Misled?
How could they have been misled in this way? Could it have been from Islamic texts including these?
“And fight them until there is no fitnah and religion is all for Allah.” (Qur’an 8:39)
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, and do not forbidden what has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and do not acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).
A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war…When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them…. If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim 4294)
I wish Sultan Shahin all success in his efforts to disabuse young Muslims of the notion that they have to wage jihad in order to bring about Islamic domination of the world, but those efforts will not get far without a forthright acknowledgment of where this idea comes from.
“‘Counter jihadism with pluralism,'” by Tamanna Yasmin, Deccan Herald, December 28, 2019:
Many Muslims are misled into believing they must help Islam dominate the world, Sultan Shahin, editor of an online magazine on Islam, said earlier this week….
Trick_or_Treat says
Yes, “many”.
(understatement)
barbaracvm1 says
The Muslim says that Jesus is not god. He is consider the holyst of holy men. If that is true then why do they not follow the teachings of Christ. Why follow Mohammed who is not as holy..
Could it be the Imam are cult leaders and use the Koran as the means to confuse.
CogitoErgoSum says
So he is saying the Koran is misleading people? Okay.
Michael Copeland says
WARPED, TWISTED AND PERVERTED
What’s it like? Well, how it’s taught.
We aren’t allowed to go inside to see.
They’ve frequently asserted
It’s “warped, twisted and perverted”.
We really can’t exactly disagree.
mortimer says
Ironically, Sultan Shahin’s first name means ‘RULER’ … what is the definition of ‘Sultan’ and what exactly is he the ruler of?
Answer: the Sultan is the Head of the Islamic EMPIRE. The Sultan RULES OVER Muslims and dhimmi kafirs whom he has subjugated under discriminatory Sharia law.
Thus, the FIRST NAME of Sultan Shahin contradicts his argument and claim that Islam is not intrinsically SUPREMACIST. .
Save Europe says
That’s another problem with Islam.
Virtually anyone can proclaim themselves to be a Sultan, Mufti, Cleric, Sheikh, Imam etc, without any vetting.
Heck I had a kid in the year below me at school who claimed he was half Kuwaiti, half Jewish Israeli.
I noticed his surname and pulled him up in it – it transpired he was Albanian, in the end.
AP says
Never trust a muslim, They are taught to lie to the Kafirs.
WPM says
He reminds of many news articles and many leaders in countries outside of Germany in the early 1930s saying Nazism or Hitler were not as bad or were misread in their true meaning or direction they were leading the German people. How many world leaders keep their heads bury in the sand refusing to see the threat of Nazism in Germany put their our countries and people at risk. Could you be a good Nazi following the true teaching of Nazism and be a good human being ,the answer is no .Many just went along with Nazism when living under it out of fear or to advance their jobs, family ,or careers ,selling their souls and fellow people out. Islam is on the same level as Nazism total control of every part of life . You go along with the party and their policy or face death .
Michael Copeland says
MISUNDERSTANDING THE NAZIS
Once upon a time there were some people called Nazis.
They have been given a biased, hate-filled, and bigoted press.
A few became “radicalised”.
They misunderstood their peaceful ideology.
They pursued a warped and twisted extremist interpretation.
The whole community was blamed for the actions of the few.
WPM says
+1
elee says
Me too
gravenimage says
True, WPM.
FYI says
speaking of being mislead…do not be mislead by islam!
the Wise will stay away from islam
the Smart will be intelligent enough to abandon it
the foolish will be easily converted
the evil will be easily attracted to the freedom it gives them.
Remember if you convert…
islam has No Golden Rule,no “love thy neighbor”,the koran CURSES Jews and christians k9:30 and insists muslims should not be friends with Jews and christians k5:51
The dawa folk WILL be deceiving you:they WON’T tell you ..
1}islam has a death penalty for apostasy
“If somebody leaves his religion kill him”
{Sahih Bukhari vol 4 bk 52 no 260}
2}islam is misogynistic, antisemitic and antichristian,has no concept of ‘love thy neighbor’ etc
3}That when they say “lo!I am the slave of allah.he hath given me the scripture and appointed me a prophet” that this statement comes from Jesus:in fact it comes from a newborn INFANT in a Crib{see Koran 19 v 22-30}
So it is a lie to trick and fool christians.
They WON’T tell you muahmmed was a mass-murderer of Jews{Abu dawud 4390},the owner,buyer and seller of black african slaves{sahih muslim 3901} and even laugably FAILED the test of a prophet{You Tube acts17apologetics who killed muhammed?}
Or that al lah is “the BEST of deceivers” k3:54
The islamic apologists will be{desperately} fiddling the Arabic to hide the errors in the koran {which is WHY they always tend to avoid Arabic speaking ex-muslim Atheists or Christians}
So the wise thing to do is to Stay Away from this muhammedan cult that masquerades as a religion of “peace”.
Well done to any ex-muslims or former converts……..
Michael Copeland says
Khaled Sheikh Mohammed disagrees with Sultan Shahin:
Therefore killing you and fighting you,
destroying you and terrorizing you,
responding back to your attacks,
are all considered to be great
legitimate duty in our religion.” —
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his fellow 9/11 defendants
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/florida-professor-as-memories-of-colonialism-fade-the-idea-that-islam-is-linked-to-violence-will-fade-with-it
elee says
Special message for Khaled Sheikh Mohammed: Tough s**t, do the crime, do the time. Next time pick a different religion.
Jayell says
Why is it that we keep hearing about muslim ‘reformers’ when it’s apparently clearly understood by those with the expertise that islamic Holy Writ is the Word of Allah and not open to any revision or re-interpretation? And islamic Holy Writ clearly states that it’s islam’s mission to dominate the world. So what’s going to happen here? Are people in the West supposed to accept the new, reformed islam on the grounds that it’s going to be undemanding, considerate, progressive, civilised and democratic and will respect everyone’s intellectual and religious space so that it will take its ‘rightful’ place in western societies – then all the ‘respected’ imams and scholars will suddenly discover that this isn’t the ‘true islam’ after all, by which time they’ll all be well placed to persuade everyone on the planet to return to the ‘right path’ whether they like it or not. I hate to think what would happen to all those well-intentioned reformers.
mortimer says
ISLAM’S GOAL IS WORLD CONQUEST – by Ayatollah Khomeini
“We are AT WAR AGAINST INFIDELS. …. Holy War means the CONQUEST OF ALL NON-MUSLIM TERRITORIES… It will… be the DUTY OF EVERY ABLE-BODIED ADULT (MUSLIM) MALE to volunteer for this WAR OF CONQUEST, the FINAL AIM of which is to put Koranic law in power from one end of the earth to the other.’“
(Ayatollah Khomeini quotes from speech: “The U.S. is the devil on this planet.”)
Michael Copeland says
Caution Sultan Shahin:
Allah has spoken:
“This day I have perfected for you your religion…” – Koran 5:3
How can you “reform” something that Allah says is perfect?
Only by denying his word.
To deny his words makes you an apostate, eligible to be killed vigilante-style by anyone penalty-free.
James Lincoln says
Exactly, Michael Copeland.
“Good” Muslims do not see shades of gray – to them the Koran is perfect.
A “reformed” Koran is no longer a Koran.
Brother mark says
How is the Koran perfect a man written book that puts fear God up every non Muslim person how can that be perfect I am a peaceful Pentecostal priest my bible speaks of love and peace to all mankind my God the lord jesus christ condemns murder it is a sin to kill , I don’t wont to sond like I am disrespectful to your Koran but I do believe that jesus was one of your apostles and if that is right why duse your Koran speak about killing Christians when the good lord jesus christ was a Christian the same jesus christ that was of the Muslim messenger please can you explain this Gods blessings to you
mortimer says
What ‘brand’ of tobacco is Sultan Shahin smoking?
Sultan Shahin is obviously wrong about the political goal of the Koran and hadiths… that goal is political supremacism for Islam over other political systems.
The Koran most assuredly teaches Islamic SUPREMACISM over all other political systems (Arabic ‘dini’) and the hadiths do as well. Has Shahin bothered to read Islam’s foundational source texts? It appears he has not done his homework in the matter.
Koran 61:9:8 says:”to make it (Islam) prevail over all the religions” … Arabic: “liyu?’hirahu ?ala l-dini kullihi” (source: CorpusQuran.com)
– CorpusQuran.com translations of liyuz’hirahu’ = “SUPREME OVER, PREVAIL OVER, GAIN DOMINANCE OVER, VICTORIOUS OVER, CONQUEROR OF”- CorpusQuran.com word by word dictionary.
– Various Muslim Koranic translations have the key phrase (prevail over), as follows:
“To show that it is above all [other] religions” (Haleem); “[He] will make it dominate” (Khalifa); “to raise it above all faiths” (Ahmed Ali); “He may make it prevail over all religions” (Maududi); “To make it victorious” (team of translators of Ibn Kathir); “to make it dominate over all other religions” (Mufti Muhammad Madani); “to prevail over all other religions” (Zafrulla Khan); “that He make it prevail over all [false] religion” (Asad, who adds “false,” which is not in the original); “that He may make it conqueror” (Pickthall); “that He may make it overcome the religion, all of them” (Shakir)
Moreover, the hadiths also teach Islam’s political supremacism:
“It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.”(Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0030)
mortimer says
Taqiyya Alert !!!
How about the magic of ABROGATION? In Islam, a chronologically later verse in the Koran ‘abrogates’ and supersedes a prior verse … but if a Muslim wants to trick the dirty KAFIRS, he simply uses the EARLY Koranic verses WITHOUT EXPLANATION !!!
Pretty sneaky, Mr. Sultan Shahin.
Jay Lykins says
Islamic eschatology teaches that Muslims must take over the world in order to receive salvation. The Mahdi, the savior of Islam is to return by 2022 according to both, Shi’a and Sunni Islam. If Muslims have not taken over the world, al-Mahdi will not return. While this is taught in Islamic as part of Islamic end times, it is the radical jihadists who are acting on it.
keya says
Reformers are useless and delusional. Not a single word from Allah’s perfect koran can be changed. Mo made sure of that when he invented the Koran from his twisted mind.
gravenimage says
Muslim reformer: Many Muslims are misled into believing they must help Islam dominate the world
………………………
Gee, really? Not like this has anything to do with what Islam itself preaches…sarc/off
elee says
Quote misled unquote…….Im inspired to quote my favourite line from a 1960s alternative comix………HOSS TOIDS!!!
Jaladhi says
How can one ever reform a Muslim? If you reform a Muslim, he is not a Muslim any more! Muslim reformer is an oxymoron!
Jaladhi says
>”Many tend to give more importance to the Hadith—collection of sayings attributed to the Prophet, a majority of which were rejected by Imams as fake. A man called Shami used the Hadiths to propagate ISIS ideology in Bengaluru and had about 18,000 followers on Twitter. Elevating the status of Hadith to that of the Quran is problematic, Shahin explained.”<
Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/metrolife/metrolife-cityscape/counter-jihadism-with-pluralism-789473.html…
Wait till he gets a fatwa from the maulavis of Deobandi school – he will forget all his reformation of Islam in face of the death threats!
Thats how Islam survives!!
gravenimage says
Not only is Islam not “Qur’an only”, but the Qur’an itself is hideously violent.
tim gallagher says
My reaction to all of these “reformers” of Islam that we hear about is exactly what the commenters up above have pointed out. I thought it was basic to islam that it is the last, unchangeable revelation from what they think god is (which is so vile and evil that it must surely be Satan) and, therefore, this revolting ideology can’t be changed. The people who do try to change it will surely be killed by the “devout” Muslims. That is why I only have the time of day for people who pack up and leave islam because they realise how evil and barbaric it is, and also realise that it won’t ever change, so it is pointless staying in the disgusting ideology. I suspect that most of these “reformers” are bullshit artists anyway, who are trying to lull us into some false sense of security. I wouldn’t trust any of them.
Chand says
“Many Muslims are misled into believing they must help Islam dominate the world”.
So what else is new?
All nations, tribes, peoples, cultures, religions, cults want to ‘dominate’ the world. If they can, that is. Everyone feels they are absolutely right, that they are the Chosen Ones and the The Others are misguided and so on.
gravenimage says
More witless moral equivalence from Chand.
No, not everyone is slaughtering unbelievers who won’t submit.
jca reid says
Islam should be eradicated from the world. Its books should be left on shelves & people really ought to wonder, “Why are people that dingbat stupid/crazy to believe these rantings of a psycho, paedo Bandit?”