Why weren’t they investigated for this kind of thing before they got here, and before the Pensacola jihad massacre? Because to have done so would have been “Islamophobic.”
“AG Bill Barr demands Apple unlock two phones used by Saudi cadet responsible for shooting at Pensacola Navy base to see if he acted alone as he says the attack WAS terrorism motivated by ‘jihadist ideology,'” by Megan Sheets and Valerie Edwards, Dailymail.com, January 13, 2020 (thanks to Frank):
US Attorney General William Barr has demanded that Apple unlock two cellphones used by a gunman who carried out a mass shooting at a Florida military base….
But according to Barr, Saudi Arabia provided ‘complete and total support’ to the American investigation of the incident.
The attorney general also announced that the United States is removing 21 Saudi military students from a training program and sending them back to Saudi Arabia following the investigation.
Fifteen of the 21 cadets had contact with child pornography and possessed jihadist or anti-American material, Barr said.
Of the 21 cadets, 17 had social media profiles containing jihadi or anti-American content.
None of the cadets are accused of having advanced knowledge of the shooting.
It was not immediately clear on what grounds the students were being removed from the program, though the official said they were not suspected of having played any role in the attack.
Officials have said Alshamrani hosted a party before the shooting, where he and others watched videos of mass shootings.
The gunman, who used a Glock 9 mm weapon that had been purchased legally in Florida, had also apparently taken to Twitter before the shooting to criticize US support of Israel and accuse America of being anti-Muslim, another US official said last month….
mortimer says
JIHADISM is a political ideology that claims jihad is the highest deed in Islam and the one that is most rewarded by Allah and most beneficial for Islam, therefore, jihad is the most recommended deed in Islam, even more recommended than Islamic prayer. All actions that help the subjugation of society under discriminatory Sharia law may be called jihad.
Jihad can be performed in four chief ways: 1) jihad of the pen 2) jihad of the tongue 3) jihad of the sword 4) jihad of money.
ISLAMISM a political project to reorder society under discriminatory Sharia law. Islamists aim to reorder government and society in accordance with Islamic law or Sharia.
ISLAMISM is served and promoted by JIHADISM.
A recent study by Thomas Hegghammer of the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment identified five prominent objectives of JIHADISM:
1- Changing the social and political organisation of the state. For example, the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) and the former Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC) fought a decade-long war with Algeria’s security forces with the aim of toppling the government and creating an Islamic state.
2- Establishing sovereignty on a territory perceived as occupied or dominated by non-Muslims. The Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (Soldiers of the Pure) is opposed to Indian control of Kashmir, while the Caucasus Emirate wants an Islamic state throughout the “Muslim lands” in the Russian Federation.
3- Defending the umma from external – non-Muslim – threats. This includes jihadists focused on fighting what they call the “near enemy” (al-adou al-qarib) in confined areas – such as Arabs who travelled to Bosnia and Chechnya to defend local Muslims against non-Muslim armies – and “global jihadists” who target the
“far enemy” (al-adou al-baid), which in most cases is the West – many of whom are affiliated to al-Qaeda.
4- Correcting other Muslims’ moral behaviour. In Indonesia, vigilantes evolved from using sticks and stones to attack people in the name of upholding morality and curbing “deviance” to using guns and bombs.
5- Intimidating and marginalising other Muslim sects. Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (Soldiers of Jhangvi) has for decades carried out violent attacks on Pakistani Shia, who they consider heretics who should be killed. Iraq has also been plagued by sectarian violence.
All Muslims are jihadists ‘of the tongue’ when they deny the motives and methods of jihad in order to deceive the kufaar, so they will remain unprepared for jihad when jihad leaders decide to launch it.
PRCS says
No such thing as jihadism or jihadist ideology.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, “Jihadism” and “Islamism” are not different from Islam.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. Jihadis and Islamists are just Muslims who understand their religion properly and take it seriously.
PRCS says
+1
Not merely take it seriously, but act it out!
Not much authentic condemnation–if any–from ‘the Muslim community’ about that Sri Lankan attack.
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
It’s time for Attorney General William Barr and the US military establishment to invite Robert Spencer back to train their personal on the IDEOLOGIES of ISLAMISM and of JIHADISM.
Without a PERFECT understanding of ISLAMISM and JIHADISM, no US official will be able to identify those DANGEROUS IDEOLOGIES when they are the MOTIVATING IDEATIONS of Muslims ‘visitors’ to the United States.
At present, without the security forces having a PERFECT understanding of those ‘essential’ teachings of Islam, the security forces are IDEOLOGICALLY DISARMED and thus extremely VULNERABLE to Islamist DECEPTIONS.
underbed cat says
Yes. excellent idea. It’s called education about the enemy that is driven by the directions of the Quran taught in all mosques in America, Islam., which exposes islamic jihad and deception of way dawah. There are many 56 ++countries that hold this sharia law from the Quran, they were conqured by terror and deception, funded by an Saudi and Qatar.. and the Ummah.. money provided by selling oil which the left ladies don’t complain only when the United States wants to secure itself do the ladies fume.
gravenimage says
I’d love to see it!
Raja says
Mortimer,
I don’t understand why you are hell bent on the words lslamism and Jihadism. Are you suggesting that only Islamism and Jihadism are undesirables? Is Islam more tolerable?
The evil Left is responsible for ‘singling out Islamism from Islam and you seem to be aligned with that. All the wise of JW including you know that words of Mohamad of the later years supersedes earlier years (of his teachings). And later years’ teachings of Mohd were absolutely barbaric and detrimental to human civilization.
Could you please clarify?
James Lincoln says
YES mortimer !!!
Rayford Brown says
Sun Tsu said to know your enemies and yourself. We refuse to read and admit that what Sharia Law says is what Muslims intend to do. Until we are willing to acknowledge the Sharia Law is the number one enemy of peace in the world we should bring our troops home.
toomanyhobbies says
US training people to kill citizens finally opened their eyes…
Westman says
“Fifteen of the 21 cadets had contact with child pornography and possessed jihadist or anti-American material….”, “Of the 21 cadets, 17 had social media profiles containing jihadi or anti-American content. ”
“..Saudi Arabia provided ‘complete and total support’ to the American investigation of the incident.”
“It was not immediately clear on what grounds the students were being removed from the program…”
It’s not clear that they have embarassed the Saudi leadership, heads will roll, and the US will not be offering sanctuary to Saudi jihadis? Considering the House Of Saud has something close to 50,000 “family” members and being an airman is a military privileged position in the Saudi military; how many of these jihadi-bent men were from the House Of Saud?
Jaydam says
To Westman,… it reminds me of the Gay Saudi Prince who killed his ( butler / lover ) in a Luxury London hotel a few years ago. I recall him getting a pathetically lenient sentence, and was probably deported back to Saudi Arabia. I always wondered what his homophobic family did with him. I can’t imagine them having a party when he was sent back in disgrace.
mortimer says
His gay friends in KSA probably had some great parties after his return.
Jaydam says
There could be a lot of truth in that mortimer.
Its well known that a many Muslim men are closet Gays, and surveys show that the majority of Google searches for Gay Porn come from Muslim countries.
Its ironic how harshly Gay Muslims are punished in many Muslim countries, by the same men who are probably Gay themselves.
gravenimage says
What Muslims *really* hate are consensual same-sex relationships. Pedophilia and homosexual rapes are generally winked at, though. This “butler” was essentially a sex slave.
Raja says
That also reminds me of the convicts of bombers of Pan Am over Lockerbie who were received by Gadafy’s Libya with gun shots or ‘salutes’ on being discharged prematurely from prison sentence due to health reasons and humanitarian grounds. It high time the West learns Islam.
Jaydam says
Its a pity ALL Muslims cannot be removed from the U.S and Europe in an instant.
It would make the world a far safer place. Plus the added bonus of “The Left” losing millions of voters, would keep them out of power, and stop their globalist dream in its tracks.
mortimer says
Most Muslims in the US pose no risk to security and like the freedom. Most want to fit in and a large number are quietly not practicing Islam.
elee says
Every Muslim is a sleeper unto we-know-not-what generation, and we dont know their wakeup signal. Every time theres an incident—-Fort Hood, San Bernardino, Pensacola , whatever, wherever, it always sees to have occurred to the great surprise of all and sundry. If and when we learn to predict which ones are going to pick up a weapon or a vehicle or a kitchen knife, I for one think Jaydam has a good point.
elee says
Should be…..UNTIL we learn to predict. Sorry.
PRCS says
There’s no way to know.
But that should NOT prevent so-called moderates like Qanta Ahmed, Asra Naomani, and others from being asked –publicly–where, anywhere on the planet, Allah’s divine barbarities are morally acceptable to them.
The public needs to know.
MTMLA says
How do you know?
I think they are sleeper cells,or they would leave islam.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Jaydam and elee.
Mortimer, how can you think the US and every other part of Dar-al-Harb would *not* be safer if Muslims had never come here?
And the idea that *most* Muslims in the West have left Islam simply is not borne out. Over half of Muslims in the US say they want to impose brutal Shari’ah law on us. Do these sound like ex-Muslims?
Walter Sieruk says
This new information further proves and exposes Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia has not and will not spare any of its vast oil wealth as to use its financial resources to fund and promote the advancement of Islam by and through the jihad. By this it means both the stealth jihad and even the subtle support violent jihad.
As explained, for example in the book HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD by William Wagner. For on pages 109, 110. The reader is informed that “The Wall Street journal on April 15, 2003 published an article titled ‘In law Seminars, A Saudi Group Spreads Extremism.’ The article began by saying ‘In late February more than 300 young men from across Europe gathered for a weekend seminar on Islamic Law put on by Al-Waqf al-Islaami Foundation.’ The article went on to explain that the most famous graduates from the seminar were half a dozen members of the group of young men from Hamburg, Germany, who plotted the September 11, attacks. The language of the was Dutch, but ‘the message was imported from Saudi Arabia, via Saudi books and lecturers who taught a strict orthodox interpretation of Islam.’ “
Further on the very same page of 110 the information is given that “TIME MAGAZINE , in an article on Saudi Arabia: Inside the Kingdom,’ stated ‘Apart from channeling money to foundations that have assisted terrorist groups, Saudis have for years supported institutions abroad the propagate Wahhabism.’”
In addition to all this, in the book of the title of THE HISTORY OF JIHAD FROM MUHAMMAD TO ISIS, by Robert Spencer on pages 333 through 337.Mr Spencer provides valid information of the subject of “ The Saudi involvement in September 11.”
So with that Islamic regime of Saudi Arabia and its oil money support the different type of the jihad, both stealth and the violent kind, with its Islamic agenda advancement and spread , influence and infiltration of the Western nations ,this kingdom of Saudi Arabia is no friend at all of America or any other country of the West.
MTMLA says
The Saudis have the politicians in their pockets .Prince Bandar is a close friend of the Bushs.Bush lied that islam is a religion of peace and hid the involvement of KSA in the 9/11 attack and attacked Iraq instead for a destraction. He’s a liar, a traitor and a deceiver in my understanding. The politicians who sell out their country are the worst of all. KSA is not an ally of infidels…
Walter Sieruk says
Now there is more proof yet that the Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia is not an innocent nation when it comes to the subject of promoting Islamic terrorism by setting up Muslim brainwashing centers in which impressionable Muslim youth are thoroughly indoctrinated into the ways of Quran based jihad violence with much killing of people who are not Muslim for the advancement of Islam. As the Quran instructs, for example 2:191., 5:33. 9:5,111,112,123 47:4,89.
One scholar, Brigitte Gabriel, who is an from the Middle East had in her book with the title of THEY MUST BE STOPPED informs her readers on page 114. “Saudi Arabia is one of the leading financial contributors to Islamic terrorism worldwide. Part of that contribution is made by funding madrasas throughout the world and the brainwashing of Muslim children with intolerant teaching towards anything non-Muslim.”
Likewise, a former Muslim, Ibn Warraq, in his book which has the title of THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM on page 353 reveals that “Saudi Arabia has spent millions on Islamic propaganda and on building madrassas.”
Further on the subject that there are Muslim mind control and mind programming places where Muslim males are thoroughly indoctrinated into the strong but blind and unquestioning faith in Koran with all non-watered down; hard core Islam with its militant jihad. Those places, “schools,” are called madrasas. In those Islamic mind programming centers young Muslim male are ingrain in the mindset Koranic dogma of the use of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As the Koran instructs. As in, for example, in 2:191. 9:5, 123. 47:4. Many of those who of such center are so much damaged that they are literally dangerous to self and others. As seen many times in jihad suicide, homicide bombing/attacks.
For the Koran instructs in 9:111. “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.” Furthermore, those mind programming places also ingrain the outlandish absurd Koranic doctrine of a sex-filled paradise with many virgins, houris, in it for the Muslim male who dies fighting for the cause of Islam in the jihad. Such a strange doctrine of a houris filled- place in found in the Koran in 44:54. 55:56. 78:31. Moreover, such Islamic mind programming centers are further explained about by the scholar Don Richardson in his book SECRETS OF THE KORAN which on pages 69,70. Informs the reader that “The world needs to be warned. At least forty million Muslim youth in the Muslim worlds’ religious schools, called madrasa, are avidly memorizing the entire Koran … These schools become breeding grounds for potential terrorists. When male students, isolated from family and friends in madrasa, reach puberty and their hormones are active, there are no girls to date. Instead, Muslim clerics easily shift to focusing the male student’s attention on Koranic verse that promises sex in heaven with dark-eyed houris. Students can only fantasize about martyrdom followed by the sexual release Muhammad promised. This is an unspeakably cruel brainwashing technique , and the Koran is its perfect guidebook.”
In short, Saudi Arabia is very guilty of promoting Islamic terrorism
Jim says
“The gunman, who used a Glock 9 mm weapon that had been purchased legally in Florida, had also apparently taken to Twitter before the shooting to criticize US support of Israel and accuse America of being anti-Muslim, another US official said last month….”
That’s bad. When you are the honored guest of a country, you don’t take to Twitter to criticize that country.
When I was in college, I had a friend from Jordan who expressed interest in joining the US military. I asked him if he would fight for the US if we went to war FOR Israel and AGAINST Jordan. He wasn’t sure if he could do that. I told him that he shouldn’t join the US military if he wasn’t fully in. The gunman in this case was not fully in, as evidenced by his criticism of America via Twitter. Once he did that, he should have immediately been sent home.
Raja says
Jim, A Jihadi would not mind praising US and still blow up something and everything possible as they did on Sep 11. Isn’t that called jihad by tongue?
Dr. Bill Warner of Political Islam makes some interesting comments on Islam.
Walter Sieruk says
The Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia in no friend of any Western nation, Saudi Arabia is best defined as a kingdom of Islamic hate
As one Arab scholar who had lived in a Middle Eastern country, for many years revealed “Saudi madrassa notably teach hatred and condemnation of the West and non-Muslims” and “The Saudi Government also provides free textbooks to Islamic schools throughout the world . many of the Saudi- Issued textbook’s contain wording that encourages hatred and intolerance for non-Muslims.” [1]
Saudi Arabia in many ways is no better than Iran.
[1] THEY MUST BE STOPPED by Brigitte Gabriel, page 106
gravenimage says
21 Saudi Muslim military students removed from US training program, 17 had jihadi or anti-American material
…………………
Better late than never.
But yes–these Saudis should have been investigated before entering the US–or, better yet, as citizens of a Jihad state, never granted access here at all.
roberta says
Extreme vetting? Two words that dont mean much of anything when put side by side.
seabird says
Apple is claiming they fully cooperated with AG Barr’s Dec.6 request and provided “many gigabytes” of information to the Justice Dept.
On Jan. 6, Barr requested more information on 2 phones from Apple.
The phones used by the terrorist are a 5s and a 7. There is software from 3rd parties available to “backdoor” these older phones as was done with another terrorist attack in California (Riverside).
Both Trump and Barr are politicizing this incident by trashing Apple (liberals,California) while shamelessly praising SArabia’s “cooperation”.
And why would AG Barr deport these Saudis without first verifying (from their phones) that they weren’t involved in the Florida attack?
And what about the phones of the “about 850”
other Saudis in the country being trained, putting each and every US soldier’s life in jeopardy while depriving them of the right to even carry a weapon for self defense?
Everyone knows there is a certain level of BS in the Trump Administration but when it starts
BS’ing its own constituents in this case about the facts or outright lies about bringing our troops home from “endless wars” (when in fact, the Pentagon states that since May we have sent 14,000 soldiers to the M East plus an additional 3,400), someone needs to call them out on their bs.
And the next time one of these other 850 Saudis being trained murders more American
soldiers, I’m holding the DOD, Justice Dept. and current administration directly responsible for those deaths.
If they’re reading the Koran, they’re reading anti-American literature.
The fact that training foreign troops and kiddie porn are even in the same discussion shows you how low the Govt. has stooped for appeasement of an outright (and deadly) enemy.
Thanks for allowing me to share but I don’t think you really want to hear anymore.
Keys says
Could it be that all the Apple phones are/were unlocked, but the Administration wants its enemies to think that they are not able to do so ?
War is deceit, you know ?
Don’t believe everything “they” say, you know ?
gravenimage says
No one here is defending the vicious Saudis. Why would you think that Anti-Jihadists don’r want to hear anything negative about the Saudis? Really, this makes no sense.
seabird says
It’s not the criticism of the Saudis I was referring to, it’s the criticism of the US Govt policies (and by extension) the reversal of the President’s election promises to hold SArabia accountable I was condemning.
I don’t know of any “liberal” politician who would advocate arming the Sunnis with top-shelf weaponary like this administration or attempt to
“rebrand” the Saudis as a civilized country while it continues to behead and even crucify its miserable people in probably the most repressive country on Earth.
Arming the Saudis is like selling steak knives to the Manson Family to save good
paying American cutlery jobs.
They don’t need anymore training to learn how to kill.
They will never be our friend or ally despite the delusions of our Govt. and its President.
I didn’t vote for Trump to become a greasy, amoral islamophile by default and association.
MTMLA says
I tend to agree. I was disappointed on the selling of arms and planes to SA by the Trump administration.
gravenimage says
Jihad Watch has covered Trump’s dangerous shortcomings on understand Islam before. He is still better than the Democrats, though. Would you prefer Bernie or Warren, or will you just be sitting this one out?
Kirsch says
My aunty over the last three years has had Saudi student pilots staying with her. She loves them and calls them the nicest people she had ever met.
She recently went to stay with one of these students and his family in Riyadh. She says it is the best country she has ever been to and the most wonderful and educated people she has ever met. She wore a colourful hijab whilst travelling there.
I said to her that their Wahabist religion is dangerous and one needs to only look at what happened at the training base in Florida.
It made her very angry , so I changed the subject.
gravenimage says
Oh, my God, Kirsch–this is just madness. I hope your foolish aunt stays safe.