It has now been nearly a month since we learned that the FBI was hunting for Saudi military students who vanished from Pensacola after the jihad attack there. We have heard nothing since then about these students having been captured, and they have likely been spirited back to Saudi Arabia.
There are many precedents. In Oregon, Saudi students charged with serious criminal offenses have over the past few years repeatedly managed to escape American justice. Those charged have been provided, by their own government, with lawyers, and bail money, and in end, if necessary, they’ve also been whisked away to the Kingdom, to escape any further unpleasantnesses from the pesky Americans who appear, unacceptably, to believe that their system of criminal justice should apply even to the Saudis. The Saudis, of course, have no intention of respecting the legal system of the American infidels.
Here is that story. The first case of the Evading Saudi involved rape:
In December 2014, a university student from Saudi Arabia was arrested in Monmouth and accused of raping a classmate after giving her marijuana and shots of Jack Daniel’s.
Bail was set at a half-million dollars. The judge ordered the student, Abdulaziz Al Duways, to turn over his passport to the private defense lawyer hired to represent him, according to court records and the Polk County District Attorney’s Office.
A few days later, an official from the Royal Consulate General of Saudi Arabia in Los Angeles posted bail.
Al Duways disappeared.
What’s half a million dollars to the Saudis? If bail is to be set, then let it cause real financial pain to the deep-pocketed Saudi state. That means ten or twenty times as much — five million, ten million, whatever it takes. Better still, American judges, properly forewarned about Saudi practices, should refuse to let any Saudi defendant, in a serious criminal case, out on bail, as they have a record of managing to leave this country for the Kingdom, even without possessing a passport, no doubt because they are whisked away on a private Saudi jet.
The case preceded a similar one recently reported by The Oregonian/OregonLive involving Abdulrahman Sameer Noorah. The Portland Community College student jumped bail in the hit-and-run death of a 15-year-old Portland girl and apparently fled with the Saudi Arabian government’s help, law enforcement officials said.
But the two disappearances aren’t the only ones involving Saudi students facing serious criminal charges in Oregon.
The Oregonian/OregonLive has found criminal cases involving at least five Saudi nationals who vanished before they faced trial or completed their jail sentence in Oregon. They include two accused rapists, a pair of suspected hit-and-run drivers and one man with child porn on his computer.
The five cases share many similarities:
– All were young men studying at a public college or university in Oregon with assistance from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia at the time of their arrest.
– In four of the cases, the Saudi government stepped in to help, posting large sums of money for bail and possibly underwriting legal fees
– Three surrendered their passports.
– All disappeared while facing charges or jail time.
– The same Oregon defense attorney, Ginger Mooney, was hired to represent the four most recent suspects.
Little is known of the whereabouts of the five, though some have been traced back to Saudi Arabia. Most puzzling is how some of the students were able to leave the country and travel internationally after they had surrendered their passports.
“This is even more evidence that the Saudi government has acted to help its citizens escape justice for crimes committed in Oregon,” Sen. Ron Wyden told The Oregonian/OregonLive in response to learning about the new cases….
The modus operandi in all five cases in Oregon has not varied. The Saudi state hires the same lawyer (one Ginger Mooney), and supplies bail money for its accused nationals. So far it has twice posted the colossal sum of $500,000 to obtain their temporary freedom. Then the Saudis managed to spirit them out of the country which, since three of the five had surrendered their passports, undoubtedly meant that they had been smuggled out of the country on private Saudi-owned planes.
So far the Oregonian/OregonLive found criminal cases involving at least five Saudi nationals who vanished before they had faced trial or completed their jail sentence in Oregon. These defendants were charged with major crimes. Two were accused rapists, another two were suspected hit-and-run drivers, and one Saudi man had child pornography on his computer.
The KSA makes sure it protects its own from the workings of American justice, no matter what crimes they have been charged with. There is no other country that so consistently, and so brazenly, flouts our legal system, treating it with such contempt.
This story of KSA meddling and mendacity to make sure that justice cannot be done in America when those charged are Saudi nationals, who have repeatedly been able to avoid punishment, needs to be much more widely known. Let the public, not just in Oregon but all over America, learn about the Saudis who, charged with serious crimes against Americans, have been systematically helped by the KSA, that has paid lawyers, supplied bail money, and furnished even getaway planes, so that they might evade justice. No appeals to decency or fairness will mean a thing to the Saudis. But if they are threatened with overwhelmingly negative publicity by a group of outraged citizens determined to expose how the Saudis protect their own from our system of criminal justice, that could have a salutary effect on their behavior. The reaction to the Khashoggi killing, including the discussion in Congress of possible sanctions, has given the Saudis, including the Crown Prince, a keener sense of the need to avoid bad publicity. They can’t afford, post-Khashoggi, to spirit away to safety assorted Saudi rapists, hit-and-run drivers, and others of similar criminal ilk. Instead, they will have to be content to pay for the very best criminal defense lawyers that Saudi money can buy. That should be more than enough. And if that means that some Saudis will actually have to serve the same prison sentences, for the same crimes, as non-Saudi defendants do, that’s just too bad. It is long past time for the Saudis in the West to be put in their place. And where better to start than with ending the intolerably lax treatment of Saudi criminals on American shores?
WPM says
It would be simpler, cheaper , safer to the general public to just refuse Sandi student visas .The Sandi government has shown contempt for our laws when “their youths” get caught doing violent crimes against American citizens when they are “getting educated” going to American colleges. Maybe the keeping Sandi students(and money) out of college could stop their influence on our higher education process.
tamabo says
What is the true god of the US? Could it be the almighty dollar? Is Saudi money the temptation keeping leftist academics in the same trench as ardent capitalists in inviting thousands from a medieval culture and belief system to attend American schools?
In parallel, ask yourselves, why is the US is overrun with tens of millions illegals against the well of most Americans? And if the elites care about aliens flaunting American laws, rap!ng and murdering Americans, why both parties allowed or supported open borders? Why would the US Chamber of Commerce and the left want the US overrun? At the end the day, Jihad is an elite inflicted problem. The true enemy is inside the keep.
Dawne Swift says
The elite ignore the realities because the status quo means money in their pockets. It’s greed and avarice driving this.
gravenimage says
Most here still don’t understand the danger of Muslims.
don beecroft says
Why allow any of the bastards in. Fight fire with fire.
toomanyhobbies says
huge + 1
Hoppla says
WPM, all you have to do to is bomb Iran and the Saudi problem is solved.
gravenimage says
I see that that appalling Hoppla is sneering at the victims of Islam again.
keya says
The first absconding should have been a warning flag. Where were the judges thinking!
libertyORdeath says
That was my thoughts exactly. One time is an aberration, the second a mistake perhaps, the ones that followed can oy be chalked up to ignorance or collusion. And to see the same lawyer time after time should have made it even easier to avoid. I must say that I’m not all that surprised since I live in Oregon and know how the hippies do things up here.
Battle says
Hugh Fitzgerald gr hits nail on head. Good.
Battle says
(Typo) Hugh Fitzgerald hits nail on head. Good.
Also: Was supposed to be a new reply.
Michael Copeland says
Saudis know that their Sharia law is divinely sent, and far superior to man-made law. Islam says so.
In Colorado in 2006 a Saudi national was found guilty of keeping a woman as a slave housekeeper for four years while repeatedly raping her. He argued that the United States was attacking Islamic customs such as not paying your slave and controlling her life: “We are Muslim”, he complained, “We are different. The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors.”
The prison governor refused to allow parole, on the grounds that the prisoner had made no effort at change. He was later shot dead on his doorstep.
David says
The Muslim or the Governor?
CogitoErgoSum says
Their contempt for our laws, our women, our way of life, everything about us is made evident by the religion they follow. The Koran tells them not to take us for their friends or allies, that all non-Muslims are vile and filthy animals and that Muslims are supposed to be better than we are. Their god finds us offensive and so do they. Never would I take for my friend someone who has that sort of attitude toward me. I would avoid that person like the plague until he made it clear to me he no longer believed any of that to be true. They use us to get what they want and in return have only contempt for us. It’s despicable and we need to wise up.
Battle says
CogitoErgoSum: +100
Infidel says
Just add Saudi Arabia to the travel ban. Tell MbS that while we appreciate his reforms (emphasizing here that such a statement would only be for the consumption of MbS), the bulk of Saudi citizens are not like him, and therefore, we’re not allowing any Saudi citizens into the US.
After that, ask Riyadh to either extradite anybody wanted in the US for criminal offenses, failing which Saudi Arabia would be added to the list of terrorism sponsors
commonsense says
Hugh suggests that bail be set for Saudi nationals arrested here for criminal acts at drastically higher amounts than is presently the case. While this is entirely justified, I can foresee the objections raised by many left-wing pundits (and others, such, perhaps, as Rand Paul) who would claim that such a measure is discriminatory and violates the Constitutional proscription against cruel and unusual punishment. I would think that any bail amount less than $50 million would be like pocket change to the Saudi government anyway, and be denounced, to boot, by the aforementioned parties who will consider, or claim to believe, that this type of action is indeed unconstitutional.
Therefore, it would be best to deny bail altogether to Saudi offenders, keeping them jailed until their trials. But even this could trigger outcries from these same opponents, making the same argument about allegedly unconstitutional bias.
Either way – increasing bail, or denying it altogether – there will probably be an outcry from the usual fools and traitors. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib will likely be among the loudest and shrillest in that camp – bank on it. But they won’t be the only ones.
libertyORdeath says
If there is a reasonable suspicion that these non-citizens will not show up to court then I would argue that it is not “cruel and unusual” but rather a necessary stipulation to ensure justice is served. If so many of a particular group are able to constantly avoid responsibility for their crimes then the justice system is broken and must be fixed by all reasonable means.
commonsense says
libertyOR:
I completely agree with you. I’m merely saying that there will probably be those, such as Muslim Brotherhood front groups, the ACLU, et al., who will oppose such actions using dubious arguments about constitutionality.
James Lincoln says
commonsense says,
“…increasing bail, or denying it altogether – there will probably be an outcry from the usual fools and traitors. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib will likely be among the loudest and shrillest in that camp – bank on it. But they won’t be the only ones.”
Absolutely 100% true.
But any clear thinking person should not care…
gravenimage says
Saudis are always a flight risk.
WPM says
=1
The trouble is Sandi money has a lot of our elected leaders and “lobbies ” in their pocket. Sandi money as far my opinion goes is filthy blood money ,selling our children future out on the cheap.
Shirley Ann says
Does anyone remember that on 9/11/2001, Osama’s many Brats were attending Harvard & were whisked away to home in Saudi Arabia, IMMEDIATELY? I believe that we Americans were told that all Flights were Grounded. I just wonder about that Mystery, because the Apartment Building, where Osama’s Brats were ensconced, was reported EMPTY.
Battle says
Shirley Ann: “Osama’s Brats” +100
Phil Copson says
They’re following precedent – after 9/11, Bush got the bin Laden family out of America pdq….
kirk says
The Democrats have sided with the Islam cult, it’s only gonna get worse alot worse America
Piggy says
OK, scarey part in all of this is that I see if they can “spirit” away felons on a private Saudi plane, then what is to stop them “spiriting” jihadists INTO the country on these private Saudi planes?????
Hoppla says
That’s what they do, they stay with the Bushes any time they bring a new load.
rubiconcrest says
Issue no new student visas until those escaping justice are returned.
JK says
A naval officer I know in Pensacola told me that 3 of the Saudi terrorists are still on the loose after the terror attack here – AND NO ONE HAS TOLD THE PUBLIC. It’s a complete cover-up!
WyoLyo says
I agree with rubicon, no new visas until the accused are returned for trial. Otherwise keep this trash out of our country.
Neil Schmidt says
Why are we so hell-bent on letting these people into our country to go to OUR schools? Aren’t their schools good enough? And if they are not, let their countries improve them.
Rooster says
As I have said numerous times, the Saudi’s are the number one exporter of funding terrorism and will stab America in the back! They are not our allies! Our President on down to Congress love the money Saudi’s provide for their personal gain. In other words We the People have been sold out to be enslaved by Islam. The only way to hold a Muslim or anyone responsible for justice is an eye for an eye. It is written in their Koran and in the Old Testament(Torah came first). Old school justice is necessary in order for justice to be respected. The only hope for America is to get rid of all Muslims on our sovereign lands. Our politicians are spineless to sanction total Muslim deportation. They love money more than country.
Pray for peace but be prepared for war!
OLD GUY says
You have hit the nail on the head. Stop the muslim invasion of America.
Peter Laitres says
Ready this – sickening: https://www.mooneylaw.org/about
Transmaster says
This commonly happens in the LA area. These Saudi’s with there exotic cars street racing. The hit and run, crash into parked cars. etc If given a chance they will abandon their Lambo’s, and Ferrari’s on the street and disappear never to be seen again. The locals know this so these Saudi “prince’s” are ripped out of their cars and the aloha Snack-bars are beaten out of them big time. With several people doing a stomp down by the time the LAPD arrive on the scene said sheikh of the burning sands is a bloody wreck on the pavement. Interestingly enough nobody ever sees anyone doing it. It might not be prison time but the busted ribs, noses, eye orbitals, missing teeth. even broken jaws sort of makes up for some of it.
jca reid says
Pathetic! NEVER trust them!.do anything wrong & ,irrespective of their Nationality, they’ll simply disappear into the Muslim Ummah, (Community), with the collusion of ANY Muslim or Agency.
gravenimage says
Saudi Contempt for American Justice
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Disgusting–but this does not surprise.
These Muslim thugs are *not* our allies.