Giving Saudi nationals flight training on a Naval Air base. What could possibly go wrong?
“NAS Pensacola shooter identified as Saudi aviation student; possible terror motive being investigated,” by Adam Ford, DISRN, December 6, 2019:
The gunman who killed at least three people and wounded seven others before being killed by deputies in a Friday morning shooting at Naval Air Station Pensacola has been identified as a Saudi national and member of the Saudi Arabian military who was in the U.S. for aviation training. His name is Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, according to NBC News. The shooting is being investigated as a possible terror attack.
The assailant opened fire in a classroom building killing at least three and wounding seven others.
Two deputies engaged and dispatched the shooter, both of them sustaining gunshot wounds during the shootout…
Ren says
Beware, he’s a muslim.
Emilie Green says
To keep everyone at ease he was wearing one of these,
https://rlv.zcache.com/dont_panic_im_islamic_t_shirt-rffa51bf06c094428b86a672247297e18_k2gm8_540.jpg
Edward Syrek says
Yup. And they believed him!
mortimer says
Muslims should not take DIRTY KAFIRS as friends, comrades or allies or ‘they are one of them’.
A pious, Koran-believing Muslim may not be a COMRADE with the DIRTY KUFAAR.
K.3.28 : Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Awliya (supporters, helpers, protectors, friends, COMRADES, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them.
Trick_or_Treat says
Taqqiya…
oldschool says
Why do we have military bases or naval bases? We are not an empire; they can only be there because we need to defend ourselves and our country, right? Ok. Against what? There is no question that the greatest threat to our country, our law, our culture and way of life today is Islam. Islam existentially threatens every other culture on earth. It is their whole mission. Once they do that they will fight with each other until one or another beats the rest. But their first goal is to eliminate western culture and dominate western nations. The United States is known in Islam as “the Great Satan”. So why? Why do we TRAIN our enemies on our own military bases? 70 years ago we would not have considered training German or Japanese officers on our bases. In the 1950s and 1960s we would not have thought for one minute of training Russian military personnel on our bases. Quite the opposite. So what is wrong with us today? Terrorists are in our colleges and universities, in our State Department, they are on our military bases, training on our equipment. Why should we even invest in this equipment if we are sharing it with the very people whom we must defend ourselves against.
http://dakotabeacon.com/entry/sally_morris_guns_arent_allowed_at_the_pensacola_naval_base/
Daniel Triplett says
…because we’re woke, and morally and intellectually superior to our bigoted grandfathers. Americans who won the Revolution, 1812, Civil War, and both WWI and II had no idea what they were doing.
just kidding
PRCS says
Fox New just gave Walid Phares another opportunity to regurgitate that ‘radicalization’ crap.
peter says
What do you think of so called journalists and even politicians in this country who are nothing but a sort of corporate employees who are are more worried about their mortgage on their house and private schools for their children than the nation they are supposed to represent! I pity them! Shame on their hypocrisy. God save America from these patriots !.
mccode says
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
CogitoErgoSum says
Never take as an ally someone whose religion tells him not to take you as an ally
Walt Tessling says
Exactly
Antiislamicman says
It amazing how Muslims keep killing all around the world yet people still trust them. Time to wake up to the Islam
Didymus Thomas says
REPATRIATE
Send all the Saudi’s home from the Florida Naval Base. I will pay the fuel cost!!!!
Didymus
mortimer says
They’re not all jihadists. Most of them are not fanatics like this youth. They have to be trained to fight the Iranians.
6woods says
So is there a litmus test to determine which of them are jihadists and which aren’t? Or do you just ask them and take them at their word?
Trick_or_Treat says
Yes, if you are a muslim, you ARE a fucking jihadist! That is the litmus test and defining criteria.
Anybody who tries to spin the apologist propaganda that there exists qur’an toting muslims who are not jihadists, are not even as smart as a box full of rocks.
SANJAC1836 says
I’m sure there are some very nice mafioso and ms13 members too.
Trick_or_Treat says
???
Terry Gain says
No they don’t. Let them kill each other
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. Let them kill each other, to the best of their abilities, without any training from us.
Savvy Kafir says
We do not have to train ANY Muslims to do anything. Certainly not on American soil, among American infidels. We should leave the Muslim world to fend for itself — after deporting all Muslims, and developing alternative energy technologies & infrastructures that make oil totally unnecessary as a fuel.
gravenimage says
All too many of them *are* Jihadists, Mortimer. This what Raymond Ibrahim calls “Muslim roulette.
Trick_or_Treat says
‘Sudden Jihad Syndrome” [SJS] again.
Infidel says
That training can be done in Saudi Arabia itself: no need to bring anyone here. Besides, the Houthis are not much different from the Saudis in their fanaticism, except for them being Zaidi Shias vs the Saudis being Hanbali Sunnis
Walter Sieruk says
The Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia in no friend of any Western nation, Saudi Arabia is best defined as a kingdom of Islamic hate
As one Arab scholar who had lived in a Middle Eastern country, for many years revealed “Saudi madrassa notably teach hatred and condemnation of the West and non-Muslims” and “The Saudi Government also provides free textbooks to Islamic schools throughout the world . many of the Saudi- Issued textbook’s contain wording that encourages hatred and intolerance for non-Muslims.” [1]
Saudi Arabia in many ways is no better than Iran.
[1] THEY MUST BE STOPPED by Brigitte Gabriel, page 106
Walter Sieruk says
The Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia has not and will not spare any of its vast oil wealth as to use its financial resources to fund and promote the advancement of Islam by and through the jihad. By this it means both the stealth jihad and even the subtle support violent jihad.
As explained, for example in the book HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD by William Wagner. For on pages 109, 110. The reader is informed that “The Wall Street journal on April 15, 2003 published an article titled ‘In law Seminars, A Saudi Group Spreads Extremism.’ The article began by saying ‘In late February more than 300 young men from across Europe gathered for a weekend seminar on Islamic Law put on by Al-Waqf al-Islaami Foundation.’ The article went on to explain that the most famous graduates from the seminar were half a dozen members of the group of young men from Hamburg, Germany, who plotted the September 11, attacks. The language of the was Dutch, but ‘the message was imported from Saudi Arabia, via Saudi books and lecturers who taught a strict orthodox interpretation of Islam.’ “
Further on the very same page of 110 the information is given that “TIME MAGAZINE , in an article on Saudi Arabia: Inside the Kingdom,’ stated ‘Apart from channeling money to foundations that have assisted terrorist groups, Saudis have for years supported institutions abroad the propagate Wahhabism.’”
In addition to all this, in the book of the title of THE HISTORY OF JIHAD FROM MUHAMMAD TO ISIS, by Robert Spencer on pages 333 through 337.Mr Spencer provides valid information of the subject of “ The Saudi involvement in September 11.”
So with that Islamic regime of Saudi Arabia and its oil money support the different type of the jihad, both stealth and the violent kind, with its Islamic agenda advancement and spread , influence and infiltration of the Western nations ,this kingdom of Saudi Arabia is no friend at all of America or any other country of the West.
somehistory says
I knew it this morning when I read the news that this would turn out to be a moslim terror act. There was no doubt in my mind, so I came to this site to read the words I knew would be here.
Yesterday, I had to see my doctor again and had another painful procedure done. I then had to go to the local Walmart for a few things before going home.
On the bus ride over, from the rear of the bus, there was much talk about satan…in the arabic language…and I wished that I could understand more than that one word. I heard it several times, but could not see…due to the eye thingy and its pain…who was speaking.
When the bus reached its destination, several passengers got off at the back door, but I got off at the front. As I stepped down, three young, bearded men passed by and more ‘alllllaaaaa’ talk. My daughter and I were heading in the same direction as the moslims…and only a few feet behind them.
I was watching them…eyes probably bored a hole in their backs, and they turned to look at us…guess they could feel the boring…and all frowned and quickened their steps. They also crossed the street illegally and soon were way ahead, as we took the legal route to the crosswalks.
I thought about the terror actions that have occurred in stores and watched them as far as I could. Later, I spoke to my daughter and asked if she noticed how they looked at us. She didn’t like looking, so she didn’t.
I reminded her that they can never be trusted. One cannot tell whether they are going somewhere just to shop or work or to school, so we have to watch them closely.
This murderous creature should never have been allowed into a place where his enemy…American sailors and their citizen support staff… was so abundant.
gravenimage says
Disturbing, Somehistory.
Crusades Were Right says
“You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in”
I guess Donald – while being a lover of poetry…
…ain’t no herpetologist.
tgusa says
Given the islamic ideologies view on the treatment of non muslims we really cannot point the finger at the killer and say, what the hell? The finger must be pointed directly at Washington DC.
However, dead Americans here and there is a small price to pay in the war against islamophobia. After all, the dead are only our sons, daughters and countrymen. No big deal, right?
That’s what I see.
PRCS says
Per Fox News:
“He was a good student and very religious.
tgusa says
Why haven’t the tv news media channels hired any of these people as interns? Islamophobia?
Scott Allen says
Saudi aviation student? Didnt we learn our lesson already?
Infidel says
Apparently not. If anything, we should have insisted that any training of Saudi pilots happen in KSA
Wellington says
Two points: 1) Saudi Arabia is not really a country but a family masquerading as a country (and a very despicable family/country at that); 2) The GREAT BURDEN which is Islam continues to afflict the human race across the globe—in Florida, the Philippines, the UK, Sweden, of course in Muslim nations where Muslims killing other Muslims who are not deemed Muslim enough is a virtually daily event, et al.
Islam is sick to its core; it is a cancer. Just as there is no “reforming” cancer, there is no reforming Islam.
Terry Gain says
Cancers can be cut out, radiated to death and chemically annihilated. A corresponding response to Islam is to exclude it, pulverize the irrational ideology and poison the ideology by denying its fraudulent claim to be a religion.
Cheers.
Wellington says
Oh, Islam is fraudulent all right but just because something is fraudulent does not mean it is not a religion. Wasn’t the ancient Egyptian religion fraudulent? How about the many Mesopotamian religions from the Sumerians onward? What of the Aztec religion—was it not fraudulent? Carthaginian religion? Satanism? Et al.
What you just can’t seem to wrap your head around is that a religion can be rotten to the core, fraudulent, not true, stupid, a menace, et al. How about Hinduism? Is it fraudulent and irrational? And so on.
You just don’t get it, Terry. Based on your many posts here at JW I fear you never will.
Terry Gain says
It’s you who doesn’t get it, my friend.
Terry Gain says
Wellington
Your approach to this issue doesn’t even attempt to yield anything of value. You think the issue as to whether Islam is a religion is an academic exercise. It is not. It is a tactic of war.
My approach at least offers the possibility that people will examine what Islam is and perhaps conclude that it is a supremacist totalitarian, conquest ideologu. Conceding that Islam is a religion forecloses discussion of this issue. Your approach offers nothing but a guarantee of defeat.
Wellington says
A tactic of war? May I remind you, Terry, that during WWII when America was at war with Nazi Germany, Nazism was not made illegal in the USA (the American Bund, a Nazi organization effectively ended in the early 1940’s because, and this is important and germane to Islam in America today, it counseled the breaking of American law) and during the Cold War Communism in America was not made illegal—indeed, Gus Hall, the head of the Communist Party in America, ran for President four times (1972,1976,1980 and 1984).
My approach to Islam is the same as it is to Nazism and Communism, i.e., it should be legal but it should also be properly characterized and widely viewed as malevolent and worthy of castigation and ridicule. This is NOT an academic exercise on my part but rather an attempt to deal with evil in a free society as effectively as possible while still preserving freedom.
gravenimage says
Terry, your claim that one has nothing of value to add unless they pretend that Islam is not an evil religion makes no sense.
And the idea that one cannot examine Islam if we don’t change our languages for Muslims makes *no* sense. Are you saying that men like Winston Churchill were incapable of taking a clear-eyed look at Islam?
Robert Spencer knows that this is what Islam is. Why don’t you tell him that he has nothing of value to offer?
Infidel says
Not just that, 18 years after 15 Saudi citizens participated in the hijacking of 4 American planes and killing 3000 Americans, the US still allows Saudis to train in the US in flying missions? Are they seriously that deranged?
Even if one buys lock, stock and barrel the claim that MbS is serious about reforming Saudi Arabia (of which the evidence is sketchy), that country still has the same population that they did 18 years ago. There is no reason to believe that just b’cos their rulers have changed, so have the people.
Also, Saudi Arabia is not so much a family as much as a fiefdom. If it weren’t for that accident of geology, as Hugh puts it, they’d be no more important geopolitically than Mauritania or Chad
Mark says
There are 5 major religions in the world and only one is doing wholesale killing in the name of their God and Holy Book. There’s no JISIS, no CISIS, no BISIS, no HISIS. It’s simple.
James Lincoln says
Years back, I sat in one of those very same classrooms at N.A.S. Pensacola – preparing for primary flight training in the T-34C Turbo Mentor over at N.A S Whiting Field in Milton.
A very busy airport, my biggest fear was a midair collision.
Never once did I think about being attacked by a fellow student naval aviator…
Wellington says
You would now, James, as I know you would. Anyone of sense and knowledge (two big “ifs”) would and should now.
The nonsense continues, i.e., that Islam, ALL OF IT, is not characterized as malevolent. Until this changes, nothing of real substance will be achieved in America and all of the West respecting the worst religion of all time.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that account, James.
Infidel says
James, was that before or after 2001?
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
I went through primary flight training in the mid – 1980s.
Lydia Church says
Every time there is any link to islam, we read the following in the headline:
“motive unclear…”
Uh-huh, sure!
Larry says
No different than giving the bank vault combination to a bank robber.
Mark Berlinger says
With all due respect Capt. Timothy F. Kinsella Jr., the base’s commanding officer, couldn’t recognize Islamic terrorism when it arrived on his base. Obama ended the training of American military personnel about what motivates our observant Muslim enemy.