“Iranian Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani on Wed., in a letter sent to the Parliament speakers of the Islamic states, urged Islamic countries to counter US-proposed so-called ‘Deal of Century.'”
Those who hate Israel and wish to destroy it constantly couch their hatred in Islamic terms. Yet this is the one aspect of the conflict that mainstream Western analysts are determined to ignore. Yet Islam is why all the previous peace plans have failed, and why this one will fail. Get the details in The Palestinian Delusion: The Catastrophic History of the Middle East Peace Process.
“Iran’s Parl. speaker calls on counterparts in Islamic states to counter US imposed peace plan,” Tehran Times, January 29, 2020:
TEHRAN – Iranian Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani on Wed., in a letter sent to the Parliament speakers of the Islamic states, urged Islamic countries to counter US-proposed so-called “Deal of Century”.
While expressing disgust on US President’s move in unveiling the imposed and so-called peace plan of “Deal of the century”, Larijani called on counterparts in the Islamic states to counter Trump administration’s plan for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, which Palestinians have already dismissed.
He also urged Parliament speakers in Islamic countries to support referendum and use of parliamentary diplomacy as the sole way of resolving crisis in Palestine.
A part of text of the letter is as follows: “I would like to express my extreme abhorrence and condemnation from the US President Trump’s move in unveiling the so-called peace plan of “Deal of Century” which was announced in Washington on Jan. 28, 2020 in the presence of representatives of the Zionist regime. The plan contravenes all international resolutions, agreements and laws of UN Charter, Arab League and Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) with regards to resolving Palestinian case.”
James Lincoln says
Iranian Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani wants to kill the “Deal of the Century” even before he has had adequate time to analyze and discuss it with various stakeholders.
He needs to read Pres. Trump’s book the “Art of the Deal” – but he never will.
toomanyhobbies says
so Iran does not want peace, even though they are being offered what they want….
Bazz12 says
No they do not want a deal that leaves Jews alive in the Middle East. Abbas cannot accept the plan or he is a dead man. It has been obvious for a long time that there is no solution. Perhaps now the supporters of the Palestinians will understand that
there is no “Final Solution”.
gravenimage says
More proof that Muslims hate peace.
mortimer says
Yes, Al Walaa wal Baraa … canonical Islam.
gravenimage says
Spot on., Mortimer.
CogitoErgoSum says
Why is Quran 9:29 being ignored by the entire world? It seems pretty important to me whenever it comes to any peace treaty between Infidels and Muslims. Allah says there can never be any peace with the Peoples of the Book without payment of the Jizya. What am I missing here?
gravenimage says
Few Infidels have read the Qur’an even now–and some who have read it appear incapable of understanding the clear threat.
mortimer says
Agree with GI … they read but it’s just eyeball-jogging without OBSERVATION of the implications of 164 jihad verses.
gravenimage says
It takes some deep denial to miss all of this–but I’ve seen it in some cases, even among supposedly well-educated people.
CogitoErgoSum says
Well, the Jews can give up all the land they want but they are never, NEVER going to have peace with the Muslims until they address the Jizya requirement. Even then they will have to submit to terms that will be humiliating to them. Constant war with Muslims or living in humiliation with Muslims are the only two choices they have – unless Islam somehow disappears from the face of the Earth.
CogitoErgoSum says
This question of the Jiizya fascinates me. Clearly Koran 9.29 tells Muslims to fight Christians and Jews until they are humbled into paying the Jizya in order to keep their religion. That is it. No further details.
So what if Jews and Christians get tired of the constant warfare and want peace even though they still have a fighting position that is superior to that of the Muslims? Koran 9:29 does not say the People of the Book have to be totally defeated – just that they agree to pay the Jizya in a humble manner.
There are at least two big problems I see with that in today’s world:
1. To whom do the Jews and Christians pay the Jizya even if they want to pay it?
2. Would paying it to Sunni Muslims satisfy the Shia (or any other) Muslims?
These are problems the Muslims have to solve. Their god has given them a rule to obey and they are ignoring it, acting as if it does not even exist. Now, I see that female floggers in Indonesia are being advised to show no mercy to those who disobey Allah. This Jizya request seems like a rule of Allah’s that should be obeyed. What if the Infidels want to obey Allah and the Muslims won’t let them? Oh yeah, Allah should show mercy to the Infidels and damn the Muslims to Hell.
It’s unbelievable to me how stupid Islam is and even more unbelievable how many people are dumb enough to say that they follow it (but then really don’t).
gravenimage says
With the greatest respect, CogitoErgoSum, I care little for the “nicities” of dhimmitude. It seems that whatever Muslims are able to seize power impose Jizya–and this may not be accepted by all ravening Muslims.
Best way to deal with this barbarism is to make sure we do not allow Muslims to conquer us.
CogitoErgoSum says
Graven, I’m just saying if you deal from a position of power you can get a better deal. The dhimmis of the past became that way because they were totally defeated. They had to accept whatever terms the Muslims imposed upon them. I know it’s ridiculous to become a dhimmi willingly but what if some Christians from one country offered to pay the Jizya for Christians living in another country ruled by Muslims? What if the Christians were able to negotiate terms of the dhimmi contract that were pretty good for the dhimmis? The way I read the Koran Allah says he’s okay with things as long as the dhimmis pay the Jizya and obey the terms of the contract. Does the humble submission part have to be completely humiliating or just a bow of the head? Who knows? The way things are now there is not even the possibility to find out.
If Allah says there should be a Jizya why do Muslims get to ignore it? What verse in the Koran abrogates it or what historical event ended its requirement? How can Isa abolish it when he returns if it has already been abolished? What historical figure already did that?
But as I said, it’s all ridiculous because Islam is so ridiculous.
gravenimage says
CogitoErgoSum–again, with respect–I don’t think that Christians or any other Infidels can get a dhimmi contract that is “pretty good”, since the whole point is that infidels under Islam are supposed to be uncomfortable and frightened.
Here is the original Pact of Umar:
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/jewish/jews-umar.asp
Hard to spin this as something nice.
Now, of course, the severity of dhimmitude has varied somewhat, depending on the ruler and the mood of the Muslim mob–but that doesn’t mean it has *ever* been a good thing.
And I think one of the worst things we could do is agree with Muslims that they have the right to murder Christians and other Infidels if they don’t cough up enough cash. Agreeing to this savagery is *not* operating from a position of strength–instead it is allowing ourselves to be held hostage.
What happens the next time they decide that the Jizya has to be doubled–do rich Infidel nations have to agree? They must, because after all they agreed that Muslims have the right to butcher Infidels unless they pony up enough cash.
And Muslims dating back to the “Prophet” are infamous for breaking treaties–just look at the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah.
CogitoErgoSum says
Well, in my scenario there would always be the option of not agreeing to a contract with unacceptable terms since it would be done from a position of strength. You seem to be thinking in terms of the Muslims being in the positon of strength and holding all the cards. I don’t see why that is always necessary. Why couldn’t the tables be turned on the Muslims? But of course, it’s all theoretical and such a situation will probably never arise anyway. Muhammad established a tradition that contracts between Infidels and Muslims usually don’t last more than ten years anyway. It’s just something to think about. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.
gravenimage says
CogitoErgoSum, why would dhimmis agree to pay Jizya anywhere where Muslims are *not* in power?
I still hold that if you agree that Muslims have the right to slaughter people who do not pay them not to that you are agreeing that the horrors of Islam are valid–and I’m afraid I cannot consider that to be a good thing.
sidney penny says
“Yet Islam is why all the previous peace plans have failed, and why this one will fail. ”
Why does every Administration spend so much time and money ( and also taxpayers money to give away as part of the plan) on a “peace plan” that will fail.