The PA’s recognition of Israel is a sham anyway, a semantic trick. The PA has never recognized Israel as a Jewish state. “We will never recognize the Jewishness of the state of Israel,” said Mahmoud Abbas in 2014. The PA recognizes Israel as having a right to exist as yet another Muslim Arab state, once its Jewish population is murdered, subjugated, and/or expelled. That’s all.
“Islamic Jihad official: PA should retract recognition of Israel,” by Elior Levy, Ynet News, January 28, 2020:
Palestinian Islamic Jihad senior in the Gaza Strip Khader Habib said on Tuesday that the Palestinian Authority should retract its recognition of Israel following the presentation of U.S. President Donald Trump’s proposed peace plan for the Middle East.
“This is a chance to retract the recognition of Israel,” Habib said. “Trump’s plan is a chance to restore unity within the Palestinian people.”
Quazgaa says
Israel should promote this one just like Trump promoted Soleimani..
Battle says
I stand by my quote “from those among” does not mean all.
Battle says
Was supposed to be a new reply
Battle says
I stand by my quote “those from among” does not mean all.
CogitoErgoSum says
Does the Quran tell Muslims to live in peace with Jews? Well, only if the Jews humbly submit the Jizya to their Muslim masters. Until that day Muslims are to fight against the Jews. Can anyone explain to me how I am not correctly understanding verse 9:29 of the Quran?
Battle says
Pope Francis may claim Khader Habib, Palestinian Islamic Jahid Gaza is not properly reading the Koran.
Is Pope Francis on his way to Gaza to explain to Habib?
gravenimage says
Islamic Jihad top dog says PA should withdraw its recognition of Israel over Trump peace plan
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Since the Palestinian Authority has the destruction of Israel in its charter, the idea that they recognize Israel in any meaningful way is ridiculous.
Battle says
Verse 9:29 says”those from among” Clearly this does not mean all. When the hateful read the verse “those from among” the meaning is changed to mean only “those.” Satisfies the lust for hate?
Islam leadership does this repeatedly.
When an ayatolla or imam explains this to adult males with a fifty-five percent literacy rate incitement is easy?
CogitoErgoSum says
Not all have to pay the Jizya? Are some male Jews exempt – or could that mean that just women (who are designated People of the Book) are exempt from paying the Jizya? If so, what is there to guarantee the protection of an unmarried Jewish (or Christian) woman who refuses to become a Muslim? What about those (both male and female) who are NOT designated People of the Book who refuse to submit to Islam? What protections do they have? Are they executed?
In addition, does the Jizya have to be paid individually or can it be paid by the entire congregation of a synagogue, church or temple? How would Muslims know who has paid the Jizya and who has not? Aren’t these questions that have to be worked out in the signing of a contract between those paying the Jizya and those collecting it? The way I read the Koran, Allah says no contract or treaty is valid between Muslims and Infidels if the Jizya is not included, along with the terms that go with it — but maybe I’m wrong. I’m open to learning more on the subject.
gravenimage says
Here’s Qur’an 9:29:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
Sounds pretty universal to me.
libertyORdeath says
“We are one fire…”
God I wish that was true
Battle says
Also one Pakistan says Christians and Jews are believers too.
WPM says
Who in power or position in Pakistan says “Christians and Jews are believers” that they have the same rights as Moslems in Pakistan? If someone in position(a Moslem) or power says that like the lawyer for that Christian woman charge with breaking Pakistan,s blasphemy laws(Bibi) he was murdered for defending her in court. If you went to a public square and starting taking about Jesus the mobs would form and you would be torn to pieces in minutes .
Battle says
I stand by my quote “those from among” does not mean all. The imams say “Those from among” means all.
Battle says
I stand by my quote “those from among” does not mean “all.”
CogitoErgoSum says
What good does it do to say that if you can’t say who is excluded? Seems pointless to me.
gravenimage says
Battle, I have not seen any cases where Jizya was imposed that specifically exempts some of the victims, nor does this appear to be backed by Islamic texts, as I noted above. Typically, those Christians too impoverished to pay have had to have their share of the Jizya paid by other members of the Infidel community. Jizya has always been imposed on the community as a whole, and the whole community falls victim to Muslim violence it they fall short.
But let’s say you are correct–are we supposed to be glad to have Muslims take over because they *might* decide to impose Jizya on just some of us? This still sounds hideous to me even if I knew I would somehow be personally exempt.
James Howard says
These PLO are wild beasts of Satanic spirit. Any westerner who caters to th ed m, like Obama & his leftist elitest crowd did & still does is nothing to them but a dhimmi dupe to help them gain welfare other handouts or to help them subvert whatever state the the duoe belong to. It is a psychopath-victum relationship. The victim thinks they can help or save the PSYCHOPATH but it cannot be done so the victim is simply the prey of the Islamic PSYCHOPATH.
Nelson. M says
They have never accepted any plan anyway, and that show exact that they do not want any plan but what is currently (NO PLAN), because it is helping them to beg for funds and continue with Hamas terrorism. Therefore, Abbas can continue his lifestyle and Hamas continue with their lifestyles. Any normal situation is uncomfortable for these two groups. They thrives on Disruption and instability of Israel which is the ONLY PLAN THEY HAVE IN MINDS, anything contrary to that will expose their laziness and lies, playing victim. Any rational plan will expose them, so that is why they will never agree to even the BEST PLAN EVER.
Battle says
I stand by my quote Koran 9:29 “those from among” does not mean all.
Trick_or_Treat says
How much longer do any of you think Khader Habib’s ring is going to be pointing to the ground here? Are any of you betting people?
Battle says
If memory months back reported was a Pakistan maulana “Christian and Jews are believers too.”
I expected to see other reports of imams and muftis big uproar denouncing him.
Or reports saying he was murdered for the usual charges of blasphemy and hypocracy.
No such reports. No other reports to get his name from.
My estimate the evil mufti told him “Shut up or I sent one thousand jihadis.”
gravenimage says
Battle, even if there was one Muslim cleric in Pakistan who made such a statement, I doubt it will make any difference in the persecution of Christians there. As for Jews, at this point all but about 800 have been driven out or murdered there.