These are comforting words, and that’s fine, but imagine the embarrassment of everyone in the West when they discover that the Islam of al-Baghdadi and John Georgelas and other jihadis is not radical, but mainstream, and that violent jihad against unbelievers is a constant feature of Islamic history. Here is proof. Also, how can it be said that we are winning when even enunciating the enemy ideology gets one vilified as a “bigot” and shunned by both parties?
“Repentant Islamic State Wife: ‘We Are Winning’ Fight Against Radical Islam,” by Penny Starr, Breitbart, November 3, 2019:
Like many across the United States, upon hearing the news that Islamic State terror leader Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi had been cornered in Syria and died after detonating a suicide vest, Tania Joya was happy the “serial rapist” was dead.
“We are winning” the battle against radical Islam, Joya told Breitbart News.
Joya’s feelings about the death are more personal than most because she once not only lived in Syria among the jihadists, but was married to American ISIS leader John Georgelas, who changed his name to Yahya al-Bahrumi and answered al-Baghdadi’s call to declare a caliphate for radical Sunni Muslims.
Despite media reports that Georgelas is dead, Joya said no definitive proof has been provided.
Joya left Syria with the couple’s three children when she was pregnant with a fourth in 2013 — ten years after the couple met in the U.K. where she lived with her Bengali immigrant parents. They married shortly after meeting and eventually went to Syria to join the Islamic State.
“We both had a passion for jihad,” Joya told Breitbart News in July..
Joya said she wanted to raise her future sons as “fearless men that would conquer for the sake of God and Islam.”…
Joya now lives in the same Texas town as Georgelas’ parents, who share custody of the children. She said she was able to reenter the United States because all of the couple’s children are U.S. citizens and she agreed to share information with federal authorities….
DHazard says
“Joya said she wanted to raise her future sons as ‘fearless men that would conquer for the sake of God and Islam’.…”.
Six Years Later
She wants to live in a pineapple under the sea. World complies. For her the sake of her “future sons”.
CogitoErgoSum says
John Georgelas’ parents raised their son to be a jihadi. They now share custody of his children. I wonder what they will do differently in helping raise their grandsons.
gravenimage says
His family is described as politically conservative and of Greek ancestry. His father is a retired Air Force Colonel. They *may* be responsible for their son being a Jihadist, but it doesn’t look like it. Children sometimes turn out worse (or better) than their parents.
He didn’t convert to Islam until he was an adult.
CogitoErgoSum says
Graven , I did not know about that. In that case there is reason to believe that the children will turn out differently from their father. Thanks.
mortimer says
Thanks for the investigative reporting, GI. Sounds like a case of delayed teen rebellion.
Parents should keep books lying around the house that will warn their young people about jihadism, Islamic mistreatment of women, Islamic slave trade, persecution of other religions, and other evils of political Islam. That would give the children the opportunity to immunize themselves against Islam without the parents saying a word.
gravenimage says
Thank you, CogitoErgoSum and Mortimer.
Unfortunately, the Muslim mother is still involved with these children, as well. despite her supposedly being “repentant, one can’t help but worry what she is teaching them.
Wellington says
She’s either a liar or immensely ignorant about her own faith. I mean, just for starters, if you don’t know that the term “radical Islam” is redundant then you don’t know diddly shit.
Infidel says
As I commented in Breitbart as well, I don’t trust any of the ex-Jihadists who haven’t gone all the way and renouncing Islam. Since they are not admitting that there is an authentic Islamic basis for every Jihadist thing that they did
Also, her return to the US should have been conditional on her renouncing Islam, and also on her having zero contact w/ her kids, who should have just been adopted out to random non-Muslim families
gravenimage says
+1
Bikinis not Burkas says
https://pjmedia.com/blog/muruna-violating-sharia-to-fool-the-west/
Jayell says
‘Repentant Islamic State Bride’…..or indeed ‘Repentant Islamic ANYTHING’? Since when was any kind of ‘repentance’ islamic? Contradiction in terms. The word ‘sorry’ is apparently not in any islamic dictionary since it’s never used. Must be ‘non-halal’.
John says
FFS, she must think we are all Dills.Radical islam is TRUE Islam as the quran preaches. More islamic lies so this Barbaric Demonic Totalitarian Ideology of Savages can continue and try and conquer the world .
abad says
Message to Joya:
There is no such thing as radical Islam.
Islam is Islam is Islam.
John says
What Texas city is she living? Citizens need to be warned there is a Jihadi bride with caliphate cubs living in their midst.
Infidel says
Yeah, she should be listed in neighborhood watches, so that people know what to watch out for.
Bikinis not Burkas says
I was watching on TV how in America you confine Child Sex Offenders to trailer parks, be advised mostly CFO’s normally don’t kill the children whereas Jihadists kill their victims.
What is more evil?
Love or Jihad.
gravenimage says
Most child predators are not confined to trailer parks. Sometimes these predators find it hard to find places to live, because they are supposed to keep a certain distance from schools and daycare centers.
Presumably this is a reference to this story:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3604102/The-place-pedophiles-rapists-call-home-Florida-trailer-park-126-residents-sex-offender-live-there.html
This is unusual–most sex offenders live in the community on release, but have to check in with probation officers frequently. In some states, there places of residence are make known on government websites, so that parents of young children can protect their kids.
And generally “CFOs” here means “chief financial officer”–usually of large businesses. I have not heard this used to refer to sex offenders.
But I have to tell you, molesting children is *not* love.
In fact, pedophilia and Jihad are both sacralized in Islam.
gravenimage says
their places of residence
Peter WF says
Madam, continue to build on what you have started.
Marquez says
I’ve seen her on Good Morning Britain and in no uncertain terms she declared openly that she has left Islam and believes the Quran to be a “terrible book”. This statement left Piers Morgan red faced after he previously had attacked Tommy Robinson for saying the same thing. Here’s the link https://youtu.be/FLz3rrYb-JI
gravenimage says
I did not know that she has left Islam. This is good sign.
This article also implies that Joya has now left Islam:
https://themedialine.org/news/dallas-temple-offers-mixed-reception-to-isis-leaders-ex-wife/
gravenimage says
Repentant Islamic State bride: “‘We are winning’ the battle against radical Islam”
…………………
She *may* be telling the truth–or this may be a big load of steaming Taqiyya…
Giacomo Latta says
If any Islam apologists out there know why a Christian who follows the Bible pretty much literally is called a fundamentalist whereas a muslim who does the same with the koran is a radical, please let me know.
Is her husband dead? I suspect that if his brothers-in-arms saw him in bad shape, they would stand around with one eye on him and the other on her.
gravenimage says
He is presumed dead two years ago.
VRWC member77 says
“We both had a passion for jihad.”
Well then YOU deserve nothing less than a strapped down appointment with an electric chair.
jca reid says
Come off it, woman!! There is NO such thing as ‘Moderate Islam’! There is just Islam. She ought to read what Turkish Premier ERDOGAN & Pakistani Premier KHAN, say. There has Never, repeat NEVER been any demonstrations by ‘moderate’ Muslims against the inane barbarity of their fellow Muslims. NEVER!!!. If they were to speak out, or have a demonstration march, they’d be marked for execution & get their & their families’ throats cut.! What this ‘silent majority’ are doing is simply waiting to see which way the wind blows. If these jihadists do win. they’ll be joining their throng form their share of booty & slaves. It amazes me how people for this bullsh*t & this woman actually believes what she is saying.
mortimer says
Tania Joya is personally ‘winning’ the privilege of raising her children in a stable, egalitarian country. But I think she will have a rough road if she continues to speak out. If she does, then she will have the deep esteem and gratitude of all those who understand Islamic supremacism.
I agree with comments by Wellington and others that Joya likely knows diddly squat about Islamic theology and political doctrines. What caught her attention was the ‘serial rapists’ within ISIS.
This is the saddest part for me: namely, that people can live many years in a strict Muslim society and yet never learn ONE DOCTRINE of political Islam.
They observe the BEHAVIOR of jihadists, but NEVER EVER open a book to learn the teachings that ungird those evil behaviors.
Giacomo Latta says
There is certainly a reason why females are not encouraged to spend a lot of time getting educated.
elee says
We send our daughters to expensive colleges where maladjusted PhDs turn them into nasty libbers. An inquiring mind must ask: is there something to be said for the Muslim anthropology? Our daughters apparenttly think so……..at least until they taste the fruits of enslavement.
PRCS says
There is no ‘moderate’ or ‘radical’ version of Islam.
And given that there’s no separation of mosque and state either, there is no ‘political’ Islam.
The politics are baked in.
PRCS says
Ooops.
That was meant for Mortimer.
gravenimage says
elee wrote:
We send our daughters to expensive colleges where maladjusted PhDs turn them into nasty libbers. An inquiring mind must ask: is there something to be said for the Muslim anthropology?
……………………..
Is elee cheerleading FGM, child marriage, forced marriage, rape, sex slavery, wife beating, and “Honor Killing”? Sure sounds like it.
He could “revert” to Islam right now if he likes it.
elee says
In their culture it is not the place of the worshipper to have opinions about their eternal revealed truths. We westerners have trouble accepting this. Get used to it: we say and think: My opinion is…… This doesnt exist in Islam. A Muslim has not opinions, he has only the revealed truth of his scriptures and the ulema. As long as the root of their religion is this barbarous scripture, Verse of the Sword and all, there can be no peace. With Muslims one looks in vain for a reasoning, approving or disapproving mind. How is a mind lobotomised by endless rote memorisation to imagine freedoms outside its experience for a millennium and a half? Sorry you gave your critical faculty over to the death-cult, now all we can do is neutralise (incapacitate) you. And for G-ds sake take those innocent children away from her , it may be too late but do it anyway. Raising Muslim children is child abuse, just like a botched back-alley lobotomy. TR
mortimer says
Infidel, you are speaking through your hat. It is heartless to condemn someone who is under threat and severly traumatized. Fr. Zakaria Botros recommends that Muslims who leave Islam and even the baptized should pretend to be Muslim so that they may live longer.
I agree with that. They should gradually move to safety and find ways to help others leave. Being an ex-Muslim is one of the trickiest tricks their is.
I know of two journalist who are apostates in private, but ‘moderate’ Muslims in public. I approve. They do much more good that way and are able to say things that would not be possible otherwise.
elee says
Tricky dilemma that, isnt it? Your friends have overcome all the brainwashing to discover individual consciences and individual responsibilities. Lots of Nazi children have accomplished this, but then again millions died to buy them their liberties. But can your friends bear witness to their consciences while passing as Muslims? I do not envy them. Whatever chocies they make, my heart goes out to them.
gravenimage says
Fr. Zakaria Botro lives in a Muslim country, where apostates are likely to be murdered. Are you saying that ex-Muslims in the West have to pretend to be Muslim, as well?
mortimer says
If ‘winning the battle against radical Islam’ means hunting them down and capturing jihadis, then there is some truth in that. Even Muslim countries are finding jihadists nuisances.
We are in fact winning *somewhat* in the ideological realm, but it is, I admit, agonizingly slow. That is because most counterjihadists are rather INTELLECTUALLY LAZY and are leaving the heavy lifting to Robert Spencer and others. WE SHOULD ALL DO OUR PARTS to INCREASE AWARENESS of jihadism. The most important thing is to be FULLY PREPARED (or as prepared as possible) to give REASONABLE points on why jihad is in a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY that is a standard part of Islam, rather than an aberration.
elee says
+1. We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these rights are liberty equality and the pursuit of happiness……..will a billion and a half zombies some day awaken to the awareness of these dead white guys? Who knows, but till then theyre armed and dangerous. Meanwhile taking our freedoms is a naked and repulsive political proposition, whether or not its wrapped in the trappings of purported scripture.
gravenimage says
Which Anti-Jihadists are intellectually lazy?
Angemon says
One will never win the war as long as they pretend “radical islam” is different from “mainstream islam”…
gravenimage says
+1
PRCS says
Don’t overlook a significant issue here:
The Breitbart reporter coulda/shoulda asked Tania Joya to define ‘radical Islam’.
But, she didn’t.
Infidel says
A number of Breitbart reporters are not so bright, in a manner of speaking: they lack much knowledge in history, geography or indeed many other topics. Just the other day, they described Pakistan and Sri Lanka as South-East Asian countries, and never bothered to correct it, even though a number of commentators pointed it out in the comments.
That site has seen a major deterioration since the departure of Steve Bannon
gravenimage says
I take your point, PRCS and Infidel. But Breitbart still covers a lot of issues that most of the MSM will; not touch.
PRCS says
Don’t give that reporter a pass merely because the publication she works for does good work elsewhere.
I have to wonder if she even thought to ask.
Infidel says
Breitbart is anti-Islam when it comes to the West and Israel, but curiously, pro-Islam not only for the Uyghurs in China, but also in India, Burma and Sri Lanka. It’s a bizarre stance: I can understand Neil Munro and a whole bunch of Breitbarteers being irate about H1Bs, but that’s no reason to wish that India falls to the forces of Islam
gravenimage says
OK, PRCS and Infidel.
PRCS says
+1
somehistory says
“Some fools never learn.”
If the grandparents of the kids have enough time and can teach these kids right from wrong, convince them that what isis members, and other terrorist moslims, are doing is evil, perhaps they can grow up to be ‘fearless’ against the very thing that caused so many of their problems.
But, their mother is a fool is she thinks she can continue as a moslim and “win” against islam…all of which is “radical.: The beast of islam belongs to satan the devil and its all as evil as he is. There are no levels, or categories, or distinctions among the different pages of their filthy book.
islam is like a drum, or well, full of poisoned water…all of the water is poison…not just the top, middle or bottom molecules…but all of it.