Why does Britain have so many suspected jihadis? Could it be that their policies of appeasement of Islamic supremacist groups and harassment of foes of jihad terror have failed miserably to blunt the appeal of jihad among Muslims in Britain?
“‘We CANNOT watch them all’: Scotland Yark [sic] anti-terror chief Neil Basu says officers don’t have resources to watch every 3,000 extremist suspects,” by Ed Riley, Mailonline, February 5, 2020:
Britain’s most senior counter-terrorism officer today said it is not possible to watch every extremist on UK streets because there are too many – as he backed plans to keep terrorists locked up for longer.
Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu said the sheer scale of the challenge meant that officers needed the public’s help to stop future terror attacks.
He told the Evening Standard that he hoped bystanders would raise the alarm about suspicious conduct and remain vigilant at all times – adding that the threat of terrorism in the UK is ‘not diminishing’ following a third attack in three months.
Mr Basu also hailed the ‘courage’ of the officers involved in stopping attacker and convicted terrorist Sudesh Amman – and said he backed the governments plans to keep extremists locked up for longer.
In an article for the Evening Standard he said: ‘With 3,000 or so subjects of interest currently on our radar and many convicted terrorists soon due to be released from prison, we simply cannot watch all of them all the time.’
He said he was ‘supportive’ of government plans to introduce emergency legislation to ensure existing terrorist prisoners are not freed automatically after serving up to a third of their sentence.
Mr Basu said: ‘Part of the solution must be ensuring those who pose the greatest threat to our society are removed from it, and so my colleagues and I are supportive of the Government’s plans to strengthen our ability to keep the most dangerous terrorists locked up for longer….
David says
Thank God, some common sense from our police force backing plans to lock up terrorists for longer.
I heartily recommend you read the following article from today’s Sunday Telegraph in which a former member of Al-Qaeda who became a spy for MI6 gives his opinions about “deradicalisation”:-
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/al-qaeda-spied-mi6-know-deradicalisation-doesnt-work/
Westman says
“I am supportive of the Government’s plans to strengthen our ability to keep the most dangerous terrorists locked up for longer….”
Simply noise for public consumption to desperately retain confidence in the incompetent government controlling the law enforcement agencies. Police officers might be well advised to seek employment in another field than be caught between the crosshairs of both terrorists and UK government. Being a policeman in the UK can only bring dourness to life’s enjoyment.
All governments have a stack of political-spin plans, trumpeted to media, which are never legislated into action.
toomanyhobbies says
easy solution DEPORT EVERY ONE OF THEM!!!
Trick_or_Treat says
Nah, you wouldn’t want to deport any of them, would you?! And yet you still continue to import the scum, wholesale, then you have a big whinge about how you’ve got all of these thousands and thousands of of potential Sudden Jihad Syndrome jihadis that you can’t keep all under surveillance!
Tell ya wot cobbers, sit down, pour yerselves a big hot cuppa tea, and have a big long think about it, Einsteins. It might eventually come to you.
Michael Copeland says
It is not possible under the law to deport citizens.
The assumption that these prisoners are all migrants is unsafe.
AP says
CHange the law, if someone is convicted of terrorism, automatic death penalty. That should put a stop to it. One way or the other
Savvy Kafir says
Laws need to be changed, throughout the West, so that Muslims can be deported. All Muslims, including citizens. If this does not happen, it’s just a matter of time until Western nations become Islamic societies, one after another. 1400 years of Muslim history, around the world, bear this out.
James Lincoln says
Savvy Kafir says,
“Laws need to be changed, throughout the West, so that Muslims can be deported. All Muslims, including citizens.”
If this can be done legally, I am “all in”.
gravenimage says
Here’s some heartening news:
“Trump officials pushing to strip convicted jihad terrorists of citizenship”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/06/trump-officials-pushing-to-strip-convicted-jihad-terrorists-of-citizenship
Janice Mermikli says
Some are dual nationals and can therefore be legally deported.
Kilauea says
If you can’t watch them all, deport them all dumbass! You Brits are such a band of pussies. If you won’t fight for your country, you don’t deserve one. Face Mecca and get on your knees bitches. That’s your future.
J Kolenbrander says
You got it! ?
b.a. freeman says
ever hear of the deep state, Kilauea? those are the guys here IN THE U.S. who are fighting to gut the constitution, trying to make it into a historical document of no more practical use than a party platform document in a presidential election. they are AT THE TOP, even though folks like U and i are fighting them tooth and nail. there *ARE* british folks who are trying to do the same thing we are doing, but the hard-core left has controlled british education almost since the beginning of public education there. everybody graduates secondary school with a leftist atheist (excuse me, church-of-england) outlook, and has been thoroughly indoctrinated. those who manage to think for themselves have a hard time, because islamophobia charges can cause job loss, home loss, and prison (think tommy robinson, kevin crehan, et al.), so those with big mouths – like me – have to rethink things, and perhaps prepare for war rather than speaker’s square, or even court.
so, no, the brits aren’t p***ies; instead, they are, for the most part, indoctrinated rather than educated … as are we americans. how many americans do U personally know who understand the threat of islam? i stumbled upon evidence on the web some years ago now and educated myself, but the information was not easily accessible when i was younger (ARPAnet rather than internet days, mostly with FTP and email; http didn’t come along for some years), and the left WILL NOT TEACH IT. at every turn, the fascists silence people like pamela geller, robert spencer, bosch fawstin, et al., so that even if people do know how to think critically, they are unable to make informed decisions because the information has been taken offline. and if somebody becomes as well-known as mr. spencer or ayaan hirsi ali, the fascists (or the ummah) try to poison or otherwise kill the one spreading the truth about this cult.
it used to confuse me to no end as to *why* the elites would not look at islam. it took me a while, but i think i have it figured out now. first of all, the left (commies, then fascists and commies, then commies, and now just fascists) has never been able to win elections without lying; even then, they more often than not get shot down at the polls. the lesson of russia at the end of WWI was that if society is in great flux, no elections are necessary; instead, the left can simply *seize* power. the lesson taught by hitler’s election in the weimar republic was that absolute power *could* be achieved at the polls, but only when virtually the entire population was socialist. looking at the history of the period between the wars in EUrabia, it can be seen that germany was the leading socialist country in the world, because she was far richer – and much further into socialism and socialist thought – than russia. the mistake made by the commies was that they tried to run *everything*, but killed off a lot of the necessary personnel who had the needed expertise, so that they ran the nation into the ground (although it took more than 70 years and a war, not to mention millions murdered). the fascists took that lesson to heart, and left most of the economy alone, unless they wanted something from one industry or another. the advantage was that as socialists promised, experts were running the nation, and changes were incremental rather than immediate and disastrous. the only “bumps” they encountered were 6 million or so people whom they hated for no particular rational reason, and the problem they presented was easily addressed. in fact, a probable majority of americans before 1933 thought that mussolini and hitler were doing good for their nations, because they were DOING SOMETHING. in a similar fashion, they liked FDR because he, too, was DOING SOMETHING (viz. the alphabet-soup agencies he started and shut down as necessary). if what was being done didn’t work, then they tried something else. this fact is often use to hide the fact that virtually all fascists were either socialists or syndicalists before they were fascists. it’s rather inconvenient for the lying left that FDR and mussolini wrote admiring letters to one another, and that FDR told aides that he was pleased by comparisons between mussoline and himself.
in any case, the left has been doing its best for *decades* now to mal-educate young americans. they are only exposed to leftist ideas, with other philosophies brought up only to be pilloried; furthermore, they are not taught to think critically, and as a result, the “graduates” look to the “smart people” (hard-core leftists at universities) for what to think and do. about 3 million more voters chose ms. clinton than mr. trump in 2016, which says that the education approach is working. the problem for the left is that they want power *N*O*W*, not after multiple generations. that means that they must resort to somehow thrusting society into chaos so that they can seize power … but how to do that …
and that is where the ummah comes in. pew research did a worldwide poll of muslims and published it on 2013-04-30 in which roughly 10% of all muslims fall into what pew calls the “pious” category. these are people who observe islam as strictly as possible, and furthermore know a lot about its scriptures. that would put these folks squarely in the camp of the jihadis, and we can also infer that any random group of muslim rapefugees admitted to a civilized country will make random attacks on innocents in order to terrorize them. if the left imports random groups of muslims, 10% of them will *VOLUNTARILY*, and with *NO* support from the left, work to destabilize society; the only thing the left must do is to cover for them so that more damage can be done for as long as necessary to destroy society. such a deal! the pious ummah is serving as a proxy army for the left, and nobody even thinks to look there!
again, a majority of americans, and 99.9% of EUrabians, believe that islam is a religion “just like all the others,” in that it is stupid and pap for the masses. they have been brought up with a watered-down santa-claus version of christianity, in which an old guy sits on a cloud and smites people he hates, but since the old guy doesn’t really exist, and nobody important believes those fairy tales, anyway (except for knuckle-draggers like me, a born-again christian), then islam has to be the same. why check it out? if it were dangerous, the “smart people” would have said something; they didn’t, so that proves that islam is harmless and stupid, and unworthy of examination. a lack of training in critical thinking exacerbates the danger to the average citizen, but the hard-core left doesn’t give a s**t about anybody’s lives but their own, so if we of the stupid stinking masses know what’s good for us, we’ll just STFU and let things happen; the grown-ups in the room know what they’re doing. and if a few million of us die, so what? the important thing is that none of the “smart people” will die … because those f***ing liars *K*N*O*W* the monstrous treason which they are committing, and hope that more of us knuckle-draggers die than leftist tools.
the bottom line is that we shouldn’t throw rocks at the brits. instead, we should look at them for what they are: us, just a decade or so behind them on the same road. keep trying to spread the truth!
Ashley says
‘With 3,000 or so subjects of interest currently on our radar and many convicted terrorists soon due to be released from prison, we simply cannot watch all of them all the time.’
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Or so? Sounds like a MINIMUM of 3000 “subjects of interest.”
Had a flock of mourning doves under our bird feeder this morning. Tried to count how many but they kept hopping around. I would say “13 or so”…
So yeah. Good luck with keeping tabs on 3000+ potential terrorists…
somehistory says
Ashley, did you ever see the Hitchcock movie, “The Birds”?
All of those various birds flocking in, sitting on the wires, roofs, playground equipment, etc., and then suddenly attacking the unaware innocents who were going about their daily lives…eating, getting gasoline, walking, the kids at school trying to walk home…
Who could count that many birds? Much the same with moslims…who can accurately count, and who can accurately say, just when any or all of them will attack?
Terry Gain says
I read an article a few years ago that said it takes 30 police officers to monitor one suspected terrorist. Money that could be used to research a cure for cancer and help the homeless is being spent to keep us safe from Islam, as if adherents of that
conquest ideology have a right to come here and destroy our culture. This is insane.
mortimer says
The cost of Islam is ruinous. Islam ruins countries by making them unstable, dysfunctional and filled with conspiracies.
gravenimage says
True, Terry and Mortimer. Osama bin Laden said one of his main goals with 9/11 was to bankrupt the West.
Ashley says
To further your point, Terry:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11251792/Only-a-fraction-of-terror-suspects-can-be-watched-247.html
Terry Gain says
Thank you Ashley. I am going to do a FOI Request and ask how many suspected terrorists are under surveillance in Canada and the cost. I will request particulars under the following: Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Unitarians, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Quakers, Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Taoists, Zoroastrians and adherents of any other ideologies that come to mind.
Any suggestions?
gravenimage says
Good for you, Terry! If you hear back, please let us know what you have found.
Giacomo Latta says
Allow me to add a slightly cynical ”good luck with that.” Muslims probably fall under the category of ”miscellaneous” in Liberal statistics.
gravenimage says
Probably so, Giacomo.
observer says
Insane it is !!!!
But the West IS insane.
Completely in the sway of jihad…
We’re all going down the slippery slope fast as you can say Jack Spratt.
That’s the bottom line.
We’ll have to wait for justice in the next world bec we’re not going to get it from our Western leaders (…with regrettably too few exceptions).
After they’ve killed all of us, their own devilish kind will start demolishing one another, which is when they might wake up from their not-so-grand delusion. We’ll all be standing on the sidelines cheering them on & wishing them well in the scrum.
Perhaps we should all hitake heart that it is just a very small minority of the adherents of the false prophet who are violent jihadists. Most adherents of islam are kind, generous people …..as I am reminded by Mortimer when frustration & anger run away with me.
Just a pity that this small minority is swallowing the West whole !
I have this lovely image of almost all Western leaders, politicians & citizens in a state of deep slumber alongside Rip van Winkel.
So help me God !
James Lincoln says
100% true, Terry Gain.
The “coefficient of drag” created by muslims allowed in by Western countries is enormous…
elee says
Hey all who posted here you are absolutely right. I submit that Britain needs to update and upgrade its sentencing laws. Damages from the havoc they—Muslim jihadis—- wreak—-wrongful deaths, victim medicals, lost income & property damage—-should be a joint and several liability of the jihadi and whoever put him up to it including imams mosques and charitable foundations. These damages should include all costs for government security and emergency services required to neutralise them. And jihadis, at least and if not all paroled inmates, should defray the costs of their supervision as a condition of early release, and get revoked and reimprisoned whenever they fail to do so.
mortimer says
What an idiot anti-terror chief Neil Basu is to admit he cannot watch all 3,000 terrorists in UK. That is encouraging and emboldening them.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, I have a lot of issues with the hapless dhimmi Neil Basu, but his actually telling the public the truth is not one of them.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Quaere: Have any economists attempted to add up the total cost to the Western world — North America, Europe, South America, Australia –in salaries for the extra police hired to keep track of terrorists in their countries, to bring to justice those who have plotted or carried out such terrorism, and to imprison them at state expense, for long periods. Think of the gigantic sums going to the anti-terrorist police, to prosecutors, state-paid defense lawyers, judges, prison guards and new prisons.. Think of the payments for more anti-terror guards at airports, on airplanes, at train and subway and bus stations, outside churches and synagogues, near monuments or buildings of national significance (e.g. ,the Statue of Liberty, the Eiffel Tower, Buckingham Palace, the Capitol). In the last twenty years alone, hundreds of billions must have been spent because the Western world could not bring itself to prevent Muslim immigrants from arriving. For some reason we got it into our collective heads that our countries should be open to all those who want to come, though no one can explain why we have this suicidal duty. Jihad is not just a matter of terrorism. It is also a form of economic warfare, as Bin Laden said.Finally, the United States has so far spent two triillion dollars n Iraq and at least three billion in [Afghanistan, in order to create, semi-decent political regimes, where fanatical Islam could be held at bay.. It hasn’t happened in either place. In just those two countries, we have wasted at least five billion dollars. And there is no clear end in sight.
gravenimage says
Good questions, Hugh.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
“‘We CANNOT watch them all’: Scotland Yark [sic] anti-terror chief Neil Basu says officers don’t have resources to watch every 3,000 extremist suspects”
What Chief Basu is talking about is akin to painting yourself in the corner. But the Brits aren’t the only ones, the buckets of paint, the brushes have been out for decades in all of Western Europe, with the acrid stench of volatile organic compounds all about. A rhythm of religious motivated or enable rape, of murder and mass murder exists under a dome of growing fear of Moslems. Volatile indeed.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, APF.
WithPurpleAbandon says
“we simply cannot watch all of them”
Now there’s a simple truth. No interior intelligence agency can watch all of them, nor even some of them all the time.
I’ve heard this all before from French, Belgian and Dutch officials affiliated with intelligence agencies. It simply can’t be done. Any muslim who decides to act on his belief can suddenly rear his ugly terrorist head after slumbering in the background for years as a so-called “moderate” or “average” muslim. We have a gigantic reservoir of potential terrorists in the West nowadays, and we’re unable to look inside their heads until the damage is done.
Besides, Mohammed Merah had been placed under surveillance, and he still did the damage he felt necessary to prove his point. And that’s just the one example.
Michael Copeland says
Muslim Roulette.
gravenimage says
+1
WithPurpleAbandon says
Well, yes, quite so.
JK says
Exactly
OREN WYSOCKI says
Try scaling back on your search for white supremacists, since they appear not to be committing many terrorist acts. In G-d I trust.
Tom says
NO !!! If they are suspected of terrorist activity or have been convicted then DEPORT them all. It should not matter if they are UK citizens or not.”, they are terrorist activists and an imminent danger to innocent people, therefore deportation to their country of origin or of their parents or grandparents MUST be done expeditiously.
NO MORE appeasement. NO MORE accommodation. The only thing that must be considered is the safety of innocents.
“Anyone who puts the human rights of terrorists before the right to life of our children has no place in power.” Katie Hopkins.
“Having people live among us who reject basic Western values such as freedom, equality, tolerance and openness doesn’t make us strong. People who refuse to integrate into our society and want to live apart in their ghetto don’t make our society strong.” Maxime Bernier MP.
Such statements were once considered extreme. They are no longer extreme thanks to the actions and plans of Islamic jihadi’s and the apathetic non actions of our elected political leaders.
ntesdorf says
Scotland Yard seems finally to have noticed Terrorist – Muslims … Shut the doors, they’re coming through the windows. Shut the windows, they’re coming through the doors!
somehistory says
Well, the solution is: Don’t allow any more inside the country’s borders, keep those locked up who are locked up…for life or whack ’em if they have murdered any one…and boot those who are only “suspected” out, back to the country from whence they came. Send all of the untried rapers in those large moslim gangs back to pakistan or afghanistan, or syria, or iraq…from wherever they used to go about raping and the fathers of the girls could whack em, legally. Hint: there aren’t so many blond, blue-eyed British girls in those countries to attract the evil lusts of the moslim gangs.
On second thought, instead of allowing the rapists gangs to return to their home countries, whack them too. Rape should have the same penalty as murder.
Do that and there won’t be so many that they can’t be followed, arrested, tried and….Britain could return to the Tower days.
And, yes, I believe in capital punishment. Take a life like these creeps do and forfeit one’s own.
JK says
Bullseye ?
eduardo odraude says
Yet the left and others keep demanding that we bring in more and more of them. The UK government admits that it can no longer protect its own people, yet huge numbers are too afraid to oppose the status quo.
An immigration policy that is politically possible: a moratorium or drastic reduction on immigration from any nation that does not protect freedom of speech and freedom of religion. That policy would not even have to mention Muslims, and would affect not just them but also China and perhaps even parts of Europe. The policy could make exceptions for oppressed minorities who support freedom, and for dissidents and perhaps for scientists. It would not only help secure the liberal democratic world in its values. The policy would also put salutary pressure on authoritarian nations to start protecting free speech and freedom of religion.
Diganta Bhattacharya says
Why don’t you practise more ‘multi-culturalism’ and get in the habit of seeing your daughters wearing burqua-s and offering nemaz and allowing your girls to be married off at the age when she starts menstruating?
ALL these things are in the offing, people. Just wait n’ see.
tim gallagher says
Muslims are such a negative for any country that has let them in. As other commenters have pointed out, it costs a fortune keeping the potential Muslim terrorists under surveillance. Ideally, a report such as this one would make a country such as the UK say, well, no more Muslims, that way we can at least limit the damage they do. But, of course, there are already so many Muslims in the country that they have political clout and will always be lobbying to let more Muslims in. It would be great if they could push through laws that make it legal to deport all these potential terrorists, all 3000 that are mentioned in this report. These problems won’t be faced by Orban’s Hungary and the other Visegrad bloc countries because they won’t let any Muslims in in the first place, a very wise decision. Likewise, Japan and South Korea, who don’t let many Muslims in, and Burma, since they threw their Muslims out, won’t face the Muslim problem. Those countries may have other problems, but they won’t have to face the endless troubles that Muslims bring to any country foolish enough to let such barbaric knuckle draggers (in their views on so many aspects of life) in. Somehow I don’t think the UK or other western countries will get tough in the way they need to do, at least not yet.
gravenimage says
UK counterterror top dog: 3000 suspected jihadis and “we simply cannot watch all of them”
………………
A terrifying admission–but obviously true. Deport these scum, starting with the worst Jihadists.
SamB says
There is a solution for Britain, simply enshrine the Sharia into the constitution. In fact, nullify the British constitution it is an embarrassment to the government. All Brits who have been ill treated and savaged by Muslims had it coming. Islam is the true religion and henceforth, atheist , agnostics and Christians are not allowed to worship because it offends the Muslims. It will be easier to defend against passive people than aggressive Muslims. The only problem is that there won’t be enough space to place dissenters into jail…
Pete says
Send them back by the way of the Marianas Trench.
andrew mckendrick says
Why not target the jihadis` the way the British Establishment targeted Tommy Robinson? A few months of the treatment Tommy has had to put up with will have them claiming asylum from Pakistan.
JK says
Unfortunately it goes straight against their leftist principles
b.a. freeman says
” … hoped bystanders would raise the alarm about suspicious conduct and remain vigilant at all times…”
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right. report suspicious activity to a policeman, and the policeman arrests U for islamophobia. yeah, that’ll work.
f***ing dumba** fascists.
Firefox says
Well, duh!
Let more in – that should solve the problem.
Progressives loving the religion of peace, …’cuz votes!!
Progressive insanity.