This shows the power of propaganda to warp people’s perceptions of reality and get them all worked up about chimeras, all in the service of a massive expansion of state control.
“Europeans fear climate change more than terrorism, unemployment or migration,” by Jan Strupczewski, Reuters, November 28, 2019:
BRUSSELS (Reuters) – Almost half of all Europeans fear climate change more than losing a job or of a terrorist attack, a study by the European Investment Bank (EIB) showed on Thursday as EU lawmakers declared a “climate emergency”.
The EIB survey of 30,000 respondents from 30 countries, including China and the United States, showed 47% of Europeans saw climate change as the number one threat in their lives, above unemployment, large scale migration and concerns about terrorism.
“European citizens are highly concerned about climate change and its impact on their everyday life and future,” said Emma Navarro, EIB Vice-President responsible for climate action and the environment.
“Interestingly, many of them are optimistic about the possibility to reverse it. Unfortunately, science says otherwise. We have one shot at limiting global warming and mitigating its effects,” she said….
mgoldberg says
I imagine it’s the European meme, similar to the impeachment meme here in the U.S. The lie, that supersedes reasonable discourse. They need to control the narrative(s) so they’ve chosen the one that has can occupy papers, news headlines, and take the populations away from the ever increasing deterioration of european culture, history and the national crises looming on all those western european nations that have chosen to end all fealty to their own history and and culture- seeing them as simply failed and guilty of ‘oppression’ of others, and of the ‘climate’.
But the ‘climate’- the real climate being decimated is the one of reasonable analysis of history, and the strength and accomplishments of the ‘west’ that gave som much good, to the world. Seeing it only as ‘oppressive’ is the same as seeing ‘climate’ as ‘oppressed’ by the west. It is a chimera, a dodge, and actually false. But that is where they must take the narrative lest the people see what they are being sold.
Frank Anderson says
+1
Mark Swan says
Absolutely mgoldberg.
nicu says
Fully agree , too !
Westman says
It’s interesting to note that in Europe the image of “Big Brother” has been replaced with the face of “Little Sister” – Gretta.
Felix Quigley says
Notso. It is the right of the young woman to give her point of view.Do you as an American not defend that right?
revereridesagain says
Not the issue. She has the right to flap her jaws about any nonsense she wishes to. The point is that “Big Brother”, the face of government thought control in “1984”, has been replaced by that of this foolish child spouting irrational nonsense people are expected to accept as truth OR ELSE.
gravenimage says
Why is Felix Quigley pretending that being critical of someone’s views is the same as censoring them?
Because as a hard-core Communist he understands nothing about freedom of speech.
Felix Quigley says
If it is a dodge as you write then you have take the dodge not avoid showing in whqt precisely the science is wrong.Yiu have to take their scientific explanations and show where they are either mistaken or where they are falsifying the data. That you simply have not done. You may have done it elsewhere but it is NOT here
gravenimage says
Is Felix Quigley concerned about Jihad terror? Not so he says…
Felix Quigley says
Gravenimage…of course i am opposed to Islam which is a particularly obnxious and dangerous ideology and in that respect I am very much in support of Jihadwatch. Here we are talking about Global Warming and it is my contention that Global Warming will bring a degree of terror on the world, people and animals alike, that is hare for us to imagine. It is not one or the other. That seems to be the mistake you are making. But I say further that a backward ideology like Islam will hold us back from how to deal with Global Warming in the only way possible, stop filling the atmosphere with the warming gas carbon dioxide. By the way many in this post make the critical mistake and do not recognize that carbon dioxide is two things, not one, it is food for plants and is also a warming greenhouse gas
St. Ferdinand III says
Morons worried about the plant food trace chemical .0004 atmospheric gas by weight.
No science supports the silliness that the trace chemical necessary for life has any impact on anything. Not a single shred of evidence exists, just data fraud, data manipulation, fear mongering and $1 Trillion p.a. in subsidies, hand-outs, grants and propaganda coinage.
Then again the Euros gave us Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Nazism – all of which were ‘scientifically’ proved.
1400 years of Moslem and 250 million dead – well not enough evidence for these huge brains, these ‘cultured’ superiors, these ‘experts of all’ to worry about……
St. Ferdinand III says
*Moslem Jihad (including the reduction of huge parts of Europe and 10-15 million dead and enslaved White Europeans…)
Felix Quigley says
You call climate scientists morons but it is you…carbon dioxide enters the atmosphere and it has as a trace gas an effect on the atmosphere.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“The Great Global Warming Swindle”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBb-ETuzbzw
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
This video is repeatedly pull down by youtube but people keep reposting it.
Felix Quigley says
In fact,and it saddensme to say it, global warming is all too real.
I am amazed that an intelligent man like Robert Spencer should write like this, and join with the likes of David Icke and Richie Allen who is a sidekick of Icke, in calling it a “chimera”. That was the word that stood out.
I am planning to start reading his book tonight The Palestinian Delusion and I know I will find factual material, but in the above Spencer does not deal in any way with facts.
They need to control the narrative says the comment above…that is pure Alex Jones, David Icke or Richie Allen, Roy Spencer and all these types.
If you want to discuss this do so on the basis of science not conspiracy theory. The alternative to discussing it on science, and there is only one, is to keep your mouths shut. Just deal with the science.
You are attacking science just as the Arabs attacked science in the treatment of history
ConstantineXI says
I disagree with you. Spencer is right on climate change. Even if you believe the climate change alarmists, their “solutions” to alleged climate change don’t even make sense. The same people who are climate alarmists oppose nuclear power and fracking(which reduce greenhouse gases), and often propose giving exemptions for emissions standards to China and India(who are leaders in greenhouse gas emissions). The alarmists have also often overhyped their predictions and, as Spencer correctly points out, their “solutions” almost always involve the state gaining huge increases in power.
Felix Quigley says
The state or states gaining increases of power..you speaklike David Icke or some leftie and it is totally not relevant. The great fear is runaway global warming and the governments of the world denying this as does Trump, not doing anything as will Johnson, and the whole world becoming uninhabitable.
vlparker says
The warming stopped 20 years ago. That’s why they changed it from global warming to climate change. Reality didn’t cooperate with their theories.
Giacomo Latta says
Not only that but the dinosaurs are in danger. Oh, that’s right, it’s too late for them. Well, I don’t know how we did it because the universe hadn’t create us yet, but we did it. I wonder if the swamps near the Arctic circle that were the habitat for those giant lizards were warmer than today’s climate in the same regions? Maybe Greta can take her catamaran there to spend the winter. She can take a pet lizard with her. I’m sure they’ll both do quite well.
roberta says
Yeah, Im pretty sure Robert Spencer will be on a climate change conference call today with the leaders of China, India, and other septichole countries.
Si Se Puede Si Se Puede Down with the USA Death to America /sarc
Felix Quigley says
To rely on sarcasm facing such a serious issue is the mark of a fool…sorry!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Ad hominem attacks and appeals to authority are not valid scientific arguments. View the video posted above. The first IPCC report was a fraud perpetrated to embark on the road to world government and taxation.
The climate change movement is not based on science; it is based on “group think” and the bad human tendency for religious fanaticism. Yes, much of present day “Environmentalism” is little more than religious fanaticism.
roberta says
Mr. Felix, before you turn the pitcher up and drink all of the kool-aid try and consider the past history of the people who are selling climate change.
That in itself should bring skepticism.
I kinda hope you are just funnin us.
St. Ferdinand III says
What Science?
Plant food causes climate?
You are stupid.
Westman says
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.” – Voltaire
Climate Change(Gobal Warming) is the new religion for Europe, demanding the same faith in the unknown as belief in God; leading to ire toward the unbeliever and skeptics.
Yet, it is built on many assumptions including the ability to actually measure the average temperature of the earth and divine, by rocks and ancient ice, what it was before humans could write – simply because of faith in the New Priests, the Scientists, who preach it, yet cannot prove it. And like the Old Priests, the New Priests say it is your “sin” that caused Global Warming, and you must repent with all your resources and minimize the energy you expend.
Global Warming is the replacement religion of Europe, filling the uneasiness of an examined life that seemed to have no purpose. It won’t be the last new-age religion.
What Islam is doing to Europe is far more predictable and immediate than predicting the future Delta(change) in Global Climate. It will be interesting to observe which first becomes intolerable, Islam or Climate Change.
Felix Quigley says
You are mistaken. Global Warming is not a sin.It is caused by the capitalist system rapidly putting into the atmosphere increased amounts of CO2, or Carbon Dioxide, which has a warming effect on earth
Bella says
Solar flares determine climate. We’re actually now in a cooling phase not warming.
Westman says
Sorry Felix, but you’re only repeating a mantra. Show us how to measure the average temperature of the earth and divine what it was for the past 10,000 years or you’re only believing in assumptions that give a wanted result from a model. By the way, I didn’t say there was no global warming – I said the methods are flawed so the actuality is still a guess, not fact.
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley *hates* capitalism.
Never mind that environmental health is far worse in Communist hellholes.
mgoldberg says
He was not attacking ‘science’, but he is trying to resurrect actual past and present history. Climate ‘change’ is a complex issue, but the fact that globalist interests forbid any discussion is the denial that is important in the climate change issue. It should be more than apparent to you that the discussion of the crimes commited in the name of ‘global warming’ e.g. the hockey stick falsehood of Mann at Penn State, the falsification of climate data is verboten to discuss.
It is by no means a settled science, and the reality is that globalist nations in this case the EU prevent any analysis that shoes anything false about the climate change narrative. That is tyranny, intellectual, and political. That is a current historical reality. The hijira forced upon the European nations by socialist globalists, and muslim nations is far far worse a problem and far worse in that denial, than any of this ‘climate change’ issue. It is current and it is murdering people daily.
Felix Quigley says
I hope to reply to this in two parts.
Firstly the calculations of Mnn have been proven to be correct.Michael Manis a very noted scientist. There was no falseness at all in his work. I am reminded of those who claim Robert Spencer is false towards Islam and the Palestinians.Not true. Nor is Mann either false.
Secondly what has Islam to do with this issue.Nothing at ll except that Islam will hold humanity back from dealing with any problem, in this case Islam holds us back from dealing with this global warming problem.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Dr Mann has, up to this day, refused to release the data and methodology that he use to produce his now very famous “hockey-stick graph.” This is not science; scientists are expected to share their methods for reproducibility, and their data. And yet he says the data and the methods are his property. Yet he is publicly funded and employed by a publicly funded university.
But one does not need to look at his data to falsify his hockey-stick graph. The data-backed and confirmed Holocene Climatic Optimum, the Medieval Warming Period and the Little Ice Age of the 1600s all disprove the straight line part of his graph.
An interesting aside: There is a disclosed email interaction where scientists from East Anglia University bemoan these facts (temperature maximums and minimums) and that they need to find a way to make these “aberrations” to the hockey-stick graph “go away!”
There is, however, a verified relationship between the global temperature and CO2 levels. But the relationship is the INVERSE of what they would have you believe. From ice core samples, we find that when the temperature goes up (due primarily to the sun’s activity) the CO2 levels goes up. Yes, that’s right, when the temperature goes up, the CO2 level follows, not the other way around as the man-made climate change camp would have you believe! There is about an 800 year lag in this causal relationship. This lag is due to the fact that the oceans are a huge repository of dissolved and fixed CO2. The oceans release their CO2 stores over this period of time. When the global temperature goes down the oceans reabsorb the atmospheric CO2. It should be noted that nowhere in nature is there a causal effect where the “effect” precedes the “cause.” (Not even in Quantum Mechanics!) Therefore, on the face of it, man-made (CO2) driven climate change is false.
As if that isn’t enough, plant biology gives us even more evidence that man-made driven climate change is a hoax. Presently atmospheric CO2 level is at about 407 ppm. Botanist know that plants CO2-starve at about 200 ppm. So if we were to halve the CO2 levels to “save the planet” we would end up starting a massive plant-life kill off! Botanists also know that plant growth optimizes at about 1600 ppm; that is FOUR TIMES the present atmospheric CO2 levels. Every nursery owner knows this. This is why nursery owners will pump CO2 into their greenhouses. So this tells us that plants have evolved to thrive at an average CO2 level that is four times the present. Since this is an average, we can conclude that the CO2 levels have been much, much higher than 1600 ppm!
And as if that isn’t enough, there is a recent paper that has come out (I have had a hard time finding it on the internet – I wonder why?) that shows that our climate’s “greenhouse” system is not closed. In other words, the system release most if not all the excess energy it traps.
Do I need to go on? Let’s. The models, oh those climate models. Run anyone of them on past measured weather (known starting point data from the past) and ALL OF THEM fail to predict subsequent recorded weather.
Q.E.D.
vlparker says
Okay, here’s some science for you. The Sahara Desert used to be at the bottom of the sea. So did much of the western US. Not anymore. Now that’s what I call climate change and human beings didn’t have anything to do with it. So drastic changes are normal and natural.
Every 8 year old knows that the earth has been in and out of glacial periods which is obviously caused by changing temperatures. Normal and natural, probably caused by the Milankovitch cycles. Ice core samples suggest that CO2 levels were as high as 5000 ppm in the past, not the current 400 ppm. And satellite pictures show that the earth is getting greener due to the increase in CO2.
Felix Quigley says
I am glad somebody tries science. That is a novelty in this thread on Jihadwatch!
Yes the earth has went through dramatic climatic events, of course unrelated to man.
The worrying and even terrifying thing today is the RAPID warming of the earth
…At a time when the earth should in reality be cooling…And the only possible reason we are not cooling is the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere.
Methane release is a whole different and even more serious ball game.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Regarding methane.
The CO2 chicanery didn’t work to implement a UN backed world government so now let’s find another pretext: methane levels.
To that I say, ‘fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!’
Enough of the Chicken Little Syndrome.
Wellington says
Felix QuigleyL Again you get things wrong if you mean that any global warming since the late 19th century is man-made (or almost none at all—to a nugatory, insignificant amount). To date, NO scientific evidence exists that any warming, or almost any warming, in the climate is due to man. NONE.
If you doubt me, then cite the evidence. I say you can’t. All that exists to support man-made climate change are computer model projections and correlation studies, neither of which constitutes scientific evidence and each of which has a notorious track record for accuracy. Computer model projections are so awful that they can’t even backcast temperatures correctly let alone forecast them.
Here are more facts, which supporters of the greatest environmental hysteria of all time, “tend” to overlook: 1) The oceans and seas of the world pump out into the atmosphere some 190-230 gigatons of CO2 annually. Mankind, by comparison, puts out into the atmosphere on a yearly basis about 15-20 gigatons of CO2. Yet mankind is causing global warming. Right. 2) A thousand years ago the climate was warmer than it is today–not many factories or SUVs around back then, no? This is the phenomenon known as the medieval warming period (and Mann’s stupid hockey stick excuse long ago was completely discredited). 3) When the hell did CO2 become a poison? It’s food for plants. 4) CO2 in the atmosphere accounts for .04% of the atmosphere. This is a mere four hundred parts per million and the earth has experienced in past ages (long before man was around) as much as 8,000 parts per million of CO2. 5) Back in the midst of the Paleozoic Era, some 400 million years ago, the atmosphere had 8-10 times more CO2 than it does now and yet the earth at that time went through an horrific ice age, far more extensive than the last “puny” ice age which ended with the retreat of the Wurm (Wisconsin) glaciation some 12,000 years ago. If CO2, which actually acts as a COOLANT in upper reaches of the atmosphere, causes global warming (it doesn’t), how do you explain this Paleozoic “phenomenon?” Ocean currents and solar activity are the chief causes of warming or cooling over the vast history of the planet earth, not anything man has done or not done.
I could write much more, but you have bought into the nonsense of man-made climate change as much as you have bought into the nonsense of Marxism being something sapient, effective and good. And once again I assert that NO scientific evidence exists which supports the man-climate change nonsense. NONE. Prove me wrong. I say you can’t.
gravenimage says
+1
Terry says
You say: “If you want to discuss this do so on the basis of science not conspiracy theory.” So……
Based on the logic of this quote, I don’t think you realize that it is YOU who need to reassess your position on the current climate change hysteria which is the real conspiratorial theory.
You see, CO2 is not the cause of global warming. Rather, the increase of CO2 lags behind temperature increase. In other words, the rise in temperature is responsible for the increase in CO2. Read the book: Inconvenient Facts by Gregory Wrightstone, a geologist who did research for 35 years. You might want to read this book before you denigrate the deniers of human cause for climate change.
If we should discuss issues based on science and not conspiracy, then your remark to “keep your mouths shut” actually applies to you. FYI my academic preparation was in planetary geophysics and my discussion here is based on science .
gravenimage says
Good post.
Matt says
Who is funding the protesters? That will tell the real story.
andrew mckendrick says
The question I would like to ask the alarmists regarding global warming is if 400 ppm C02 is too much , what level should it be?
Infidel says
It’s funny how ‘global warming’ got rebranded climate change since every year in this millennium was a cooling off period. While part of it may be due to aging, these days I find myself wearing warmer clothes than I used to, even in summer.
FYI says
It is so c-c-c-cold here at the Pope francis Vatican-sponsored St Greta Thunberg Global Warming research group…brrrr..extra coats will be needed.
If you look up ‘Global cooling’.:.apparently 2019 has been one of the COLDEST years on record{and note these are NASA scientists..}
brrrr..like Oates of the Captain Scott Expedition
“I am just going outside and i may be some time”
roberta says
Ive had quite a bit of exposure to Europeans, most seem decent enough people. BUT:
From a very early age Europeans are taught not to stray from the government line.
To get to their true beliefs you have to talk to them in a one on one situation.
In short, they knew what answer the surveyors wanted to hear, and dutifully gave them
the proper answer. Plus, they can be fined or worse if they say anything that sounds like an insult to islam.
mortimer says
‘Climate change’ is a grift.
This green-on-the-outside/red-on-the-inside fake frenzy is really just a set of intertwined GRIFTS transparently designed to separate you from your FREEDOM and your property in the name of somehow adjusting the weather.
The climate is not static. The planet gets hotter, it gets colder, sometimes quickly, sometimes over eons, and there are a bunch of reasons why, like the sun and volcanos. Human-produced carbon might be one of the factors, but there’s simply no evidence that it is a significant one. Of course, if they really cared about carbon, they would be up in arms about China and India, which are upping their output while we are slashing ours.
The ‘climate change’ is a grift. The purpose of this Leftist scam is to take away the freedoms and civil liberties of the little people and place all power in the hands of huge international corporations and their lapdog politicians. This political system is called ‘fascism’, but it is new kind of fascism … internationalist fascism.
Infidel says
One thing I’m in favor of – if Leftists like AOC don’t breed, the world will be better off. Of course, Comrades Ilhan and Rashida haven’t gotten that memo: in their cases, Islam triumphed over climate change and they got knocked up by their owners.
In India, the air quality is absolutely abysmal due to the burning of agricultural waste, and they’re now mandating equipment that shreds that as opposed to burning it. But they need to modernize their factories and cut down on emissions if they want to fix their air quality
Felix Quigley says
The huge corporations are the essence of capitalism today and for many a moon since. And the biggest of these are oil and gas. Tied to these are banks. That is capitalism. That is not Fascism in any way. You surprisingly have no understanding what Fascism is.
Other than that you are a DENIER OF SCIENCE…as was Hitlerby the wayalso a denier of science.
Infidel says
They need to crack down on educational institutions in the west and have them focus on STEM, as opposed to the arts. That way, we can better close the skills gap and also end the propaganda that our colleges let out that we can be any gender we choose.
vlparker says
That’s very smart of the Europeans because it is climate change that is driving the terrorism. If we stop pumping CO2 into the atmosphere the Islamic terrorism will go away. Didn’t you know that, Robert?
Mark Berlinger says
Milankovic cycles determine the Earth’s climate, and certainly not the life-giving trace gas CO2.
Don’t fall for the solar panel scam. They are only a 1% solution for power we need. And they don’t work when the power grid is off. The idea that solar energy is clean and green, and can replace fossil fuels as a reliable source of energy is a hoax. Grid-tie residential and commercial solar systems feed power to the electrical grid, not to homes or businesses. When the grid goes down solar panels stop working.
Westman says
I’ve noticed that in our 24-hour industrial production cycle that my Solar panels stop working when Sol is absent. He just doesn’t seem be a reliable employee. Maybe we’ll have to hire someone from the Nuke family for the night shift.
Lydia Church says
This ‘climate change’ crisis is one of the big playing cards of the globalists to usher in a NWO. The environment and ‘saving the planet’ will be the slogans to usher in all sorts of evils. Now I’m not saying that there are no changes taking place, such as rising sea levels. But I am not a scientist and I do not know what the source or sources are for these effects. I do know that during the end times there will be catastrophic natural disasters and that is a Biblical thing as a mandate from God. I have also heard that the planet and thus the galaxy is headed for an area of collision with asteroids and meteorites within the next few years. That creates massive weather changes and planetary effects. I also feel that these two will coincide in the sense of collision and God’s timing for judgment.
Whatever the case may be, (Biblical prophecy will be fulfilled, that is a certainty), they are using the climate change thing for their globalist takeover agenda. Mark my words. I heard about all the protests recently that took place globally about climate change and all the hoopla over this will only increase.
simpleton1 says
So how does their reasoning on climate change work?
Letting slip the real controlling agenda concepts in their article.
The plan is to get rid of all the leaders and replace them with their socialist program & people
So really green on the outside, to con every one, and a true bloody rage red on the inside.
In training to be a ruthless cult.
WildWelshWoman says
Here’s the thing… “climate change” won’t kill you.
But Islamic terrorism will.
Frank Anderson says
I have worked for electric utilities since 1970 as a co-op student, engineer, supervisor, lawyer and contract advisor. Included in my work were coal, natural gas and nuclear plants. This is the brief version of what I learned.
Nuclear power generation was sold in the 1950’s when my father would read about it in magazines before I could read as too cheap to meter because of the low fuel cost. At that time, without allowing for waste disposal, the fuel was expected to cost about 1 cent per kilowatt hour. It is still around 2 cents, still not considering reprocessing or disposal cost. Reprocessing reduces the volume needed for storage approximately 20 times, and the time needed to decay to near normal background levels from 10,000’s of years to a few hundred.
Jimmy Carter who claims to be a nuclear engineer, but who cannot pronounce the word nuclear correctly, decreed that the US would be the only country in the world which does not reprocess spent nuclear fuel to set an example followed by no other country against weapons proliferation. A standard nuclear reactor using Low Enriched Uranium automatically produces about enough Plutonium each year to make between 25 and 50 bombs. The Plutonium can be used both for bombs or fuel.
The cost of the plant was never presented along with the story (being polite) about the low cost of the fuel. If the fuel were absolutely free, because of the cost of the plant, by the time it is ready to run means more than 30 cents per kilowatt hour, about 3 times the cost of comparable coal plants. At present it takes about 6000 Million dollars to build a plant; but we can’t be sure about that number because the 4 plants being built under the Obama guarantee by the Southern Company, Oglethorpe EMC and South Carolina utilities are over budget and behind schedule, with the general contractor in bankruptcy.
German experience after they declared nuclear power forbidden following Fukushima show it costs approximately twice as much and takes twice as long to decommission a nuclear plant as it does to build it. When the plants were promoted, it was imagined the reactors could be annealed in place after becoming too hard for safe operation in between 40 and 60 years. That has not been proven by experience. The tragic fact is that all of the plant other than the reactor vessel is useable for more or less 100 years with maintenance considered routine in other steam plants.
Coal has its own problems. Transportation is quite often by a railroad under “captive shipper” conditions, where the utility has only one available means of transportation, and the rates are totally uncontrolled by regulation. I am familiar with one plant where the cost of transportation was about 5 times the cost of the coal at the mine. Coal plants produce scrubber sludge where sulfur dioxide is removed, and fly ash, at the rate of more or less 15 tons for every 100 tons of coal burned. If produced under ideal conditions, the fly ash can be used in highway construction and other places as a marginal substitute for concrete. But the scrubber sludge is forever, and contains heavy poisonous metals that never decay. Carbon dioxide scrubbing increases the cost of power at the plant about 50 percent, reduces the net output about 10 percent, and produces for one large plant near me over a cubic mile of liquified carbon dioxide per year by my estimate.
Wind power includes a never mentioned problem-dust in the air eats the plastic blades. The towers vibrate and will work harden like a coat hanger bent too many times. The gears in the drive train wear out. A windmill (turbine) must obey the “cube-law” which means if it produces 3,000 kilowatts at 40 miles per hour steady wind, it produces less than 375 kilowatts at 20, and shuts down completely if the wind drops below 15. I have heard sworn testimony that such windmills must be replaced after approximately 30 years.
Solar panels make people feel good. But the numbers show them to be marginal at best if real savings on the Total Cost of Owning is considered. At best they produce less than 2500 hours per year, of 8766 hours in a year. It takes energy to make and install them, they age and suffer degradation from climate, and then must be disposed as waste.
Before committing to any “cause” it may be a good idea to ask critical questions. There is no free lunch, even when the “fuel” is free. Everything being done by “climate friendly” countries to reduce their emissions, is being undone by China and India building large coal fired plants as fast as they can. If this continues the cost of electricity in the sucker countries will be so high that industries cannot compete with those in China and India, among others who know what is going on.
Walter Sieruk says
On June first of the year 2017 on television on the Smithsonian channel was a program about the ecology and the dangers posed to it that would be harmful for all living things, including humans. Likewise in Summit on the subject of climate change held in Europe by the different countries in the ecology is, very obviously, viewed as a very important topic to many people.
Therefore, all of this is a strong reminder that once when I was watching television a scientist was interviewed and he was, most likely, sincere when he said the in forty years unless drastic changes were enacted to stop the pollution of the environment living conditions on earth will be uninhabitable for all life. So environmental issues of this plaint are extremely important. The point is that interview with that scientist on television was in the year 1967. Now it’s the year 2017 and thus fifty years sine he said “In forty years “ there will be awful environmental disaster. This should tell all thinking people something.
Felix Quigley says
Walter Sieruk you tell this ramblingstory about some scientist speaking on tv 50 years ago. Have you any idea at all what is the basic mechanism of global warming?
Clearsighted says
FQ, you are a terribly repetitive bore who appears to have more than a little difficutly understanding simple logic. Walter Sieruk’s story simply pointed out that he watched an interview with an “expert” FIFTY years after the interview was conducted in which the “expert” predicted the that the world would end given in FORTY years. A child would grasp his point.
So, I ask you Felix: Have you any idea at all what is the basic mechanism of climate change? If so, please explain it to us. Make sure that your explanation can account for both the documented climate history of of the Earth as well as accurately predict the future.
gravenimage says
The point Walter was making is that hysteria over ‘climate change’ has always been alarmist claptrap.
Remember that Al Gore was inspired to create “An Inconvenient Truth” because he saw a fictional disaster movie about catastrophic global *cooling*.
Felix Quigley says
Clearsighted
“FQ, you are a terribly repetitive bore who appears to have more than a little difficutly understanding simple logic. ”
I may be a boring person. I am not sure. Anyway i am the only one I have so I have to put up with me! Do not worry I have a thick skin!
The main issue these stories keep being spun out but they do not in the end matter. All that matters is are they right about CO2 and how can we find out.
I find many of these scientists, like Michael Mann, to be very cautious.
Felix Quigley says
Nothing else really matters. If Global Warming takes off in a runaway mode or situation then it is all over for the Jews at last too. Israel will not be defendable or sustainable. the barren Arab lands will return to desert. the Arabs will invade everywhere. the Chinese Empire of Mao will come tumbling down in chaos. America, north south and Canada, will be drowned in chaos. Catherine Hayhoe a Texas scientist gives stark warnings. UK is already run over by very hostile cultures, get what you can while you can. Islam is a scavenging type culture. France even now is lost to this. the present governments of the world are paralysed on every issue but the issue of runaway global warming will kill off all of these governments.
The ignorance on this issue on this website is horrific. it is led by Robert Spencer. All kinds of “crap” are advanced. Get some knowledge before you all open your big mouths. Understand that if left to the sun and its relation to the earth then there would be no life whatsoever on earth today and we would have earth as Iceball. Correct not “we would have” we would not exist.
It is in fact down to the atmosphere and what happens in the atmosphere. CO2 has been key but it is a delicate balance and capitalism over the past 150 years has upset this balance.
Catherine Hayhoe uses the blanket analogy. This blanket caused by CO2 which in turn is caused largely by burning of fossil fuel will end life on earth.
But your barren stupidity has already wasted too much time. I could in fact be much more brutal and insulting but I will refrain.
gravenimage says
Not a big fan of Anti-Jihadist Robert Spencer, I see, Who can be surprised by this?
Mike says
The answer is easy : there is no danger to fear if you demonstrate for climate change. if you demonstrate against jihad , watch out !!!!
Felix Quigley says
Runaway global warming will place everything in a new and different context. The old issues and problems are going to be transformed, how, who can say, but nothing will be the same.
The ideology of Islam is about the worst dammed ideology I have ever met. Evil and backward.
In this coming period of great chaos I see great dangers for the Jewish people once again, but it is consumed inside of total chaos in the world.
What to do? the very least is not to be stupid and to make the reality of Islam, and Palestinism comes from that, totally known.
In that sense I am approaching this great effort by Robert The Palestinian Delusion with utmost seriousness.
Hopefully I make the BBC my number one target. the BBC has infected the whole of the world. it is pure evil and pure Jew Hating.
In my opinion still forming you cannot face up tot he issue of global warming without at the same time fighting to free the minds of people from Jew Hatred. Britain is the worst. I am always in conflict with them on this.
Mike you are blinded by your prejudice. the warriors fighting against global warming, as in Extinction Rebellion, are prepared to go to jail and get a criminal record. They are no sit at home nobodies.
But you say if you fight against Islam you are in for it. But not Global Warming.
This is very shallow thinking. It is not cut and dried. Some of the Media are really hostile to ER. You must keep a more open mind, keep your eyes open and not be blinded by prejudice.
it is very early days.
Giacomo Latta says
If I were the average European I would worry about my constant bleating than global warming. Greta wants me to not follow her but to follow the science. Way ahead of you, there, truant toots! I don’t follow you at all and I do follow the science. Name any astrophysicist. They will tell you that our sun, a star like any others, is growing bigger and hotter until it dies like any other star. Thank the universe for the million or so years it has and will give us then go back to school to learn what science is because you obviously are ignorant at this stage.
PanirKudi108 says
Both caliphornie plus benelux & bengalia plus jewyorkshytty r scheduled to fall into ocean- members of Panth Samaj Ummah reside at these places: at the appointed hour they must be rescued and safely transported to Greater Historical Panjab. We must liberate Aryavartasthan from genocidal ambitions of bantuChink appointed plutocratic kakistocrats hell bent on extirpation of nonglabrous.
Molestation of Afpak girls shall be avenged.
Death to china- (this is German land)
Death to somalia – (this is hindu holy land )
Glabrous quit miki ~ way
Only Hindu royalty wear turbans
In AfPak badlands r girls r boys during wartime so sometime they 2 wear turbans but the ode bantu arab wearing turbans is cultural genocide of hinduism Sikhism and a mockery of aryaIslam that produces feminine girls – Sita as per dr Elst the lone warrior of earth.
The ruination of the California Gold Coast and glabrous colonization of Oceania is atrocious- and vicious- it’s not me who is vicious – daily as wayfarer I am targeted to be murdered by vehicular homicide be “pathetic women drivers “ (thanks pf) and or retards of the ummah who only just hate all sentient life. Arya Islam is pure but only ten percent are actual Musslmann (brahminical source) 200 to 300 million- so obviously that is a lot of good near perfect people.
Whereas the Panth is 95 percent mlecch infested – let us hope these freaks of Panth ( and buffoons for example yoyohoneysingh wtf) self reform- it is sad to see an unemployed Sikh. Nonexistent as we r supposed to always work. No retirement concept exists.
Hindu have one eye: democracy does not work in India.
PanirKudi108 says
Errata “by” not be
Also referring to ode arab bantu refer to East Africa not mena – gulf Arab r cryptojew who torment nonMuslim
Halt vicious abuse of Bharati labour especially agricultural worker- it is sometimes(often?) indian who abuse labour! Especially new world- on old world mafiosa of Italy torment workers- why Bharat agriculturalist are in Italy anyway? Pick your own radishes!gardening is better than farming in most climates.
Yukon could benefit from AfPak peasantry. Just make sure your boss is a Dutchman – lol
Corrupt philosophy of cultural Marxism is the culprit.
AfPak life differs from bantu chink and euro and mena – for us life is a camping trip. We prefer treehouse to hotel motel.
Life is tuff – why make it tougher with stupid policies that have as a consequence dysgenics?
Dysgenic breeding is criminal.
Sjw unceded land claims of hunter gatherer is only to torment new AfPak arrivals-/ lebensraum 4 peasants of AfPak- why mena
Freaks sit in close proximity to each other at Starbucks? Ew it is gross – we at Chinese occupied indian Panjab like space distance when sipping our beverages- proof the semitic mutliculturalism creates conflict whereas in theory Aryan multiculturalism could work if all were of the same tribe. The biological state. It works- socialism at home – right wing dictatorship abroad.
Killing the golden goose of AfPAk was bad move nutty nato is liability- very sinful (graveyard of empires )extinction of Self (khuda Atman)move by yehuddi plutocrats.
gravenimage says
PanirKudi108 wrote:
Both caliphornie plus benelux & bengalia plus jewyorkshytty r scheduled to fall into ocean-
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What crap–this poster doesn’t understand anything about geology.
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members of Panth Samaj Ummah reside at these places: at the appointed hour they must be rescued and safely transported to Greater Historical Panjab. We must liberate Aryavartasthan from genocidal ambitions of bantuChink appointed plutocratic kakistocrats hell bent on extirpation of nonglabrous.
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Note that PanirKudi108 only cares about rescuing Jihadists. Then, more random racism against “bantuChink”.
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Molestation of Afpak girls shall be avenged.
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The only ones molesting girls in Afghanistan and Pakistan are Afghan and Pakistani Muslims.
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Death to china- (this is German land)
Death to somalia – (this is hindu holy land )
Glabrous quit miki ~ way
Only Hindu royalty wear turbans
In AfPak badlands r girls r boys during wartime so sometime they 2 wear turbans but the ode bantu arab wearing turbans is cultural genocide of hinduism Sikhism and a mockery of aryaIslam that produces feminine girls – Sita as per dr Elst the lone warrior of earth.
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No–China was never German, nor was Somalia ever Hindu. What tosh.
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The ruination of the California Gold Coast and glabrous colonization of Oceania is atrocious- and vicious- it’s not me who is vicious – daily as wayfarer I am targeted to be murdered by vehicular homicide be “pathetic women drivers “ (thanks pf) and or retards of the ummah who only just hate all sentient life.
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Why is this poster so obsessed with the end of the gold rush in California? This happened over a hundred years ago, yet he (or she) has blamed me for this personally.
And yes–PanirKudi108, who has lauded Jihadists murdering charity doctors, applauded rape, and said that women who marry for love should be murdered is nothing if not vicious.
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Arya Islam is pure but only ten percent are actual Musslmann (brahminical source) 200 to 300 million- so obviously that is a lot of good near perfect people.
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Of course, there is no such thing as “Arya Islam”. In fact, pious Muslims regularly murder Hindus and Sikhs.
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Whereas the Panth is 95 percent mlecch infested – let us hope these freaks of Panth ( and buffoons for example yoyohoneysingh wtf) self reform- it is sad to see an unemployed Sikh. Nonexistent as we r supposed to always work. No retirement concept exists.
Hindu have one eye: democracy does not work in India.
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India has been flourishing as a democracy. And no–Sikhs do not have to work until they drop from old age. What rot.
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Errata “by” not be
Also referring to ode arab bantu refer to East Africa not mena – gulf Arab r cryptojew who torment nonMuslim
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Muslims regularly abuse and persecute Infidels in the Gulf nations and in east Africa, and do so on the basis of Islam–the idea that these Muslims are somehow Jews is just more unhinged antisemitism.
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Halt vicious abuse of Bharati labour especially agricultural worker- it is sometimes(often?) indian who abuse labour! Especially new world- on old world mafiosa of Italy torment workers- why Bharat agriculturalist are in Italy anyway? Pick your own radishes!gardening is better than farming in most climates.
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There are only about 200,000 Indians in all of Italy. No one is forcing Indians to go to Italy, and they are not being abused there.
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Yukon could benefit from AfPak peasantry. Just make sure your boss is a Dutchman – lol
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Why would Canada want more Jihadists?
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Corrupt philosophy of cultural Marxism is the culprit.
AfPak life differs from bantu chink and euro and mena – for us life is a camping trip. We prefer treehouse to hotel motel.
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The problem with Afghanistan and Pakistan is the savagery of Islam.
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Life is tuff – why make it tougher with stupid policies that have as a consequence dysgenics?
Dysgenic breeding is criminal.
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This poster has said before that anyone in a mixed race marriage should be murdered. Ugly stuff.
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Sjw unceded land claims of hunter gatherer is only to torment new AfPak arrivals-/ lebensraum 4 peasants of AfPak- why mena
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“Lebensraum” is a reference to the Nazis invading their neighbors, which PanirKudi108 approves of. Here, this poster is saying that Muslims should conquer Infidel nations.
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Freaks sit in close proximity to each other at Starbucks? Ew it is gross
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More racism and calls for unequal treatment.
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we at Chinese occupied indian Panjab like space distance when sipping our beverages- proof the semitic mutliculturalism creates conflict whereas in theory Aryan multiculturalism could work if all were of the same tribe. The biological state. It works- socialism at home – right wing dictatorship abroad.
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Of course, Punjab is not occupied by the Chinese. Then, more random antisemitism.
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Killing the golden goose of AfPAk was bad move nutty nato is liability- very sinful (graveyard of empires )extinction of Self (khuda Atman)move by yehuddi plutocrats.
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How are Afghanistan and Pakistan a “golden goose”? They produce almost nothing–especially the former. Afghanistan is one of the greatest hell holes in the world–this is the legacy of Islam.
marc says
PanirKudi had to leave us, i really don’t have time to moderate his drivel, if he shows up again, please let me know.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Marc! I know this poster was banned before when he was posting as Prabh.
Frank Anderson says
Respect to all involved. Thank you.