Where is the NYPD? Or would interfering in this be “Islamophobic”? Are the streets outside the Masjid Taqwa in Brooklyn going to feature open warfare between the Muslim Community Patrol and the Bloods? The MCP (and the Bloods) shouldn’t even exist, and one law should be enforced for everyone. But those days have long gone.
“REJECTED! Leader of Muslim Community Patrol rejects peace agreement with Bloods gang,” by Martin Mawyer, Christian Action Network, December 26, 2019:
Christian Action Network Exclusive. Radical Islamic cleric Siraj Wahhaj has reportedly rejected a tentative peace agreement between a lieutenant of his Muslim Community Patrol & Services (MCP&S) and a notorious Bloods gang member.
Had the peace deal been accepted, MCP&S would have agreed to stop patrolling Gates Avenue and Marcus Boulevard in Brooklyn, N.Y., home to a notorious faction of the Bloods gang. In exchange, the Bloods would have agreed to inflicting no further violence on members of Imam Wahhaj’s Masjid Taqwa in Brooklyn, which is largely seen as controlling MCP&S.
The feud between the two groups began the evening of Dec. 10 when an MCP&S “patrolman” threw a teenage boy against a fence for allegedly disrespecting a Muslim woman at the Masjid Taqwa. The boy happened to be the son of an “Original Gangster” of the Bloods.
A few days later a Muslim man was severely beaten outside the mosque, home to Siraj Wahhaj, in what was understood to be a retaliatory attack.
Following the retaliation, MCP&S asked for a parley with the Bloods gang, which had labeled the mosque and MCP&S as “food” for the gang’s notorious “dogs.”
This “sit down” was held Dec. 21, with five MCP&S representatives, led by Ali Karim, meeting with six Bloods members at the home of Bloods member Big Infinite, father of the teen who was thrown against the fence by the MCP&S member.
The Bloods originally demanded that Ali Karim, who serves directly beneath Imam Siraj Wahhaj, turn over the MCP&S member who roughed up the teen, or at least give them his address. Only then, the Bloods stipulated, would violence against Masjid Taqwa and MCP&S be suspended.
Karim dismissed that demand and asked for an alternative peace plan that would involve MCP&S agreeing to stop sending their police-cruiser-style patrol vehicles into the Bloods’ neighborhood. Karim also told the Bloods that the MCP&S member who attacked the boy had been fired.
Ali Karim is second in command of MCP&S, responsible for hiring patrolmen, supervising the group’s marked patrol vehicles and assigning duties to “officers.” Karim does not hold an official title with the nonprofit organization, which has repeatedly been accused of trying to enforce Sharia law in the city.
Though the Bloods agreed to Karim’s alternative solution, the plan still needed the approval of Imam Siraj Wahhaj to be finalized.
When presented with the proposal, Wahhaj, well known for his desire to replace American law with Islamic law, rejected the agreement and told Karim to turn the address of the ex-MCP&S member over to the Bloods….
gravenimage says
Brooklyn: Muslim Community Patrol rejects peace agreement with Bloods gang
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This Shari’ah patrol is not a government. How can they do this legally? Why isn’t the NYPD doing anything?
Frank Anderson says
No law is involved. The city is obviously looking the other way. This is a private matter between 2 private parties. Until the law enforcement takes a side, the path is open to a repeat of Nazi/Communist violence in 1920’s and 30’s Germany. which did not end well for all who were caught in the middle.
gravenimage says
Yes, Frank–crazy.
Frank Anderson says
GI, again I apologize for yet another reference to German history. TO ME, perhaps to some others, there is so much common between then and now that lessons might be learned before being repeated. In Germany my reading suggests, not specifically in immediately citable references, but generally by implication, that German law enforcement sided with the Nazis in preference to the Communists, leading to the well-known results.
Letting 2 dangerous groups war it out on the streets among the very bystanders the law is supposed to protect is a dereliction of duty. The big (Washington DC?) appeals court case says that police have NO duty to protect individuals. I disagree. We are forced to pay them, They take our money while they “work” and for many years after. To say they are free to stand idly while we are beaten or murdered is nonsense. But right now I think that is the current law. NYPD and any other “law enforcement agency” is free to ignore any crime it wishes to repeal from the books by refusing to enforce that law in preference for enforcing its law of choice.
gravenimage says
No need to apologize, Frank–I agree. I often refer to the parallels between now and circumstances leading up to WWII–especially with dangerous cluelessness about the threat of Fascism.
By the way, I am replying to you on the “Baghdad: Iran-backed Kataib Hizballah militia besieges US embassy…” thread.
Frank Anderson says
GI, from one friend to another, How can an Untermensch, subhuman, worthless, vile, infidel kafir insult a muslim that the muslim will 1) hear and 2) take as the intended insult? How many muslims are submitting here with kafirs? We can show each other the courtesy and respect we deserve in the process of our campaign to help others see what is coming if we do not act. “A twofold cord is strong; but a three-fold cord is not easily broken!” A Masonic quote from the Bible. ALWAYS with greatest and most sincere respect to you.
gravenimage says
Hi Frank.
You wrote:
GI, from one friend to another, How can an Untermensch, subhuman, worthless, vile, infidel kafir insult a muslim that the muslim will 1) hear and 2) take as the intended insult? How many muslims are submitting here with kafirs?
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Dear Frank, I don’t always refer to Islam assuming that Muslims will heed what I have to say. For instance, if I say, “God, I hate Islam” I don’t assume that Muslims are going to be concerned that some American Anti-Jihadist doesn’t like their vicious creed.
This is more aimed at others here who also hate Islam.
I think this was also the case with elee on that thread. I don’t think he was assuming that large numbers of Iraqi Muslims would be reading his comments in English on Jihad Watch.
More:
We can show each other the courtesy and respect we deserve in the process of our campaign to help others see what is coming if we do not act. “A twofold cord is strong; but a three-fold cord is not easily broken!” A Masonic quote from the Bible. ALWAYS with greatest and most sincere respect to you.
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I agree that we should treat each other with respect, Frank. But that comment from elee was intended to condemn ungrateful Muslims–there is, I believe, no way to think that what he was doing was intending to hurt anyone here at Jihad Watch who may have been born out of wedlock.
In fact, Oxford lists this literal use of “bastard” as a derogatory term for someone born out of wedlock as *archaic*:
https://www.lexico.com/definition/bastard
There has been little stigma about this for decades now, and especially not since the 1960s–at least not against someone born out of wedlock themselves.
Frank Anderson says
GI, elee expressed an apology which I sincerely accept and believe the issue is settled.
I KNOW frustration. I know anger. If I have learned anything positive it is to direct them (frustration and anger) at deserving objects (targets) instead of those who do not need or deserve abuse. Making common cause demands that we support each other starting with basic respect; when those we oppose beat us with every insult they can imagine, from words to deeds to weapons to death and slavery. I don’t know how long ago I learned to focus my anger to those who deserved it while shielding those I wish to be friends from as much of it (my anger) as possible.
I think one alternative to the free use of the word bastard, which is a garden variety child born out of wedlock, is the word mamser, which is almost if not entirely non-existent, said to be a child resulting from adultery or incest between 2 Jews and absolutely nothing else. The stigma reduction you cite is probably caused by the FACT that so many of us are now brought to life “without benefit of clergy”. However small the insult is becoming to non-believer/infidel/kafirs, it is totally meaningless to any muslim. The ONLY people being insulted are the non-muslims reading here who got here without any wrongdoing on their part..
I cannot see, no matter how much and how often we agree on MANY subjects, that your expression of dislike for islam is an insult to anyone. It is a simple statement of your feeling, opinion, outrage, that is always well earned by the circumstances you are addressing. One of my expressions of disrespect, bound to be noticed by some, is the lack of capitalization of islam and muslim. They don’t deserve capitals.
Westman says
I’m betting the NYC Police Depth is quite aware of the ramifications of allowing the MCP to get in the gang’s business and hopes they can get control of the gang’s streets where NYC could not.
The MCP does not need drug money for incentive, has litte fear of death, is quite willing to use equally illegal means to shut down the gangs, and likely to lie about it. The gangs have never been up against a “Big Daddy”, “moral enforcement” gang. My money is on the MCP winning the NYC street, “civil war”.
Scott Carlson says
Muslims won’t do that. They seek to dominate without any compromise. They don’t compromise. Their totalitarian ideology forbids it. They’re supremacists and that’s why.
Westman says
Muslims won’t forbid? Getting their nose in the Blood’s business does not mean adopting it, rather, stopping it. Sharia patrolling is all about “forbidding”.
gravenimage says
I don’t think having Muslims take over the Bloods’ territory would be an improvement. But so far, the Bloods seem to be intimidating the Muslims.
Muslims are seldom very brave. They prefer targeting women and vulnerable minorities.
Remember, this standoff started because they roughed up a kid.
LB says
Isn’t NYC mayor (De Blazio I think is his name) one of the biggest PC leftists and groveling appeasers to “minorities”? It’s no surprise that he doesn’t dare lift a finger against the Bloods (blacks) and the MCP (muslims). Something tells me that if those groups were made up of white people, they wouldn’t see the light of day. But that’s just my assumption.
Cindy Carlson says
Orders from imbecile DeBlasio
James Lincoln says
The bloods do not understand islam.
Any peace agreement with muslims is worthless.
Scott Carlson says
You’re right. Most blacks don’t know hardly crap about Islam. They still think that the fake prophet Mohammad was a black man because the Muslims used that lie to lock them in. Little do they know, the Quran Has atleast 8 verses describing him as being a white man with white skin.
FYI says
I don’t trust muslim police
“This is the MCP:Officers Abdool and Abdooool
9-11 part#2 will shortly be in progress inshallah:allahu akbar!”
Tavish says
Islam teaches lying is OK. Muruna, taqiya, tawriya and kitman, taught in their alleged “holy” books are all strategies of lying that are actively encouraged in the their war against the West. That’s why they call the West and kafir world in general “dar al harb” (world of war, literally).
Tavish says
No sane, logical, rational person would trust Muslim. Islam teaches them explicitly to hate and murder and lie to non Muslims. It’s all over the Koran–Sura 9:5, Sura 5:51, Sura 9:29,etc.
lawrence estavan says
This is a completely unconfirmed story. I am not sure I am ready to believe it at all.
Ferd III says
Maybe read it properly incl the embedded links. It is confirmed.
Jim says
I never thought I would say this, but I sincerely hope that the Bloods turn their wrath on EVERY MCP Sharia officer. NYC won’t stop these Sharia enforcers; maybe the Bloods will.
Carol the 1st says
In one of the links above it describes this:
“When asked if the MCP&S agreement means its patrol officers will no longer put their hands on people anywhere in the city, the source laughed. ‘They’re going to continue doing that. It just means they won’t be putting their hands on people on Gates Avenue.'”
What business or right do they have to “put their hands on people”? Better these self-appointed aggressors be closeted up before there’s collateral damage. And if Siraj Wahhaj turns over the address of the man they want it’s possibly because Islam would prefer sacrificing normal loyalty over appearing to cede any turf to the kafirs. The Bloods have stated bad intentions toward the man and so if they arrive at his house as the “aggressor” the tables could be turned on them.
Elaine says
Since when is an illegal (muslim shariah) allowed to patrol, period. This is pure bs and very disgusting. To allow the sharia patrol is everything stupid and nothing good will come from it. It appears the NYPD has caved to the shariah demands and we all know lying is in the dna of every muslim; how sad for our country. Get rid of them as it will only get worse. Why the hell do they refuse to assimilate??? because it will never be enforced.
and all of this after 9/11; you have made osama very happy
Les Landers says
Not the NYPD! The city officials namely the POS mayor!!
gravenimage says
This Shari’ah Patrol deliberately mimics the NYPD:
“New York City: Muslim Community Patrol working in cars resembling NYPD cars, wearing NYPD uniform lookalikes”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/new-york-city-muslim-community-patrol-working-in-cars-resembling-nypd-cars-wearing-nypd-uniform-lookalikes
I’m sure some people do not know the difference.
Reziac says
While neighborhood patrols are generally legal, impersonating authority with intent to deprive another of rights is not; in fact, it’s a federal offense under US Code Title 18, Sections 241-242, and Federal marshals take a dim view of violations. This is still kinda borderline, but it’s getting there.
But the point really is that it makes Muslims the local voice of authority, and therefore legitimizes their rule over that territory. Or so they see it. Once they’ve done away with the gangs (and I’d bet on the Muslims, because of their hope of martyrdom) expect this to expand into Sharia patrol that gradually encroaches on the surrounding areas.
Remember mosques aren’t just houses of worship; they’re first and foremost symbols of conquest.
gravenimage says
Reziac, I have no problem with neighborhood patrols who contact the police if they see something amiss–in fact, I belonged to one of these groups myself at one point.
But yes–impersonating the police and roughing up kids is illegal and *should* be prosecuted.
Terry Gain says
Both. Why hasn’t the NYPD shut down Muslims imitating the police?
gravenimage says
This is what the NYPD said a year ago:
“NYPD on Muslim Community Patrol: ‘This group is not officially sanctioned by the NYPD, they’re subject to the law’”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/01/nypd-on-muslim-community-patrol-this-group-is-not-officially-sanctioned-by-the-nypd-theyre-subject-to-the-law
I don’t know if the NYPD changed their minds, or–more likely–suffered pressure from above to allow these dangerous Islamic thugs to have free reign.
FYI says
Maybe if anybody sees one of the MCP they should call..the NYPD saying they have just seen dubious looking characters who appear to be impersonating Police officers…SWAT back up may be needed..
gravenimage says
Spot on FYI!
Gork says
Were it not for the innocents that might be caught in the crossfire, I would happily sit behind bullet proof glass with my beer and popcorn to watch the show. But seeing that neither side really gives a damn about the rest of humanity, I suggest that any fighting between these two groups should result in a full SWAT raid on both of their houses.
If the city and state doesn’t assert itself then we have no reason to give a damn about any law they write.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Gork. But there are many decent people in Brooklyn endangered by this insanity.
Save Europe says
Let’s hope Sabri (the invader into Queen’s, has read this article).
‘It’ claimed ‘blacks’ are happy with the Muslim patrols. It appears, not!
gravenimage says
I pointed that out to Sabri S. on another thread, where he absurdly claimed that all Blacks and Latinos welcomed brutal Shari’ah patrols walking the streets.
gravenimage says
Of course, he never answered.
FYI says
well let’s hope they don’t find out that muhammed,the prophet of the muslims was the owner,buyer and seller of black African slaves.
{we wouldn’t want to exacerbate the situation do we?}
Or that in islam,the satan is depicted as….a black man{Ibn Ishaq pg 243}.
Or the worst thing anybody could ever say about muhammed..
“Whoever says the prophet is black is killed.The prophet was not black”
Ash Shifa of Qadi Lyad 387
Frank Anderson says
FYI I still cringe and shudder at the thought of muslim treatment of black male slaves. According to one estimate I read, 80 percent bled to death as a result.
Reziac says
As I recall, Arabic uses the same word for ‘black’ and ‘slave’…
gravenimage says
True, Frank–hideous. The fact that there are few survivors of Black slavery in the Middle East is very telling.
And Reziak, you are right. The word in Arabic is “abd”.
Diane Harvey says
Can’t wait for the next installment of this day-time drama.
Tavish says
Wait until somebody informs the blacks about what true Islam teaches and become aware of the fact that Mohammed was a slave trader and called blacks pug nosed raisin heads and said that all people in hell have black faces. and that Mohammed traded 2 black slaves for 1 white slave in the Hadiths in Sahih Muslim 3901: “Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah’s Apostle ﷺ on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah’s Apostle ﷺ said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)”.
https://muflihun.com/muslim/10/3901
Frank Scarn says
This has shades of Mafia-related feuds.
Pretty soon everyone will be “goin’ to the mattress.”
Save Europe says
I will say this –
Go THE BLOODS (on this issue, solely).
Peter WF says
Looking forward to more reports.
Wellington says
It should certainly not be overlooked that the only non-Muslims Mo’s followers have any kind of respect for are those that convey strength—the strong horse “stuff” v, the weak horse and all that. Put another way, kindness to the spiritual proto-type to Nazis which Muslims en masse are only invites their contempt.
Michael Copeland says
Why should the mosque agree to peace?
The West is the Realm of War, Dar al Harb.
The kafir is the enemy: Islamic doctrine.
Scott Carlson says
There’s no such thing as a peace agreement with Muslims. They claim they’re about peace but prove they’re anything but when they won’t even agree with a peace agreement. That should tell you everything you need to know about these Muslims. Those who come to dominate don’t agree to compromise.
GET THEM OUT!!!
Stanton Lore says
So he rejected the deal and still gave the Boods the address of the Muslim who roughed up the Bloods relative? As in signing his death warrant. Amazing leadership qualities!!
Frank Anderson says
S.L. think of the possibilities! Suppose the address given was for a person who was “unpopular”. That way the “unpopular” person is “punished”, The Bloods have the opportunity for charges for dealing with the wrong person. And the “real” target is safe because the Bloods think they have taken care of the problem. “War is deceit.” Lying whenever advantage can be obtained is core to Islam’s plan of conquest. Sounds like an Angel plot from Rockford Files.
E T says
The House of War is Every land where Muslims do not rule yet and where Islamists will FIGHT until they prevail, no matter how long it takes.
jewdog says
Now we can have a factional conflict between militias just like they have in Syria right here at home! It’s all part of our multicultural reality. I do think we should supply weapons and air support to the Bloods as part of the War on Terror.
Tom says
Maybe the NYPD are taking the stance “Let them have at it and the two problems will take care of themselves”
A war between the bloods and islam may be on the books and unavoidable, so perhaps the police will just contain it, rather than try to stop it.
Frank Anderson says
Tom, meaning absolutely no disrespect to you, is this not similar to Weimar Germany allowing the Nazis and Communists to fight? By doing so they proved that law enforcement was useless. IF there is not a third choice, it is which of 2 violent gangs win. IF both are not ended, only law abiding people will lose.
Tom says
I agree and was not suggesting it should happen. I was merely putting forward what may be inevitable knowing the mindless determination of both the bloods and the Islamists to gain supremacy.
Frank Anderson says
Tom, we agree about the appearance of the situation. I did not think you wished for this uncontrolled fight to happen.
Others who comment here seem to because they have not made the historical connection. I treasure Santayana’s quote, “Those who cannot remember the lessons of the past are condemned to repeat them.”
Much longer than I have been commenting here, I have struggled with the question of a third choice for Germany where only 2 were presented, Nazi and Communist. One demonstrated wholesale murder and violence in a civil war (See, Red Victory) while the other promised peace and order. About the same time Hitler came to power and dictatorship, Millions died in the civil war followed by Stalin murdering more or less 10 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor, making the Nazis look very good for the moment.
If you were confronted with ONLY 2 choices, Bloods or muslims, which would you choose? Hard call, isn’t it?
gravenimage says
I’m not going to choose between these barbarisms–and we should not have to.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I would not want to make the choice between 2 evils either. But the Germans had no other choice. Do we today? Where is it (The Third Choice) with the corruption we discuss daily? IF we do not find or create that third option, it will not be our decision, unless we try to escape-but, where will we go?
dhans says
Well, that is the way the British controlled all of India for so long. The government then becomes the only peaceful arbitrator of conflict. Why else do you think this whole “multiculturalism is our strength” BS was propagated on us? Did you really think that they thought this had any truth to it? Any grade school understanding of history would destroy that lie rapidly. The other lie that needs to die is that all religions are equally valid. Societies need unifying moral codes, otherwise they explode. You can’t have diverse religions ever occupying the same ground peacefully.
E T says
Happy New Year to you Frank Anderson. It would be nice to see someone step up and demand some law and order, but that would require a politician with a spine.
Frank Anderson says
E T, spine is definitely required. And it almost certainly starts with voters. MANY politicians blow in the wind. That to me is why DJT was both elected and impeached (charged). As long as indecisive candidates are elected to office more for what the office can do for them than what they can do for the United States, all of the United States, this will continue until we crash. Look at the experience of other countries that have crashed in the last 100 years or so. Do we really want to learn all the painful, expensive and deadly lessons again? The presently unidentified Third Alternative is needed and soon. Honest law-abiding law enforcement is the only choice if we do not wish to fail into a brutal dictatorship. Corruption is deadly to the Constitution and to liberty.
gravenimage says
+1
OLD GUY says
How about LAW and ORDER neither the MCP or BLOODS are a legally acting group representing the citizen of this country. The NYPD needs to step up and do their job. The MCP needs to be disbanded and the Bloods need to be broke up and where appropriate jailed. Neither of these gangs needs to be roaming our streets. Let’s not have to send in the MARINES to do the NYPD’s job!
kirk says
Soon Muslim patrols will be in every city the Democrats control, this should be completely illegal, but in reality this is who the Democrats want to replace nypd with