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Independent claims Muslim who attacked cops with sword was inspired by Tommy Robinson, David Wood, Robert Spencer

Feb 10, 2020 5:00 pm By Robert Spencer

Lizzie Dearden of the Independent details here how jihad terrorist Mohiusunnath Chowdhury, whose hate and bloodlust we have covered a great deal here at Jihad Watch, says he learned from Tommy Robinson, David Wood and me. In this, Dearden echoes Chowdhury’s prosecutor, Duncan Atkinson, whose claim that Chowdhury was inspired by Robinson we reported yesterday. It’s a bit eye-popping to see us falsely accused of inciting violence by a Muslim, when usually we’re falsely accused of inciting violence against Muslims. Apparently the establishment media has simply decided that we’re awful people — “far-right,” of course, for the crime of opposing jihad violence and Sharia oppression of women — and “journalists” such as Dearden don’t care how much they have to tie themselves into logical knots to establish this.

Dearden does mention in a single paragraph that Chowdhury was inspired by Anwar al-Awlaki and Sheikh Faisal, but gives over her headline and 21 paragraphs to trying to convince her readers that Robinson, Wood and I inspired Chowdhury. Her assumption is that Islam is a Religion of Peace, which Robinson, Wood and I are misinterpreting and thereby validating the jihadist interpretation — as if Chowdhury would have been a peaceful, loyal, productive British citizen if he hadn’t run afoul of our writings telling him the Qur’an taught violence.

If that were so, why were no Muslim clerics, with whom Chowdhury was manifestly in contact, unable to convince him of the true, peaceful Islam? Why was there jihad violence for 1,400 years before Tommy, David, or I wrote or said anything? If we validated the jihadist interpretation of Islam, where did it come from, and why did it have so much resonance among Muslims before we came along?

Dearden also calls Jihad Watch a “conspiracy blog” that “claims Muslims are trying to ‘destroy western societies and impose Islamic law’, and seeks to prove that violent jihad is mandated by the Quran.”

Well, some Muslims are certainly trying to destroy Western societies and impose Islamic law. Lizzie Dearden should know that, since Mohiusunnath Chowdhury is one of them. Can she document one “conspiracy theory” we spread here? Can she show how we have misrepresented, misquoted, or misinterpreted the Qur’an? Of course not, and she doesn’t even try. She is, after all, an establishment media “journalist.”

“Mohiussunnath Chowdhury: How jihadi used signed copy of Tommy Robinson book and far-right websites to justify terror attack plans,” by Lizzie Dearden, Independent, February 10, 2020:

A jihadi who planned new terror attacks after slashing police officers with a sword outside Buckingham Place had a signed copy of a book by Tommy Robinson, it can be revealed.

Mohiussunnath Chowdhury took the “collectors’ edition” of Mohammed’s Koran – Why Muslims Kill for Islam to his local mosque in Luton and showed it to men he believed to be fellow jihadis.

“I got a new book – it’s the Quran decoded,” he wrote on the Telegram encrypted messaging app.

“The Quran is encrypted, and if you read it in chronological order you will find that the majority of the peaceful verses have been cancelled out by the later verses commanding violence.”

The book, co-authored by Robinson and Peter McLoughlin, was one of a host of far-right sources that Chowdhury used alongside Islamist propaganda to justify his plans.

Chowdhury had been acquitted of terror offences over the 2017 Buckingham Palace sword attack and freed from prison.

Prosecutors said that, within months, he was preparing to commit terror attacks on potential targets including a gay pride parade, Madame Tussauds and a London tourist bus.

Unaware that his home and car had been bugged, and that his new-found jihadi friends were undercover police officers, Chowdhury started training with a practice sword and knife, enrolling on a shooting training course and trying to get hold of a gun.

His sister, Sneha Chowdhury, told police her brother bought the “signed collectors’ edition” of Robinson’s book online for £39.95 but did not explain why.

When questioned on the purchase in court, Chowdhury claimed that the English Defence League (EDL) founder “understands jihadi doctrine”.

He told the jury that he started looking at anti-Islam sources after gorging on jihadi propaganda including Isis videos and speeches by al-Qaeda linked ideologue Anwar al-Awlaki.

“I learned enough about jihad,” Chowdhury said. “I felt like I should learn the other side of it, you know?”

He described “learning” from the Jihad Watch website, and called director Robert Spencer an “American scholar”, adding: “I thought it was very interesting.”

The conspiracy blog claims Muslims are trying to “destroy western societies and impose Islamic law”, and seeks to prove that violent jihad is mandated by the Quran.

Woolwich Crown Court heard that Chowdhury had read and screenshotted numerous articles, including a list of Quran verses about fighting.

He also relied on videos by a Christian preacher who claimed to “explain jihad” and vehicle attacks by presenting Islam as inherently violent.

Chowdhury described American David Wood as a “hardcore enemy of Allah” to undercover police but added: “He does a better job of explaining Islam than most speakers in the west.”

He repeatedly shared Mr Wood’s videos with the officers, instructing them to watch them and describing the passage on vehicle attacks as a “really good breakdown of options”.

In Telegram chats, Chowdhury claimed that despite mocking Islam, Mr Wood was “more truthful than the majority of Islamic speakers”.

He told the jury that he found the videos while “looking for the truth” of religious doctrine, adding: “Mr Wood uses the references and proves this is the truth about Islam … it’s taboo, it’s like forbidden knowledge.”

Chowdhury also used parts of a book by late Canadian Christian missionary Don Richardson that claimed that Islamic schools were “breeding grounds for potential terrorists” and that Muslim children were being “brainwashed”.

He identified the jihadi preacher Awlaki, who was killed in a 2011 drone strike in Yemen, as a key inspiration, as well as formerly UK-based extremist cleric Sheikh Faisal.

Chowdhury posted Instagram pictures from Isis’s Dabiq propaganda magazine and watched some of the group’s gory videos, including those showing executions and gay men being thrown from buildings.

He admitted in court that he had not always been a practising Muslim and felt that if he had died in the 2017 Buckingham Palace attack “I would be cleared of my guilty conscience, I would be sinless”.

The trial heard that he pushed away Muslim friends he had grown up with because of his increasingly extreme beliefs, and argued with those who challenged him.

“I am removing them one by one from myself if they do not accept Islam’s teaching about kuffar [disbelivers] and if they refuse to choose sides,” he told undercover police officers in an online chat. “No fence-sitting anymore, all our relationships must be for sake of Allah.”…

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  1. The unexpected voice says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 5:17 pm

    Another lie by Dhimmi controlled media. It’s obvious that his inspiration is Qur’an teaching.

    • Carpediadem says

      Feb 11, 2020 at 2:23 am

      Lizzie has form:
      https://honestreporting.com/tag/lizzie-dearden/

    • william carr says

      Feb 13, 2020 at 8:54 am

      Speaking against alcohol and smoking must encourage people to do it then. Strange logic

  2. Michael Copeland says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 5:18 pm

    Chowdury is right. Robert Spencer is an “American scholar”, and JihadWatch is “very interesting.”.

    Lizzie Dearden has not done due diligence. She writes that Chowdury “felt” that if he had died in the 2017 Buckingham Palace attack “I would be cleared of my guilty conscience, I would be sinless”.

    No, dear. It is not a matter of “feeling”: it is INSTRUCTED in the mosques. It is Islamic doctrine.

  3. FYI says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 5:39 pm

    “He{David wood} does a better job of explaining islam than most speakers in the west”

    He certainly does{along with Mr Robert Spencer}unlike say,those dawa apologists,the beavis and butthhead of the islamic world,muhammed “I can’t defeat Christian prince” hijab and his pet poodle ali “want a share in the reward?” dawah.

    • Ray Jarman says

      Feb 10, 2020 at 7:29 pm

      +++++++++++++++++++++1 Spot on FYI

      • FYI says

        Feb 11, 2020 at 6:40 am

        According to the koran 69:44-46 if muhammed was a false prophet,allah would sever his Aorta:when muhammed was dying after being poisoned he said he felt as if… his Aorta was being severed which means he must have suspected he was a false prophet.

        What cracks me up about muhammed is that even though he was warned the meat was poisoned{..the meat spoke to him..} he went ahead and ate it anyway and subsequently he died as a result.

        So his god allah didn’t save him:if he was a true prophet he would either have refrained from eating poisoned meat or discontinued eating it if he knew it was poisoned.But he ate it anyway perhaps afflicted by the delusion he was invincible.Only a moron eats food he knows is poisoned.

        If you want one of the best on You Tube…

        acts17apologetics who killed muhammed?

  4. R Russell says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 5:49 pm

    Well this is a new way to try to shut down those who are telling the truth.

  5. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 6:32 pm

    Lizzie Dearden took an ax,
    giving kuffar necks their whacks,
    following Islamic lore
    in Quran 47:4.

    (“When ye meet the Unbelievers, smite at their necks.”)

    • PRCS says

      Feb 10, 2020 at 11:23 pm

      Excellent!

  6. James Lincoln says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    A normal, well-adjusted person, will read Tommy Robinson’s book “Mohammed’s Koran – Why Muslims Kill for Islam” and will come away with well-informed disgust regarding its contents.

    A muslim will read the same book – and may be inspired by it to commit Jihad.

    Likewise, Hitler’s Mein Kampf will also inform and disgust good people – while inspiring some evil people to commit atrocities.

    • Ashley says

      Feb 10, 2020 at 8:13 pm

      Bingo Mr. Lincoln!

      Content intended to expose depravity can easily be a source of pride and inspiration to the sadists…

      Not all that read JW are “the good guys.”

    • WithPurpleAbandon says

      Feb 11, 2020 at 10:06 am

      True. What people in the Counterjihad understand about Islamic doctrine and the ways it justifies violence against non-muslims serves a totally different purpose : enlightening the general public of unsuspecting non-muslims with regards to the awful ideology that Islam really is and what dangers it entails. As a consequence, what we understand about Islam is exactly the same as what any muslim, radicalized or so-called moderate, is supposed to believe during his/her whole lifetime.

      The ultimate difference lies in the intention we have: do no harm to others but educate the general public. And that’s because we analytically understand it to the full, but we don’t adhere to it ourselves, like the muslim does.

      Therein lies the difference : the intention we have towards others + we don’t cling to this set of beliefs.

      Same thing when you want to analytically understand something about Stalinism, Nazism, or any other doctrine that wreaks havoc in this world. Some people will adhere to it, others will analyze it to warn others of the dangers.

  7. Wellington says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 6:48 pm

    This is akin to blaming Poland for starting WWII.

  8. Niemoller says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 7:13 pm

    LOL, how disgusting these Western left fascists are. I guess according to them, I should be a hardened member of ISIS by now reading Jihad Watch for so many years. Far from it. I would say if anything, Spencer and Woods are incredibly ethical, intelligent and temperate in their efforts to promote home truths about unreformed Islam and its many criminal elements. They deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, quite frankly. Robinson is not a scholar, but he is a very decent chap who has done an amazing job exposing jihad in the UK while he is under persecution from not only criminal Islamists, but from his own government which clearly sides with foreign Islamist moneyed interests.
    Simon Weisenthal, Elie Wiesel, the SPLC and the Holocaust Museum would be inspiring racists and antisemites under the same logic of these “journalists” by documenting hate, apparently. Is this not so blindly obvious? I made this simple analogy in about .5 seconds, but clearly that’s too much of a strain for the dullminded “journalists” attempting so hard to be righteous but merely being self-righteous fools causing harm to the good.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 10, 2020 at 7:20 pm

      Fine post, Niemoller.

    • James Lincoln says

      Feb 11, 2020 at 10:20 am

      Niemoller says,

      “Robinson is not a scholar, but he is a very decent chap who has done an amazing job exposing jihad in the UK while he is under persecution from not only criminal Islamists, but from his own government which clearly sides with foreign Islamist moneyed interests.”

      You are correct.

      Tommy Robinson is not a “scholar” in the technical sense but he has 10 times the wisdom of many PhD -type “scholars”. But you knew this already.

      To your point, Lee Roy Parnell, a country musician, has a great song called “Road Scholar”, obviously a play on words “Rhode Scholar”.

      Excellent post, my compliments.

  9. Spiro says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    As usually blame the messenger
    We sure wouldn’t want the truth to come out

  10. gravenimage says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 7:37 pm

    Independent claims Muslim who attacked cops with sword was inspired by Tommy Robinson, David Wood, Robert Spencer
    …………………….

    Isn’t this like saying that the Nazis were inspired by Winston Churchill?

    And here’s what the Independent has to say about Lizzie Dearden:

    “Lizzie Dearden is The Independent’s Home Affairs and Security Correspondent. She specialises in extremism and terrorism, and has covered attacks around the world. Her work has been featured in research published by the United Nations, Combating Terrorism Centre and other bodies.”

    But in fact the appalling Lizzie Dearden has an ugly history of minimizing the threat of Jihad terror. Here is her response from just a few days ago to concerns about letting Jihadists out early to commit more acts of terror:

    “How ministers’ panic over terror could make the situation worse”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/news-analysis/terror-laws-uk-sudesh-amman-streatham-attack-emergency-a9322701.html

    and

    “Boris Johnson’s plan to keep violent and sexual offenders in prison for longer ‘will increase violence'”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-prison-sentences-dangerous-criminals-jail-a9295191.html

    Other recent articles of hers that are soft on Jihad or worse include “Facial recognition could be ‘spectacular own goal’, police warned”, “Terror plans were just ‘jihad banter’, says accused attack plotter”, “How jailing extremists for longer could make them more dangerous”, and “British government condemned for offering to repatriate children from Syrian Isis camp but not their mother”.

    • Niemoller says

      Feb 10, 2020 at 8:04 pm

      Thanks, gravenimage, excellent info/great research on the execrable Lizzie and her hatchet jobs.

      • Wellington says

        Feb 10, 2020 at 9:50 pm

        Seconded.

      • gravenimage says

        Feb 10, 2020 at 10:08 pm

        Thank you, Niemoller and Wellington. That this is the kind of dhimmi that the media, the UN, and other bodies that should know better are passing off as terror experts is just sickening.

  11. Tom Cheria says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 8:05 pm

    David Wood, Robert Spencer all learn that ISLAM from Quran & Hadiths so BAN QURAN & Hadiths and while we are at it, BAN RESPECTING OF A SLAVE OWNER AS GREATEST PROPHET in Christian West.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 10, 2020 at 10:09 pm

      I think we have to be able to learn the truth about Islam, Tom–and that means our *reading* the Qur;an and other texts of Islam.

    • FYI says

      Feb 11, 2020 at 12:12 pm

      People should know about the koran and read it and see..

      a}What is in it ?

      b}What is NOT in it?
      {for example:Where is the Golden Rule?God’s Holy Spirit of Wisdom?{missing as allah completely misunderstands the Theology behind the Trinity either through ignorance or malice:MARY is not in the Trinity,nowhere in Christian Theology has that been so .see koran 5:116 and koran 4:171}Why is there no formal listing of those essential commandments in the koran?Why are these things that were revealed in the Bible MISSING in islam?}

      islamic scholars love to fiddle the Arabic so they won’t be telling you the truth:they would lose their power in any case.

      It is also good to compare and contrast the koran and the Bible.
      {Compare the koran with respect to the Judeo-Christian Biblical commandment system:note that “love thy neighbor” lev19:18 does not exist in islam-WHY?- and in fact is impossible as Jews and Christians are classified as “the WORST of created beings” koran 98 v 6}

      At the time of writing of the koran its author confirms the Bible as TRUE{ koran 3:3} and even tells muhammed to consult those familiar with it,if in doubt{koran 10:94}.It is not true that the Bible was corrupted:in fact the ABSENCE of the Holy Spirit in the koran,the source of authentic prophecy and scripture which is revealed in the Gospel{ a book alalh confirms as TRUE k3:3,k5:46-47}shows that the koran is in error.

      The Bible shows{and confirms} the PRESENCE of the Holy Spirit
      The koran shows{and denies} the ABSENCE of the Holy Spirit

      muslims should read the koran but away from the imams:do not be fooled by the Arabic.
      If in doubt allah even says..

      “And if thou muhammed art in doubt concerning that which WE reveal unto thee,then question those who read the scripture that was before thee”
      koran 10:94

      So if you are a muslim go ask the Bible experts about

      1]the 2 chief commandments of God{Mathew 22 v 37-40}
      2]The Exodus 20 laws
      3]The Golden Rule {Matthew 7 v 12}

  12. somehistory says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    OT, but islam inspired:
    AFP
    “Maldives apologizes to British woman over bikini spat ”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/maldives-apologizes-to-british-woman-over-bikini-spat/ar-

  13. Norger says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    So the jihadis get their Islam from notorious Islamophobes Robert Spencer and David Wood? Seriously?!?

    • Westman says

      Feb 11, 2020 at 9:05 am

      Don’t forget all those “sexual emergencies” in Sweden. They must be included in The Independent’s moronic logic.

  14. tim gallagher says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    What a weird report this is. There are thousands of Muslims who commit terrorist atrocities and are quite happy to say their inspiration comes straight from the Koran and the vile example of their “perfect” man, Muhammad, and they often yell out “Allahu Akbar” as they commit their atrocious crimes. So even if the bullshit from this particular character Chowdhury was true, that, unbelievably, he didn’t find Islam to be violent until he was informed by Robinson, Spencer and Wood, then it would merely be one freakishly weird million to one occurrence. It would just be the result of Chowdhury’s peculiarly diseased mind. Most of the Muslims who commit terrorist attacks know that it comes straight from the basic ideas espoused by murderous Islam. No secret to it at all. What a twisted mind this Dearden person must have to come up with such garbage. Of course, obviously her report is aimed at preventing people such as Spencer, Wood and Robinson from telling the truth about Islam and getting the truth out to many people. We can’t have the truth getting out to people. People have to be kept slumbering away. People like Dearden, who seem to work for Islam, disgust me. People like Spencer, Wood and Robinson and others are doing extraordinarily important work.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 11, 2020 at 9:16 pm

      This is just another attempt to say that if only “Islamophobes” would shut up that Islam would be perfectly peaceful. Of course it is vicious bs.

      • tim gallagher says

        Feb 11, 2020 at 9:40 pm

        Yes, gravenimage, it is unbelievable rubbish. There are enough people wandering around in this world (sleepwalking really) who don’t have a clue about Islam’s evil nature and who do seem to think Islam is peaceful and Islam’s followers would love this ignorance continue so they get on with trying to take over our countries. That’s why I believe that people like Spencer, Wood and Robinson are doing some of the most important work anyone can do these days by trying to wake the sleepwalkers up. What a dangerous person this Dearden character is, although I suppose most people would ignore her clownish reporting. I know that there are journalists and commentators here in Australia whose opinions on any subject I would always avoid like the plague.

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 12, 2020 at 9:21 pm

          +1

  15. Lydia Church says

    Feb 10, 2020 at 11:48 pm

    “The conspiracy blog claims Muslims are trying to “destroy western societies and impose Islamic law”, and seeks to prove that violent jihad is mandated by the Quran.”

    I guess they never read the koran! Because yes, it is!
    And thus it is not a ‘false conspiracy’ blog, but a blog that exposes TRUE conspiracies. Which do exist.
    But the writer of the article is but another useless idiot who never checks things out before complaining about them, making himself look like a fool. (Unless he’s part of the propaganda machine of course.)

    And just because this guy claims to have been motivated by these sources does not incriminate the sources, but him for carrying out his actions. For one thing, these sources do not call for violence, but are intellectual discussion forums. In the case of the koran, the koran is at fault because it DOES call for violence, but it is still up to the individual to carry them out and they are just as guilty when they do. The muslims cannot say ‘so and so made me do it!’

    And it’s another case of: no matter what you do, it’s all your fault.

    Don’t warn against jihad, and you get more jihad because you didn’t warn.
    Warn against jihad, and you get more jihad because you did warn.

    It’s another one of their impossible, irrational, logical contradictions.

    But for them of course, it works the other way around, no matter what they do, they get the free pass.

  16. Thor Odinson says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 12:02 am

    Please, please, please, Mr. Spencer. This news item deserves more analysis….please do a live stream with David Wood to talk about it. And please include the Apostate Prophet.

  17. Barguest says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 3:13 am

    When reality and The Narrative collide a rational person swats aside the latter as the falsehood it so obviously is. The likes of Ms Dearden however resort to utter absurdities to defend The Narrative. Though such a defence is never going to convince rational people, only those who’ve drunk the Kool Aid. Ms Dearden is merely preaching to the converted, the rest of us see her as akin to the Red Queen: asking us to believe in half a dozen impossible things before breakfast…

  18. maemae77 says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 3:25 am

    He’s a liar and he knows it. The men he describes are all against all acts of terrorism, especially Islamic terrorism.

    That’s his attempt to take down truth tellers.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Feb 11, 2020 at 4:30 am

      His ideology authorises him to lie.
      The Messenger of Allah told his followers it is all right to lie in the cause of Islam.
      The Messenger spent his life promoting the cause of Islam.
      He, also, was authorised to do what his followers were authorised to do.

      Did it ever occur to Chowdhury that the Messenger was quite likely lying?

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 11, 2020 at 9:17 pm

      Just a small point, maemae–Lizzie Dearden is a woman.

  19. andrew mckendrick says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 5:50 am

    Tommy Robinson has warned many times that Luton is a hotbed of jihadis ,guess where Chowdhury comes from? When are our security services going to focus on what is going on in that town?

  20. Don Ameche says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 6:01 am

    Tommy Robinson, Robert Spencer and David Wood all give very accurate and truthful reportage of what islam is and does.

    Notice the great hoards of ” moderate” muslims any where in the entire world do not condemn the Jihadist violent actions. They don’t even protest that jihadists are taking their ‘religion’ in vain…….. because islam is virtually identical to jihad.

  21. Michael Pillon says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 6:18 am

    Is he on the toilet in that photo? Because that’s where I keep my Quran, too!

  22. John says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 6:50 am

    From the article in the Independent by Lizzie Dearden >> He told the jury that he found the videos while “looking for the truth” of religious doctrine, adding: “Mr Wood uses the references and proves this is the truth about Islam … it’s taboo, it’s like forbidden knowledge.”<< Seems that he is saying that David Wood etc got it right.

  23. jca reid says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 9:05 am

    Complete Lies!! Talk about Taqiyya at work! What inspires him are the words of that bat cr*p crazy psycho they call a “prophet”, Mohammed. This is corroborated by the words of their Imams & Mullahs spouting off the filthy bilge as well!

    • WithPurpleAbandon says

      Feb 11, 2020 at 10:17 am

      The guy is obviously desperate to make his taqiyya work its magic on PC Western judiciaries to gain a reduced sentence. And it may just work, he figured. That’s what’s going on here.

  24. Giacomo Latta says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 10:17 am

    This Chowdhury may be one of the rare exceptions of coming to Islam not because of what he heard at home or at the mosque but because his mother dropped him head first if this guy seriously thinks Tommy Robinson is pro-Jihad. I suspect his bogus claim was an invention of his lawyers. If successful, it will become the standard defence for Jihadis everywhere.

  25. OLD GUY says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 10:51 am

    Islamic lies and bullshit seem to be at the heart of the Jihad, it’s always someone else that caused the killing they the islamic jihads commit. Words do not kill, people kill. If you are raised to hate and to kill people who do not agree with you in this case “religious or political” belief then you may vary likely become a jihadist. Only islam promotes the KILLING of non believers in its teachings. The christians have gotten past the dark ages, islam is stuck there.

    Islam is like a dictatorship that demands its followers to believe everything without question or you go to prison or get beheaded. Where is the peace in that?

  26. Mitch Kumstein says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 11:48 am

    Ya means ta tell me that Mohammad, the “ideal” Muslim, with his blood lust and pedo proclivities as illustrated in the Koran, Sira and Hadith, doesn’t serve as an example for these people…..????

  27. Norger says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 2:16 pm

    I’m still try to wrap my head the utterly jaw-dropping idiocy of Lizzie Dearden. So….Robert Spencer, David Wood and Tommy Robinson et al have now somehow hijacked Islam and are twisting the minds of vulnerable young Muslims. The mind reels.

    On a more serious note, in his excellent book, “Catastrophic Failure,” which Ms Dearden should read, counter-terrorism trainer Stephen Coughlin talks about being contacted by multiple persons after the Fort Hood shootings. Prior to going full-on jihadi against his fellow soldiers, the Fort Hood shooter, Nidal Hassan, had given PowerPoint presentations to his fellow soldiers on Islam, in which he gave various explanations of Islamic theology including (among other things) the doctrine of abrogation. Several people who saw Hassan’s slides who had also been trained by Coughlin thought that Coughlin must have known Hassan because several of Hassan’s slides matched some of Coughlin’s counter-terrorism training slides almost exactly. Coughlin explains (pay attention Ms Dearden) that the reason for this was not that he knew Hassan (the two had never met) but because he and Hassan both read the same authoritative Islamic sources and accurately summarized what those authorities in fact said….

  28. Bob Thompson says

    Feb 11, 2020 at 6:28 pm

    The pity is that there are only a few who are so inspirational to these guys.

    We must make so many Kafir American Patriots that these individuals feel it is useless to carry out their religious orders.

    Americans are afraid of being called racists because we do not have GOOD accurate and defensible reasons to oppose Islamization.

    Try this.

    Oppose the inherent imperialism and aggression of Islam.

    Only delve into the religious arguments once you have the ability to do so with some success.

    Spar at the kafir friendly websites like the Geller Report. Then when you feel ready, go to more hostile online territories.

    But if we just find the Islamic commands to believers to go forth and make the World Sharia ruled and then show examples of Muslims following those orders we can make a convincing case to deny Muslims entry to America based on their imperialist aggression.

    Nothing racist about that.

  29. sidney penny says

    Feb 12, 2020 at 2:08 am

    This sounds like Muslim propaganda from the Independent?

    Who owns it?

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 12, 2020 at 9:26 pm

      Good question. Apparently the Independent was sold to Russian businessman and former KGB officer Alexander Lebedev in 2010. It’s anyone’s guess where his loyalties might lie–his politics seen to be all over the map.

  30. E Maria says

    Feb 21, 2020 at 11:33 am

    The political ideology of Islam allows them to Lie and they’ve been lying since their child molester Mo hammend started his Satanic cult.

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