There needs to be a thorough and realistic reevaluation of this training program of foreign nationals. But that probably will not happen; it would be “Islamophobic.”
“Six Saudis are arrested over Pensacola naval base shooting including three who FILMED the attack by countryman who killed three and wounded eight before being shot dead – as FBI probes terror link,” by Andrew Court and Snejana Farberov, Dailymail.com, December 6, 2019:
The Air Force trainee who killed three and injured eight when he opened fire at a naval base in Florida assailed the United States as ‘a nation of evil’ before he went on his shooting rampage, AFP reports.
The man, first identified by NBC News as Saudi national Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, opened fire inside a classroom at Naval Air Station in Pensacola early Friday morning. Police quickly responded to the scene and he was shot dead.
US officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation, said the suspect was a second lieutenant attending the aviation school at the base.
Meanwhile six other Saudi nationals were arrested near the base shortly after the attack, as investigators began to probe a terror link.
Three of the six were seen filming the entire incident as it unfolded, a source told The New York Times on Friday evening….
Roderick MacUalraig says
Even after this, naturally and once again, nothing will change.
Wellington says
Sadly, I agree. Until Islam is seen for the malevolent and disgusting religion that it is then only short-term tactical victories here and there will occasionally occur against it. What should be going on is grand strategy which would entail treating Islam as the West did for centuries before the advent of the Age of Nonsense which had its beginnings in the 1960’s, a decade I have come to loathe.
Carly says
Very smartly said!. 100% agree!
oldschool says
This could have been much, much worse, you know. This pilot could have decided to do his jihad stunt in an airplane. That would have potentially killed hundreds. We need to keep these people out of the US. It is ridiculous that we allow them here not to mention on our military bases. We should hold accountable whoever okayed the program to allow any – ANY – foreign nationals to train in our country – whether in commercial flight training, universities or military bases. We should shut down any programs which involve foreign students in technological, military, computer, communications or transportation programs. Shut them down and return these “students’ to their homelands.
Dale says
It’s really not a religion per say. It’s an ideology disguised as a religion. It’s not peaceful it’s demonic. It needs to be recognized for what it is. It’s a war on America that started in 1979 and continues to today inside our country.
gravenimage says
Islam is both an evil religion and a violent ideology.
Mahendra Singh says
Islam is goonda-ism (criminal conduct) with a thin veneer of spiritualism, which has been stolen from nobler faiths like Christianity and Judaism) Mohammad, the conman
packaged it and, the impoverished Arabs eagerly boughty.
This perhaps is the only religion in which victors are permitted to capture women from the losing side, grade them, apportion them to the winning side according to rank. The used women are sold wholesale to the sex markets of the Muslim world.
Trick_or_Treat says
Only thing is, it’s NOT a religion, it’s a political and military manifesto.
Wellington says
It’s all three, an unholy trinity if ever there were one.
Hipster_bluff says
The official definition of the German BND: Islam is a fascist ideology that ONLY due the cultural history timeline, receives the the protection of a religion. I always feel like this hits the nail the best.
gravenimage says
Agree, Wellington.
Jayell says
But it’s not a ‘religion’! It’s always been a crudely-plagiarised, pseudo-religious scam fronting the world’s original proto-Nazi, Arab-supremacist, fascist political ideology. As long as iit holds onto its spurious ‘religion’ tag it will always enjoy this false respectability with all the world’s deluded idiots who won’t/can’t/can’t be bothered to accept otherwise.
mortimer says
Jayell, please LEARN something before you show your lack of knowledge.
The Arabic word din is often translated as “religion,” but this is misleading because the term “religion” in the English language is usually restricted to personal worship, whereas din refers to every aspect of life.
Din is accurately translated into English as ‘governance’ than ‘religion’.
DIN or DEEN is closest in meaning to the English equivalent ‘GOVERNANCE’. Islam is a GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM that regulates every aspect of life. Din or deen is an Arabic word often mistranslated as “creed” or “religion”. “Din” is a word that features heavily in Islam. Both mainstream and reformist Muslim writers take the word ‘deen’ to mean an all-encompassing WAY OF LIFE carried out under the auspices of Allah’s purpose as expressed in the Qur’an and hadiths. As one ‘progressive’ Muslim writer puts it, far from being a private aspect of life discretely carried out in the mosque, “Islam is Dīn, a complete way of life”.
Islam is a ‘din’, a complete system of life and governance and religion all combined in one.
Got that ?
gravenimage says
Islam is a religion–it is just an evil one.
Sabri S. says
Has nothing to do with Islam bigot….even if he were jewish or christian… a bullet doesnt discriminate or have a religion. Your racist government does.
PRCS says
And you’ll retract that when it’s proven it had EVERYTHING to do with Islam?
Joe1 says
What is the common denominator between the 6 people?
You are unwittingly correct in saying that Islam is bigotry. Your English is lacking.
Fox_Hunt says
The motivation or the reason why the gun is fired is not relevant? Was it fired in self defence? No.
Linde Barrera says
To Sabri S- You qualify for delusional. The US gets involved because Muslim governments ask the US to get involved, and because the US government is not made up of the most discerning people, we stupidly get involved in Muslim vs Muslim fights.
It is disgusting and so are people with your mentality, Sabri S.
vlparker says
Sorry, but your lies won’t work here. Most of us have read the koran. We know what islam is.
FYI says
The islamic apologist says in effect..
“islamic Terrorism has nothing to do with terrorism committed by muslims {who subscribe to islam}”
ISLam has nothing to do with islAM
Trick_or_Treat says
Sabri S.: I can only hope and pray to [THE] Almighty God that, one day very soon, you will suddenly be ‘red-pilled’ good and proper about muhammad, the qur’an, allah, and the whole reeking truth about islam.
Well, you never know, stranger things happen at sea.
gravenimage says
It was not *a bullet* that killed the people at this military base, but a Jihadist.
Then, he is claiming that the US is “racist” for opposing Muslims murdering us.
And Linde–Sabri S. is not delusional–he is lying.
Lion heart says
Wellington : as a Canadian Christian guy myself originally from Iraq , I said MANY TIMES before and I repeat it once again as Iraqi Christian ancestors said it many centuries ago “ If a Muslim is a piece of gold, don’t put it in your pocket otherwise it will rip through “ meaning they will betray Christians and any other non-Muslims when they have the chance to do it ! and I even many of the Iraqi Muslims who worked with the US army as interpreters stabbed the Americans in the back who turned out to be working with Islamic terrorists by snitching on Americans to their fellow terrorists through showing the terrorists the whereabouts of American military convoys and their destination in order that the terrorists would ambush the Americans .
Sharon ODONNELL says
THEN blame 1950s when THEy kicked God. OUT of schools.+
And now There’s sex offender Drag queen Story hour at the Public library!
Scoff
WE don’t need to train or import terrorists in the USA.
Shouldn’t be allowed on Our bases at all.
Revoke and Deport .
Send a pilot trainer to their sand hole.
We will No longer Train Muslim foreigners on US bases.
Obviously for security reasons.
The God of Israel Is Real.
Believe In His SON+
Roderick MacUalraig says
All I feel is cold fury. If I thought it was possible I’d drive over to NAS & NATTC, present myself to the CO in my dress blues, and offer to behead all accomplices and collaborators in custody in front of a formation of all the Sailors and Marines aboard the base. There are savages in the ranks. Not just golfers. And they’ll be needed. Because this isn’t going to stop. SHAME that it’s Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day and the enemy is still boarding our bases and making us their prison bitch. Every American warrior should be FURIOUS!
Miggy says
Think you got it right…Islam either changes..or it will be pushed out into the open for what it is..a sickly women hating ideology.
Sabri S. says
Seriously…is there no single event that you people wont exploit? You wouldn’t say these insults and exaggerations if it were a member of the israeli IDF. Think about it. The us trains and supports mercenaries and puppet regimes all over the earth! Time for a regime change…
Peacedoc says
The chances of it being an Israeli or the IDF are zero. But thanks for bringing your bigotry to the table.
Ed says
LOL do you think this just started with Trump? It’s been happening right under your nose for over 40 years that I know of!
Trick_or_Treat says
…1400 years.
oldschool says
I guess because the IDF didn’t shoot up the naval base???
Peacedoc says
You think? Israelis love America. They are literally the Jew in Judeo Christian culture.
Westman says
Perhaps you could explain why Saudi military personnel filmed the attack instead of stopping it? No bravery, or, just what they wanted? Their non-action speaks louder than words.
It’s what Islam does that makes it the retrograde, ignorance preserving, violent force it is. We have thought about it and the only time there will be peace, “from the river to the sea”, is when there is no Islam present.
Linde Barrera says
To Sabri S- Were you complaining when Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush each during their own administrations were sucking up and offering a toast with liquor to the Saudi kings, or holding their hands for reassurance. ? I saw photos of these happenings.
Also, Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. But let us all never forget, Muslim majority countries hate democracy, they all want Sharia’h laws for the whole world. ?
Really Sabri S. you need a head shrinker to prescribe anti-delusional medicine.
Norger says
Seriously, are you suggesting that this was anything other than a jihad terror attack? When was the last time an Israeli IDF officer opened fire on US military personnel at a US military base? (Pretty sure that would be never). Newsflash: There is no theological mandate in Judaism to wage war against non-believers. There is one and only one religion which can be reliably counted on to have some subset of its members consistently engage in this kind of random violence (and it has been this way for centuries). Think about THAT if you are even capable of rational thought (which I doubt).
Saudi military personnel should not be allowed to train at US military facilities. Muslims in the US military should be subject to extra scrutiny (won’t happen, but should). We’re sick of the “religion of peace.”
Danny Cox says
That’s it my Friend!! Case Closed…nothing else to be said.??
underbed cat says
What event might that be ? Could it be the event of a fixed law ? Are you holding one’s tongue such as not being critical of another muslim or Islam? Or The Muslim is the brother of the Muslim. He does not betray him, or hang back from coming to his aid.? Protecting his life? You are correct we should not train or trust him. Unless he is freed from the doctrine. Are you all in on the Cairo Declaration that freedom of repression from expression that could expose Islam? You would not like the slander laws of Islam to be known which includes factual analysis? Do you consider these facts hate speech? “Time for a regime change”…: who or what are you referring? Nothng to do with Islam or military from the heart of Islam. Except they filmed it, as usual, exploitation, no?
gravenimage says
How dare we “exploit” Jihadists mass murdering us? Bad, bad dhimmis…
Larry A. Singleton says
Comments like yours are why these comments need a thumbs up feature. Yeah; Simply and exactly; Nothing will change,
Most of all because we live in a country that know longer reads. Worse, I think that, for too many reasons to get into here, we lack the “will” to defend ourselves as a nation. I grew up around the Greatest Generation and this isn’t a World War II generation that’s for sure.
Mario Alexis Portella says
Hmmm?! I thought the Saudis were our friends?!?! That’s what Trump said!!! https://thegreatarchitect.blog/2019/12/07/3642/
gravenimage says
This poster constantly claims that it is Americans who are responsible for Jihad.
vlparker says
Workplace violence. Happens all the time. Nothing to see here.
gravenimage says
Six Saudi Muslims arrested near Naval Air Station after jihad attack, three of them filmed the massacre
……………….
Glad they’ve been arrested.
Trick_or_Treat says
..yep, some people did something [again]….yawn.
Save Europe says
I’ve always said – EVERY Western Country MUST sever links, in every way, with Saudi!
Think of the big picture! If it means US ALL losing out on several billions on weapons sales to them, and some jobs in our countries, then sadly, so be it.
To compensate any workers who lose their jobs, simply, support them while they look for work elsewhere by cutting off ALL foreign aid to EVERY Muslim nation.
We can still support, also, Israel, but NOT by siding with Saudi against Iran. How about disliking Saudi, as much as we dislike Iran. Plus frankly, the likes of Pakistan, Qatar and Kuwait, are equally vile.
Wellington says
I advocate, Save Europe, a new containment doctrine, this time applied to the Islamic world as it was formerly to the Communist world. Occasionally, as during the Cold War, the West led by America can play off one Muslim polity against another, but it should never be lost sight of that Islam, all of it, is a mortal enemy of Western Civilization.
Hope you are doing well. The world sure isn’t.
Norger says
I have long held a similar view. Islam should be isolated (to the extent possible) and contained.
gravenimage says
Yes–we were almost entirely safe when Islam was isolated.
Save Europe says
Absolutely, indeed. I agree, Wellington. There needs to be a permanent schism between ‘us and them.’
I’m well. Hope you are too my friend.
All the best to you ?
oldschool says
Our colleges and universities and our commercial flight training schools are making a big honking profit. We should regard them as traitors to our country and treated as such. The people in positions of deciding to let these people in should be put on trial. The military “minds” who permit this need to be court-martialed and held responsible for these needless deaths and injuries. Find out where the buck actually stops. If it is in the Joint Chiefs, bust ’em.
Trick_or_Treat says
+1 ?
tgusa says
But what could the impossible motive behind this crime be?
Means, motive and opportunity, questions that are a staple of investigation and hopefully bringing the perpetrator to justice in every crime that is committed in the US.
We know the means, he was given the opportunity, what is missing?
Robin Datta says
The motive “has nothing to do with Islam!”
Trick_or_Treat says
Hoping that was with sarcasm switched on?!
The ‘motive’ is the parts in their filthy digusting qur’an that demand that everybody else should be killed!
Infidel says
I know that the President does not want to upset the arrangement of the Saudis spending half a trillion on US weaponry or investing 100 billion in Wall Street or underwriting 6% of US debt, but…
We need to review this alliance. Yeah, he’s a CEO, I’ve been in marketing and I get the importance of numbers. But against this is the risk that US citizens are being exposed to by allowing so many Saudis here. Even if we assume that we have to support Riyadh in every war they fight, there is nothing that requires us to allow Saudi citizens here.
Time has come to quietly add Saudi Arabia to the list of countries covered by the Travel Ban. If we need to train them on how to fly those expensive planes we sold them, let it be done in Saudi Arabia, either by videoconferencing or online tutorials, or if the trainers agree, sending them to Riyadh.
But no more Saudis in the US!
Ed says
We do this with far more countries than Saudi. All of which should be suspect. Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Egypt. And some of them get initial training here in the US with follow on contracts overseas. And just a note this has been going on long before Trump!
Infidel says
The Saudis are the big kahunas when it comes to controlling oil prices and underwriting US debt. I’m not sure how much of that is done by Kuwait, Qatar and UAE. But Egypt is a US aid recipient – not an investor. There is nothing that the US stands to lose by dropping Egypt.
Linde Barrera says
To infidel- I agree 100% with your excellent comment. Might you call the White House comment line and express that opinion? 1-202-456-1111 Monday-Friday, 9-5. I will call Monday also and express your excellent idea to the operator who supposedly conveys it to President Trump’s assistants who supposedly conveys it to President Trump.
Mario Alexis Portella says
Very true, but Trump said he was going to fix it and he hasn’t. No difference from Obama. Obama was pro-Iran, Trump is pro-Saudi. Yet who attacked us on 9/11?
Infidel says
It’s not so much that he’s pro-Saudi: he’s pro money, and he sees the financial pitfalls of a fallout w/ Riyadh. So that’s a public conversation that we need to have. Yeah, drop Saudi Arabia by all means, but make it an informed decision, keeping in mind the financial repercussions that follow. And justify it by saying that not one American life is worth all those trillions
Norger says
In response, we will hear that this is a”complicated” issue and that it’s just not “realistic” to cut ties with Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile, we’re giving the Saudis the financial means to spread their ultra-hateful brand of Islam everywhere (including within our own country), so they can set the world on fire. Our political leaders are nowhere near as clever as they think they are.
Mario Alexis Portella says
+1
Peacedoc says
It’s not their government. Saudi needs us far more than we need them, to protect their oil fields. Time to dictate exactly what we will and won’t tolerate from the Islamist hate preaching Wahhabi doctrine. Change it or else.
Mario Alexis Portella says
Amen to that!!! It’s all about money
John says
No further evidence should be needed to prove islam needs to be KICKED Out of Western Civilisations and be made ILLEGAL. islam has only Conquered Nations to control them. islam is not the the cultural owner of any Country.
Fox_Hunt says
Japan: NO muslim is allowed to buy soil, house or an apartment. Praying has to be done at home – NO mosques. ONLY Japanese issued Quorans are legal, NO writings in Arabic. Plus: A muslim is/ was (even pre 9/11) base for constant surveillance (mail, phone, email,…). If the Japanese Government sees a need to be so strict…
Danny Cox says
Excellent information, I wasn’t aware of this. I don’t hear anyone calling the Japanese Islamophobic. They obviously have their act together better than we do. Speaking of Japan, I love the Irony when I saw the date of your comment…
gravenimage says
This is not, of course, true at all. Japan *does* limit Muslim immigration, which is wise, But the claim that Japan does not allow Mosques is *quite* false:
https://traveltriangle.com/blog/mosques-in-japan/
It is also untrue that Qur’ans in Arabic are forbidden there.
Infidel says
Japan actually limits ALL immigration. Plus the entire Japanese language and culture pose a very high barrier to entry, as opposed to English speaking countries, that have led to English being so ubiquitous that the entry barriers are pretty much non existent
gravenimage says
True, Infidel.
RonaldB says
Does this mean they flunk flight training?
Jim says
Much like any other thraing program that requires great risk the ones that involve Muslims do too.
Allen Buher says
The problem doesn’t just lye with 6 saudi muslims POG, this is due wholly to politicians from the party of jackasses and a few rinos who allowed these Asswipes into our country and train on our military bases! As if 9/11 wasn’t enough of a brick up side the head to Our Nation! What do these stupid idiots need to turn the lights on??? I can only hope the families that lost a loved one in the tragic event with go after this TREASONIST SWINE SCUM and ask for the Death Penality!!! ??? Do not let this message die folks cope and paste! Share the Hell out of it!!!!
Joe says
Time for an eye for an eye.
somehistory says
My eyes won’t allow me to read the comments, nor even the entire news report, so I may repeat what another has said.
If 3 were seen filming the attack…they must have been in the classroom, as the shooter was murdering in the classroom. How many saudi moslims attended the classes? And were the other 3 also in the classroom, just not filming?
And the terror “link” is the same as every other moslim terror attack is “linked”…to islam. islam links all of the attacks together…no matter where the attack is perpetrated, no matter in which nation the perp was born or happens to live, no matter his age, his background…new convert or family infested from years ago…the link is the same…islam, islam, always islam.
It comes from their filthy book and in their mind, it supersedes all ‘real’ Laws…those created by Divine action, a.k.a. ‘the Laws of Nature,” and any and all of man-made laws. Within or without, al queda, hamas, hezbollah, boko haram, moslim brohood, ..the link is the same. Following the lawless commands of a mass-murdering, raper of children, lying son of satan…is the “link.”
Danny Cox says
Outstanding! I concur…
somehistory says
Thank you!
Larry says
Send them all to Gitmo, and shut down this dumbass program.
rubiconcrest says
… but the airmen came from good Muslim families.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
If the three Saudi cineastes just stood there and did nothing stop the murderer,or to warn others to flee, but instead filmed it — apparently proudly recording the killings as they , occurred, 20 years sounds about right.
Norger says
It strikes me that filming the jihad terror attack (presumably to glorify the event on the internet) also suggests,that those filming were reasonably confident that they would not be shot; I.e. that the wannabe jihad internet videographers had some advance knowledge of this event. I’m a lawyer, but not a criminal lawyer. However, I’m wondering if there isn’t enough here to charge these 3 with some sort of overt act in the futherance of this jihad terror triple murder, so they face life.
salim chata (@salimchata) says
luckily these attacks shed lights on the Islamic belief system, moslems behaviour, and their political project .It is easy to eliminate a bunch of armed terrorists .but it will impossible to eliminate voting moslem individuals as they grow in number . some European countries are in danger of loosing their identity and way of living .e.g FRANCE ,SWEDEN ,NETHERLAND.Their western civilisation is danger.
Fred says
Hate speech laws will prevent anyone from saying this has anything to do with Islam. Hate speech laws are only designed to silence all criticism about Islam.
Lillie says
Europes civilization is in danger because the muslims reproduce like rabbits and live off the countrty they are in while they refuse to assimilate. The natives need to have more children or they will be outnumbered 8 to 1 and bye bye Europe and your culture and replaced with shitaria (same for America). The immigration should never have been allowed. The smart countries are the ones who did not let them in. Muslims think you owe them something; it is the other way around.
tim gallagher says
Like most people I was sickened by this latest Muslim terrorist attack, but then I was even more staggered when I heard about these three Muslim scumbags filming it. I found it hard to believe.That seemed to me to be an almost unbelievable level of evil, but, then again, Islam just never fails to throw up greater and greater levels of evil ( the completely inhumane activities of ISIS setting a level of evil that is hard to beat). I suppose that they needed to arrest these other Saudi pieces of trash because they may have important information, but my immediate thought was that they really should have just shot dead the three maggots who were filming the terrorist murders. I mean these pieces of Muslim garbage would have been filming the attack because they thought it was wonderful, so I’d bring their enjoyment and their lives to a very swift end. But I guess, probably rightly, we don’t dispense justice like that in civilised, western countries. These people, these oxygen thieves, are so unbelievably evil.