The latest manifestation of Islamic supremacism, leaching the meaning out of Christian observances, comes from Whitehall Primary School. The outrageous story is here.
Children at a primary school have been told not to sing the word ‘Lord’ in the Christmas carol Away In A Manger – so that pupils of all beliefs can join in….
But which is more important: to allow Christian children to recognize Jesus as their “Lord,” as they have for two thousand years, or to change utterly what Jesus signifies, in order to make sure that “pupils of all beliefs can join in”? Since in the past centuries, no non-Christians – almost entirely Jews — in England have ever complained about the phrase “Lord Jesus,” what has changed things? We all know the answer: it is the swelling population of Muslims, who now feel numerous and powerful enough to demand that Christians change the essence of their religious observances to accommodate them. Thus a Muslim headmistress, determined to make her Muslim charges feel “comfortable” enough to “join in,” has ordered that “the Lord Jesus” will become “baby boy Jesus,” and “Jesus the savior” in another carol becomes “Jesus the baby,” and in yet another carol, “new King born today” becomes “a baby born today.”
Youngsters at Whitehall Primary School in Chingford, Essex, have also been told to sing edited versions of two modern hymns when they attend a carol service and nativity play at a nearby church on Tuesday.
The words ‘Jesus the saviour’ in the carol Love Shone Down have been replaced with ‘Jesus the baby’, while the words ‘new King born today’ in the carol Come And Join The Celebration have been replaced with ‘a baby born today.’
One furious mother, a former Metropolitan Police officer, said the changes were utterly unacceptable and likened it to taking ‘Christ’ out of Christmas.
Of course these changes are taking the Christ of the Christians, whom they worship as the Son of God and Savior of Mankind, out of Christmas. Now he’s just one more bouncing baby boy, who, as Ilhan Omar might say, some people think did some things.
The mother, 36, said: ‘If he was just a baby boy named Jesus, there wouldn’t be a celebration in the first place. He is our Lord and Saviour and King of all Kings – that’s the whole point.
‘It is also a tradition – it is taking away the traditions of the country.’
The mother said her two sons, aged nine and 11 and who go to church and Sunday school, were very upset when Whitehall head teacher Zakia Khatun announced that the words of the carols would be changed.
She said: ‘My kids are being stopped from having the freedom to express their beliefs. They are shocked.’
The mother claimed that at a meeting on Friday, Ms Khatun defended her decision, insisting the school is inclusive of all children, and maintained that last year 60 children did not attend the carol service and nativity at St Peter and St Paul Church in Chingford because of their religious beliefs.
If 60 children – presumably all Muslims – did not attend the carol service and nativity at a nearby church last Christmas, whose fault is that? If Muslim children have been taught to be intolerant of the Infidels and what they see as those Infidels’ unacceptable beliefs, instead of being taught to treat those of other faiths with respect, that surely is their problem. They should be welcomed to attend the church’s regular Christmas observance, but not to have it changed to meet their outrageous demands.
Muslim headmistress Zakia Khatun of course is not backing down. Why should she? Muslims are in the saddle, and ride mankind. Zakia Khatun finds it unacceptable that Muslim children could feel left out, so she’s changed a few words to make the Christmas songs less of a psychic burden for them. Besides, if all the children were made to sing the carols as originally written, that would be a sinister way for Christians to impose their beliefs on Muslim schoolchildren. If it is to mean anything, a Christmas celebration ought to be “inclusive”; nothing must be done to make Muslim children feel uneasy. Why should Christians complain? They should be thankful that for now there still is a Christmas celebration in the schools and churches. The next logical step, Zakia Khatun — and many other Muslims — may be thinking is to end the Christmas celebrations altogether, for how otherwise can Muslims in the U.K. truly feel “included”? Changing how Jesus is referred to in a few carols is insufficient; the entire observance of Christmas makes Muslim students feel left out. There are too many suggestions in the Christmas observances that Jesus is divine, rather than as what Muslims know him to be, one of 12,000 prophets. It’s a direct affront to their faith. Why should they be forced to stand it? Do they make Christians observe Ramadan? Or take part in Eid al-Fitr? Of course they don’t. Christians can quietly hold Christmas celebrations in their own homes, rather than in the schools and churches. What’s wrong with that eminently fair solution?
She [the Christian mother] believes the school is now discriminating against Christian pupils and has been told other parents are unhappy too.
She said: ‘We live in a multicultural society, so we should respect other beliefs but unfortunately Christianity is not getting respect.’Ms Khatun doesn’t want the people who don’t have the same beliefs to feel excluded, yet it’s OK to exclude Christians.’…
Whitehall is a multicultural state school with 485 pupils and is rated good by Ofsted inspectors. The school says it promotes British values, including ‘tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs’.
Is Zakia Khatun, the Muslim headmistress, promoting the values of “tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs” when she requires Christians to change their own observance of Christmas because Muslim pupils, who have been taught not to tolerate the Christian view of Jesus — will otherwise refuse to attend?
A spokesman for the school said: ‘We are a community school serving children from a range of faith backgrounds.
‘In the past, not all were able to come together to celebrate Christmas, so we have worked hard with our local church to ensure the celebrations this year are accessible to all our children to participate in, together, as one.’
A spokesman for the Diocese of Chelmsford, which includes St Peter and St Paul Church, said: ‘The service maintains the traditional Christian message of the joy of Christmas in a way that can be celebrated by everyone, including those of other faiths and none.
The Christian clerics who willingly succumbed to those changes in the description of Jesus defend themselves by claiming that the “traditional Christian message” is “the joy of Christmas.” But where does that “joy” come from? It comes from the belief that God has sent His own son to earth to bring light to humanity, lost in the darkness of its own folly. Have these clerics forgotten, in their insensate desire to meet Muslim demands, what Christianity itself is all about?
No non-Christians in the U.K. – save for Muslims – appear to have ever demanded that Christian observances, including those at Christmas, be modified. No insistence that changes be made in Christian wording or worship from Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Zoroastrians. Many Jews in centuries past either participated in Christmas observances without any complaint, or remained present, quietly observing, or if they wished, absented themselves; no one made a fuss; it would not have occurred to anyone to demand that Christians change their own observances so as to be “inclusive.”
When Muslim students say their five daily prayers – which means two or three of them are said during the school day – they include, in the Fatihah, a curse on the kuffar. Perhaps some Christian teachers or parents should object, because the prayers the Muslim students say in school do contain these offensive verses. Shouldn’t they demand that those words cursing the kuffar be removed from the pupils’ prayers because “it upsets Christian and Jewish students, who feel not just left out but even, in those prayers, the objects of hate”? And surely Zakia Khutan, who wants her school to at all times to be “inclusive,” would have a hard time disagreeing.
Charlie in NY says
To update the Vietnam era aphorism about South Vietnamese villages controlled by Vietcong guerillas, they had to save Christmas by destroying Christmas.
Siddi Nasrani says
” In my day,in the 60’s U.K. I went to primary school, every morning at the school assembly, we had to sing Christian songs. The head told the JEWS in the assembly
they do not have to say the name Jesus if we wish not to.
mortimer says
Muslims wish to ban Christmas, Easter and StValentine’s Day in every country because discriminatory Sharia law bans all open celebrations of Christian festivals … ALL OF THEM.
Christmas is the MOST offensive festival to Islam, because it celebrates the Incarnation of God in Jesus … a total blasphemy in Islam.
If they do not succeed in banning Christmas, the jihadists will resort to violence in England as well.
England is officially Christian and no non-Christian will ever be forced to participate in Christian rituals which would violate their human rights.
Listening to a message you don’t approve is NOT persecution … it is part of the freedom of speech … letting others say things you do not like.
Ray Jarman says
I am waiting for the Church of England to be renamed as the Mosque of Englandstan. Also excellent critique Mortimer.
gravenimage says
Yes, Mortimer–this is just one step towards Muslims’ ultimate goal of banning these celebrations all together.
SAFI says
Wait until these hostile colonists become the majority then they’ll demand obligatory fasting for everyone including the kufar on Ramadan like it happens in many muslim countries where these infiltrators originate.
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
mortimer says
Celebrating Christmas openly is legal in England, because it is a Christian country with an established church. No one is forced to participate. No one’s human rights are being denied if Christian children sing traditional carols which are a core part of England’s cultural heritage.
gravenimage says
Yes–when I was attending an Episcopal school as a small primary school child, we had several Jewish students. They hung out in the library while we had Chapel. There was no stigma to this at all. They did take part in caroling and the Christmas play, but I’m sure their parents could have excused them if they’d wanted to.
mangrove56 says
What else could Jewish students do, who were willingly enrolled in an Episcopalian School, but wait out religious services elsewhere?
gravenimage says
If they were Muslims they would try to get the services shut down.
Carol the 1st says
Would-be King Charles III is busy studying Greek Orthodoxy and Sufism. One of his projects is an art school that teaches Orthodox iconography and Islamic calligraphy.
Elizabeth’s coronation was quite Anglican-affirming but with the changing population University College London and the National Secular Society hope to modify the ceremony and see Charles’ coronation as an opportunity to further the separation between Church and State (some social changes might not be so terrible were we not dealing with Islam):
The difficulties with crowning King Charles III
https://www.economist.com/erasmus/2018/05/24/the-difficulties-with-crowning-king-charles-iii
gravenimage says
Prince Charles is an Islamophilic dhimmi tool.
I hope he never becomes King.
Chris Jones says
Yes, it is legal and the head teacher is breaking the law.
Under the Equalities Act we are entitled to OUR culture, heritage, traditions and way of life. We are a (vast) majority white, Christian country. Why do people think this Equality law only applies to muslims?
The teacher would soon back down when faced with a court case.
I’ve used the same law against banks, for example, (Lloyds) who over represented ethnic minorities in their adverts. They had to stop it, they were breaking the law. They said they were being fully ‘inclusive’ yet ignored disabled people in this ‘inclusivity’ BS excuse. Even if they included every different ethnic minority group, we’re still a majority white country; most customers will be white.
While people let others, head teachers, advertising agencies, banks, supermarkets get away with breaking the law, what do they expect to happen?
muslims rule, OK? No, it is NOT OK. It’s OUR country, our traditions, culture and heritage. If they don’t like it there are many muslim countries in the world; Heathrow is that way >>>>>>>>>
The Anglican church is a total disgrace.
mortimer says
The former police constable and mother of primary school children was ON TARGET with the following:
“We live in a multicultural society, so we should respect other beliefs but unfortunately Christianity is not getting respect.’Ms Khatun doesn’t want the people who don’t have the same beliefs to feel excluded, yet it’s OK to exclude Christians.’”
Suppressing the national culture of England through the enforcement of discriminatory Sharia is what this is about.
Mike casmer says
well, at least they get to sing Christmas Carols in school. In the US you can’t sing religious Christmas songs. Instead of a Christmas Play and party its called a “winter Play”, and all they can sing are secular songs so as not to offend anybody.
mortimer says
What a preposterous … stupid … statement for a bishop to put his name on: “traditional Christian message” is “the joy of Christmas” !!
The ‘traditional’ and canonical message of Christmas is actually THE INCARNATION OF GOD … and nothing else …
… ‘verbum caro factum est’.
Jayell says
“The school says it promotes British values, including ‘tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs” – so, no doubt, speaks the muslim Head, who probably knows relatively little about traditional ‘British values’ unless she presumes her muslim culture to be ‘British’ as an ingredient of the current multicultural mess that is supposed to validate her presence in the UK. Yet, as has been observed, she shows no respect for Christianity – which is not being in the least bit ‘British’. By the way, this ‘Festivas’ nonsense is nothing new. Birmingham City Council were referring to ‘Winterval’ years ago in order to avoid references to ‘Christmas’. BUt in any case, there’s no need to invent new words because we’ve been talking about ‘Yuletide’ and the burning of the ‘Yule Log’ for centuries; but you wouldn’t expect a muslim Head teacher to know anything about that.
CogitoErgoSum says
This suggests to me that Christians should have their own schools which teach Christian values.
Carol the 1st says
When it comes to children they have us over a barrel and they know it. Muslim kids are already primed to be emotional and physical cannon fodder getting pats on the head from mom and dad for religious aggression – but ours aren’t, and we don’t want them that way. They also don’t have the trained defenses that come with a hive mentality. It’s a problem as it’s a real opening for Islam.
WPM says
The Moslems children are free to attend or not attend the singing of Christmas carols in after school programs .It is not mandatory ,they do not have to go to church services ,just like attending after school programs of sports games joining chess clubs ,ect. If someone is uneasy about others beliefs let them feel free to not attend them, do not force Christians, Jews , and others to change their belief systems because they might make Moslems feel “uneasy”. The singing of Christian Christmas carols in its lyrics never promotes racial ,or religious hate of non-Christians. Inclusive does not mean forcing others to give up their beliefs because your faith is some how shaken, or weak ,or cannot accept other faiths public celebrated .
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
+1, Perfect.
GreekEmpress says
Agreed! +100
Carpediadem says
The term “inclusive” is a furphy.
Neither Jews nor Muslims believe in Jesus, why is not having them at carols seen as noninclusive when it is a Christian event meant for Christians?
Jews have Chanuka around the same time of year.
Muslims have other stuff.
This is not real inclusion, this is forced – and adjusted – collectivism.
gravenimage says
+1
Or Else! says
Shame, marginalize, and silence the adults (with the help of useful, leftist idiots) while indoctrinating the children to accept dhimmitude.
Carol the 1st says
The values just don’t jive so how will these children be able to internalize such opposites in a healthy way? They’ll probably learn to keep their heads low like many MINO’s do and have done for eons.
FYI says
You mean ..mussmass..
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
The words ‘Jesus the saviour’ in the carol Love Shone Down have been replaced with ‘Jesus the baby’…
Only people who feel they have something to apologize for would ever kowtow with gestures like this, but why should Christian’s apologize for their beliefs? they aren’t the ones mass murdering in the name of their religion, muslims are. The obvious implication here is that Christians have something to be ashamed about. But what’s so offensive about calling Jesus “savior,” the muslims call muhammad the “best example” and he was a murderer and a torturer and a religious quack–now THAT’s something to be offended about!
Western leftists are trying to instill in this generation the idea that we should feel guilty and ashamed for being who we are. If I’m white and want strong borders I’m a racist, If I speak against the violence of islam then I’m an islamophobe, if I take pride in my own nation then I’m a closed minded xenophobe that hates foreigners. Christians don’t owe muslims an explanation for their own beliefs, it’s the muslims who should explain the terroristic threats and murder their religion causes. Our leftists fools got us walking on eggshells with these absurd and unreasonable concessions for people who would never change a hair for us. No, we don’t have to change “savior” to “baby” and muslims can kiss my a$$. If you take out “lord” then you just took out the central meaning of Christianity, and you did it for a dirty demon and a psycho prophet. Congratulations, you just denied Christ, I’m sure he’s proud of you.
Matthew 10:33 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
2 Timothy 2:12 12 if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;
John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
People who believe in those above verses don’t deny Christ, they stay steadfast unto physical death. If you take out “savior” then you deny Christ and insult Christians. You are creating a hell for all of us by encouraging more intimidation and terror for islam. Don’t encourage bigotry and terror with groveling concessions. Be proud of your Christianhood, and don’t compromise one iota for that demon called allah or the muslims who bow to him. I’m an atheist, and I got more Christian sense than these cowards who call themselves Christians.
Rarely says
Much ado about nothing. I don’t think Christmas celebrations in public schools do much, if anything, to enhance the religiosity of the Christian pupils. At the same time these celebrations don’t do anything to weaken the faith of non-Christians. That is, at least the celebrations in the schools I attended growing up. The student body was 25-30% Jewish in each school. No one got offended (or appeared to be) and Jewish kids in the school choir did not absent themselves. There was no preaching or proselytizing. Totally benign. If your belief is so weak, or your religion so vulnerable, that it can be weaken by hearing (or singing) a few Christmas carols you would be well advised to explore your belief and religion.
Kids are not as sensitive or vulnerable as they are being made out to be when excluding them from Valentine’s Day, Hallowe’en and Christmas observances in the school system.
Next on the agenda? Banning Christian kids from talking about, displaying or enjoying their Christmas presents in public.
However, Church services and/or festivities should not be altered in any way regardless of who is visiting. Aside from the obvious this would be demeaning and insulting to non-Christian visitors by suggesting that they “couldn’t handle it”. If you “can’t handle it” just stay away.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
If your belief is so weak, or your religion so vulnerable, that it can be weaken by hearing (or singing) a few Christmas carols you would be well advised to explore your belief and religion.
That’s right. And that’s why I said in another post that I thought such a gesture was trivial and condescending. It suggests that muslims are so shallow in their beliefs that the simple removal of a word will somehow eradicate muslims’ ill-will toward other religions. But jihad is not built on such trivial distinctions, it’s built on hardcore bigotry that goes back to islam’s earliest days. No, they won’t be satisfied with removing one word from a song, it will only encourage more intimidation on that slippery slope of jihad terror for allah.
However, Church services and/or festivities should not be altered in any way regardless of who is visiting. Aside from the obvious this would be demeaning and insulting to non-Christian visitors by suggesting that they “couldn’t handle it”. If you “can’t handle it” just stay away.
It’s clear you and I are of one mind with this. That’s exactly how I feel about it too. Muslims who are “offended” aren’t going to “handle it” any better by removing of a word. An analogy might be to suggest that the bigotry of a kkk member could be soothed by simply renaming black people a “darker shade of white.” lol. No, trust me, it ain’t going to make them happy, and it ain’t going to satisfy a muslim bigot if you remove “savior” from a song.
gravenimage says
Does Rarely *really* think that Muslims are going to stop at censoring and bowdlerizing Christmas songs? *Good lord*.
Note that Hugh Fitzgerald is Atheist, yet he very much recognizes the threat that this kind of imposition of Shari’ah presents to us all.
CogitoErgoSum says
I don’t think I fully understand what is going on here. The story says the children have been instructed to sing some Christmas carols using revised lyrics when they attend a carol service and nativity (nativity play?) at the local church. I assume this means the children were invited by the church. I also assume this means the church would have final say on what type of songs gets sung. If the kids wanted to sing something unrelated to the church service, like “Mary Had a Little Lamb,” the church could say no. So, this seems like a church problem to me and not a school problem. I don’t get the point of inviting people to your church for Christmas and then completely ignoring why Christ’s birth is being celebrated. Why is the church even involved? Don’t they have some kind of service on Christmas Day for the members of their church?
CogitoErgoSum says
I think I do see what is going on here now. There really is a Festivus, or whatever you want to call it, that has been celebrated in Western countries for many years now. It’s something completely separate from the Christian celebration of the birth of Christ and has nothing to do with God or religion. The school could celebrate this totally secular holiday with an all school party that includes the singing of songs like “Jingle Bells” and “Rudolph the Red-nose Reindeer” and everybody could attend at a location such as the school auditorium or some rented hall somewhere. On the other hand, the church could hold its Christmas celebrations as completely separate from the school but still invite anyone and everyone to attend. I don’s see the need for Muslims to have any say over the church’s activities nor for the church to have any say over the school’s activities. It really should not be a problem.
gravenimage says
CogitoErgoSum, Muslims target celebrations of secular Christmas, as well. Have you missed the attacks on Christmas markets, tree-lighting ceremonies, and Christmas shoppers?
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, I’ve noticed they don’t like Festivus either and as I mentioned in another comment under another news topic, nothing ever makes Muslims happy. Their ultimate goal is total submission … and that comes only when a person is dead.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, CogitoErgoSum.
Chrissie J says
But you’ll notice that muslims don’t mind having the paid, days off work for Christian festivals!!
Brian says
Stories like this will continue to become common. As the demographics of the country change, the “new” arrivals will demand to see more of their culture and less of the old culture. The only way to stop the change is to stop the change in the demographics.
Most Muslims do not move to England because they think English culture is superior. They move there with the ultimate goal of changing English culture to what they consider to be a superior culture, Islamic.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Brian.
Peter35 says
So which country will become the latest ‘stan’ first, Englistan or Swedistan?
Save Europe says
France
Sweden
Germany
Belgium
Netherlands
Great Britain
In that order. You missed out quite a few countries between ‘England’ and Sweden.
However, I’ve always believed there will be wars, and these ‘Stans’ you claim may not happen.
But you almost sound amused and joyful at the prospect of ‘Stans.’
It isn’t.
notnolib says
As a Jew, I can say that I’ve never had any problem singing the songs as written, and enjoying the Christmas season. I don’t see it as a threat, an insult, or an affront. After all, I’m NOT a muslim.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
As a Jew, I can say that I’ve never had any problem singing the songs as written…
I suggest that’s because you had a good upbringing, and your religion taught you good morals and humanitarianism, unlike some other religion I could name. In short, you’re a good person who poses no threat because your religious indoctrination was peaceful and eclectic, unlike islam that is so intolerant that it kills over a cartoon or harmless joke. You’re morally sane, while islam is morally insane. That’s it in a nutshell.
Carol the 1st says
And that nutshell almost invariably turns into a pressure cooker for the human brain. Could it be those brains are trying to tell their custodians something?
gravenimage says
Thank you, notnolib.
Crusades Were Right says
Presumably we can look forward to Islamic countries “toning down” the Islam in order that the non-Muslims in them can feel at ease. Any day now, I’m sure. lol
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
…right, like when hell freezes over. 😉
gravenimage says
In England, Muslims Turning Christmas Into Festivus
………………
And this, of course, is just an interim step. Ultimately for Muslims “Festivus” (or Winter festival, or whatever they choose to call it) is almost as offensive as is Christmas.
Infidel says
Given their numbers in the Ummah Kaliphate, I’m surprised that they haven’t demanded that the various Eids replace all Christian holidays, be it Christmas, Good Friday, Lent and Easter.
gravenimage says
Its coming, Infidel–and with Hindu and all other non-Muslim celebrations as well.
gravenimage says
It’s
James says
I will be impressed when Muslims change their religious prayers, scriptures, services and other doctrines to make them conform to Christian and Jewish or Buddhist and Hindu beliefs, so that members of these religions will not be offended. But they will not do that, because their religion is sacred, unlike the others.
Carol the 1st says
It must be some bastardized definition of “sacred” then because it doesn’t bode well for the real world. Islam is just an ego-crutch, an excuse, and a meal ticket.
gravenimage says
Spot on about the Muslim attitude, James.
SAFI says
Let’s abolish our identity so we can be “inclusive”(of those who want us dead) Yay!
Giacomo Latta says
I don’t why muslims aren’t absolutely crazy, about Christmas that is. Look at the nativity scene. There’s a lamb there ready to have its throat split. There is a woman so they can shout ”she’s a Jew” so that, even though she’s a Jew, they will be more than eager to rape her. Or, since she’s not married to the guy there (no consummation, no marriage) they can stone her to death. As for the little pearl in swaddling clothes, well…
Fred Middleton says
Muslims should not expect, or want, to be involved in CHRISTmas any more than I want to be involved in EId.
Wilfred Quadros says
By hook or by crook…just get there. That’s the motive
JamesC says
The “traditional Christian message” is that Jesus is Lord. The status of Jesus as Lord is inseparable from the Good News of the Reign of God, because it is in and through Jesus that God reigns on Earth. The Crucifixion & Resurrection are means by which the Lord Jesus reigns and is exalted as Universal King.
Take away the Lordship of Christ, & you gut the Gospel.
Jesus is also Lord, because He is JHWH Incarnate. Not a mere Prophet, but the God Who sent the Prophets, and Whose word they spoke.
It is intolerable that a crucial tenet of the Christian faith should be diluted like this.