1. If Lea Tsemel defended “white supremacists” or “right-wing extremists,” would an adoring biopic of her be shortlisted for an Oscar? Right.
2. Israel is a country that respects human rights. As detestable as the idea of defending jihadis may be, they’re entitled to representation. How many lawyers in Muslim countries would defend a Jew who was accused of anything? Right.
“Biopic about Israeli attorney for accused Palestinian terrorists shortlisted for Oscar,” by Sam Sokol, JTA, December 17, 2019:
JERUSALEM (JTA) — An Israeli film about an Israeli attorney who is well known for representing Palestinians accused of terrorist acts has been shortlisted for an Academy Award.
“Advocate,” which has proven popular abroad and sparked controversy at home, was tapped in the best documentary feature category, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences announced Monday evening.
The attorney, Lea Tsemel, has represented the alleged rapist and murderer of Jewish-Israeli teenager Ori Ansbacher, who was found dead in the Jerusalem Forest in February, The Times of Israel reported.
The biopic portrays Tsemel’s involvement in two recent cases in which her clients were convicted of terrorist offenses….
MBR says
Remind me please: What happened to the judge and the defending lawyer in the Asia Bibi blasphemy case in Pakistan? She was a Christian, not a Jew.
gravenimage says
Muslims target Jews just as they do Christians–that’s the whole point. This Jihad terrorist in Israel was targeting Jews in Israel.
Battle says
If memory serves correctly, Asia Bibi’s lawyer had to flee to England. He had to defend from England.
gravenimage says
Yes–taking a sip of water and saying you love Jesus, unforgivable; trying to murder innocent people, praiseworthy. Muslim “ethics”.
MBR says
Many thanks. In addition of course, “minorities minister Shahbaz Bhatti and Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer were both assassinated for advocating on her behalf and opposing the blasphemy laws”.(wiki)
Battle says
“How many lawyers from Muslim countries would defend a Jew who was accused of anything?” -Robert Spencer
Robert Spencer hits nail on head. Good. +100
gravenimage says
Jihad chic: Biopic about Israeli attorney for accused “Palestinian” jihad terrorists shortlisted for Oscar
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I have always hated this “Radical Chic” and sympathy for the devil crap–just appalling, but very popular with elements of the Left since before the ’60s.
James says
Typical leftist compassion. Citizens and non-criminals, rapists, terrorists or Salafists do not get any compassion, but the worst sorts of people arouse defensive feelings. They suffer so much! Victims of bigotry. Awful Zionists. What does one expect.
Sue says
I think it’s time to treat muslims like nazis – if they try to kill us and get defeated. They get to starve and get their land taken away. They dont’ get to overbreed and train future generations to kill us. End of story.
gravenimage says
Actually. Nazis got legal representation–remember the Nuremberg Trials?
And we didn’t starve Germans–far from it. Under the Marshall Plan we helped the Germans rebuild.
But we defeated the Fascists first.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“And we didn’t starve Germans–far from it. Under the Marshall Plan we helped the Germans rebuild.”
This is true to a great extent. Especially true with noble actions like the Berlin Airlift (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Blockade).
(Please note that most of the funds from the Marshall Plan were given to the Allies, not the Axis countries. Although post-war Germany did receive some rebuilding funds, most went to the UK, France and others. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan#/media/File:Marshall_Plan.svg)
But these don’t negate outrages like the Rhine Meadow Camp Atrocities (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinwiesenlager). Most Americans are ignorant of this and other American WWII atrocities. (Although, it must be said that most of the blame for the Rhine Meadow Camp Atrocities falls squarely on SHAEF Commander-In-Chief Dwight D. Eisenhower’s head.)
Here is an extract from the testimony of one American trooper who was there: https://ww2gravestone.com/an-american-rhine-meadows-camp-guard-speaks-out/
There is a lot more about this online if one is willing to search for it. And let me remind the reader that if they feel compelled to present retribution as a justification then remember that almost all atrocities are committed in the name of self-defense and/or retribution.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUNEpyaPlDs
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
My post regarding the Rhine Meadows Camp Atrocities was not accepted by this site. I don’t know why since all historians agree that something awful happened there and it was done intentionally. (They do not agree on the number of dead. They do not agree on who to blame. Was it SHAEF commander in chief Dwight D. Eisenhower or did the orders come from higher up?) This evidence and other evidence clearly disproves the assertion that the Allies were the noble saviours of the defeated German people.
To the Americans’ credit, they did support the Berliners with the Berlin Airlift. But one could say that this was done, not out of noble intent, but rather to stymie the Soviets’ ambitions.
As to the Marshall plan. Yes, some funds were allocated to the Germans but most were allocated to the UK, France and the allies.
Perhaps my comment will show up eventually, I don’t know. As an alternative I have posted the above youtube video. It is a translated version of an old German-made documentary on the subject. I do so with great reticence since I suspect the people who translated it and posted it have some kind German ultra-nationalist affiliation. Oh well, the truth will out in one form or another.
BTW, gravenimage, the Germans were ruled by the Nazi Party, not the Fascists. They are related ideologically but are definitely not the same thing.
gravenimage says
The Rhine Meadow Camps were poorly run, overcrowded, and overwhelmed, no doubt–but calling them “death camps” is absurd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinwiesenlager
The Allies did make mistakes–but the implication that they were no different from the genocidal Nazis is ludicrous.
And the claim that the Nazis were not Fascists is ridiculous–Nazism is a form of Fascism.
And we did indeed rebuild Germany, Italy, and Japan after the war–the implication that the Fascists would do the same for the nations they conquered and enslaved is grotesque.
I can only guess that this false moral equivalence is intended to denigrate goodness, and imply that it is no better than evil. *Ugh*.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Nope. They were not poorly run. They were intentionally designed to kill. Read the wikipedia article. Intentionally labeling POWs as “Disarmed Enemy Forces (DEFs)” (to avoid following ratified conventions) keeping the Red Cross relief at bay, keeping the locals who wanted to help away (they were threatened with execution) is a war crime.
There are American soldiers who were present who have made sworn statements that this all happened. In their testimony they made it clear that aid was available and plentiful, but unreasonably harsh treatment was mandated to effect as many deaths as possible. These American troopers were told that if they or anyone else aided the prisoners they would be court marshaled or shot on sight. All these facts are undisputed by historians. Only the numbers are in dispute.
And the Nazi Party was not the Fascists. They are historically and ideologically distinct. They did share in the anti-Communist, authoritarian, intolerant, violent, militarist, Social Darwinist zeitgeist of the age. Early in their histories the Nazis and the Fascist were mostly at each other throats. Of course, if you are using the terms as convenient insults … then … conflate away!
I spoke up because your original statement is demonstrably false. That’s all.
gravenimage says
No, .the Allies did not run death camps.
And the idea that Nazis and Fascists were at war with each other is absurd–the Italians under Mussolini were Fascist. Pretending that the Axis were not allies is bizarre. Nazism is just the form of Fascism under Hitler.
All I can glean from this is a whitewash of Fascism and smearing of the Allies who fought against Fascism.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“No, .the Allies did not run death camps.”
The historical record disagrees with you.
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“And the idea that Nazis and Fascists were at war with each other is absurd–the Italians under Mussolini were Fascist. Pretending that the Axis were not allies is bizarre. Nazism is just the form of Fascism under Hitler.”
Again, the historical record disagrees with you. An example:
“Engelbert Dollfuss was an Austrian politician who served as Chancellor of Austria between 1932 and 1934. … he shut down parliament, assumed dictatorial powers. Suppressing the Socialist movement in February 1934 during the Austrian Civil War and later banned the Austrian Nazi party, …. Dollfuss was assassinated as part of a failed coup attempt by Nazi agents in 1934. ”
– From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Dollfuss
And likewise, there are plenty of examples of co-operation between the two camps. The bombing of Guernica (if you hold that Franco was a Fascist and not a Francoist), and Hitler coming to Mussolini’s aid are just two that come to mind.
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“All I can glean from this is a whitewash of Fascism and smearing of the Allies who fought against Fascism.”
Your insinuation is insulting and unnecessary. (I will not rebut an insult with another insult.) My intention is not to “smear” or “whitewash.” My intention is to bring just a little bit more truth to the light of day. Oversimplified histories and opinions can hide many wrongs and many rights.
gravenimage says
Flavius Claudius Iulianus wrote:
“No, .the Allies did not run death camps.”
The historical record disagrees with you.
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Flavius, why would the Allies run a single death camp? (unless you are claiming that all POW camps were death camps)
And if the Allies intended to wipe out all members of the Axis, they did a damn poor job of it–what with that Marshall Plan and all. Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the model of the Holocaust…
More:
“And the idea that Nazis and Fascists were at war with each other is absurd–the Italians under Mussolini were Fascist. Pretending that the Axis were not allies is bizarre. Nazism is just the form of Fascism under Hitler.”
Again, the historical record disagrees with you. An example:
“Engelbert Dollfuss was an Austrian politician who served as Chancellor of Austria between 1932 and 1934. … he shut down parliament, assumed dictatorial powers. Suppressing the Socialist movement in February 1934 during the Austrian Civil War and later banned the Austrian Nazi party, …. Dollfuss was assassinated as part of a failed coup attempt by Nazi agents in 1934. ”
– From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Dollfuss
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Of course there was jockeying for power among the bloody Fascists–just look at the “Night of the Long Knives”,which I have mentioned many times.
But the Axis were indeed allied. The implication that Nazi Germany, Italy, and Han were not allies during WWII is just quite bizarre. That was, in fact, why Nazi Germany declared war on the United States after Pearl Harbor, since we were going to defend ourselves after an attack from Japan.
More:
And likewise, there are plenty of examples of co-operation between the two camps. The bombing of Guernica (if you hold that Franco was a Fascist and not a Francoist), and Hitler coming to Mussolini’s aid are just two that come to mind.
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Yes–these are all Fascists.
More:
“All I can glean from this is a whitewash of Fascism and smearing of the Allies who fought against Fascism.”
Your insinuation is insulting and unnecessary. (I will not rebut an insult with another insult.) My intention is not to “smear” or “whitewash.” My intention is to bring just a little bit more truth to the light of day. Oversimplified histories and opinions can hide many wrongs and many rights.
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I think your posts pretty much speak for themselves.
That Fascism and fighting the Fascists are morally equivalent is something I reject. That doesn’t mean that those who stand against evil are perfect–but it does mean their stance is in the right.
The same is true of those who stand against Jihad, whatever you might think.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Civil rights groups [that is, the National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM) and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association] want to challenge Quebec religious symbols ban in Supreme Court (of Canada)”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bill-21-challenge-seek-leave-to-appeal-1.5400738
‘”We told Quebecers and Canadians that we would not stop our work until this unjust law has been defeated,” said Mustafa Farooq, executive director of the NCCM.’
‘Legault has repeatedly told Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to stay out of the legal battle.
“I can understand that he’s against Bill 21, but I’m asking him to respect a decision that has been taken by a majority of Quebecers, by a nation,” he said last week.’
gravenimage says
These Muslim groups are not “civil rights groups”:
“The Islamist background of the National Council of Canadian Muslims”
https://pointdebasculecanada.ca/islamist-background-national-council-canadian-muslims-missing-recent-la-presse-article/
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Canada again votes at UN to back Palestinian self-determination”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/palestine-israel-canada-un-1.5401124
Roland says
Leah Tsemel has a long history of leftist anti-Zionist activism. She naturally defends terrorists out of conviction as well as money. Why do you allow irrelevant comments on this page?
OREN WYSOCKI says
No ‘palestinian’ would defend an Israeli in any conflict with a muslim. Then they and their leftist allies claim it is unfair for Jews to oppose islamic representation which will be used to violate the rights, freedoms and safety of Jews which the left will censor. A very tidy set of lies to justify leftist and muslim racism against Jews.
Like giving nazis the right to violently attack Jews, while censoring it on the news, and refusing to acknowledge it is happening, while claiming any Jew complaining about nazis is A racist. Disgusting. In G-d I trust.
The democratic leadership are monsters, because their voters are monsters, who hate white people and Jews for how they were born. In G-d I trust.