A case study in how “Islamophobia” charges destroy lives. My latest in FrontPage:
The UK’s Mailonline reported Friday that according to a “damning” new report, “sex attacks on young girls by Asian grooming gangs were ignored by police fear of stoking racial tensions, a damning report has ruled.” “Asian” is British media code for “Muslim.”
The Mail added that “a chief inspector from Rotherham was found to have admitted South Yorkshire Police force turned a blind eye to the harrowing cases of abuse…The unnamed senior police officer said: ‘With it being Asians, we can’t afford for this to come out.’” The father of one of the victims recounted: “She’d been missing for weeks and he [the chief inspector] was talking as though she was an adult doing it of her own free will. He said it had been going on for 30 years and that in his day they used to call them ‘P*** shaggers’. I told him she was a child and this was child abuse.”
Indeed it was. But Muslims were a protected class in Britain, and could break laws with impunity, as authorities were too worried about charges of “racism” and “Islamophobia” to go after them.
In just one city, Rotherham, British officials “described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”
Nor did this happen only in Rotherham; all over the country, authorities let Muslim rape gangs run rampant for fear of being charged with “racism” and “Islamophobia” if they did anything about them. That is just what happened to Tommy Robinson when he dared to call attention to these gangs and the Islamic motivation behind their activities.
The Muslim rape gangs went unreported, unprosecuted, and in general unstopped because of far-Left organizations including Hope Not Hate, Faith Matters, and Tell Mama, which waged relentless war against anyone and everyone who spoke out about this issue. They demonized as “Islamophobic,” “hateful” and “bigoted” anyone who said that there were Muslim rape gangs at all, and that they had to be stopped. They led the campaign to ban Pamela Geller and me from entering the country, when one of the events we had discussed going to was a rally against the Muslim rape gangs.
Hope Not Hate has scrubbed the evidence, but it used to be possible to search for “grooming” (as these gangs are usually called “grooming gangs” in the British media) at Hope Not Hate’s site. You would have seen that the vast majority of the articles mentioning this practice were attacking those who were calling attention to it and protesting against it.
The lives of tens of thousands of British girls are ruined today because of fascist “anti-hate” crusaders Nick Lowles and Matthew Collins of Hope Not Hate, Fiyaz Mughal of Faith Matters and Tell Mama, and their friends, supporters, and allies. Yet it is Tommy Robinson who went to prison. If Britain were even close to being a sane society today, Lowles, Mughal, and company, not Tommy Robinson, would have been subjected to scorching criticism, and there would be a thorough public reevaluation of how much the Left’s alliance with Islamic supremacism and smear campaign against foes of jihad terror has harmed the nation and its people.
But Britain is not a sane society today, and these sinister individuals — Lowles, Mughal, and the rest of them — continue to wield their considerable power and influence in British society. If Britain is ever to recover itself and stave off chaos, civil war and Sharia, Lowles, Collins, Mughal and others like them must be decisively repudiated and removed from all positions of influence, and their organizations exposed for what they are.
Now there is publicity about this, but how has the situation changed? Britain needs a massive transformation of its political culture, but that is prevented by the same fears that led to this wholesale destruction of young girls’ lives.
Britain has become a shabby little police state in which it is illegal to criticize Islam and mass Muslim migration. Its death as a free society is by its own hand.
gravenimage says
Britain Commits Suicide to Avoid Being Called Racist
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Worse, they are willing to sacrifice their children to avoid being called racist. *Sickening*.
Frank Anderson says
There was some “commentary” in the Old Testament about those who sacrifice children. Not exactly a “favored” practice of the God shared by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jesus. This is what happens, in my opinion, when children cease to be seen as blessings to the whole community and become disposable burdens.
Captain says
Shame, shame, shame on the Brits for allowing themselves to be duped and used and their children, boys and girls, to be used as sex slaves by “Asians.”. Who are the bloody bastards here? In my mind not only the “Asians” but every Brit who like “tell mama” or other make believe field good operation and those who listen to such rot and sits on his or her ass like a twit. We are all guilty if we do not demand a cleansing of our political leaders and justice under the “common law” from the rapists and the abettors who hide the crimes committing their moral sins and legal behind the false doctrine called Islamophobia.
God’s law and UK law commands we adults protect those least able to protect themselves meaning the children and the aged. It also demands accountability by the responsible parties regardless of rank or privilege. This challenge will define the UK future. The world is watching more importantly God is watching either the Peoples of the UK act as freemen and woman and confront the evil within or their punishment will be they and their children will live under Sharia Law in this world and God’s Judgment in the next. Well that is how is see it.
Frank Anderson says
Captain, with the exception of one word, I support and agree with everything you have written.
A bastard is a child born out of wedlock. Because of the many ways muslims are conceived, the whole idea of being a bastard has no application. NO muslim would see being called a bastard by a “low-life, infidel, kafir scum” like us as an insult. At least 25 percent of the non-muslims reading here got here “without the benefit of clergy”. Linking me, a real live bastard, to muslim scum is unfair. Please find an insult if one is needed that hits the target without collateral damage to people who would cheerfully agree with you.
If I had to name ONE thing I learned in 12 years of military school (over 50 years ago), that I would not have learned elsewhere, it is the benefit of respect and the harm of disrespect. I understand especially in US Marine boot camp the first weeks are spent giving new recruits absolute Hell to teach the need for respect. Once that is done, the insults are no longer beneficial, but become absolutely devastating to the much needed unit loyalty and mutual respect that is required to survive in combat. WE are now in combat for our lives and liberty. I ask that we concentrate on the enemy and do not incidentally target people who would join us as friends.
gravenimage says
Frank, using the term “bastard” as a derogatory term to indicate someone born out of wedlock is considered archaic usage by the Oxford English Dictionary:
https://www.lexico.com/definition/bastard
The first definitions–as used by Captain–is the norm.
And I very much agree with you on the sacrifice of children. Just appalling. That so many of these victims have been “at risk” kids who have little protection from parents or guardians makes this all the worse.
Frank Anderson says
Some of the most heart-crushing cases I have ever handled before I retired involved “at risk” children. WE NEED to respect each other in order to focus on the real enemy to all of us.
Can you imagine the abuse I suffered in the early years of military school before I became big and mean enough to fight back? At the same time, can you imagine how much I appreciated others who showed simple respect as they did their parts in the training and teaching process?
Nothing good is achieved in an audience of mature adults by insulting a substantial portion of them with insults that are totally meaningless to the “actual” targets. Why do you think military trainers prefer strongly having young, inexperienced recruits instead of those who understand what is being done?
Kathryn says
Medieval savages
gravenimage says
Frank, I don’t believe that it was the intent of Captain here–or of elee on that other thread some weeks ago–to insult people here in speaking out against Jihad.
On other matters, glad to hear you took cases involving “at risk” children. If anyone needs an advocate, it is them.
Heddew says
We Brits did not give out children up to these paedophiles…the Government under Gordon brown told the police not to stop our children being rape..tortured..drugged and murdered because these children had made their vocation in life as prostitutes ….the SS knew our children were being raped with up to 50 men a day per child…nothing was done….people took their children to the police stations and the child was told they were lying and they were arrest for prostitution …police would go to peoples houses that dared to put up on Facebook and was told they did not like their line of thought….and one muslim women in parliament said our children needed to keep their mouths shut for the good of diversity….regardless of what we tried to do we came up against a brick wall…if own government…police and the ss and judges and newspapers ban from printing about it..there was no one who would help these parent…even children’s homes were not safe from these men…the were allowed to get to the girls there… and there was no authorities that would help these parents or children they were failed by their own country…but before you condem us Brits know the TRUE FACTS FIRST please
gravenimage says
I take your point, Heddew. But it is incumbent on patriotic Britons to speak out–if enough do so, British authorities will finally be unable to quash everyone.
RegT says
Heddew, if there were men worthy of the name in Britain, these muslims would have been dealt with, one by one if necessary, and if not killed outright, would have been maimed badly enough to get the message across to the rest of the muslim scum who made life a living hell for those many thousands of young girls, many of them pre-teens and children. The “child protection services” which did not report the kidnapping, gang-raping, and prostitution of these girls should have received similar attention as well.
Are their no retired SAS in Britain skilled enough to deal with these scum, or are they simply ball-less in the face of the attention they might have gotten from the police? The SAS were tough fighters against the muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq – they couldn’t deal with gangs of scum in their own country to save their own little girls? Yes, I understand most of your men are sheep, bred that way by years of socialist government since the passing of Winston Churchill, but the trained men of the SAS and other military forces should be out on the streets – at night or whenever necessary – to deal with this scourge. I can’t think of a possible excuse for it continuing for as many years as it has.
Huh!?! says
There is no excuse, no reason for this. This is the children and making the label of “Asian” in an attempt to avoid facing up to islam. I pray, I pray that this new guy elected in Britain will begin to erode this like so much acid on metal. Britain has to grow a pair.
pragmatist says
Don’t hold your breath – nothing gives me any hope that there will be any change.
Wellington says
Sickening indeed, gravenimage. Would be deuce difficult to find something more sickening.
Idiotic political correctness and moronic multiculturalism (N.B., neither of which exists outside of the West and this is, in and of itself, quite telling) is slowing killing the West.
Meanwhile, many young females in a Western nation like the UK are being raped by believers in the one religion, Islam, which unambiguously sanctions rape (e.g., Suras 4, 23, 33 and 70 in the effing Koran itself—“captives of the right hand” or some such rot). Actually, Islam in this regard is even worse than other monumental errors like Nazism and Marxism because even these two decrepit, horrible belief systems “at least” never sanctioned rape.
But Islam does.
Wellington says
“…slowly…” and not “slowing….”
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Wellington.
One small point, though–while it was never an official part of either Fascist or Communist doctrine, both the Nazis and Soviets commonly engaged in rape during WWII. It was just the civilized Allies that did not, and who prosecuted cases of rape.
Wellington says
Understood and agreed with, gravenimge, but what we had with Nazis and Communists is de facto rape while with Islam we have both de facto and de jure rape.
A “double whammy” of iniquity if ever there were one, compliments of Islam.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington.
mortimer says
Agree with GI and FA re ‘sacrificing their children’ on the altar of political correctness. But there is more than that. This is British class snobbery. The snobs at the top of the police sacrificed working-class girls. Despicable.
mortimer says
Important, high-ranking Muslims from overseas possibly politicians or members of a foreign diplomatic community may also have been involved as well. That’s why they covered this up. They are imho protecting VIPs from being exposed.
mortimer says
Reply to FA on ‘respect’: this is much-needed sermon. I apply that to myself and I will continue to observe that the counterjihad is about UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHTS and CIVIL LIBERTIES … what we give to our enemies while demanding the same for ourselves. Those in the counterjihad should be mutually respectful while upholding those core principles we are fighting for and refusing to endorse the ARBITRARY measures that our enemies use.
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, Thank you.
gravenimage says
Good posts, Mortimer. And I think you are right about the class element. Most of these victims have been working class girls.
David says
This is the fault of successive British governments. Will Boris Johnson be brave and ‘bite the bullet’ ?(Unfortunate expression)
What we need is an open public inquiry in the threat of Islam.
gravenimage says
It looks like he will, David:
“Boris Johnson to address the nation, concerning Grooming Gangs”
https://www.change.org/p/boris-johnson-boris-johnson-to-address-the-nation-concerning-grooming-gangs
I hope he then follows up–but just his speaking out is better than any former PMs have done.
Christopher Fresque says
What jurisdiction do they claim this law is under? If it’s anything to do with UN or secondary court systems within the country I would bet its not even legitimate. They are running entire organizations here in Canada under the guise of human rights, but, its anything but human rights. They enforce social justice. I can prove the UN and these orgs are violating the “end to colonization declaration” as well as the actual “Human Rights Declaration”.
Christopher Fresque says
What jurisdiction do they claim this law is under? If it’s anything to do with UN or secondary court systems within the country I would bet its not even legitimate. They are running entire organizations here in Canada under the guise of human rights, but, its anything but human rights. They enforce social justice. I can prove the UN and these orgs are violating the end to colonization declaration as well as the actual Human Rights Declaration.
tim gallagher says
Like the other people here at Jihad Watch, I find this whole situation that has occurred in the UK sickening. I hope that one day the police and others involved in this disgusting cover-up are charged and end up doing time in prison. Something that I wonder about is, what is the level of outrage amongst the average citizens of the UK in relation to this appalling cover-up? Would it be , say, 80% plus who are outraged, or are people busy or apathetic and not taking all that much notice in the general population. This should surely be a massive scandal and large numbers of people should be demanding that the cover-up merchants be brought to justice for their truly gutless behaviour. Letting these Muslim scum of the earth gangs be some kind of protected species is sickening.
Frank Anderson says
T.G., consider going back to the end of WWII to see what level of outrage was expressed against collaborators in a number of countries now members of the EU.
Michael Copeland says
Quite a number of people probably have felt outrage but, as the authorities have failed and failed, that outrage has turned to helplessness and resignation.
gravenimage says
We all have to guard against becoming resigned to these horrors ourselves.
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comments, Frank, Michael and gravenimage. Frank, from what I have read about the end of WWII and seen in movies, and also a photo I vaguely remember seeing of a collaborator being manhandled by an angry mob, (I think in France) my impression is that there was ferocious outrage against collaborators, who, I think, often were executed very quickly. Your comment is informative, Michael, as that is what I was wondering about. I get how, over time and with government stonewalling and refusing to face up to the appalling behaviour, most people are bound to give up, remain annoyed, but move on to some other issue. As you say, gravenimage, we do have to guard against giving up on some issues, although it is probably inevitable. We move on to other issues that arise. It would be a terrible thing if the police and others who let these rape gangs operate don’t face punishment. I imagine a lot of the cover-up merchants would at least be worried and suffering plenty of anxiety (as they should), but would be very busy trying to avoid justice.
Frank Anderson says
T.G. there is a series of about 13 episodes that ran on the Military Channel about Hitler’s Conspirators (Collaborators). Subjects ranged from Ireland, to France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Finland, Yugoslavia, Baltic countries, Ukraine and Jewish. Yes, Jewish, both in running ghettos feeding the death camps and serving at the highest levels of German military. France, Norway and Holland were particularly “direct” in dealing with their traitors.
gravenimage says
Tim, I also worry that this is still going on. We keep learning about new cases.
E T says
YES, GI, as Shari’ah creeps in, we must stand up to the evil horse pucky. We MUST never accept child abuse in any form as normal. GRRRRR
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the information about the WWII collaborators, Frank. I will check those programs out if the opportunity arises. The photo that I saw years ago of a woman collaborator being led away with a mob around her must have made quite an impression on me, because I’m pretty sure it was in a book which was a collection of photos that were from that old magazine “Life” and I wouldn’t have looked at that book for 30 years or so. Some photos get burned into your mind.
Fahrenheit211 says
There is indeed a great deal of outrage about what has been allowed to happen with regards the Islamic Rape Gangs. Unfortunately Britain is, unlike the USA, not really a free country anymore and people are on the whole fearful of giving voice to their outrage because we in Britain know that to criticise or mock Islam or draw attention to the Islamic Rape and Terror problems, or even to express disgust at Islam invites trouble from the State.
It can invite left wing groups, some funded by the State, to lobby your employer to dismiss you, the police to arrest you and Children’s Services (CPS in the USA) to treat you as a ‘terrorist’ or an ‘extremist’. Also, a person convicted or suspected of being ‘anti Islam’ would of course not expect help from the police if they are threatened or harmed by Muslim thugs, as is the case with the British Citizen Journalist, Jonaya English. People increasingly live in fear of the State and what it can do to them just for voicing negative views about an ideology that gives us a lot of reasons to dislike it. I pray that I live to see the day when this is no longer the case and that no longer will Britons fear the censors and gaols s of the State but will be able to speak freely not just about Islam but about anything and everything.
To my American friends. Hang on tight, as tight as you can to your First Amendment, because without it you could be just like Britons, always looking over the shoulder when expressing a ‘non approved’ opinion.
David says
Tim, for some reason, the subject seems to be rather low down in public interest, despite the efforts of Tommy Robinson, who was sent to prison on spurious charges.
We need a new word: Islamophobia-phobia. That is fear of being Islamophobic.
Two of the main forms of jobs taken by Muslims: kebab shops, and taxi driving. Two of the main places frequented by young girls: kebab shops and taxis. Rather like paedophiles being drawn to teaching and Care Homes.
tim gallagher says
Thanks for that information, David. I was curious about whether these rape gangs and the cover-ups were a major issue in the UK or not, because, living in Australia, I had no idea what most people in the UK felt about the issue, which I only know about from Jihad Watch. It seems that it isn’t a very big issue. As I said before, I do hope that, somehow, one day the cover-up merchants will face justice. I agree with what you say about Islamophobia. Islam is evil and barbaric, so I believe disliking Islam intently ( the dreaded Islamophobia) is the right and moral attitude to hold towards Islam’s barbarism.
mortimer says
Bravo again to Robert Spencer: ““Islamophobia” charges destroy lives”. Indeed they do. This slander stops people from drawing the right conclusions about jihad-terrorism and makes everyone more vulnerable, including Muslims caught in the crossfire.
The purpose of the ‘Islamophobia’ slander is to KEEP Western intelligence services, Western politicians and the Western media INEFFECTUAL against the deadly and very real JIHAD AGENDA of Muslim terrorists and Muslims in general.
‘Islamophobia’ is similar to ‘DISTRACTION’ used in sleight-of-hand magic performances. The purpose is to take attention off what the magician is doing to conceal a formerly visible object.
Muslims play now-you-see-it-now-you-don’t with jihad. They stand back while the jihadists do their work and then assure the kafirs that they have nothing to do with the terrorism that they preach from the Koran, hadiths and Sira.
We must redouble our efforts to inform Western people about the true, Koranic MEANING, the ‘essential’ MOTIVE and the deadly METHODS of jihadic terrorism … normative Islam, rather than aberrations.
mortimer says
I have a different theory. Members of the police were involved in the rape gangs and so they covered it up to protect police … perhaps high-rankers.
gravenimage says
With all respect, Mortimer, I doubt it–British police are not taught to use girls as sex slaves–Muslims are.
Stories like this that expose what was going on with the police and other authorities exposed sickening “political correctness”–a fear of appearing “racist” or “Islamophobic”–not that they themselves were running the rape gangs.
somehistory says
This whole thing is utterly demonic. The raping gangs, the refusal to label them as to what they really are…moslim scum…and instead using a word that actually means something totally different…”Asian”…which could mean a very nice Japanese man who loves and respects his family and community…to the police covering up the facts, along with the politicians who demanded this cover-up, and the allowing of so many moslim scum to dictate what would be said and that nothing be done to stop this active raping of the nation’s children.
Just as the ancient pagans sacrificed their children to molech and were called out by our Creator and made to suffer punishment by Him, those today who are sacrificing children…by murdering them, allowing others to rape and murder them, or in some other way, giving their children over to the modern molech…will be made to pay for what they are doing or are allowing to be done. And it won’t matter one little bit the “reasons” they give for having done nothing to stop the rapes and emotional slaughter, and out-right killing of the children.
These scum…moslim and those who support the coverups,..will meet Justice face to face.
FYI says
I’m sure you have seen pictures of that hideous statue of moloch currently in Rome at the entrance of the colosseum:a hideous looking monstrosity{and hardly of any artistic merit!}
It was approved by the Vatican..but then so were the pachamma idols.
I mean the evil ones don’t even bother to hide who they represent,they do it in plain site.
somehistory says
Yes, I have seen it and it is hideous. Probably a stronger word somewhere to describe its demonic appearance.
And, no, they don’t try to hide their evil because they don’t fear punishment. But, it’s coming upon them, and soon.
tgusa says
So, the British police believe that muslims need to be allowed to rape young British girls in order to avoid racial tensions. This is beyond reprehensible. It is also an admission by the British police as to exactly what the people can expect from muslims. I’m sure it was inadvertent but, nice job of mistakenly informing the people, British police.
Do the British police have any idea that they are creating tension in another community by doing what they have done? Muslims have no respect for the British police and now the British police are busy creating a whole new group that will have no respect for them. At some point it is going to be pretty lonely out there for the British police. I guess using their heads is not part of their sop.
E T says
Islamic scholar Sayyid Qutb said: “If a society is based on “human values” and “human morals” and these remain dominant in it, then that society will be civilized “.
“There is only one law which ought to be followed, and that is the Shari’ah from God; anything else is mere emotionalism and impulsiveness.”
Shari’ah law: Women captives of jihad may be forced to have sex with their captors ( now owners)
Male owners may have sex with his slave women, even prepubescent girls.
Well now, here, there seems to be a bit of fancy dancing going on in the disgraceful, Religion of Piece, ooops Pease.
Jenny says
Fear of being accused of racism is far too simple. Behind it all is the fear of reprisal and greed for hushmoney from muslims. These demons operate like the mafia such as..do what we say or else we will hunt down your family and deal with them as well as you… but if you do keep your mouth shut we won’t hurt your family AND we’ll give you a generous reward.
For sure, the top brass are the ones that society needs to focus on the most. All the resources of time and money need to be focused on bringing those cowards into the public eye.
tgusa says
Yes Jenny, fear or mental terror as opposed to physical terror is far worse. Physical terror, bombings and such, a person is forced deal with as it occurs. Mental terror, the fear of bombings and such, carries on and on, day after day, night after night in a persons mind without actually occurring. Those in power have convinced the masses to focus on physical terror as the thing that must be confronted while ignoring the much greater threat of mental terror.
Physical terror is generally carried out on the random public. The more a person is known, in positions of authority/notoriety and the like, the more mental terror comes in to play. Unfortunately, the random public, the masses, get the double whammy of being subjected to physical terror while also having to live with the bad but life preserving (self preservation) decisions of the primary targets of mental terror. Over the last 1400 years muslims have become experts in the art of terror.
gravenimage says
Most people in the West hate the idea of being considered racist, because racism really is ugly and irrational.
But of course Islam is not a race, nor is mass rape. But conflating these keeps most people quiet.
tgusa says
I agree. However, if there is any racism going on here it is being directed at young British girls by the perps and now the police.
“The unnamed senior police officer said: ‘With it being Asians, we can’t afford for this to come out.’”
It cant get any more racist than that.
gravenimage says
Absolutely agree, tgusa. But racism against white people is always discounted.
tgusa says
Yes, lately, but white people are beginning to notice, hence the outrage from the usual suspects. We are slow to anger but once we get going, well, you know. Sadly, we will eventually have to confront the biggest offenders among us, other white people. What will the usual suspects say then, will they call us racist? We prefer to hope for the best out of all people but that is not always the case even among our own
Thomas Richard says
These senior police officials that signed off on this must be exposed, investigated and where warranted arrested for breach of trust, obstructing justice and aiding and abetting criminal behaviour! An example must be made of them with long prison terms without parole………On conviction, their photos must appear in every British newspaper!
Jenny says
I agree Thomas. Unfortunately the rot goes right to the top so who would charge them who would convict them and what media would publish their photos? That’s the problem. The only people who are Actually doing anything are the likes of Tommy Robinson and Britain First and the media won’t stop demonizing them. One day, the Brits will rebel but how many innocent lives will have been destroyed and how effective will the backlash be against these demons anyway? How many muslim women do you ever see who is NOT pushing a baby stroller?
Richard Wright says
It is quite right to criticise the way the government, police and press, on the whole, responded to the grooming gangs. There was undoubtedly a reluctance to acknowledge the religious make-up of the majority of the perpetrators, and a total failure of the police (with some notable exceptions) and social services to protect these girls. It was a disgraceful and calamitous failure. However the Britain that Robert Spencer describes is not the one I live in. It is not, in any sense, illegal to criticise Islam, People do it all the time in televised debates, in newspapers, in journals and in everyday discourse on facebook or other social media for example without any legal repercussions. I would say also that every muslim I have spoken with about this issue, and I live in a part of Manchester where white people are the minority, have expressed nothing but disgust about the behaviour of their fellow muslims in the grooming gangs, not dissimilar to the disgust expressed by my fellow Catholics when sections of the church were protecting pedophile priests.
Terry Gain says
Richard Wright
Robert Spencer is banned from Britain. I would have some confidence that “your Britain” exists once this disgraceful ban is lifted.
In Canada, it is not yet illegal to criticize Islam, but the media censors criticism of Islam. I regularly post at National Post’s ironically named Full Comment and my erudite comments regarding Islam (and the corruption of Joe Biden) are usually blocked.
gravenimage says
Richard Wright wrote:
…the Britain that Robert Spencer describes is not the one I live in. It is not, in any sense, illegal to criticise Islam, People do it all the time…
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Richard–with all respect–have you missed Tommy Robinson being imprisoned for daring to speak out against what is happening to these girls? What about Jayda Fransen? Then, as Terry Gain notes, there is the banning of Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, merely for speaking out against Jihad. Then there are more and more stories like this one:
“Video: UK police arrest counterjihad blogger Fahrenheit211 on ‘hate speech’ charges”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/11/video-uk-police-arrest-counterjihad-blogger-fahrenheit211-on-hate-speech-charges
Your idea that no one in Britain faces legal repercussions for speaking out against the horrors of Islam is mistaken.
More:
I would say also that every muslim I have spoken with about this issue, and I live in a part of Manchester where white people are the minority, have expressed nothing but disgust about the behaviour of their fellow muslims in the grooming gangs, not dissimilar to the disgust expressed by my fellow Catholics when sections of the church were protecting pedophile priests.
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Catholicism does not teach rape and child molestation–would that we could say the same about Islam. Would any of the Muslims you have spoken with condemn Muhammed for raping Infidel victims, and for raping a nine-year-old child? I very much doubt it.
Terry Gain says
I would like to offer an alternative explanation for the insane and cowardly turning of a blind eye to the rapes of English working class school girls by Muslims. I would suggest that the following are the real reasons.
1. Dealing with these rapes would have caused them to be publicized and would have created animosity and perhaps even violence against Muslims.
2. Any violence against Muslim would have likely been responded to with terrorist attacks.
3. The British Establishment is, with good reason, scared to death of Muslims. This is why Robert Spencer is banned.
4. The British Establishment has no regard for the British working class.
5. Acknowledging the problem would be an acknowledgement that Muslim immigration was a mistake. This would lead to agitation for restricting further Muslim immigration, which would in turn lead to further Muslim violence.
So, IMHO, this deplorable and unconscionable decision to ignore these crimes was not motivated by anything as insubstantial as a fear of being called racist. I think the British Establishment believes that sacrificing working class girls was for justified for The greater good.
FYI says
Thank you,that is a superb analysis and I fully agree with everything you said.
Banning Mr Spencer indicates that the political establishment of the UK do not want the people to know that it is they,the political elites ,who CREATED this problem in the first place by failing to control mass islamic immigration,even allowing it to increase.
Both Tony Blair[Labor} and David Cameron{Tory},both P.Ms of the UK,were happy to allow their country to become what it now is,Teresa May continuing on in denial{Teresa May was the one I believe who had banned Mr Spencer}
Many of my relatives in the UK have left the UK,one telling me it is no longer a safe place to live:the problem is, that when they move to NZ/Australia/Canada the same insane mass islamic immigration policies exist there,the same no-go muslim zones.We know WHY that is:muslims don’t mix.They are “the best community raised up for mankind” koran 3:111,their islamic apartheid system classifying us non -muslims as “the worst of created beings”{koran 98:6}
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends fo they are friends to one another.He among you who takes them for friends is one of THEM{an infidel}”
koran 5:51
So they won’t be part of your society.
And it isn’t easy for White Working class Britons to leave:not everyone is fortunate enough,or has the financial resources to be able to do that.
Treasonous{usually Lefty}morally bankrupt Quisling politicians,the same RED-GREEN Axis mentality…with contempt for their own people…
Wellington says
Many sound reasons, Terry. My compliments.
James Lincoln says
Excellent list, Terry Gain.
The British establishment has created a monster of a mess…
gravenimage says
Overall good analysis, Terry.
I agree with thebigW, though–the idea that a central problem is Infidels attacking random Muslims simply is not the case. Were this so, it would already be happening.
I also agree with him that fear of being considered racist is not incompatible with any of the other points you bring up.
AntiIslamicman says
The U.K. destroys itself because it’s too afraid to face the truth about a fascist ideology called Islam. Pakistani muslim men are raping white girls all over the U.K.
Owen Morgan says
“Its death as a free society is by its own hand.”
No, it isn’t. We British have been fighting against this for years and we still have to fight. More than three and a half years after voting for our independence, we are still not free. Authoritarian, cowardly ministers have excluded Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and Lauren Southern, while admitting the most appalling jihadists.
I have only one vote in these matters. The fact that I can’t stop the encroachment of islamism doesn’t mean that I endorse it. Please, do not assume that I do.
Terry Gain says
Good for you Owen. Are you able to speak out against the evil conquest ideology over there?
Wellington says
I just assume, Owen, that there are millions of Brits like you who are appalled at the invasion of their country by Muslims who have no regard for your culture, traditions and values and have no intention of assimilating. That this invasion, and that’s what it effectively is, has been facilitated by the British elites who remain in denial to this day about the true nature of Islam makes it all the more galling I’m sure to people like you.
Across the pond here in America we are faced with the same arrogance by the American Establishment which effectively considers us common folk as too uninformed, even too stupid, to grasp how enlightened they (the Establishment) are. Thankfully, here in America we have independent talk radio, Fox News (far from perfect but still way ahead of the MSM), and the First Amendment, which amendment respecting freedom of speech the Left would love to gut of all meaning by way of the Orwellian distinction between free speech and hate speech, something that has already occurred where the Left is most in control, i.e., the vast majority of colleges and universities here in the USA.
Troubled times indeed—in Britain, America, and in the West in general. You are not alone.
Frank Anderson says
Wellington, I with respect to you disagree that the “elites” are in denial. I suggest they know full well the implications and consequences of their active collaboration with the destruction of civilized society. Look at a few news clips of Charles visiting and partying Saudi Arabia in full Arab garb. The “elites” see themselves as those who will continue in their privileged and exalted roles while the people they used to “represent” are enslaved and murdered.
The “elites” KNOW and INTEND what they are doing. Do not give them cover with delusions of reprieve. (Ex. Henrietta von Shirach,, related to Baldour, gave an interview in which she thought “Hitler did not know of the brutality of the Holocaust.”, leading to his explosion and prohibiting her from ever coming into his presence in the future.) Just as Hitler knew and intended the evil of the Holocaust, the present “elites” know and intend what is happening NOW.
Wellington says
With respect, Frank, I don’t believe these silly Western elites know what the eff they are doing. I suggest you are giving them too much credit. They’re foolish, ignorant, arrogant and selfish but I don’t think they deliberately want the destruction of Western Civilization. They’re so stupid (and the worst kind of stupid, i.e., well-educated, rich, powerful and influential “stupid”) that they really do believe (hope?) that Islam is just another religion hijacked temporarily by a few radical extremists, blah, blah, blah.
As for Hitler, yeah, I agree, he knew exactly what he was doing but as bad as the Western elites are, I still don’t put them in the same category with Hitler. Actually, Hitler was far more talented in sundry ways than the doofuses now running Western societies but he used his talents for heinous purposes. So, on a pure “talent level,” Hitler eclipses the mediocrities who are the present Western elites.
Your turn, my friend.
Frank Anderson says
Wellington, greetings and sincere respect. I have spent almost 70 years of life and 40 years of being a licensed attorney dealing with denials, my own and others. I could not believe that my boss who made it possible for me to go to law school and then forced my hiring afterward would throw me to the corrupt wolves who were stealing hundreds of millions of dollars. But he did. I could not believe that federal agents who were charged with oversight of the company would join in the theft. But they did. I could not believe family members would drop me like a lit hand grenade when things really went sour. But they did.
An easily available illustration of delusion appears in many story lines of Dark Shadows, available on Tubi. Time and again, people refuse to consider the obvious because “it just can’t be”.
The man at the center of stealing over 200 million dollars in present value was the President of his Baptist Church, State Boy Scouts, State Chamber of Commerce, National Managers’ Association and on and on. He could not possibly be leading and participating in a scheme to steal millions from the member/owner/customers he was duty bound to serve. BUT HE WAS.
There may be times and places where Pollyana is an appropriate approach. But when the life and liberty of an entire civilization is at stake, THIS is not one of them. The powerful quote, “There are none so blind as those who refuse to see” is true and applicable. Making excuses and turning a blind eye and deaf ear to the treachery and treason in progress delays response and improves evil’s chances of success at destroying what we value. Frank
gravenimage says
Frank, I know lots of ordinary people as well as some minor elected officials and denial of the threat of Islam is rife. I don’t think that people reach some level of the elites and are clued in by some secret cabal. It seems that most just continue the same willful ignorance and denial that many people exhibit.
Of course, with those in high positions there is even less excuse.
Frank Anderson says
GI, just as those with financial responsibility for a business enterprise have a FIDUCIARY responsibility to KNOW the details of their charge, so also do those with a FIDUCIARY responsibility of national leadership of their country’s affairs. It is not enough to mutter, “They don’t know” when we should be yelling, “FIND OUT!”. Starting with GWB and his never corrected “religion of peace” lie, how many have spread that lie and never made any excuse of correction? NONE.
gravenimage says
Frank I definitely agree that Western leaders *should* find out, and in fact have a responsibility to do so.
This is very different from assuming that Western leaders know all about Islam and are actually acting out of evil intent, though–which is, I believe, *much* rarer.
Frank Anderson says
GI, PLEASE contemplate/meditate/think about my frequently quoted 9th Circuit opinion “DELIBERATE IGNORANCE CONSTITUTES KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.” Wyle v. R.J. Reynolds, available online. There is no excuse after soon to be 19 years since the “religion of peace” lie that anyone should avoid knowing. “Hitler did not know. . . .”; but he did know!. There is no reason to make excuses and look the other way for people who are selling out civilization for evil and barbarity.
gravenimage says
Frank, deliberate ignorance may involve *suspicion* of the truth, but rarely a full understanding of it.
And no–I don’t consider people in denial over the threat of Islam to be “Hitler”, who obviously engineered the Holocaust himself–I think they are in fact more like those who were in denial over the threat of Fascism before WWII.
Those like Churchill kept speaking out despite being dismissed and sneered at. Most of them *did* eventually come around, or else we would not have been able to defeat the Nazis as we eventually did.
I think we have to keep on educating people now. With all respect, I don’t think assuming that everyone still in denial about Islam is like Hitler is either accurate or helpful.
We see Anti-Jihadists here at Jihad Watch all the time who did not wake up to the threat of Islam until 9/11, or the London Tube Bombings, or the Boston Marathon Bombing, or Manchester, or some other Jihad terror attack. People are *still* waking up.
Before 9/11 I had been increasingly concerned about such matters as terror attacks on Israel and about plane hijackings–but until 9/11 I was still largely ignorant of the threat of Islam itself.
I assure you I was *not* like Hitler–it is just that, like so many people, Islam had been largely off my radar–and even when I did know about Jihad terror, I thought it was “extremists” or odd non-mainstream Islamic groups like the Mullahs in Iran. It was only after 9/11 that I read the Qur’an and began educating myself on what Islam itself taught.
In no was was I *ever* enabling terrorism, nor winking at it. Yes, there is less excuse today, over 18 years after 9/11–but it is still very common. I still have many loved ones and friends–morally decent and in many cases otherwise intelligent people–who are still in denial as well.
I am not going to give up on them, nor assume they are like Hitler–because I know they are not. There are millions of such people still in the West.
Frank Anderson says
GI, Hitler accomplished absolutely nothing by himself. When looking at the film of his crowds, notice their faces. Participation was both active and passive, but it was never accidental. The same is true now.
gravenimage says
I think we’ll have to leave our disagreement here, Frank. I will continue to try to wake people up to the threat of Islam, as much as I am able. I know you are right that some already know and heartily approve, but with all respect I still think this is a minority in the West.
James Lincoln says
Wellington says,
“Thankfully, here in America we have independent talk radio, Fox News (far from perfect but still way ahead of the MSM), and the First Amendment, which amendment respecting freedom of speech the Left would love to gut…”
So true.
If the mainstream media did due diligence / and were fair and balanced in reporting the news / conducting interviews, there would be no need for independent talk radio / Fox News.
gravenimage says
Owen, I hope you speak out as well as vote.
Geof Barrington says
We should all start saying “racist and proud of it ” . Then we could be labelled Deplorables
gravenimage says
Actual racism is genuinely ugly and irrational. We don’t have to accept calumny and slander from others, Geof.
E T says
Well class let’s start in this election year addressing the politicians who sent CAIR salutations letters:
Tammy Baldwin D. WI
Michael F Bennet. D Co
Richard Blumenthal. D. CT
Corey Booker D. NJ
Ben Cardin. D MD
Tammy Duckworth D. IL
Kampala Harris. D. CA
Chris Van Hollen. D. MD
Doug Jones. D. AL
TIM KAINE. D. VA. LOL LOL
Amy Klobuchar. D. MN
Robert Menendez. D. NJ
Christopher Murphy D. CT
Patty Murray. D. WA
Bill Nelson D FL
Tina Smith D. MN
Thomas Tillis R. NC
Mark Warner. D Va
Pete Aguilar. D. CA
Nanette Battagan. D. CA
Karen Bass D CA
Donald S Bera. D. CA
Susan Brooks. D IN
Anthony Brown. D. MD
Michael Capiano. D. Ma
Salud Garbajal D. CA
Tony Gardens. D CA
Andre Carson. D IN
Judy Chu. D CA
Katherine Clark. D. MA
Yvette Clarke. D. NY
Lacy Clay. D. MO
Bonnie Watson Coleman. D. NJ
Gerald Connolly. D. CT
Luis Correa. D. CA
Jim Costa. D. CA
Joe Courtney. D. CT
Rodney Davis R. IL
Susan Delbene D. WA
Mark DeSaulnier. D. CA
Debbie Dingell D. MI
Mike Doyle. D. PA
KEITH ELLISON D. MN. Really big joke
Anna F Eshoo. D. CA
Elizabeth Esty D. CT
Dwight Evans. D. PA
Marcia L Fudge. D. OH
John Garamendi. D. AZ
Gene Green D. TX
Raul M Grijalva D AZ
Alcee Hastings. D. FL
Jared Huffman. D. CA
Eddie Bernice Johnson D TX
Marcy Kaptur. D. OH
Joseph P Kennedy. D. MA
Ro Khanna. D. CA
Raga Krishnamoorthi. D. IL
Al Lawson. D. FL
Sheila Jackson Lee. D. TX
Barbara Lee. D. CA
John Lewis. D. CA
Dave Loebsack. D VA
Zoe Lofgren D. CA
Alan S Lowenthal. D. CA
Doris O Matsui. D. CA
Betty.McCollum D. MN
Jerry McNerney. D. CA
Grace Meng. D. NY
Seth Moulten. D. MA
Stephanie Murphy. D. FL
Donald Norcross. D. NJ
Eleanor Holmes Norton. D DC
Frank Pallone. D. NJ
Bill Pascrell Jr. D NJ
Donald M Payne Jr. D. NJ
Mark Pocan. D. WI
David Price. D. NC
Mike Quigley. D. IL
Jamie Raskin. D. MO
Raul Ruiz. D. CA
Dutch Ruppersberger. D. MD
Tim Ryan D Oh
Lisa T Sanchez D. CA
Elijah Cummings D. MD. Deceased
Once again, Syed Abul Ala Maududi, founder of Jamaat-e-Islami / Muslim Brotherhood hoods said: “Non-Muslims have ABSOLUTELY no right to seize the reins of power in ANY part of God’s earth nor to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines. If they do, the believers would be under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life.”
Sheikh Ahmed Badran said “Once Muslims come to power they will NEVER allow infidels to rule over Muslims”.
DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY MUSLIM OR THEIR COLLABORATORS, or you WILL end up living under Shari’ah if they spare you. Best not to vote for the Democrats.
gravenimage says
Too many fools believe that when CAIR says they are a civil rights organization that they are telling the truth.
peter says
Where is BBC and Aljazeera in all of this . Not one word of condemnation from any of the left wing media . If it was other way round if one muslim girl was raped by a non muslim they would have been on it 24/7 .I think the left wing media is abusing press freedom and should be made liable for under reporting . That is the only way these criminals could be held accountable .As the saying goes pen is mightier than sword!
E T says
You give politicians more credit than I do GI. I spent years watching people I called trained seals, turning their heads and selling their souls. I always thought a lot of politions were stupid, cowards, who would not stand up for much, but money.
I remember in my youth being a witness at a trial, it was an absolute farce the way the defence lawyer trashed the witnesses, had some of the women in tears. When it came my turn to testify, the lawyer started yelling at me. I was 26 and had never been in a court before. Finally I asked him why was he yelling at me and told him I was not the bad guy and neither were the other women. He asked the judge if he was going to allow me to keep saying what ever I wanted about his client. LOL not that I have an Irish temper, but red heads might be more inclined to be firery, anyway I told the judge I was appalled by this man’s actions and what a stupid farce the situation was. I told the judge I thought some people must have been dropped on their heads to put up with such nonsense. Ha, he thanked me for my opinion, found the guy guilty and that was the end of that.
All these years later nothing seems to have changed, people still put up the stupid, coward’s crap. If only people would expect and demand more, the world would be a better place. INVEST IN YOUR FREEDOM, PUSH BACK, and never say die lol.
gravenimage says
E T, I assure you I am *not* giving politicians a free pass. Clearly many must have learned about these rape gangs–whether they understood the role of Islam in this is another issue–but that they allowed it to all be swept under the rug or even for those speaking out to be vilified is *shameful*.
And thanks for your account of the trial where you testified–you are a brave and decent person!
somehistory says
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/gangs-in-tampa-grooming-branding-and-selling-white-children-for-sex-video/
gravenimage says
Deeply disturbing, Somehistory. Glad the police and the press are onto this story. Any idea as to whether there is a link to Islam here? There are certainly a lot of Muslims in the Tampa area.
It’s hard at this point to get much information on the perpetrators.
somehistory says
My best guess is that it is connected, but no proof as yet. Doing an search turns up a lot of info, but I didn’t read through all of it…too much with too little time.
But, I did run across this
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/12/grooming_gangs_and_sharia.html
Everywhere moslims go…and as you said, Tampa has more than its share…their practices go with them. And this is one of tee most disgusting and demonic of the long list of disgusting, evil and demonic, things they do.
Margita says
Not even the communists sacrificed their children for some political agenda. Britain has sunk very, very low.
Frank Anderson says
Margita, the sacrifice of children has been done in many ways by many countries. Look at the way lives were wasted in trench warfare on both sides in WWI. Look at the killings of their own soldiers by both Nazi’s and Communists in WWII, and Korea. . .Totalitarian ideology places no value on individual human life. Paraphrasing Nazi propaganda, “As long as the number of cradles is greater than the number of coffins, we will be okay.” When a child is a burden and a statistic instead of a blessing it will be valueless.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Frank.
TruthHonestReality says
The men of England have clearly waived the white surrender flag long ago.