My latest in PJ Media:
Tulsi Gabbard, the marginally sane candidate in the Democratic presidential field, said Thursday that Saudi Arabia is “undermining our national security interests” and that “it is our government — our own government — that is hiding the truth” about Saudi involvement in the 9/11 jihad attacks.
Gabbard noted that “for so long, leaders in our government have said, ‘well, Saudi Arabia is our great ally, they’re a partner in counterterrorism’ — turning a blind eye or completely walking away from the reality that Saudi Arabia time and again, has proven to be the opposite.”
The Hawaii congresswoman also broke ranks with the bipartisan conventional wisdom about exactly what side the Saudi government is on when she noted that the Saudis are “the number one exporter of this Wahhabi extremist ideology. They’re a fertile recruiting ground for terrorists, like al-Qaeda and ISIS around the world. They’re directly providing arms and assistance to al-Qaeda in places like Yemen and in Syria.”
Gabbard has a point. The 28-page section of the 9/11 report detailing Saudi involvement in the September 11, 2001 jihad attacks was finally released in 2016 (albeit with substantial portions still redacted), and it is now clear why one president who held hands with the Saudi King and another who bowed to him worked so hard all these years to keep these pages secret: they show that it is highly likely that the 9/11 jihad murderers received significant help from people at the highest levels of the Saudi government.
The report states that Omar al-Bayoumi, who “may be a Saudi intelligence officer,” gave “substantial assistance to hijackers Khalid al-Mindhar and Nawaf al-Hamzi after they arrived in San Diego in February 2000. Al-Bayoumi met the hijackers at a public place shortly after his meeting with an individual at the Saudi consulate.”
Around the same time, al-Bayoumi “had extensive contact with Saudi Government establishments in the United States and received financial support from a Saudi company affiliated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense.” That company “reportedly had ties to Usama bin Ladin and al-Qa’ida.”
There is much more. Read the rest here.
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ntesdorf says
This looks like a rare outburst of sanity from the Democrat Party. She may have been reading Jihad Watch.
Infidel says
No, as I pointed out weeks ago, the only Islamic entity that Gabbard finds bad is Saudi Arabia. She believes that the people of Yemen are peace loving, and the war in Yemen is just the Saudis doing the bullying. She is opposed to the US guarding the oilfields in Syria b’cos she thinks that it belongs to the ‘Syrian people’ – despite the fact that there is no such entity, just myriad groups like Sunnis, Alawites, Kurds, Druze, Turkomans, Assyrians, and also the fact that the Syrian regime is now so beholden to Moscow that any proceeds from those sales would need to fund them for propping up that regime. She also thinks that the Iran nuclear deal was a good idea, and was opposed to Trump’s travel ban.
The good news about her is that not only is she unlikely to get the nomination, she’s also not running for her seat in Hawaii. She should do some serious soul searching and then come out w/ policies that make sense, as opposed to just ‘feel good’ policies. Maybe she could take coaching from Rand Paul, who agrees w/ her on foreign policy issues
gravenimage says
All true, Infidel.
Unfortunately, she is as clueless about Islam as are most politicians:
“Tulsi Gabbard on Islam/Fighting Islamophobia”
https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-gabbard-on-islamfighting-islamophobia
Key Points:
Tulsi is a vocal proponent of freedom of religion for all people and has been one of the strongest voices in Congress to work for the respect and equality of people of Muslim faith…
Tulsi respects the Prophet Mohammed as a representative of God: “As a Vaishnava Hindu…I recognize and respect both Jesus Christ and the Prophet Mohammed as messengers of God, messengers of love, peace, and universal brotherhood.”…
Tulsi strongly defended Muslims from Donald Trump’s attempt to conflate Islam with terrorism…
…
Far more stupidity there.
Wellington says
“Far more stupidity there.”
I agree, gravenimage. It’s at first difficult to comprehend that intelligent, well educated people can actually be stupid. But they can.
mortimer says
WOW ! GI, you have a major investigative find here! Tulsi is, therefore, a total moron in the matter of Islam. I have a friend who is a Gabbard-olator! I can’t wait to share your investigation with him.
Tulsi knows so little of Islam that she can bring herself to consider Mohammed an emissary of the millions of Hindu gods and goddesses … even though Mohammed denounced POLYTHEISM.
Tulsi Gabbard is a religious semi-literate.
MESSAGE TO TULSI: ISLAM SLAUGHTERED 80 MILLION HINDUS. ISLAM is NOT a part of HINDUISM!
That was the biggest of all genocides in human history, Tulsi. Or do facts matter to you?
gravenimage says
Sadly true, Wellington and Mortimer.
eduardo odraude says
Some types of “education” serve mainly to increase the cleverness and incorrigibility with which people can defend various kinds of intellectual myopia.
Infidel says
Why would a Vaishnav Hindu recognize either Christ or Mohammed? There is nothing about them in the Vishnu Puranas, Shrimad Bhagvatam, Ramayan or Mahabharat – all the books that are sacred to Vaishnavs
Maybe someone from the RSS could school Tulsi about what Muslims at large did to Hindus at large over an 800 year period. Incidentally, the 80 million number cited by Mortimer was just over the Mughal period: the preceding 500 years, another 70 million Hindus, Buddhists and Jains were massacred over time
gravenimage says
Yes–this is horrible, Infidel, Hindus have probably suffered more than any other group at the hands of Muslims, and that is saying a lot.
Lotus says
https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2019/10/15/the-saudi-stink-of-hypocrisy/
https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2015/08/18/saudi-arabia-the-worlds-greatest-hypocrite/
glendl says
I believe 3 Saudi princes were too involved with Islamic terrs and the 3 were executed. Since at that time princes were not publicly executed, the first one died in a car accident. The second one died in a car accident on the way to the first one’s funeral. I forget how the 3d prince ‘died’.
Infidel says
Right. The question is are any of the current Saudi leadership mentioned in that 9/11 report, and are they the people the 9/11 victims are trying to sue? If MbS has his own hands clean, and has indeed purged everybody involved in that plot, then it’s worth working out a deal w/ him, where instead of the Saudi state, the people involved would have their assets frozen, and that would be made available to the 9/11 victims for compensation.
Not just Saudi Arabia, we should look at their neighbors as well. There was a story about the CIA in the 90s calling off an attack on Osama b’cos he was in the company of a member of the al Thani family from Qatar, and also, that there were Emirati sheikhs in bed w/ him. Also, to what extent did any major Kuwaitis help KSM – a Kuwaiti Pakistani – in the plot? All that, as well as any links w/ Yemenis, should be exposed, and those countries should also be held accountable.
gravenimage says
Even without 9/11, Saudi Arabia is a vicious Shari’ah state that funds Jihad and Da’wa all over the world.
Infidel says
How much has that changed since Trump’s Riyadh visit in 2017? Maybe it’s worth revisiting that and assessing all the countries in the region – KSA, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrein, UAE, Yemen, Oman, Iraq, Sudan, Egypt, Libya….
gravenimage says
They are all Islamic crap holes.
Infidel says
Yeah, but we need to assess to what extent do they still bankroll:
– jihad
– dawa
and then fine-tune our policies accordingly, being most hostile to the most generous bankrollers of jihad and dawa. I suspect it’s not so much Saudi Arabia as much as it is Qatar, Turkey and maybe Malaysia or Brunei
mortimer says
Agree with GI. ‘An Islamic craphole.’ Also, KSA is the greatest publisher, promoter and distributer of TAQIYYA in history.
TAQIYYA is VERBAL JIHAD.
gravenimage says
(For some reason, this seems to be posting above the posts below by Infidel and Mortimer, but is a reply to them. Please ignore this note if it posts below)
My understanding is that Saudi Arabia under Mohammad bin Salman is till building Mosques all over the world, as well as sending “radical” Imams to preach there.
Supporting Jihad is harder to track, of course–but there is no reason to suppose that this has changed, either.
Wellington says
The overall truth to be gathered by this: The entire Muslim world is an enemy of America, the West in general and most surely such wonderful things like liberty and equality under the law.
It’s more than just pointing out the decrepitude of Saudi Arabia. SA is nothing more than a symptom of a disease. The disease is Islam.
gravenimage says
+1
Terry Gain says
Wellington
What you don’t understand is that the public will not be convinced that Islam is a disease so long as they believe that it is a religion.
Infidel says
Terry, why can’t a religion be evil?
Wellington says
Echoing Infidel, why indeed can’t a religion be evil, Terry? The Aztec religion had human sacrifices and its priests wore capes made out of human skin. The Carthaginian religion sacrificed children to Baal. Satanism is another example of an evil religion. And so on. You want your own definition of religion which means that to be a religion it must be good. Off hand, I know of no dictionary which would define religion as you want it defined.
Your approach is a non-starter. What must be done is to point out how evil Islam truly is. That it thereafter retains the status of a religion would be of little consequence. Let’s face it, it was probable, not a given but probable, that mankind would develop a major religion which was malevolent. Mankind did. Mankind developed Islam. Take it from here.
Infidel says
To support Terry now, neither Aztec nor Carthagian religions are protected by the 1st Amendment. Islam is. That’s what she’s driving at – Islam needs to be divested of its 1st Amendment protections, and be at the same level as Scientology. Nobody in the media fears going after Scientology b’cos they look at it as a cult. The same thing needs to be done about Islam
Wellington says
Infidel: The matter of the Aztec religion and Carthaginian religion not being protected by the 1st Amendment is moot since they no longer exist. But Scientology and Satanism, which do exist, are protected religions per the First Amendment freedom of religion clause.
Seeking Islam being divested of 1st Amendment protection is a fool’s errand for two reasons: 1) Islam meets any definition of religion, for instance that provided by the American Heritage Dictionary, i.e., “The expression of man’s belief in and reverence for a superhuman power recognized as the creator and governor of the universe”—how does Islam not stand up here as a religion (though an iniquitous one, and including its malevolent deity)?; and 2) Even if Islam were to be stripped of religious status, something I assure you will not occur by the America judiciary EVEN IF most judges conclude Islam is evil, it would still be protected by the First Amendment for freedom of speech purposes just as Nazism and Marxism are.
gravenimage says
Agree with Infidel and Wellington. Besides, the idea that no one in the West ever criticizes religion is obviously *quite* mistaken.
mortimer says
Wellington is correct in general theory: The Muslim world is opposed to the West. The goal of Islamic supremacism is shared by all Muslims, but their method of conquest differs. ‘Moderate’ Muslims believe that a massive use of taqiyya is the way to take over the West. ‘Radical’ Muslims believe that Allah will send his angels to aid the outnumbered and outgunned jihadists.
Both ‘moderate’ and ‘radical’ Muslims are delusional, because jihad will lead to WWIII and will destroy the earth. Is that the will of Allah? If so, then Allah is totally absurd and unworthy of our belief.
Terry Gain says
Allah doesn’t exist. He is obviously a fake god. Islam is not a religion. It is a delusion. A god who commands people to kill innocent people is not god.
Wellington says
I agree, Terry, that Allah is a fake god, but so were the gods of the Roman religion, the Aztec religion, the Phoenician religion, the ancient Egyptian religion, the Sumerian religion, the Chaldean (neo-Babylonian) religion, etc. Fake gods do not add up to the belief system in these gods not being a religion. Some people, you know, think the Judeo-Christian deity is non-existent or fake and these religions are delusions too. Would they, per your thinking, be justified in asserting that Judaism and Christianity therefore are not religions?
gravenimage says
True, Wellington.
glendl says
That wasn’t supposed to post.
I would say that the only reason she has her mouth open is because we have President Trump in the White House. I do not recall any Dem mention of this during 0bama’s 8 years. In other words, I question her motives, any Democrat/Leftist, Liberal motives.
We never needed Saudi oil. We never needed anyone’s oil, we have enough. It was Democrat/Liberal policies that got us started sending billions of dollars overseas to buy something we had plenty of. It was Democrat/Liberal policies that placed restrictions on our exploring, extraction oil, building refineries, and pipelines.
glendl says
Again.
The Saudi govt is not the same one that were in power before and during 9/11. The Sauds need us more than we need them.
glendl says
Again
Let’s see if they are cleaning up their act. We do not want Iran controlling the Peninsula or access to the Suez Canal. Done.
Save Europe says
How about neither controlling it !!!!
You’re obviously pro Israeli. As I am. However, you’re consumed by the illogical narrative that ONLY Iran is Israel’s foe. Hypothetically, if Iran were to cease to ‘be’, then Saudi would turn its attention onto Israel.
Infidel says
Save Europe
That’s a very good point. Which is why the best outcome for the region is a triangular Saudi vs Iran vs Turkey conflict throughout the region, that keeps their hands full
Save Europe says
WRONG!
Saudi owns 6% of USA debt. The Saudis and Qataris use their oil and gas money to invest heavily in the West, in extremis!!!
From Unis to building projects etc! From the Sorbonne to Oxford! Sainsbury’s to Twitter.
We sell them weapons for money and to safeguard jobs!
If you genuinely think our relationship with them is ‘one way’ then I’d say – sorry – you’re very ill knowledged.
The answer is quite simple – we have to end this vile friendship with the scum.
Infidel says
This is very true – no one wants to do anything about our national debt, and it’s underwritten by the Saudis and the Chinese – the 2 countries Americans have the least favorable views of
Jake says
It says a lot when the only even close to sane Democrat is Tulsi Gabbard. Of course they call her a Russian agent. She isn’t Deep State so she must be destroyed.
gravenimage says
Actually, sucking up to Islam save that from the Saudis is not all that sane.
Walter Sieruk says
The Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia in no friend of any Western nation, Saudi Arabia is best defined as a kingdom of Islamic hate
As one Arab scholar who had lived in a Middle Eastern country, for many years revealed “Saudi madrassa notably teach hatred and condemnation of the West and non-Muslims” and “The Saudi Government also provides free textbooks to Islamic schools throughout the world . many of the Saudi- Issued textbook’s contain wording that encourages hatred and intolerance for non-Muslims.” [1]
Saudi Arabia in many ways is no better than Iran.
[1] THEY MUST BE STOPPED by Brigitte Gabriel, page 106
Walter Sieruk says
The Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia has not and will not spare any of its vast oil wealth as to use its financial resources to fund and promote the advancement of Islam by and through the jihad. By this it means both the stealth jihad and even the subtle support violent jihad.
As explained, for example in the book HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD by William Wagner. For on pages 109, 110. The reader is informed that “The Wall Street journal on April 15, 2003 published an article titled ‘In law Seminars, A Saudi Group Spreads Extremism.’ The article began by saying ‘In late February more than 300 young men from across Europe gathered for a weekend seminar on Islamic Law put on by Al-Waqf al-Islaami Foundation.’ The article went on to explain that the most famous graduates from the seminar were half a dozen members of the group of young men from Hamburg, Germany, who plotted the September 11, attacks. The language of the was Dutch, but ‘the message was imported from Saudi Arabia, via Saudi books and lecturers who taught a strict orthodox interpretation of Islam.’ “
Further on the very same page of 110 the information is given that “TIME MAGAZINE , in an article on Saudi Arabia: Inside the Kingdom,’ stated ‘Apart from channeling money to foundations that have assisted terrorist groups, Saudis have for years supported institutions abroad the propagate Wahhabism.’”
In addition to all this, in the book of the title of THE HISTORY OF JIHAD FROM MUHAMMAD TO ISIS, by Robert Spencer on pages 333 through 337.Mr Spencer provides valid information of the subject of “ The Saudi involvement in September 11.”
So with that Islamic regime of Saudi Arabia and its oil money support the different type of the jihad, both stealth and the violent kind, with its Islamic agenda advancement and spread , influence and infiltration of the Western nations ,this kingdom of Saudi Arabia is no friend at all of America or any other country of the West.
Walter Sieruk says
Saudi Arabia is not an innocent nation when it comes to the subject of promoting Islamic terrorism by setting up Muslim brainwashing centers in which impressionable Muslim youth are thoroughly indoctrinated into the ways of Quran based jihad violence with much killing of people who are not Muslim for the advancement of Islam. As the Quran instructs, for example 2:191., 5:33. 9:5,111,112,123 47:4,89.
One scholar, Brigitte Gabriel, who is an from the Middle East had in her book with the title of THEY MUST BE STOPPED informs her readers on page 114. “Saudi Arabia is one of the leading financial contributors to Islamic terrorism worldwide. Part of that contribution is made by funding madrasas throughout the world and the brainwashing of Muslim children with intolerant teaching towards anything non-Muslim.”
Likewise, a former Muslim, Ibn Warraq, in his book which has the title of THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM on page 353 reveals that “Saudi Arabia has spent millions on Islamic propaganda and on building madrassas.”
Further on the subject that there are Muslim mind control and mind programming places where Muslim males are thoroughly indoctrinated into the strong but blind and unquestioning faith in Koran with all non-watered down; hard core Islam with its militant jihad. Those places, “schools,” are called madrasas. In those Islamic mind programming centers young Muslim male are ingrain in the mindset Koranic dogma of the use of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As the Koran instructs. As in, for example, in 2:191. 9:5, 123. 47:4. Many of those who of such center are so much damaged that they are literally dangerous to self and others. As seen many times in jihad suicide, homicide bombing/attacks. For the Koran instructs in 9:111. “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.” Furthermore, those mind programming places also ingrain the outlandish absurd Koranic doctrine of a sex-filled paradise with many virgins, houris, in it for the Muslim male who dies fighting for the cause of Islam in the jihad. Such a strange doctrine of a houris filled- place in found in the Koran in 44:54. 55:56. 78:31.
Moreover, such Islamic mind programming centers are further explained about by the scholar Don Richardson in his book SECRETS OF THE KORAN which on pages 69,70. Informs the reader that “The world needs to be warned. At least forty million Muslim youth in the Muslim worlds’ religious schools, called madrasa, are avidly memorizing the entire Koran … These schools become breeding grounds for potential terrorists. When male students, isolated from family and friends in madrasa, reach puberty and their hormones are active, there are no girls to date. Instead, Muslim clerics easily shift to focusing the male student’s attention on Koranic verse that promises sex in heaven with dark-eyed houris. Students can only fantasize about martyrdom followed by the sexual release Muhammad promised. This is an unspeakably cruel brainwashing technique , and the Koran is its perfect guidebook.”
In short, Saudi Arabia is very guilty of promoting Islamic terrorism
abad says
“In short, Saudi Arabia is very guilty of promoting Islamic terrorism”
And why shouldn’t it. Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Islam itself.
Which is precisely why we need to say buh bye to them.
Saudi Arabians had no know-how in utilizing the resources of their land. None. The Quran falls short in a lot of places, but this ranks at the #1 spot. Compare to the book of Genesis, Ch 1.
The best thing the western world can do is withdraw its troops and cash from Moslem-majority countries, let their populations end up killing each other. After the western world deports its share of Moslems, including Omar and company.
Mr. Cohen says
In New York City, in Brooklyn, there is a neighborhood where Arabs and Muslims are a large minority, maybe even the majority. In year 2001, most of the Arab and Muslim teenagers attended a public high school in that neighborhood.
According to one teacher who worked in that school, half the Arab and Muslim students did not attend school the day before the World Trade Center was destroyed; and on the day that the World Trade Center was destroyed, NONE of the Arab and Muslim attended that school!
When that teacher reported this true story to government authorities, she was told to SHUT UP.
gravenimage says
Do you have links to this story. Mr. Cohen?
Mr. Cohen says
Tragically, this story never made it into the news-media, because teacher decided to SHUT UP, just as she was told to do by the government authorities.
The only hope for this story reaching the news-media would be if one of the Muslims students who was warned not to come to school on the day that the World Trade Center was destroyed, would quit Islam and become an outspoken opponent of Jihad.
Unless that happens, there will never be any evidence that this event ever happened.
Which leads me into my next point: Christian missionaries should focus all their efforts on converting Muslims, even if it means discontinuing their efforts to convert Jews.
Converting Jews to Christianity would not have saved the World Trade Center;
but converting Muslims to Christianity might have saved the World Trade Center.
gravenimage says
Thank you for your reply.
abad says
Please provide a link to this, Mr Cohen, thanks.
eduardo odraude says
I won’t buy “Mr. Cohen’s” story until he can provide some evidence. Who told you this story? How did you hear of it? The way you tell it, it sounds like mere rumor-mongering.
Islam sucks, but spreading rumors or making up tall tales only undermines the real case to be made that Islam is a massive expansionist totalitarian movement that threatens non-Muslim civilizations around the globe.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Eduardo. Besides, no school in Brooklyn is close enough to the WTC to be damaged by their destruction.
Further, there is no centralized system by which all Muslims could be notified of anything.
If there were, surely the Muslims in the WTC–there were a few Muslim victims on 9/11–would have been notified to stay home, rather than high school kids in a borough across the East River.
Save Europe says
She’s UTTERLY correct. Why, why, oh why do we have any friendship with a country, which funds Muslim terrorism and exports Salafism? They are NOT our friends.
Infidel says
You yourself summarized it above: they underwrite our debt, and also, they’re easily our biggest defense customer. When we have a debt of $22T, a defense deal of $0.5T is nothing to sneeze at.
I don’t like them any more than you do, but we’re not doing anything about our debt, and we don’t have a diversified economy ever since we allowed all manufacturing to migrate first to China, and then elsewhere. So we’re left w/ nothing but bad choices. Not very different from the porn star who pimps herself to put herself thru law school
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
The references to hand-holding with and bowing to Saudi potentates is amusing. Some adviser like Henry Kissinger (or Scott Adams?) probably advised the President that Saudis will be swayed by adopting Saudi ways. Saudi officials are way beyond these petty manipulations, which assume that Arabs are ignorant of the ways of the non-Arab world. Who is manipulating whom?
gravenimage says
Tulsi Gabbard: Government ‘Turning A Blind Eye’ to Saudi Involvement in 9/11
………………..
Gabbard is right on this point.
abad says
Tulsi is right about this, however, the United States needs to kick the entire Moslem Middle East (TM Pending) to the curb. Sever all relations with them, do not give them one cent more, leave them on their own. See how far that will get them.
gravenimage says
Spot on, abad.
peter says
How about Regan who supported Taleban and Alkaida in the name of fighting Godless regime in Afghanistan and we are still paying for his great stupidity .
Infidel says
Neither entity existed during Reagan, although I do blame him for blindly supporting the ‘Mujahideen’ in Afghanistan and letting Gen Zia ul Haq write his Afghanistan policy. Years later, the US had Gulbaddin Heqmatyar listed as a terrorist – one that they were actively bankrolling in the 80s to bleed the Soviets in Afghanistan
Clifford Fodor says
It’s nothing but a big mess. We consider Saudi Arabia to be our ally because they support our dollar as the world’s currency. This enables us to run our national debt to from here all the way to Mars. Instead of adhering to our Christian principles and supporting those who love liberty, we are enslaved to Saudi Arabia.
Terry Gain says
Tulsi Gabbard has turned a blind eye to the Democrat Party’s embrace of totalitarian Islam.
mortimer says
Tulsi Gabbard is saying in public what many military officers will only say in private among other well-informed officers, namely, that Arab countries are covertly promoting jihad against the West.
The complicity of Western governments in the coverup can only be explained by massive bribery and massive blackmail and in the case of Jimmy Carter … by massive naivety.
Sam says
Islam is so evil people just can not understand it. Same with communism. People just don’t want to understand evil So they don’t fight.
Angemon says
“Tulsi Gabbard, the marginally sane candidate in the Democratic presidential field”
Only if by comparison with, for example, “Senile” “Creepy Uncle” Joe and Hillary “Everything is a Russian Conspiracy” Clinton- Tulsi would have the US re-enter the Iranian nuclear deal…
sidney penny says
The enemy (Saudi Arabia) of my enemy (Iran) is my friend.
gravenimage says
Neither one of these Islamic hell holes is your friend, Sidney.
jca reid. says
The hijackers were virtually, if not ALL, Saudis. That’s the country that is stirring up the bother as well. THIS is the county that then Pres. GW Bush should have sorted out! Mind you, I am surprised, instead of going into Iraq, he didn’t invade Venezuela, as it’s a lot closer. Most US Presidents don’t really do Geo-Politics very well.