“What Beltrami County is doing is denying refugees a chance at a better life,” said Omar. “Native Minnesotans blame the influx of Somalis for spikes in crime. Minnesota statistics released in July 2018 showed that incidents of violent crime including murder decreased compared to 2017, but rape and involuntary sex trafficking rose to the highest rate seen in almost a quarter-century.”
So apparently Minnesotans aren’t allowed to try to provide a better life for themselves and their children. They must instead be wholly concerned with providing Muslim migrants a better life.
“Omar sounds off after Minnesota county bans refugee resettlement – aided by Trump executive order,” by Danielle Wallace, Fox News, January 10, 2020 (thanks to the Geller Report):
After an executive order by President Trump made it possible, a northern Minnesota county on Tuesday night opted to ban the resettlement of refugees within its boundaries, becoming the first in the state and the second in the nation to do so.
The vote at a crowded public meeting in Beltrami County, a sparsely inhabited area surrounding Red Lake, drew condemnation from many Minnesota Democrats, including U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar.
The move was viewed by many as a reaction to spiking crime in the state since large numbers of Somali refugees began arriving, according to reports. But supporters say it was simply an exercise of their rights, as facilitated by the president.
“President Trump empowered counties to have a voice in the decision-making process for the federal refugee resettlement program,” state Rep. Matt Grossell, a Republican, told the Duluth News Tribune. “Tonight, Beltrami County exercised that option.”
In a Twitter message Wednesday, Omar – who immigrated to Minnesota from Somalia as a teenager – saw the vote differently.
“Over 20 years ago, the state of Minnesota welcomed my family with open arms. I never would’ve had the opportunities that led me to Congress had I been rejected,” Omar wrote. “What Beltrami County is doing is denying refugees a chance at a better life.”
Omar fled Somalia with her family near the beginning of the country’s civil war in 1991 and lived in a Kenyan refugee camp for four years until immigrating to the U.S. in 1995.
The Trump administration announced in November that resettlement agencies must get written consent from state and local officials in any jurisdiction where they want to help resettle refugees beyond June 2020. The order says the agencies were not working closely enough with local officials on resettling refugees and his administration acted to respect communities that believe they do not have the jobs or other resources to be able to take in refugees. Refugees have the right to move anywhere in the United States after their initial resettlement, but at their own expense.
The vote drew applause from many of the crowd of more than 150 people present at the board chambers in Bemidji, Minn., which is about 140 miles northwest of Duluth. Native Minnesotans blame the influx of Somalis for spikes in crime.
Minnesota statistics released in July 2018 showed that incidents of violent crime including murder decreased compared to 2017, but rape and involuntary sex trafficking rose to the highest rate seen in almost a quarter-century, The Duluth News Tribune reported, citing the state Department of Public Safety Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. The report did not give a definitive reason for the spike….
Philis O'Shaughnessy says
Good deal minnesota
terry sullivan says
welll done
Jay says
Omar is being investigated for immigration fraud, for IRS fraud, for illegally marrying her brother, for using campaign funds illegally, for illegally paying her current boyfriend for campaign services, etc etc !!
Why is it taking so long to have a trial and remove her from office and remove her from the USA?
Omar is truly the enemy within!! She is certainly a disgrace, a traitor, and continually embarrasses the state of Minnesota! She is an example of liberalism truly being a mental disease!!
Trump,2020. Our only hope !
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veggiedude says
Dude, it is Conservatism that is the mental disease – the Middle East is proof enough. All those radical Islamist are conservative hard liners running their religion. Similar status happening over here too in USA – wacko conservatives in red states trying to set up their own sharia law on the people.
James says
Wrong. The mistake made by veggiedude is to assume that conservatism is one-size-fits all. Actually many different things are conservative. A conservative Christian is different from an economic conservative. A conservative Muslim is different from a conservative Buddhist. So they are apples and oranges. Veggiedude should take some courses in politics or political sociology, some course where the teacher can explain things like that. No offense intended
gravenimage says
+1
gravenimage says
The idea that “conservatives” are of a piece is ludicrous. What civilized Infidels are trying to set up Shari’ah law in the US? Citations, please.
Save Europe says
Idiot!
At the very worst case scenario, ‘some’ Conservatives are NOT being hard enough against Islam, you utter pillock!
ploome says
who is investigating her?
Chris says
The Federal Election Committee has publicly stated they are investigating the campaign violations. Additionally, Judicial Watch (judicialwatch.org) has filed a formal ethics complaint against her in congress)(you can view the complaint on their website). These are the only two investigations I am aware of…
gravenimage says
Thanks, Chris.
Sharon Dee (@MNSharon) says
And recently encouraged Iran to take out the Trump properties world wide…she is the picture of anti American, terrorist evil.
DazzleMe says
Well said, Jay
John Connor says
My family and I moved from the greater Twin Cities are to another state because of the huge influx of Muzzies there. Even the far suburbs of Minneapolis had folks waling around wearing bed sheets . Yes they bring crime/drugs/ gangs with their ” Religion of Pieces” with them.
Westman says
“Minnesota statistics released in July 2018 showed that incidents of violent crime including murder decreased compared to 2017, but rape and involuntary sex trafficking rose to the highest rate seen in almost a quarter-century”
Who would have thought that rape was NOT a violent crime in Minnesota? Maybe that should have a similarity to CA: “Islamic Immigration contains rape, known in the state of Minnesota to cause non-violence.”
Ray Jarman says
It is simple arithmetic: 2 + 2 = 4 or rape + involuntary sex trafficking = Muslim invaders.
gravenimage says
There are some non-Muslim rapists and sex traffickers–but Muslims are involved in these crimes out of all proportion to their numbers.
gravenimage says
Good point, Westman–how is rape *not* violent?
James Lincoln says
John Connor,
How has the muslim influx affected real estate prices, etc., ???
winoceros says
Depends on the area. In Eagan, a Muslim developer is trying to build an “immigrant friendly” community. Mosque, halal shops, daycare, etc. And subsidized housing/apartments. The area would plummet. The west side of Eagan is a good 100k less in home prices than the east due to subsidized housing which is not primarily Somali at all, but that’s where they live except for a few homeowners.
James Lincoln says
winoceros,
Many thanks for the reply.
gravenimage says
I don’t blame you and your family for moving, John, but I hate to see us cede our lands to Muslims.
E T says
How many Americans, slash voters, are aware of the GOP Governors who have requested more refugee resettlement? I.e. Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, Tennessee, North Dakota, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Utah, Nebraska, West Virginia, Indiana, Vermont, Massachusetts, Ohio, Arkansas, Missouri, Idaho, and Maryland. The money you receive for taking them in will never cover the cost of keeping them.
Wellington says
Good point. Many Republicans remain in willful ignorance mode too about the nature of Islam and what comes with it. Though, to be complete, almost all who do “get” Islam can be found on the right, not left, side of the political spectrum, including many registered Republicans—like me.
So many non-Muslims just can’t seem to wrap their head around the fact that a major religion can be evil. Learn this and everything else about Islam and its adherents will start to fall into place.
buzzinoffski says
Islam is not a religion . Period .
yiyoya says
Pray tell, by what arbitrary and superficial definition of the word is Islam not a religion? Islam is very much a religion. Religion is an early form of philosophy, a precursor of philosophy. It is man’s early attempt at explaining the nature of the universe. The crucial element of a religion are supernatural claims based on FAITH and REVELATION. Supernatural claims beyond the reach of REASON, solely based on FAITH and REVELATION. A believer must believe these supernatural claims not through demonstrable evidence, logic, and proof, but in spite of them, because the believer simply must, the FAITH demands it. Is the Muslim’s supernatural, almighty, creator, Allah not based on FAITH? Can Allah be proven to exist by reason, logic, evidence, and science? How about Paradise and the 72 virgins?
You must think that religion as such can only be the good, that religion by definition cannot be evil nor lead to evil, that’s an arbitrary and superficial definition, a definition by non-essentials. It is not only misleading but dangerous to believe that religion by definition can never be evil.
“I have said that faith and force are corollaries, and that mysticism will always lead to the rule of brutality. The cause of it is contained in the very nature of mysticism. Reason is the only objective means of communication and of understanding among men; when men deal with one another by means of reason, reality is their objective standard and frame of reference. But when men claim to possess supernatural means of knowledge, no persuasion, communication or understanding are possible. Why do we kill wild animals in the jungle? Because no other way of dealing with them is open to us. And that is the state to which mysticism reduces mankind—a state where, in case of disagreement, men have no recourse except to physical violence….Western civilization was the child and product of reason—via ancient Greece. In all other civilizations, reason has always been the menial servant—the handmaiden—of mysticism. You may observe the results. It is only Western culture that has ever been dominated—imperfectly, incompletely, precariously and at rare intervals—but still, dominated by reason. You may observe the results of that….The conflict of reason versus mysticism is the issue of life or death—of freedom or slavery—of progress or stagnant brutality. Or, to put it another way, it is the conflict of consciousness versus unconsciousness.” – Ayn Rand
gravenimage says
Islam is indeed a religion–it is just an evil religion.
,
Not all religions are good. What about the religion of Baal and of the Aztecs, who both practiced human sacrifice?
CogitoErgoSum says
Wait a minute. Ayn Rand said there is no other way to deal with wild animals in the jungle except to kill them? How did cats and dogs ever become pets and how did men get horses to allow men to rid them? And she said mysticism always leads to brutality? I don’t think so. It leads men to having dreams of a world where people and things can be better than they currently are. The problems arise when men disagree on how to achieve those goals of getting to a better world. Nothing mystical about that.
Wellington says
Based on what, buzzinoffski?
buzzinoffski says
Why I believe Islam and Islamic belief are false
http://www.peace-of-mind.net/islamic_belief.htm
Islam is a system of beliefs originated by Muhammad who lived in Arabia from 570 to 633 AD. Central to this belief system is the claim by Muhammad that he believed the angel Gabriel appeared to him in a cave at Hira situated a few miles from Mecca in the month of Ramadan in 610 AD when he was 40 years of age.
Wellington says
buzzinoffski: With respect, you have mixed apples with oranges. A religion can be false (which Islam surely is—here we have no disagreement) but this does not mean it is not a religion.
buzzinoffski says
I am a Devout Agnostic . I believe there is more to our existence than just being here, because of my life experiences . That keeps me from being an Athiest. I am now 74 . I have no use use for ANY ” organized religion ” . I was raised Presbyterian . I found that, like George Carlin, that when I prayed, I found that I was just talking to myself . ” Organized Religion ” truly is the ” Opiate of the Masses ” . ” Faith ” cannot be bought, sold, or given away . It can, however, be used to coerce . See things, our way, or die ( be ostracized, be disinherited , boycotted, die, etc. ) ? Bend over . Hold ankles, or worship the same ” Popup toaster ” as me, or suffer . What separates Presbyterianism from the others ? ” Predestination ” . When you’re a kid, asking for an explanation of that, got you in hot water, like asking who made God . ” Why must I strive to always be good, when everything I do is predestined ? WHAP !
PRCS says
You are correct.
It is NOT a ‘religion’.
Not JUST a religion.
It is a theocracy. A 1400 year old ‘complete way of life’ in which there is no separation of the secular and the sacred.
That Ellison, Omar, Tlaib, Carson and so many other Muslims are in elected and appointed office is, in great measure, a result of the ongoing failure of ‘journalists’, politicians and others continue to publicly address that.
Rufolino says
You could have fooled me, but I thought Islam was a violent totalitarian ideology dressed up in religious clothes.
gravenimage says
buzzinoffski, you can believe that no religion is true, but this does not mean that no religion exists.
Terry says
The muslim community claims they are descendants of Ishmael, Abraham’s first son. According to prophesy, his first son was the rightful heir of Abraham’s Jewish tribe whose God was Yahweh. I think that defines Islam as a religion….even if the whole thing is a twisted mess…especially if we try to explain how Yahweh morphed into Allah…or how descendants of a common ancestor pray to the same God, by definition, yet refuse to acknowledge that part of their common history.
Buzz says
WoW ! Gimme annutter hit !
E T says
Wellington, my dear man, I do hope you have a very happy 2020.
Wellington says
Thank you, E T. Same to you.
barbaracvm1 says
Idaho’s governor wants the federal money that comes with the refugees. A lot of agencies want to honor our veterans but the city and state want to accommodate the refugees.
Terry says
I believe Hamdi Ulukaya, a Turkish- Kurd who is founder and owner of Chobani Greek yogurt is based in southern Idaho and one of the reasons for the welcoming of muslim immigrants.
Michael Copeland says
The US State Department is paying refugee contractors over $2100 per refugee, of which they get to keep 45% of the money, which has nothing to do with charity or religious values.
https://needtoknow.news/2020/01/18-republican-governors-ask-for-more-refugees-in-their-states-while-charities-are-cashing-in-and-grifting-off-of-american-taxpayers/
Jan&Mat says
There is a world-wide misapprehension that the sole raison d’être for the existence of the US and its citizen workforce is to fix every life and every disaster and every disease and every piece of bad luck or hurt feelings that occurs to anyone, anywhere on this planet. W R O N G !!!! Grow your own food, build your own infrastructure, invent your own machinery, technology, medicine, and take pride in it because you did. Don’t be a jealous, vengeful cry baby, always expecting/demanding more more more. We don’t owe you.
Ginny says
Amen.
CogitoErgoSum says
Really, what are people supposed to do? If Christians, Jews and others invite Muslims to live as neighbors with them the Muslims are not supposed to take those “infidels” as friends and allies but are supposed to fight them until they submit to Islam or pay the Jizya. If Christians, Jews and others ban Muslims from their midst, the Muslims are supposed to fight those “infidels” until they submit to Islam or pay the Jizya. I don’t see what the Infidels have to lose by not wanting to live with Muslims …. certainly not their friendship.
barbaracvm1 says
The Koran very clearly states that the muslims must demand all infidels convert or else. This is how they prove how good a muslim they are.
CogitoErgoSum says
That’s how I understand it. However, to get around this obligation to wage war many Muslims prefer to pretend that they are poor and helpless victims of oppression who are too weak to fight. That takes a lot less effort and they get loads of sympathy from the Infidels who have been raised to feel guilty about ignoring the poor and the weak.
E T says
Buy a gun, a dog, a pet pig to run around your yard, play loud music and drink on your porch. Fly a Trump 2020 flag and they probably will not move in next to you.
Carolyne says
I wouldn’t move next to me either. But it is true, and it cannot be denied that wherever Muslims move in, civilized behavior moves out. They are thieves, rapists and laggards who expect and seem to get, lifetime support from the working indigenous people who become little more than slaves to these barbarians. Somalians are especially bad, yet planeloads were taken into Minnesota in the dead of night during the Islamic Obama years in his effort to Muslimize the country.
Chris says
Mount a loudspeaker outside your house and blast “Baby Shark” 24/7
Liz says
Thanks for the light hearted cringe Chris. 🙂 Please know you successfully baited at least one person to Google search Baby Shark today.
Mitch says
Local government, what a crazy concept. God bless Donald Trump.
Halal Bacon says
why are their countries shitholes in the first place? if you don’t look at the cause you are bound to fail again
Savvy Kafir says
Good point. The West is importing the toxic ideology that has created the most barbaric, retrograde societies on Earth. And most people never stop to wonder why those societies are so hellish. That seems like a sensible question to ponder before welcoming immigrants from those countries.
tim gallagher says
A very good point by both of you, Halal Bacon and Savvy Kafir. And Islam is not just some barbaric and backward throwback to how people lived in the 7th century Arab countries, but, even more importantly, it has a hate-filled, rotten attitude to all non-Muslims. We have to keep islam out. It always aims to drag us all back to the primitive, barbaric way of life ( they want to create the Islamic “shitholes”, as you call them Halal Bacon, here in our countries) that civilised people left behind ages ago. Islam certainly has nothing positive to offer our societies.
gravenimage says
Good exchange–spot on.
Demsci says
Good point, HB. In general one would hope that the systems, mentality, methods of the best functioning societies spread. INTO and at the cost of the lesser functioning societies.
But by their nature it is the worst functioning societies that spawn the most refugees. And the most citizens who see better futures in better societies of course. So that causes the influence of the worst societies to grow. And so the influence of the worst religion, Islam.
Or, maybe, it would be different if anywhere on earth the birthrates would be roughly the same
AND if the percentage of people that live under good, functioning, “systems, values etc” increases at the cost of the percentage of people that live in the worst societies, under the worst systems and values etc. BUT …. it is often just in THESE societies that birth rate is highest.
So, if eventually good functioning “systems, governments” Do improve mankind, slowly but surely, then we must hope that In the worst functioning societies birthrate and population decrease. Maybe because of urbanization, in that in the future 75 % of humans will live in cities.
I see the full Democratic system as the antidote, competitor of Islam. And Islam as the enemy of full Democratic system.
prebangian says
The Islamic “autonomous region” Minnesota……
Michael says
“Over 20 years ago, the state of Minnesota welcomed my family with open arms. I never would’ve had the opportunities that led me to Congress had I been rejected,” Omar wrote.
Precisely the reason that Beltrami County voted the way it did…hopefully MANY more counties will follow suit.
rubiconcrest says
It is precisely because she is corrupt and a mouthpiece for the Muslim Brotherhood that intelligent Minnesotans are deciding enough is enough. The folks are wising up.
Wanda says
It’s about time! Time to ship them back where they came from! They DO NOT want to be Americans, they want to take over America!
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed! They ALL need to go.
GreekEmpress says
Being accepted as a refugee is a privilege—not a right.
I lived in Minnesota for several years. It is a lot like other states—
big cities are “liberal” and less populated areas more conservative.
Beltrami County is home to the Red Lake and Leech Lake reservations.
It would be interesting to know if the Ojibway who live there we’re actively involved in the decision and what they think.
Carolyne says
I have read that the people she came with weren’t even relatives, but were paid to include her in their family group. Then she married her brother in order to get him citizenship. Funny how all of that vanished into thin air recently.
Allan says
Future refugees can find opportunity in other countries, preferably Islamic! If they come from Islamic countries. And Omar spits on the country that gave her the opportunity.
andra says
I have never understood why the UNO do not demand from Arabia, Quatar etc. to take in Muslim “refugees”. If it REALLY were the UNITED NATIONS of the world, they would not work on destroying the Christian part of the world. But they only are the United Nations of Islam.
Infidel says
Problem is that the structure of the UN is such that countries can group together to form their own blocs, and vote accordingly. This was plain during the Cold War, when you had the Western bloc as well as the Soviet bloc.
Ever since the Cold War ended, the Western bloc has somewhat loosened up, despite NATO, but there’s now a 50-country bloc of Muslim countries, which also have a subset group called the OIC, that’s pretty much run by Saudi Arabia. They are pretty happy to have their people spread into non-Muslim countries w/ a long term goal of de-facto islamizing them. While there are no formal movements trying to do the latter, simply pulling off demographic coups would be enough to bring them to power, like they did in Malaysia last century. This is even easier in countries that have a very small population, and whose people don’t wanna breed b’cos… climate-change. In the meantime, Muslims don’t give a rat’s rear end about climate change – it’s all the will of allah! So they move into these countries like Sweden, Norway, et al and just take over, b’cos the people of those countries are worse than sheep.
But yeah, logically, there is no reason Syrian refugees, for instance, couldn’t flee to Saudi Arabia, Qatar or Kuwait. Or why Libyan refugees couldn’t flee to Algeria, which is a larger country than Libya, is as oil rich and can hold them.
No Muzzies Here says
Finally, the people get a respite from what has happened in other parts of Minnesota. They have a right to live in peace, without being raped or killed.
Ashley says
Anything that gets Ms. Omar enraged makes me giggle like a young schoolgirl.
Then I laugh like a hyenia.
Quazgaa says
Rotflmfao, you’re too much!!
gravenimage says
🙂
Michael Copeland says
“Ned Ryun reported that the US State Department is paying refugee contractors over $2100 per refugee, of which they get to keep 45% of the money, which has nothing to do with charity or religious values.
“This is how red states become blue and how America ceases to be America.””
https://needtoknow.news/2020/01/18-republican-governors-ask-for-more-refugees-in-their-states-while-charities-are-cashing-in-and-grifting-off-of-american-taxpayers/
Huh!?! says
Welcome to the USA Omar. People still have rights here to vote as they see fit. Bravo Minnesota!!! Time to start sending them back. Written comments have been made that these “refugees” are not interested in becoming part of The Melting Pot. They are coming to destroy what has made USA the USA.
Next step is to vote Omar out of office. Then next step would be deportation. Actually deportation should have happened by now.
Battle says
Mogadishu Never Forget
gravenimage says
+1
James says
Ilhan is the reason among others why the county does not want any more of her type coming in. This county is woke, they others may have to wake up. It is just infuriating how she talks about America, Israel, Jews, Trump, everything. Who wants people to come and set up a parallel anti-American ghetto and try to take on the government and culture of America because they are better, coming from a country where they practice some sort of ideology that went out of style in the West years or decades or centuries ago. I hope she is not reelected to congress with her hijab and mean-spirited attitude.
Chrissie says
Do I have the right to choose with whom I want to live…? In Germany, I don’t. I don’t even have the right that immigration laws be applied properly. Altogether I am living in a lawless land, or word. In a lawless land for migrants. But on Germany the same laws are applied meticulously. Be glad you live in your country and you have Trump. I wish we had someone like that.
I mean: Who wants somalis next door? By god, or any muzzie.
Ginny says
There’s hope: AfD. But it is way too late. There will be only one solution in Europe and that is out and out slaughter, which we will lose for lack of force and lack of will. I’m making my last grand tour over here and then it’s “last one out, turn off the lights.”
Jeff Gonez says
Ginny: I wouldn’t set foot in Europe now!
gravenimage says
Both this “solution” and the pronouncement of Islamic conquest as a foregone conclusion are quite false. Preach surrender elsewhere.
Spiro says
That’s not surrender
It’s an observation of
The lack of resistance
Unless things change in Europe what do you think will happen
Current affairs don’t look so good
gravenimage says
Spiro, I know you have before defended saying it is too late and we should all just give up. With all respect, this sounds like surrender to me.
andra says
In Germany there are still to many People who do not think and care. If the Germans would have opened their eyes the AfD would have 51% in the last votes. Instead they vote for the Greenies in the West and the SED – today DIE LINKE – in the East, which both openly despise Germany and the Germans and want to resettle as many Muslims to Germany as possible if not even more.
I really wonder what kind of drug most Germans take to be so indifferent About their future and the future of their Children.
Congratiulations to the Minnesotians who take the first chance to get back their way of living.
yiyoya says
“So apparently Minnesotans aren’t allowed to try to provide a better life for themselves and their children. They must instead be wholly concerned with providing Muslim migrants a better life.”
This is true, Minnesotans should not be allowed to provide a better life for themselves and their children while others are in need. That would be SELFISH, and everybody knows SELFISHNESS is evil. Everyone knows that ALTRUISM, being your brother’s keeper, is the moral ideal, the highest good, the highest virtue, and the highest value. If Jesus Christ is the perfect man, God on earth, the Ideal on earth, the Holiest of Holies on earth, and he died on the cross for worthless sinners, then a truly moral Minnesotan, and a truly moral American, should follow his example and sacrifice and die if need be for worthless Muslims. Who doesn’t want to be moral? Following the example of Christ only an immoral person would choose self-preservation over self-sacrifice. Now go be a good Minnesotan, be a good American, and sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice, even if it means your death, the death of your loved ones, and the death of your country!
“Altruists are concerned only with those who suffer—not with those who provide relief from suffering, not even enough to care whether they are able to survive. When no actual suffering can be found, the altruists are compelled to invent or manufacture it….America’s inner contradiction was the altruist-collectivist ethics. Altruism is incompatible with freedom, with capitalism and with individual rights. One cannot combine the pursuit of happiness with the moral status of a sacrificial animal.” – Ayn Rand
“Some unphilosophical, eclectic altruists, invoking such concepts as “inalienable rights,” “personal freedom,” “private choice,” have claimed that service to others, though morally obligatory, should not be compulsory. The committed, philosophical altruists, however, are consistent: recognizing that such concepts represent an individualist approach to ethics and that this is incompatible with the altruist morality, they declare that there is nothing wrong with compulsion in a good cause—that the use of force to counteract selfishness is ethically justified—and more: that it is ethically mandatory.
Every man, they argue, is morally the property of others—of those others it is his lifelong duty to serve; as such, he has no moral right to invest the major part of his time and energy in his own private concerns. If he attempts it, if he refuses voluntarily to make the requisite sacrifices, he is by that fact harming others, i.e., depriving them of what is morally theirs—he is violating men’s rights, i.e., the right of others to his service—he is a moral delinquent, and it is an assertion of morality if others forcibly intervene to extract from him the fulfillment of his altruist obligations, on which he is attempting to default. Justice, they conclude, “social justice,” demands the initiation of force against the non-sacrificial individual; it demands that others put a stop to his evil. Thus has moral fervor been joined to the rule of physical force, raising it from a criminal tactic to a governing principle of human relationships.” – Leonard Peikoff
CogitoErgoSum says
Christ said, “Take up your cross and follow me.” He was talking to everybody and that includes Muslims too. So they are called to bear their share of the burden also — but they are off in the corner listening to some guy named Muhammad who is telling them to make sure they have plenty of nails and a hammer to hang people from those crosses. Which guy is the evil one — Jesus or Muhammad?
yiyoya says
“Which guy is the evil one — Jesus or Muhammad?”
You don’t realize how profound your question is, or how the choice is no real choice, but a choice without a real distinction, or outcome. A choice between being moral by being a predator, or being moral by becoming the food of the the predator.
What if, WHAT IF, both Jesus Christ AND Muhammad, are ultimately, equally, and morally both OBJECTIVELY evil? Evil by the rational and objective requirements of mankind’s survival and prosperity in this life, this life on earth? What if, both Jesus Christ and Muhammad, are both equally inimical to peace and prosperity on earth? What if, Jesus Christ and Muhammad, are the opposite faces, of the same IMMORALITY? Muhammad the advocate of predatory immorality (the predator as the moral ideal), and Jesus Christ the advocate of self-immolation (morality defined as self-sacrifice for the predator). The two sides of ALTRUISM, the two faces of SACRIFICE – “It stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there’s service, there’s someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master.” – Ayn Rand.
It stands to reason that the victim and advocate of sacrifice, who speaks to you from the other face of the “morality” of Altruism (Jesus Christ) as the moral ideal, intends for you to be the victim, urges you to be the food to the predator. There are two sides, two faces, of the “morality” of Sacrifice, the Sacrificial Animal, and the Collector of the Sacrifice.
What if, WHAT IF, true morality, the true example of morality, is not Jesus Christ nor Muhammad, but John Galt, Hank Rearden, Francisco D’Anconia, Dagny Taggart, and Howard Roark? What if true and rational morality does not require sacrificial victims and predatory vampires feeding on the death of the victims? Ah!, What then?!
gravenimage says
It is true that Ayn Rand had issues with religion in general, yiyoya–but the idea that she saw no moral distinction between a vicious warlord and a peaceful figure is not borne out in her work at all.
CogitoErgoSum says
I’m afraid I have not read anything by Ayn Rand so I can’t comment on those characters you list from her novels. Maybe I will get around to reading her books one of these days but I really have no interest in doing so at the moment. But to continue with the “what ifs” you pose, what if I pick up my cross and follow Jesus to the top of the hill and there is nobody there but a bunch of people with crosses and nobody with a hammer or any nails? This is what Jesus is really proposing should happen. Muhammad is proposing that I should grab a hammer and some nails and be waiting for those people carrying a cross.
Jesus is saying He’s the only one who needs to be sacrificed if everyone is willing to accept that proposition but Muhammad is saying, no, we like pounding nails into people and watching them die. The blood of one man is not enough. Now, in my book the evil guy is Muhammad even though his followers have the easier job overall.
As for the carrying of crosses I do agree it would be a shame for them to go to waste after all that work of getting them to the top of hill but, along with the hammers and nails, perhaps they could be used to build some nice houses for those who do not have one.
Ole Pederson says
There is one factoid of thruth in that:
Neither Mohammed nor Jesus existed as real, historic persons. Moreover, they are one and the same person.
Their existence is only based on the scriptural texts, not historic evidence, and while most of the texts about Jesus were altered to just some degree, the pre-Nicean Christian community of the 6th century refused the Catholic Church’s doctrine of Trinity of the council of Nicea and wrote their own texts to maintain their faith. These texts later became known as the Q’uran.
In the aftermath of the theological struggles of the 6th to 7th century their scriptural texts were altered much more, in particular by the translators from Aramaic Syrian to Arabic, and the warlord Muhammad emerged.
Before that time, “Muhammad” was not a name but a title or designation in Arabic meaning “The anointed” i.e. the Messiah, in other word the same as the Greek word “Chrestos”.
These are research results from the Inarah Institute (Research of early Islam) of the University of Saarland, Germany. An overview is given in the book “Good bye, Mohammed” (available in German).
CogitoErgoSum says
Ole, if Muhammad were one and the same person, why do they have such strikingly different personalities? Also, for a fictional person we seem to know quite a lot about Muhammad, even things that are not very flattering to him, sometimes even embarrassing, like certain quirks of his regarding eating or going to the bathroom or having sex. No, I do not believe that Jesus and Muhammad were imaginary people but yet the same person. I find it easier to believe there is life after death than I do that.
gravenimage says
Even if Muhammed and Jesus were both fictional figures, the idea that they are one and the same is ludicrous.
Are Harry Potter and Voldemort one and the same because they are fictional? How about Frodo Baggins and Sauron? Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader? MacBeth and McDuff?
The idea that it makes no moral difference who one uses as a model is grotesque.
Thomas Richard says
If Tootsie Puss wants Somalis’ to ‘have a better life’……..why doesn’t she export her vast knowledge, wisdom and experience back to Somalia and turn her shithole country into an Arabian America? Then, her countrymen won’t have to move!
Huh!?! says
Agreed.
pete says
America is finished
Buzzinoffski says
More obvious everyday, in-spite of our lack of ” real ” info from our ” media ” ?
gravenimage says
Why would pete say that Americans keeping Muslim “refugees” out means that America is finished?
He has either misread this story, or else is making a *very* strange assertion here.
gravenimage says
Ilhan Omar enraged as Minnesota county bans refugee resettlement\
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Of course she’s enraged–she believes that Muslims should be able to take over all of the US, Minnesota especially.
Good for Beltrami County for saying no!
Scott Carlson says
Bingo.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Scott.
E T says
The good people of Beltrami County have read the “resist” signs and are now doing what the left have told them to do. YEAH
Infidel says
Prime reason for her outrage – her potential voters are being stopped from entering the county. The more counties and states that adapt this ban on refugee resettlement, the lower the probability of Dems like her getting elected. Reason Dems support is is that they have so pissed off citizens w/ their woke policies that their only hopes are importing a completely new class of voters who can outnumber and outvote existing ones.
Also, if Beltrami county resists(good catch, E T), what stops these Somalis from going to the Twin Cities or other counties in MN?
Scott Carlson says
I don’t care what they say. Good people with good intentions don’t force by intimidation and have you pay for others that want to live off your tax dollars and raise your crime rates.
gravenimage says
+1
Giacomo Latta says
”What Beltrami County is doing is denying refugees a chance at a better life.”
What Beltrami County is saying is ”go mooch elsewhere” to refugees and ”feel free to live your normal lifespan” to its own citizens.
Robert_k says
Over 20 years ago, the state of Minnesota welcomed my family with open arms. I never would’ve had the opportunities that led me to Congress had I been rejected,” Omar wrote. “What Beltrami County is doing is denying refugees a chance at a better life.”
Ilhan Omar that is precisely why Trump’s Presidential order is so right.
E T says
Well I, will not refer to the Muslim Brotherhood hoods as barbarians since our Canadian Prime Idiot Minister, Justine, says we are not allowed to say that word.
I would like to take the opportunity to remind CAIR / the Muslim Brotherhood hoods and POLITICIANS, that Title 18, US Federal code, section 2381:
Whoever, owing Allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving aid and comfort WITHIN the United States or ELSEWHERE, is guilty of TREASON and shall SUFFER DEATH, or shall be imprisoned not less than 5 years and fined under this title but not less than 10,000 dollars and shall be INCAPABLE OF HOLDING ANY OFFICE UNDER THE UNITED STATES.
Was al-Banna, operating on all cylinders when he introduced the philosophy, “The Art of Death”, reminding members of the Muslim Brotherhood, “He who dies and has not fought and was not resolved to FIGHT, has died a Jahiliyyah (NON-Muslim, or ignorant) death.”
Note to President Donald Trump, Please identify the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist Organization and consider ridding the USA of all members, then someone in Canada may find the intestinal fortitude to follow.
OLD GUY says
All she needs to do is look at herself to understand why real Americans no longer want refuges. We do not need or want Islam and Muslims who support Sharia and terrorist in OUR country. If you come here and can not support the Constitution of the Untied States then stay home.
ET says
According to Sheik Houssien Muhammad America of MONTREAL, beating women makes them smarter!
“Beating in Islam is a type of education. The beating is used after exhausting all effective and successful (possible) solutions and (it turned out that) there is no treatment without it….This is the case regarding the wife if you are right…..if the estrangement fails the beating (of the wife) is permitted.”
Dr, Jamal Badawi, a long time member of The National Council of Canadian Muslims / CAIR Canada board member, a co-founder of the Muslim American Society and a well-known North American Muslim Brotherhood figure, has written extensively on many Islamic issues
“Men are in charge of women by (right of) what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend (for maintenance) from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. But those (wives) from whom you fear arrogance—(first) advise them; (then if they persist), forsake them in bed; and (finally), strike them. —-but never on the face—- But if they obey you (once more), seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.”
Three points here:
1. Justine Trudeau, the feckless Prime Mister Of Canada insists “Islam is NOT incompatible with Western secular democracy.
2. Left loons in MONTREAL are showing citizens how far out of touch with reality they are, by announcing they will spend 1 million dollars for de-radicalization.
3. Ilhan Omar may be a wife who has showed arrogance, (oh surprise, surprise) too often and has had a few blows to the head, thus her mental state, and she may have been dropped on her head a few times in her youth.
Islam is a man’s religion/cult. In Rotherham, England, 1400 girls aged 11 to 14 were groomed, raped and forced into sexual slavery. the victims were primarily white girls and the rapists and pimps were primarily Pakistani, Muslim men. after the Jay report came out showing how this had happened, the victimhood and Islamophobia narrative kicked in again. The “Muslim Community of Rotherham “ called for a boycott of any cooperation with the police, trying to blame the police for what happened. they claim that Islamophobia is rampant in the town. What a fine example of re-settlement, perhaps some politicians should be hung.
abad says
Good for Minnesota.
Now all they have to do is deport all of their Somali Moslems including Omar back to Mogadishu and they’re all set.
jca reid says
Why not pack them off to Uzbekistan & any of the other “~STANS”? Even Saudi Arabia! Plenty of space out there! They’ll be amongst their “own kind” etc. Of course, I forgot…….. no Welfare, allowed to whinge until they get more Welfare etc. Not allowed to murder & rape their “own kind”, but there are ways around that. Pak them ALL off & their Apologists & let them build their Muslim Heaven on Earth there! We’ll be all eternally grateful.
E T says
line from old song. “He took her to the pig farm, told her to wait down by the rail, when he returned he could not finder, the farmer had put her up for sale. Oh, what a face!”
Geof Barrington says
Why are any muslums being allowed into the country at all ?