Fascist or Communist state.”
Maududi, Pakistan’s famous scholar
Angemon says
So f***ing what? What the quran says about non-muslims hurts the feelings of the rest of the human population. So, shut the f*** up and stick your numbers where the sun doesn’t shine – you’re outnumbered.
tim gallagher says
Well said, Angemon. I couldn’t agree more. Everything about Islam and the behaviour of Muslims offends me all the time (especially Islam’s revolting, hate-filled attitude towards all non-Muslims), so, as you say, why the hell should we care about offending MUslims? Muslims are endlessly enraged about some crap anyway. Being hurt and outraged is what Muslims do. They never ever seem to be mellow and peaceful.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
burning of Quran: “Hurt the sentiments of 1.3 billion Muslims”
I’ve seen the vid of this incident, it’s almost funny how some muslims get so batsh*t crazy over something like this. They whale and shout “ALLAHU AKBAR!” they practically foam at the mouth in distress. And I’m thinking, why? What’s so special about a demon god with the morals of a rabid pig? why would you worship something like that? and a “prophet” whose most notable attributes are that he murdered and robbed others. To me this is a sure sign of a serious brainwashing, where the actions are not at all supported by reasonable thinking or good motives. In short, many muslims are morally sick and confused. Certainly not all of them, but many, enough to create a small army called “ISIS” and to cause terror around the world for 14 centuries.
“Such actions hurt the sentiments of 1.3 billion Muslims around the world.”
…which is subtle way of saying, “we’re getting offended and mad,” and you know what happens when muslims get mad. Yes, we sure do, more innocents will die and more freedoms will be lost. That’s why we’re against the madness of islam and that’s why we burn the koran, because its teachings are immoral and muslims are destroying our societies for those teachings.
I propose a “BURN THE KORAN DAY” around the world. Not to offend, but to teach. It’s a blunt way of us saying, “Our sentiments are also getting hurt,” by the offensive teachings in your religion and the violence and suffering they cause. And we do this out of love, love for humanity, ALL humanity, not just people of one religion or another. The hope for me is that it would shock some of these muslims out of their stupidity for islam and therefore save lives and mitigate the social tension its causing around the world. Once muslims realize we in the West are NOT going to compromise our principles of free speech and religious independence they will be less tempted to continue their absurd quest of jihad dominance over the rest of us. If we give in now they’ll only be encouraged to continue their conquering agenda of total dominance for allah, and the result will be more terror and possibly civil war in parts of Europe and perhaps America too, I’m sure of this. It may take 5 years or 25, but it will happen. Let’s not sell out our best ideals for some violent superstition born of greed, robbery, and terror. We are infinitely better than anything islam has to offer.
Lilith Wept says
I agree But I believe instead of sending the message that we of the West are offended by Islam’s actions, or that we dont care about your religion or hurt feelings and possibly de sensitizing moslems to things that non moslems do that are illegal in sharia and this offend moslems…this world wide “burn a Koran day “ would be the equivalent of bombing Mecca!
It would it would cause an explosion of violence by moslems against non moslems.
I subscribe to Voice of the Martyrs , a Christian organization that helps persecuted christians and Christians in Moslem countries and they say that many times when there is some action in the west that moslems don’t like or that “offends “ them, then the moslems In countries like Pakistan go to the nearest Christian village and burn, attack , rape and kill the Christians in retaliation……( I think it’s to hurt the Christians in their country that moslems somehow perceive as being connected to the west , since they can’t get at the actual people who do the offensive action)
So as much as I would love to agree with you, I don’t think this is the way to show we are offended by Islam’s actions… combat the Islamic influence or to give moslems the message that we of the west aren’t obligated to obey sharia law and don’t give a damn about moslems feelings.
Moslems don’t care. Period. They don’t care that we are offended. They don’t care that we are angry .
They have been brainwashed into dehumanizing all infidels. They are told and believe absolutely that moslems are the best of people and islam is the best system .
Islam ( the complete system for living ) is tribal. And this means that if you belong to the tribe of Islam, you are human, your life is valuable , your feeling matter, you are human. If you are outside the tribe, infidel, the “other” then you are not human ( pigs , swine, filth, like a beast) and so your feelings don’t matter, your life isn’t valuable.
So moslems don’t care if we are offended. And there’s nothing we can do ( that will combats the brainwashing of Islam ) that would convince them that we do matter.
So,that’s why moslems feel they can have peace agreements and treaties then break them when they like….1) Spreading islam, obeying Allah’s commands to kill,or convert all infidels is much more important than peace with infidels.
2) Any peace agreement is ultimately for the moslems advantage…..to give them time to rebuild their strength for another attack, lull us into a sense of false security, or to gain the temporary cooperation of infidels so moslems can gain ….something, some objective they want. And knowing the peace will be temporary and then they can kill the despised infidels they made the treaty with.
( This idea of Islam as tribal comes from Raymond Ibrahim’s book “ Sword and Scimitar, by the way) .
Since history has shown us that the ONLY thing that Islam does respect is strength. And not simply strength, but strength that is sued to push back against Islam and hurt Islam.
Compromise, dialogue, diplomacy, giving in to ANY Moslem demand…all these are considered weakness…..a weakness to be exploited.
Just as moslems saw the religious tolerance of the US to be a weakness to be exploited for the benefit of Islam.
So we have been showing Islam that we are weak, despite our military beating the snot out of them.
Because we don’t go on to “ make sure the enemy does not have the means , the strength, or the will to make war against us” ( can’t remember where this quote comes from) .
But I believe a better way to get a message across to the Islamic world that we’ve had enough is for every act of violence by moslems, there is a even bigger and more violent action action against moslems.
Or to stop being weak and stop the “religious toleration “ we have toward Islam.
Let’s face facts, Islam is NOT LIKE ANY OTHER RELIGION. Period.
We all know why.
So lest acknowledge that Islam is not a religion, as we know all other religions, and because of its doctrine , is dangerous and in direct opposition to to Western civilization, culture and laws. And ban it! Or at the very least, deny Islam the protection of “ freedom of religion” . No tax free status, no more bowing and kowtowing to moslems every demand because “it’s a religion” ….
That’s showing strength. That’s shows Islam we are offended and we’ve had enough of Islam , Islamic Terrorism and all of Islam’s hate filled, biolene t doctrine !
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
this world wide “burn a Koran day “ would be the equivalent of bombing Mecca!
It would it would cause an explosion of violence by moslems against non moslems.
I was speaking tongue in cheek with my “burn the koran” suggestion. But I also don’t think it’s entirely a bad idea. Burning that book could be an effective manner of communication that sends muslims a clear message, and the message would be that we are not going to be cowed into submission for their totalitarian religious beliefs. If islam did not contain murderous threats against non-musims and truly was a “religion of peace” I would be far more reticent about doing such a thing. But given the context of all the terror muslims have done and are doing for islam, I don’t think hurting their islamic feelings should be tops on our list of things to be concerned about. I know opinions will differ on this, since you’re probably right, the act might cause an “explosion of violence by muslims against non-muslims.” If you pull an angry dog’s tail you bear a certain measure of responsibility for getting bit.
I guess it all comes down to how evil one believes islam truly is, and would the world be justified in doing such an act given what we know about islam’s bloody past–and present. I can’t help but wonder how many lives might have been saved if people had burned Mein Kampf in protest, it may have helped create a resistance that turned the tide of history, but I know this is just speculation. One thing we know for sure is that non-muslims are confronted by a culture of islamic resistance that says we are enemies of both muslims and their god, and that we are second class citizens worthy of death or subjugation. Further, Islamic terror is rampant, islamic migration is destroying Western culture, our freedoms are getting crushed for islam, our neighborhoods conquered by their enclaves of indifference, our people are getting murdered by jihadists, and our kids and women raped because we are merely infidels not worthy of human respect. Maybe being concerned about how they might respond to burned korans is too much like cowardice in face of the enemy. Maybe we should have burned them long ago, like right after 9/11. If islam truly is as evil as we “islamophobes” say it is then there would have been no reason to wait. Sometimes refusing to confront evil is itself an evil. I think it’s time the world solidify our resistance to the evils of islam, and burning a million korans would make a strong statement of our mutual desire to do just that. But again, it was all tongue in cheek. Your thoughtful reply invoked in me the best rebuttal I could conjure in defense of the possibility, just for fun. Thanks.
Walter Sieruk says
A much for intelligent way to handle the Quran than to burn it is to reveal the logic flaws spoken by the Muslim apologists who used illogical an senseless claims to “prove” the Quran to be true
For example, a claim by Muslims scholars is that no one can produce something as beautiful as the Quran in the way the words are arranged and thus it can only be of God.
This claim should be answered.
First, all someone has to do is examine some of the great works of literature to fine much written beauty. Such as the Greek epic poet Homer with his Iliad and Odyssey and then Virgil who produced the Aeneid has beauty. Even one of the non-Bible books in the Apocrypha called The Song of Three Children is also very beautiful. Thus just because someone sees a work that is written in great beauty doesn’t mean it’s inspired by God.
Second, the scholar Edward Gibbon wrote after an examination of the Quran that it is an “incoherent jumble of fable and precept and declamation which seldom excites a sentiment or an idea, sometimes craws in the dust and is sometimes lost in the clouds…” The writer Thomas Carlyle wrote the Quran is “A wearisome jumble, crude, incondite [with] endless iterations [and] longwindedness…” Likewise, the philosopher David Hume was NOT favorably impressed after reading the Quran.
[Source of the three scholars mentioned – Secrets of The Koran: Revealing Insight Into Islam’s Holy Book .56,66, by Don Richardson]
Furthermore, the following should be taken into consideration.
Of course the Muslim who reads the Quran will see great beauty in the way the words are arranged. This is, in part, because of the power of suggestion after being told so many times that the Quran is so beautifully written. That’s an old brainwashing method, repeating and being told that same thing again and again. Since he or she is always being told the same lie will end up believing that lie. In addition to that, the Imams try to discourage their people from reading other works, such as the Bible, so then they don’t have much or anything to compare or contrast the Quran with. Of course there are some Muslim’s that do read other works, but they are exceptions and they read other things only after they were already brainwashed by the Imams. In short, the Muslims can’t read the Quran objectively because their Imams have programmed them to have a strong bias towards it.
Beverly says
I ask Muslims if Allah created perfection why did he create a slew of people who needed to be killed. No answer, ever.
Lilith Wept says
You mention brainwashing…
I agree Islam brainwashes its followers….and no matter what piece of written work you produce that you say equals the Koran in beauty, moslems would not agree.
This brainwashing is such that nothing, will every equal Islam, the Koran , or the “perfection” of Mohammed.
And the important thing is… …it doesn’t matter what WE of the West think or believe, or prove about Islam.
What’s important is what MOSLEMS believe .
Because that’s what they act upon.
Their imans preach it to them.
Their scholars write commentaries and interpretations of the Koran and Hadiths so moslems will know how to apply a 6th century illogical, non factual , tribal , pagan, and plagiarized text written by a criminal wirh mental issues and a lust for control and power, to the 21st century world.
There are many many websites, books and YouTube videos that take the Koran ( and Hadith ) apart and disprove its claims……prove it’s been plagiarized, and show that Mohammed was not a Biblical prophet .
But still the majority of moslems still continue to cling to Islam.
There is nothing we can do or say that will change the majority of moslems minds about Islam.
I’m not talking about those few ex moslems who have questioned islam, and then leave Islam. Some of them have said that those sites, books, and videos that question and prove Islam’s claims false, have helped them in their own questioning of Islam. So these sorts of things are he,ping..
But the moslems leaving Islam are a tiny percentage of the world’s moslem population. And these ex moslems can only openly leave Islam in western countries where our enlightened laws prevent them from being killed ( some of the time, honor killings happen in the West too frequently)
And example is how people in the west say “ Islam is the religion of peace, this has nothing to do with Islam”
Well moslems know islam is not the religion of peace, that the only peace I the world will be between Moslems, , achieved with the on conversion , violence and killing of all non moslems.
And the moslems that say this are practicing taqyyia, and doing what Mohammed did by saying or doing whatever necessary to lull us into a sense of false security and trust , so that moslems have time to build up their strength and become powerful enough to take over our country
Moslems don’t want peace with us! They want to spread Islam through out the entire world, making every country an Islamic country and every person a Moslem!
And if you know the Koran and Sunnah, you will see that ISIS, Hamas, Boko Haram , Muslim Brotherhood, AlQuida and all the other islamic terrorist organizations, and the individual Moslem terrorists are doing exactly what Mohammed did and what is commanded in the Koran. So it darn well does have EVERYTHING to do with Islam.
Historically the only thing that Islam respects is strength. Not dialogue, debate, discussion, compromise or diplomacy. Just strength that defeats them….repeatedly. To show them that they aren’t the best of peoples and Allah is not on their side.
John says
Just compare Surah 109 with Psalm 23. Psalm 23 wins hands down, which by the criterion in the Quran proves the Quran incorrect.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Yep, that’s exactly what I was trying to say, except you said it with a lot fewer words, lol.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
(Oops, that wasn’t for you. Might be something wrong with JW, that’s twice my posts have landed in the wrong place.)
Walter Sieruk says
A better ,,as in a more intelligent and sophisticated way deal with Quran than to burn it is to expose the many errors and contradictions this religious book contains.
This has already been done on pages 145 through 157 in THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey in which he wrote a section on the Quran with its self-contradictions. Just two of the many he cited are the following “The Quran differs on whether a day is a thousand years or fifty thousand years in God’s sight’ and “Who was first to believe? Abraham or Moses [Sura 6:14 versus 7:143]? The above is inconsistent and illogical. Further, Morey wrote about “The fact that Judaism and Christianity broke up into different sects was used in the Quran to prove that they are not of God [Suras 30:20-32. 42:13, 14]. Yet Islam has broken up into many warring sects and therefore cannot be true if the Quran is right.” Moreover, Morey in his book shows many more contradictions and absurdities in the Quran, there are and how Muhammad incorporated extra Biblical and Jewish folklore along with pre-Islamic Arabian myth and parts of Zoroastrian and Hindu stories into the Quran. Furthermore, the Muslims claim that “the Quran is the direct, literal word of God unmodified in any way by the Prophet who uttered them at the bidding of God.”
Nevertheless, in the book UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Eethi Caner has shown that the Quran was modified in the following account on pages 45. “Muhammad felt the need to improve on the words of Allah, since he changed Allah’s wisdom for his own on several occasions. A hadith tells of the nonchalant emendations of Muhammad:’ On a number of occasions he [a scribe] had, with the Prophet’s consent changed the closing words of verses.
For example, when the prophet had said ‘God is mighty and wise ‘ Adbollah b. Abi Sarh suggested writing down ‘Knowing and wise’ and the Prophet answered that there was no objection. Having observed a succession of changes of this type, Adbollah renounced Islam on the grounds that revelations, if from God could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as himself. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qorayshites.’ Other writers reveal that later Muhammad and his people did go war with the Qorayshites and he personally killed Abdollah. Obviously Abdollah knew too much and Muhammad wanted Abdollah’s knowledge to die with him.” In conclusion, the Quran is not only a fiction, it’s also a hoax.
Peter Dale says
I wonder if he has called in the Chinese ambassador to complain about China’s treatment of its Moslem minority. But perhaps that treatment doesn’t offend 1.3 billion Moslems. Perhaps this is a charade. Perhaps it’s simple fraud.
ntesdorf says
Islam is already established in the minds of authority in most Western countries as a separate caste of ‘untouchable’ above the law. In the minds of an increasing number of ordinary citizens, the Muslims are begining to be established in their minds as a separate caste that one needs to stay clear of for personnal safety.
Peter WF says
I find the way muslims treat infidels offensive. What about my feelings?
Infidel says
Norway should recall its entire embassy staff in Islamabad before a Iran-like hostage situation happens, and after they are safely home, tell Pakistan’s entire embassy staff to leave. Ban all travel to and from Pakistan after those flights.
Oh, and that Muslim ‘youth’ who kicked the Quran burner – give him a one way ticket to Pakistan, and send him there
sidney penny says
“No one in the West seems to be able to grasp these distinctions anymore, but even though one may object to burning the Qur’an (I do; I’d rather people read and study it):
This also applies to banning of books.You object to the banning of books as well as burning of books.
Ban the Quran?
https://www.amazon.com/Calcutta-Quran-Petition-Sita-Goel/dp/8185990581
This book compiles the documents of the Calcutta Quran Petition and provides extensive commentary on them. The stated goal of this book is to promote a public discussion of Islam as a religion, particularly its claim that every bit of the Quran and the Hadis has a divine source. This claim is used at present to prevent a close examination of what the book contains and what message Islam has for mankind at large. This is the Third Revised and Enlarged Edition.
gravenimage says
I think this discussion about Islam is a good thing; the proposed book banning, not so much. As vicious and tedious as it is, I’m glad I’ve read the Qur’an. I first read it not long after 9/11, and it was a real eye-opener as to the evil of Islam and what it has in store for Infidels.
gravenimage says
Pakistan summons Norway’s ambassador over burning of Quran: “Hurt the sentiments of 1.3 billion Muslims”
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Screw that–what about Muslims hurting our sentiments by persecuting and slaughtering innocent people?
What this really is is an attempt to force Norway to impose full Shari’ah blasphemy laws.
And–grimly–it looks as though Norway is well on its way to just that:
“Norway: Police ordered to stop Qur’an burnings for fear that Muslims may carry out jihad massacres in revenge”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/11/norway-police-ordered-to-stop-quran-burnings-for-fear-that-muslims-may-carry-out-jihad-massacres-in-revenge
peter says
Why don’t most of the protestors who are muslim immigrants from muslim countries go back to their own countries where Islam is revered and respected . Why are they cheating like mad to immigrate to Europe and emigrate from their own beloved countries . You know the answer to the question They are making an ass of themselves demanding that they are made welcome where the general public don’t want them!
gravenimage says
Muslims don’t care about any of this, peter. They are here to conquer us and force us to submit to Islam.
peter says
I agree!
gravenimage says
+1
Battle says
O the poor dears.
mortimer says
There are 4,200 different religions. Why does Islam have a special exception from criticism?
Non-Muslims do not have freedom of expression or speech under Discriminatory Sharia law: :
o11.5 Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:
(6) are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make a public display of their funerals and feast days;
o11.10 The agreement [with the state] is also violated (A: with respect to the offender alone) if the state has stipulated that any of the following things break it, and one of the subjects does so anyway, though if the state has not stipulated that these break agreement, then they do not; namely, if one of the subject people:
(3) leads a Muslim away from Islam;
(5) or mentions something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam.
From Shafi Jurisprudence:
3. If a Muslim abuses the Holy Prophet Muhammad SallAllahu Alaihi wa Sallam or lies about him or picks out faults in him, or robs him of his dignity, he commits the act of infidelity against Allāh Almighty. [Imām Abū Yūsuf, Kitāb al-Khiraj, Page 182]
4. Truly whoever abused the Holy Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Sallam or ascribed any fault to him or attributed any defect to his family, religion or his habit, or reproached him, or compared the Holy Prophet Muhammad SallAllahu Alaihi wa Sallam with any defective thing with the objective of degrading his personality and prestige, he is truly an abusive person and DESERVES TO BE EXECUTED. WE MAKE absolutely NO EXCEPTION to this verdict, whether the insult has been committed intentionally or unintentionally. This has been the verdict of all the ‘Ulamā of the Ummah from the time of the Companions to the present day. [Qadī Iyadh, Ash-Shifa, Vol. 2, Page 214]
John says
Since when does Pakistan represent 1,3 billion Muslims?
We should do a mass burning of Qurans every time Muslims attack the West to show all Muslims in the World what we think such actions.
jca reid says
That’s nothing Islam has “hurt” 6.7BILLION other human beings for simply being in their countries. Its not wanted. It’s not needed. Even the vast majority of Muslims would like to see the back of this insane Death Cult.
infidel says
When was the last time the Paki envoy was summoned over Pak’s terror crimes over mankind.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Yep, that’s exactly what I was trying to say, except you said it with a lot fewer words, lol.
toomanyhobbies says
I’m sorry but WHO CARES! said the over 270 Christians you have murdered…
toomanyhobbies says
that is 270 million …. my typo…
Ade Fegan says
So 1.3 billion pussies ?