And it isn’t even on the table that he could call it a jihad attack, although that appears to be exactly what it was. Why is Esper refraining from calling it terrorism? There needs to be a thorough investigation of Saudi influence in the U.S. government, but who would conduct it that isn’t tainted?
Meanwhile, the Saudis are saying all sorts of reassuring things these days, but the fact remains that the ideology they have inculcated into their people is responsible for this attack. Are they going to address that? Is Trump going to call upon them to do so? If not, then all their words of solidarity are hollow.
“US Defense Secretary Says Too Soon to Label Florida Shooting as Terrorist Act,” Asharq Al-Awsat, December 8, 2019:
US Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Saturday it was too soon to label the shooting at the US Navy base in Florida as a terrorist act.
“I can’t say it’s terrorism at this time,” he told a gathering of top US defense and military officials, adding that the investigation needs to proceed. He declined to discuss details of the investigation so far.
Investigations are ongoing in the shooting that saw a Saudi airman open fire at three people at the Naval Air Station Pensacola. Six Saudis were held for questioning.
Federal investigators have not disclosed any motive behind the attack, which unfolded at dawn on Friday when the Saudi national is said to have begun firing a handgun inside a classroom at the base. Three people were killed in the incident. Two sheriff’s deputies were injured, before one of the deputies killed the assailant. Eight others were also hurt.
Saudi officials stressed that such attacks do not reflect the values of the Saudi people….
Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, King Salman bin Abdulaziz, said he has directed Saudi security services to cooperate with US authorities investigating the shooting….
Roderick MacUalraig says
LOL, Oh God! I’m trying to imagine it all even more absurd than it already is but I can’t! You all know what’s needed. And what’s inevitably coming. The American savages will come in to start handling business. Amazing to me how quickly things have devolved for the American Republic. Think the men that fought and secured the Constitution were a bunch of sweet, stupid fellows like the men running things now? They weren’t. American warriors of old were hard drinkers and hard fighters, at sea and on land. They were mean and they were nasty. I’m grateful for them and I LOVE THEM.
keya says
They will call it workplace violence. Heaven forbid that it has anything to do with pisslam.
Niemoller says
These government scum are barely human. They are humanoids who are wed to a vile constructed reality, one intended to avoid harming meticulously (root metus, as in fearful or timid) constructed industrial complex links to large monetary interests (e.g. petrodollars) whether those links are inherently existential threats to the USA and free world or not. They are amoral actors wrapping themselves in the flag.
Roderick MacUalraig says
I have it on good authority that this is currently being planned: The Trump administration along with the Congress, utilizing American taxpayer dollars, are next week going to fly the entire SA royal family and hundreds of distinguished imams into Washington DC where they will solemnly hold a memorial/ awards ceremony on for the jihadis that conducted this attack. Of course this isn’t terrorism! To the American government and their Saudi friends this is HEROISM. Anyone else out there get this piece of intelligence?
Rachele Raanan says
Is this the ceremony headed by Ilhan Omar, awarding a distinguished service medal to Rashida Tlaib? I heard a special blessing is to be given by Bernie Sanders reading from the Koran.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Now see I didn’t get all those details yet! I appreciate that update, Rachele. Keep them coming!
Rachele Raanan says
Will do. All the news that’s fit….
Ren says
Although Defense Secretary on Pensacola jihad massacre can’t say it’s terrorism at this time, he can surely says it is islam.
underbed cat says
Yes that would be accurate. They don’t call it “terrorism”, they call it duty. They also will always be the victim. ….with the smoking gun, knife, crashed truck, plane or limo , …if isis, boko harem, al queda, daesh, and more are protected as not Islamic then what is that name on the flag ? It does not matter which Islamic country they are from….they all read or know the same book of law the only law they recognize…that allows them to’ think” it is justified murder and never have peace.
underbed cat says
Muslims don’t call it “terrorism”….and the leaders have been restricted so as not to offend…but he knows, what this diversity in military will result in, a bad precedent and idea contrary to common sense if you value life or know what they don’t.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Did I say Saudi FRIENDS? I meant their Saudi DADDIES.
Mario Alexis Portella says
+1
Rachele Raanan says
This is unbelievable. The U.S. Defense Secretary, a graduate of West Point, former combat soldier with the rank of lieutenant colonel and recipient of the Bronze Star ‘can’t say if it’s terrorism at this time.’ Does he think it could have been an accident? Act of God? What kind of evidence is this federal investigation looking for? Have they all lost their marbles?
Mario Alexis Portella says
Trump is as phony with Saudi Arabia as his false promise to fully ban Muslims from entering our country. Here’s the link when he said so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA
Infidel says
Yeah, the 10 or so countries that he has in the travel ban need to be expanded to cover Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Kuwait, Bahrein, Qatar, Emirates and Jordan. The issue’s not merely people from Somalia, Yemen or the others already in the list.
Also, while the US may have political differences w/ Venezuela and North Korea, that doesn’t automatically imply that their people hate the US and have to be vetted as closely as Saudis or Pakistanis or any other Muslim people
Mario Alexis Portella says
+1 You may find this one interesting https://thegreatarchitect.blog/2019/12/07/3642/
Infidel says
One thing that your linked article got wrong was the claim that none of the countries on the list had terrorist acts in the US. Last year, a car attack in Ohio State University was done by a Somali, and other than that, it made perfect sense to have Iraq and Syria in the list.
Only thing – countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and others belong on the list as well
gravenimage says
Note that Mario Alexis Portella often attributes Jihad terror to America, not Islam.
Infidel says
Gravenimage, while that would be wrong, it’s a popular misconception – particularly w/ official DC, which is wholly paid for by Riyadh – that the Shias are a bigger threat to the world than the Sunnis. That is completely contradicted by almost all Jihadist attacks that have happened in the US since 9/11 – excepting just one – the one by Mahmoud Taheriazar at UNC, Chapell Hill in the 2000s.
However, the claim in the blog that he linked to that nobody from Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya did any terror attacks is partly false (the Ohio attack was done by a Somalian student) and also, the travel ban itself was a preventative move for countries that were either downright hostile to the US (like Iran and Sudan) or which did not have sources of reliable information on its people, like Somalia or Syria. That said, it doesn’t make sense to have those countries on the list but not countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrein, Bangladesh and so on.
They need to add those countries, and the best time to do that is quietly while the impeachment hearings and the release of the IG report is on.
gravenimage says
Infidel, I certainly agree that the travel ban should be expanded.
And while the US and other Western nations have certainly made mistakes from time to time, the implication that it is the West or any other part of Dar-al-Harb that is responsible for Jihad terror is quite mistaken.
gravenimage says
The Sunnis and Shia are both a threat–there are certainly more Sunnis, though.
Martin says
Defense Secretary Mark Esper discusses challenges to US national security
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvk_O3eCcIc
oldschool says
take this guy out of government. he needs to be taking out the garbage at some elementary school. he’s had all this “training” – what,exactly, did he train in? Cuck Studies?
Mario Alexis Portella says
This is the problem https://thegreatarchitect.blog/2019/12/07/3642/
Dan says
Just shut up already.
If there were equal incidents carried out by other foreign students, or Russian or Communist infiltrators, or spies and saboteurs, even some American civilians, but it’s ALWAYS Muslims.
Muslims, Muslims, back stabbing Muslims.
I spent almost two years sailing from Australia back to Ameriac, via the Indian Ocean, and the Arabian, Red and Med, and the ONLY TIMES we were in life threatening situations, or had problems with lying to our faces thieves and bandits were in or near every single Muslim country on route.
It’s Muslim terrorism. Muslim terrorism, Muslim terrorism, and it’s NEVER this “Lone Wolf” garbage. There may only be one attacker, but they ALWAYS have an in country support network.
Otherwise scum like Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and what her latest scum face, Pennsylvania State Representative Movita Johnson-Harrel, wouldn’t ever be elected.
James Lincoln says
Yes Dan, very true – and very sad…
The free world needs to understand this – or they will no longer be free…
gravenimage says
Good post, Dan.
Jay says
This is terrorism – pure and simple!! Send these Muslims to Gitmo ! Saudi Arabia better support the USA in this mess too!! Why would rhe USA ever ever allow these Saudi Muslims onto a USA military case??
It’s insanity on steroids!!
God bless and save America!!!????????
roberta says
The suspense is ripping me to pieces. Please hurry up and tell me how this is my (our) fault.
It has to be our fault, its always something the USA did. The white man is behind it.
Explain to me how islam is not the problem. Help me wrap my head around it.
When do we light the candles and heal? The interfaith dinner? The dialog?
Where’s the Pope when I need him?
gravenimage says
Yep.
oldschool says
I think they are just drumming up business for the Chinese teddy bear factories.
Savvy Kafir says
“I can’t say it’s terrorism at this time.”
Translation: “I refuse to say that this was terrorism, no matter how obvious that may be, to everyone”
somehistory says
The expression on his face and the look in his eyes reminds me of “The Stepford Wives.” The original with Ms. Ross and Ms. Prentiss. Recall Paula cutting up the vegetables?
Blank, no thoughts behind the skin, no brain. The question for him is, “When can you say it’s terrorism?”
Every one knows it. A child could figure it out if given all of the facts. Such protection for the “image of the wild beast.” They must keep that image intact. But, the Truth will out and has already.
rubiconcrest says
Esper, without giving anything away could have just as easily said, ‘everything points to this being an act of terrorism from twitter, to the party the night before to the Saudi caught filming and others watching from a car … but we’re not 1000% certain just yet’.
Wellington says
Sick of this shit.
gravenimage says
Defense Secretary on Pensacola jihad massacre: “I can’t say it’s terrorism at this time”
……………….
What a tool.
Mary Letty says
This is giving me chills. Is it all because of our dependence on petroleum dollars?
Infidel says
Not so much that, as much as the fact that there are billions of $$$ of weapons sales that Saudi Arabia is getting. This is on Esper’s side. On the president’s side, there’s also the fact that the Saudis underwrite our debt and invest heavily in Wall Street
abad says
Alshamrani needs to be deported.
Moslems in the USA should be very afraid of deportation as none of them have a “right” to be here.
Infidel says
He is dead, so hardly matters!
gfmucci says
No wonder we’re screwed. With leaders like this, who needs jihadis/
Giacomo Latta says
Is it terrorism when a group simply wants to kill as many of you as possible? Perhaps not. But so what? We have to call an enemy an enemy and defend ourselves in a way of our choosing.
MINAS says
I wonder if the shooter used his Saudi issued service sidearm or was it a US issued loaner? How did he get a weapon, are our “allies” allowed to just walk around the base packing heat.
Trick_or_Treat says
“Allies” ?
Treva Bennett says
Arm our people on our military Bases Allowing them to be targets is a national disgrace.
Roderick MacUalraig says
You’re right. It is a disgrace. Military bases should be unbreakable citadels of strength and protection. They should be known as safe havens. They should be known as the places where the baddest and toughest men and women in America live.
The men responsible for this happening are WEAK. Flaccid in mind, body, and spirit. They play golf then sit around drinking the finest Scotch on earth and laughing at everyone. They don’t learn from history, even recent history, and take proper action. This should be obvious to every citizen in this country.
What’s ironic is that there truly are men in glass boxes that say Break In The Event of War Only. Men that drink the GI special whisky and rum out of the PX. Men that are real fighters. I’m not suggesting that we should completely uncage them but we can at least let them in on the security planning process, RIGHT!?
Your thoughts run in the same direction as the rest of the thinking and awake portion of the citizenry… IT IS A DISGRACE! And if the military can’t even protect itself, aboard its own installations IN OUR OWN COUNTRY… how is supposed to protect the nation?
owensgate says
And about falling rain: “I can’t say it’s gravity at this time”.
toomanyhobbies says
AWWW did someone P!$$ in his Wheaties?
Linda Rivera says
The Defense Secretary must explain to the American public which country he is Secretary of Defense for. It’s certainly NOT America.
sheliak says
Useless, bloated, pointless US military tasked with the sole purpose of pumping trillions of taxpayer dollars to corporate cons and corrupt intelligence agencies.protecting nothing and no one but their own power interests. They will not even protect our southern border much less counter worldwide jihad. Disband the whole farce.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Disband. And let it reform naturally. It will be EPIC!
Because you’re right. PC has completely rotted it out… and fraud, waste, and corruption are the rule now.
It’s absolutely shameful and disgusting.
It massively dishonors the men and women that secured all the liberties for us in the first place.
gravenimage says
Yes, Roderick, there are huge problems with the US military, as this story among others makes clear.
But with all respect, dismantling the US armed forces and “letting it reform naturally” would actually put us in even more danger. The military here did not form by accident.
Roderick MacUalraig says
I agree. I was just imagining the original formations of militaries in general, the rawness. But I do agree. Wish there was a ay to clear away all the rot and cancer, however. I do think it’s to far gone. Unfortunately only massive war will do that.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Roderick.
Marigold says
After 9/11 there should be no Americans fooled by such a silly remark when it comes to the Saudis.