“An Afghan defense ministry official, who was not identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media, said the shooter was an Afghan soldier who had argued with the U.S. forces before opening fire. He was not a Taliban infiltrator, the official said.”
One of the chief elements of the rap sheet on me from the Southern Poverty Law Center and its ally the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations is that I have said that there is no reliable way to distinguish jihadis from peaceful Muslims. And here we are, yet again.
And yet again, the fool’s errand in Afghanistan has no goal, no purpose, and no end point. Trump should bring our troops home. They should have been brought home years ago.
“2 American Soldiers Killed, 6 Wounded in Afghanistan Attack: U.S. Official,” by Rahim Faiez and Kathy Gannon, Associated Press, February 9, 2020:
(KABUL, Afghanistan) — Two U.S. soldiers were killed and six wounded in a so-called insider attack in eastern Afghanistan’s Nangarhar province late Saturday when an Afghan dressed in an Afghan army uniform opened fire, the U.S. military said.
Afghanistan’s defense ministry said one Afghan soldier was also killed and three injured in the assault.
A member of Nangarhar’s provincial council, Ajmal Omer, told The Associated Press that the gunman was killed. Neither the U.S. military nor the Afghan defense ministry have confirmed the attacker’s fate.
The U.S. Department of Defense released later in the day the names of the dead American soldiers. They are Sgt. Javier Jaguar Gutierrez, 28; and Sgt. Antonio Rey Rodriguez, 28.
There have been numerous attacks by Afghan national army soldiers on their allied partners during 18 years of America’s protracted war in Afghanistan.
Six U.S. service members have been killed in Afghanistan since the start of 2020, including Saturday’s casualties. Last year, 22 U.S. service personnel died in combat there.
An Afghan defense ministry official, who was not identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media, said the shooter was an Afghan soldier who had argued with the U.S. forces before opening fire. He was not a Taliban infiltrator, the official said.
In a statement, the U.S. military said “an individual in an Afghan uniform opened fire on the combined U.S. and Afghan force with a machine gun. We are still collecting information and the cause or motive behind the attack is unknown at this time.”…
James says
No reason to fight an endless war that never ends and never brings anything. The minds of the people would have to all be replaced with normality chips and there is no way to do that.
Savvy Kafir says
Exactly. Afghanistan is a lost cause. A nation full of devout Muslim savages & sickos. Wasting soldier’s lives there is obscene.
Chistopher Watson says
Why the Americans thought they could win in Afghanistan Is beyond me. The Russians and the British were both beaten and weren’t hampered by rules. Save lives, dump Afghanistan.
Bob Thompson says
Same reason that America is having this INSANE infatuation with Socialist (“The goal of Socialism is Communism” Vladimir Lenin) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE Bernie Sanders.
Communists are able to dupe the uninformed, the ignorant and the gullible into believing it was never done properly before. And that ‘THIS TIME, WHEN WE HAVE A CHANCE AT IT, THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT!!!’
‘WE haven’t tried it yet, so WE need a chance to change the nature of _________ (Insert the ideology you choose: Communism/Islam)! Then, it will succeed!!!’
It’s called Hubris.
Hubris, thy name is “Democrat.”
Lion heart says
James : as a Canadian Christian guy myself original originally from its
Iraq, I wanna say “ Never trust any Muslim even t he nice ones “ that sounds weird but it’s a 14-century- bitter experience with Islam ! I mean if a Muslim is nice towards you , then Ok be nice with them as well but never trust them ! NEVER and there were many Iraqi Arab Muslims who have worked as interpreters with the U.S.army after 2003 and they have stabbed the Americans in the back by snitching on them to their fellow Muslims through texting to the destinations of the American military convoys so that the Islamic terrorists would ambush the Americans and kill them while sparing the lives of their fellow Muslims .
william carr says
Plus we have the example of the shooting on an army base by a Muslim doctor of all people
Bob Thompson says
Thanks for the words of caution, James. I note that you are a Christian from Iraq. (Do you support the State of Israel’s right to exist?)
One thing that we VERY seldom see are Muslims warning Americans of the true goals, nature, threat and dangers of Islam.
The apologists would reply that this is because there is no threat.
Michael Copeland says
“Kill them wherever you find them”.
How’s that for a motive?
mortimer says
The motive is Al Walaa wal Baraa … hatred and hostility directed by Muslims against the dirty kufaar ‘for the sake of Allah’.
Bob Thompson says
And the apologist would say that that hatred and hostility isnt presnt with ALL Muslims.
My answer to that is four fold:
1. There are enough of them who ARE hostile and antagonistic to pose a real threat.
2. We have no way to tell what is in a person’s heart. There is no reliable way to vet them.
3. Sudden Jihadist Syndrome (The elder Boston Marathon bombing Tsarnaev brother arrived here and enjoyed drinking beer and dating plenty of Women as an amateur boxer before becoming serious about his religion,)
4. Violent Jihad is the LESSER effective form of Jihad.
Andrew C. McCarthy says in the NY Post article: “The Peaceful Jihad in America”
“Most Americans don’t realize that jihad is about much more than terrorism.
Even the terrorists don’t blow up buildings for the sake of blowing up buildings. There is method in their madness.
Jihad is not mindless mass-murder, nor is it a syrupy “internal struggle to become a better person.” No, jihad is the mission to establish and spread sharia.
The installation of Allah’s law, believed by Muslims to be a divine injunction, is the necessary precondition to the creation of Islamic societies. While it can, and often is, waged forcibly, Islamists don’t resort to violence (or, at least, to more violence) where surrenders, appeasements and capitulations are available.”
https://nypost.com/2010/06/01/the-peaceful-jihad-in-america/
Bob Thompson says
Yes.
And because we cant tell who is and who isn’t trustworthy, the media and the Left says to trust them all.
Rolf Wittwer says
Bring all of them home to the U.S.!
Or is the opium-business too strong?
Let this stoneage anarchy alone!
Bad Penguin says
This is a meaningless country that has ground up every army since before Alexander the Greats time. Fighting and killing each other stops only long enough to kill invaders and then they resume killing each other again.
It’s time to pull everyone out and let them live their lives the way they always have.
Bob Thompson says
And if the next successor to the al Qaeda throne sets up operations there after we depart and begins to plot the next 9/11, then what?
It does no good to stop them AFTER a huge terrorist attack on America,
Mark Berlinger says
The Qur’an dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as “animals” and beasts:
Christians and Polytheists go to hell. They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Disbelievers are the vilest of animals. (8:55)
Unbelievers are like “panting dogs.” (7:176)
They are like “cattle” only worse (7:179).
They are unclean (9:28).
They are ignorant (6:111).
They are helpers of the devil (4:76).
Lion heart says
Mark Berliner : you’re right ; and as a Canadian Christian guy myself original originally from its
Iraq, I wanna say “ Never trust any Muslim even t he nice ones “ that sounds weird but it’s a 14-century- bitter experience with Islam ! I mean if a Muslim is nice towards you , then Ok be nice with them as well but never trust them ! NEVER and there were many Iraqi Arab Muslims who have worked as interpreters with the U.S.army after 2003 and they have stabbed the Americans in the back by snitching on them to their fellow Muslims through texting to the destinations of the American military convoys so that the Islamic terrorists would ambush the Americans and kill them while sparing the lives of their fellow Muslims .
Peter35 says
Even here on J.W. I’ve read of bloggers who “….have moslem friends…” No you bloody haven’t!
moslems can NEVER be trusted, and this is a perfect example.
gravenimage says
Too true, Peter.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. I trust none of them. Even if a moderate, secular Muslim really is your friend, he (or she) could easily begin taking his religion more seriously at any time; and suddenly you’ve got an enemy — someone who wants to see you subjugated or dead.
Also, we are at war with Islam — a war brought to us by devout Muslims throughout the world — so befriending Muslims simply isn’t something I’m interested in. Islam is inherently hostile to non-Muslims, to civilized societies, to Western culture, and to almost everything I cherish; and all Muslims are carriers of that sickness, who help to spread the cancer of Islam.
I don’t want anything to do with any of them, unless the Stealth Jihad and the Demographic Jihad lead to open warfare between Muslims and infidels in my country — or (more likely) to civil war between Muslims & their PC, Islam-friendly allies, pitted against freedom-loving patriots from across the political spectrum. In either of those scenarios, count me in.
James Lincoln says
Savvy Kafir,
Excellent post, my compliments.
gravenimage says
Afghan soldier opens fire on his US “allies,” murdering two and injuring six
………………………
Yet another “green on blue” attack.
More:
“An Afghan defense ministry official, who was not identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media, said the shooter was an Afghan soldier who had argued with the U.S. forces before opening fire. He was not a Taliban infiltrator, the official said.”
………………………
He didn’t have to be Taliban. Just his being Muslim was enough.
Savvy Kafir says
Yep. I’m sure there are many Afghans who are not members of the Taliban, who would love to kill some American infidels. And the more devout they are in their faith, the more likely they are to actually pull the trigger.
keith says
And in a country where “pulling the trigger” is an acceptable way to end an argument! well we can all see where this is going.
gravenimage says
So true, Savvy Kafir.
Bob Thompson says
There is no way to reliably vet Muslims to make the US adequately unthreatened by significant numbers of them in our country.
An excerpt.
McMaster and the Challenge of Sharia Supremacism
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
“…Our commanders experience Islam on overseas battlefields where it is the only game in town. They encounter not only Islamist enemies but also Islamists with whom they can and must ally. They form strong bonds with these allies, seeing them for what they are in those settings: the progressive elements. It may not be so easy to remember that they are “progressive” not because they are, in fact, progressive but because the milieu is a fundamentalist sharia society.
This is only natural. In the foreign realm, we encounter many actors who must be dealt with on their own terms, terms that would not be a good fit for our society. It is a fair criticism that many of us who are hostile to sharia supremacism have unreasonable expectations about how (and even whether) our government should interact with shady Muslim regimes and movements overseas. It is just as valid, however, to point out that the accommodations made to Islamists in places where we have no choice but to deal with them are not accommodations that should be made here at home. On our turf, sharia principles contradict our culture — as evidenced by the Islamists’ perdurable resistance to assimilation (see, e.g., Europe’s parallel societies).
We have a right to expect that our national-security officials will appreciate, rather than blur, this distinction. It is one thing to say, as Washington does, that picking unnecessary fights with Islamists — e.g., designating the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization — complicates our ability to make and keep alliances against global jihadism. It is quite another thing to fail to recognize the threat Islamists pose to our own society and constitutional system.
An Islamist is a Muslim committed to the imposition of sharia. There may be “moderate Islamists” in Anbar Province; there are none in America. I have great respect for General McMaster, but I’m just as worried about whether he gets that, as he apparently is worried about whether there are too many Islamophobes on the NSC. As for the president, well, he talks a good game.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/08/h-r-mcmaster-islam-he-minimizes-threat-sharia-supremacism/
gravenimage says
+1
pennant8 says
President Trump has commented before on the extra anguish that is applied when US troops are murdered by those who are supposedly on our side. Maybe this last incident will move him to expedite our withdrawal from that wretched place.
Shreyas says
No matter what you do, it’ll all end up meaning nothing. Any person with a logical mind is bound to question religious beliefs. However when when you have a doctrine that doesn’t allow you to question itself, makes you a fanatic & a tyrant. Prophet Mohammed had revelations from an angel. However there is not one proof any angel in the modern world which requires undisputable proof.
ntesdorf says
Robert Spencer is correct yet again. US forces should leave Afghanistan now and allow the local Muslims to get back to their usual pastime of fighting amongst themselves and murdering each other.
maemae77 says
Crazy thing is. It’s the so called moderate Muslims that destroy a country from within. They slowly change your society and culture. They target our youth. I see it in the schools, social media, within the neighborhoods, so called activists, mainstream media. They post their propaganda all over Facebook to get new converts. They trick people into the their ideology.
Considering more than 90% of them are voting these jihadists into our government at different levels. Many are even on school boards. Some even admins of police hating propaganda groups and funny groups that used to be healthy funny to know perversion and sadistic form of comedy.
They tell you lies and even deflect to take off the focus of their own sinister ideology. They know exactly what they’re doing because that’s what they were taught to do.
I think of the caliphate as a global movement where each one plays their part no matter how insignificant it may seem.
They depend on our ignorance because that’s where the majority of their power comes from.
jca reid says
Muslims are simply not to be trusted.
mortimer says
Backward Afghastlistan will be dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming. It is one of the most backward of all Islamic countries.
gravenimage says
Dragged by whom? We haven’t had any luck.
Bob Thompson says
Unless there is a novel 3rd option someone has yet to make known to me, our two options are to either adopt an extremely tight immigration system to keep all Muslims out of the USA or do LESS than that and watch America slowly morph into Ameristan.
I don’t have to hate Muslims to want them to stay out of America the same way I don’t have to hate ostriches to want them kept out of my City.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Bob.
John Lloyd Scharf says
It is TIME TO:
#QuarantineMuhammadanism
#BanCrimesAgainstHumanity
#BanMuhammadanLaw
#BanIraq #BanIran
#BanSaudiArabia
#BanAfghanistan
#BanIraq
Bob Thompson says
The only way we can slow down or stop Islamization in America is by reducing the numbers of Muslims in America.
As objectionable as we might find them to be, we must focus on reducing their numbers here legally and peacefully until they are no longer have the strength in numbers needed to prosecute their campaign of stealthy conquest.
And the only way we can get the uninformed and unwilling Liberals and Dems and others to go along with divesting America of massive numbers of Muslims is to get away from our religious opposition to them and focus instead on the inherent aggression and imperialism of Islam which every Muslim is required to help accomplish using either peaceful or violent Jihad or both.
If we peaceably and legally reduce the numbers of Muslims in America, the threat of Islamization (i.e. the installation of Sharia law) is reduced or negated.
The Five Stages of Islam – American Thinker
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/05/the_five_stages_of_islam.html
Getting our fellow Americans to help us and not call us bigots and racists can be done by focusing on the aggressive ideology rather than the religion.
And that shift in focus to oppose the hostile ideology might persuade reticent patriotic Democrats to join our movement because they will be better able to defend themselves from accusations of racism
gravenimage says
Muslim immigration is already down 90% under Trump. A good start.
Bob Thompson says
Yes. Just think how much more he could do if we all began to ask each and every political candidate in America (while there are reporter’s cameras and audio recorders present!) to state their position on Sharia law.
gravenimage says
+1
sidney penny says
“And yet again, the fool’s errand in Afghanistan has no goal, no purpose, and no end point. Trump should bring our troops home. They should have been brought home years ago.”
Will Pakistan fill the vacuum? and if so will that be good for everyone?
gravenimage says
Jihadists pop back and forth across the Pakistan/Afghanistan border as it is.
sidney penny says
“The U.S. Department of Defense released later in the day the names of the dead American soldiers. They are Sgt. Javier Jaguar Gutierrez, 28; and Sgt. Antonio Rey Rodriguez, 28.”
28!
gravenimage says
Rest in peace, both of them. Never forget the victims of Jihad, and work for there not being any more.