Prisons in the UK have been breeding grounds for jihadis for years. No one wants to do anything about it, because that would mean restricting Islamic practice, and that would be “Islamophobic.”
Meanwhile, Sudesh Amman’s mum is giving the whole game away. We are constantly told that anyone who believes that jihad terrorists have anything to do with Islam are racist, bigoted “Islamophobes.” But here again we see a turn to devout observance of Islam accompany a turn toward terror activity. No authorities dare look at this phenomenon, but it keeps recurring.
“Man shot dead by British police wanted girlfriend to behead her parents,” by Michael Holden, Reuters, February 2, 2020:
LONDON (Reuters) – The man shot dead by police after wounding two people in a stabbing spree on a busy London street had been jailed for promoting violent Islamist material and had encouraged his girlfriend to behead her parents….
Amman’s mother told Sky News her son was a “nice, polite boy” who had been radacalized [sic] by watching extremists Islamist material online and became more religious while in prison….
“He was fine when I went to see him,” she told Sky. “He became more religious inside prison, that’s where I think he became radicalized. He was watching and listening to things online which brainwashed him.”
Buraq says
They say that ‘practise makes you perfect’. But practising Islam makes you imperfect! Clown!
terry sullivan says
deport the whole family
Shirley Ann says
I agree Terry, if the Authorities would deport the Whole Family (Extended Family) if a Member of the Family Commits an act of Terror, this would Stop a lot of Terrorists, NOT ALL, BUT A LOT. The Whole Family is Involved, you can Bet on it.
However, I don’t think any of our Western Rulers really care about the Fate of their own Citizens. My Opinion! Thank
gravenimage says
At the least, the whole family should be investigated.
Jayell says
“Amman’s mother told Sky News her son was a “nice, polite boy” who had been radacalized [sic] by watching extremists Islamist material online and became more religious while in prison….”
That’s pretty well exactly what the mother of the notorious Kray twins (East End gangsters) said about her two little angels. I like the way these muslims talk about ‘becoming religious’ when everyone else would describe the same process as ‘turning into criminal psychopaths’. And to what extent did this mother sow the seeds of her ‘nice, polite’ son’s religious (sic) awakening? Or do anything to stop it?
James Lincoln says
Jayell says,
“Amman’s mother told Sky News her son… became more religious while in prison….”
That is a true statement.
When a muslim becomes “more religious”, very bad things are very likely to happen…
mortimer says
‘Becoming more religious’ in Islam means that a Muslim becomes more JIHADIST … jihad is the HIGHEST DEED in the Mohammedan religion … more important than PRAYER.
Jayell says
I suppose that this comes back to the business of calling islam a ‘religion’ when from the first it was never any more than a crude totalitarian political ideology with a sham religious front. So when its followers ‘become religious’ that would be the deliberately spurious islamic interpretation of the whole idea of a ‘religion’, which any reasonably educated and civilised person would see to be ‘political’; and in the case of islam, that would mean totalitarian and (with its heavy arabic bias) institutionally racist.
Wellington says
Seconded, James. The more devout the Muslim the worse it is for good things like freedom, equality under the law, women’s rights, the capacity to apologize for past wrongdoings, a true Golden Rule for all, and not to mention (though I am about to do so) fine pork products and well-made beer.
Indeed, I think it should be asked, must be asked, what Islam gets right? Can’t think of one damn thing right now, with the possible perverse exception of Muslims oppressing and slaying other Muslims when they’re not busy oppressing and slaying non-Muslims.
Old Fat Bald Socially Inept Ron says
Hey Britain maybe the answer to this phenomenon could be found in the scriptures of Islam?
Nah.
PRCS says
Assuming that his ‘mum’, Haleema Faraz Khan, is a Muslim:
Dear mum,
1. As a Muslim, as a ‘believer’, Is there any aspect of Islam–your complete way of life, your unyielding theocracy,–which is antithetical to, incompatible with, or which runs afoul of British law?
2. Please explain these terms:
Extremist
Radicalized
Fundamentalist
gravenimage says
Good questions.
Christopher Watson says
Oh, dear. What a shame. He lived in the greatest country on earth, where he had every chance of a free education and a good life, but no he wanted to give it up for a 7th century religion which wanted him to stab people. In 10 days days time no one will remember his name; or if they do there will be a very rude adjective in front. Amman’s mother says he was a ‘nice’ boy. No, he wasn’t. He was a failure from birth. He couldn’t achieve anything because he was too stupid and never would achieve anything.
James Lincoln says
Christopher Watson,
You have given an excellent description of someone who is totally wasted his life.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Christopher.
Tom says
“A nice polite boy” who promoted radicalization and told his girlfriend that her parents should be beheaded. It amazes me what is considered to be polite in such circumstances.
Is this the view that parents of radicalized young people have in the Muslim community? If so then perhaps that community, and any other that sees their budding terrorists as “polite”, should be re-assessed for inclusion in civilized western society.
The claim by his mother that he became more religious when in jail shows that his progression to actual terror action is directly associated not only to her terrible parenting, but also to direct obedience to Islam’s Koranic verses.
Bottom line is there appears to be a different level of tolerance for radicalization in Muslim homes and families than there is in the average western family.
Incompatibility is blatantly obvious between Islam and western societal values.
Jayell says
They’re not UK material, end of story. They simply invited themselves in to use the facilities and never had the slightest intention of obeying the club rules. If this were a private organisation, they’d have had their membership cards taken off them decades ago.
underbed cat says
Religious support in prisons is not smart when it comes to the Islam. Supplying Qurans and imams takes it in the opposite direction, and reinforces why they ended up in prison and if they get out, back in prison, jihad.In between the arrests they again target non blelievers which if fundamental, this is the sticky problem of not defining Islam correctly.
elee says
Hear hear! Giving criminals access to this stuff is like encouraging child molesters to watch kiddie porn. If you are subsidising provision of Korans and imams to violent criminals through your British taxes, tell your MP to knock it off.
James Lincoln says
+1
gravenimage says
Spot on, underbed cat, elee, and James.
R Russell says
We need a used cruise ship anchored well offshore as a prison ship for jihadis. No non-Muslims for them to force to convert. Just jihadis with top security. Then there might be a strong gale……
Walter Sieruk says
As for the mother of the murderous jihadist of London when she said “he became more religious inside prison.”
The tragic reality is that ,many times , the more devout to Islam a Muslim is the more violent and dangerous he may become. This is because the more religious ,as in the more committed to Islam it’s devoted Muslim goal to follow all the information contained in the ‘holy book ‘ of Islam the Qu ‘ran. which includes violence and killing of people who are non-Muslims in the jihad for Islam. As found in ,for example 2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4.
That Muslim/jihadist stabbing assaults and murders in the United Kingdom as well as the other jihadists deadly violence in other countries of Europe had been foreseen in the last century, as the following essay explains.
For in a well-researched book with title of JIHAD IN THE WEST published in the year 1998 authored by Paul Fregosi ,was a man who was thinking ,a bit ahead of his time ,as in before 9/11 and then many Islamic horrors of jihad terrorism that hit London, Manchester, Madrid Paris as well as other Western nations of Europe .For above mentioned book of page 411 reads “Most worrying , both Islam and the West see each other as potential enemies of tomorrow .The future is a source of concern , not of optimism.”
For this year of 2019 in the “future” as seen from the time-frame of the year 1998 when that book was published. As the author thus had a valid point in what he wrote in the above quote .
Moreover the threats of the jihadists towards the people of the nations of West .This has been further explained and revealed by in the book , by Robert Spencer ,THE HISTORY OF THE JIHAD FROM MUHAMMAD TO ISIS .Which in page 367 informs the reader that “The early twenty- first century saw a sharp rise in jihad massacres perpetrated all over the West by individuals or small groups of Muslims: in London, Manchester, Paris, Toulouse, Nice ,Amsterdam, Madrid, Brussels, Berlin Munich ,Copenhagen…”
Those jihadists /Muslims with their insidious jihad-minded Muslims scheming for the subtle and not so subtle, Islamic conquest of Europe by every possible means, including the stealth and violent jihad which is, indeed, awful.
As explained by William Wagner in his book HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD .Which informs the reader n page 195 “Of all the continents of the world, Europe is probably the number one target by Muslim strategist who are seeking world dominance.”
Therefore, all Europeans and other Westerners would be wise to be on guard.
James Lincoln says
Walter Sieruk,
Much thanks for the book recommendations.
I think I’ll start with JIHAD IN THE WEST by Paul Fregosi…
Conrad says
Let us be under no illusion, to call this vile sect of assassin’s a religion is to sanction the continuation of the practice of murder on our streets by these cowards, who are propped up by the very system which they are attempting to destroy. Internment is the only answer together with the hanging of any perpetrator of such atrocities committed in the name of… *insert your own term here*… This cannot and must not continue, the authorities must acknowledge that this is war.
Geoffrey Jellineck says
He became “more religious” and “brainwashed” at the same time. Well, I didn’t wanna say it, but yeah. These things are one in the same with Islam.
mortimer says
HERE is the problem: London jihadi’s mother says “he became more religious inside prison”
WHAT IN THE BLOODY HELL ARE BRITISH PRISON AUTHORITIES DOING TO CHANGE THAT?
Rufolino says
They can’t do anything ! Any suggestions are likely to be “islamophobic”. And therefore worse than any act of terrorism.
mortimer says
Quote: “her son was a “nice, polite boy”. Of course he was.
IT’S THE IDEOLOGY OF ‘JIHADISM’, STUPID!
Islam’s jihad ideology claims that conducting JIHAD is the HIGHEST DEED in Islam … more important than prayer.
gravenimage says
UK: London jihadi’s mother says “he became more religious inside prison”
…………………….
How often have we heard *this*?
Of course, this Jihadist was already pretty religious, or else he would not have been in prison for Jihad in the first place…
Barguest says
Indeed GI, but I love the fact that Amman’s mother just tacitly admitted to something we here have known all along: a causal link between becoming more devoutly islamic and becoming a violent psychopath.
In letting the cat out of the proverbial in this way her co-religionists – the more devout ones of course – may just decide she’s become an apostate, and start calling for the appropriate punishment for that particular ‘crime’. There’d be a certain poetic justice in that.
gravenimage says
True, Barguest.
Arthur says
every time criminals are little, nice, polite angels according to their families and neighbours
Brian Shield says
While the politicians mess around with yet more excuses for allowing jihadi strikes to continue in the UK on the streets, the 200 plus hard cases of professional head choppers in the prison system await release at the end of the week. What to do? More useless de-radicalisation mumbo jumbo, more free time outside the cell in an an act of deception, where more Islamic murder is planned. Islam is a totalitarian construct and it is only a draconian top down counter terrorist strategy which will control these fucking animals. For all its faults, the Chinese re-education camps for uighur muslims, to turn Islam into Atheism, have been remarkably successful, turning infantile jihadi thugs into docile sheep and goats, moreover, the brainwashing process is conducted in the Chinese language, devilish to learn if not known and used as an efficient tool of behaviour management. After 12-18 months, even Anjem Choudary would have been rendered unrecognisable, reconfigured into a babbling village idiot. That is a…vegetable. This is now the game, how to make vegetables out of grown Muslim men who retain a mentality of a 4 year old decapitating a non-Muslim hostage. Rather than allow Whawei to steal our intellectual properties, I think it makes sense for the UK government to hire the Chinese to move the whole Muslim population in the UK prison system and re-make them into angels.
john says
More Religious in islam just means he followed the quran 100% , BAN this Barbaric Totalitarian Ideology of SAVAGES from all Civilisations. Ideology of the Devil,s Advocates.
Kavan Sherwood (@TattoedMan77) says
The mother was telling the usual TAQIYA(lying to the kaffir)
The Hadith of Sahih Bukhari has a book entitled Number 56: JIHAD. (Shhh don’t tell the Kaffir)
Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) saying, “The example of a Mujahid in Allah’s Cause– and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause—-is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty.”
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الْيَمَانِ، أَخْبَرَنَا شُعَيْبٌ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ، أَنَّ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ “ مَثَلُ الْمُجَاهِدِ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ـ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ يُجَاهِدُ فِي سَبِيلِهِ ـ كَمَثَلِ الصَّائِمِ الْقَائِمِ، وَتَوَكَّلَ اللَّهُ لِلْمُجَاهِدِ فِي سَبِيلِهِ بِأَنْ يَتَوَفَّاهُ أَنْ يُدْخِلَهُ الْجَنَّةَ، أَوْ يَرْجِعَهُ سَالِمًا مَعَ أَجْرٍ أَوْ غَنِيمَةٍ ”.
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2787
In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 6
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 46
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David says
I remember a Sikh colleague of mine telling me at least 15 years ago (about the time of the 2nd Gulf War) that prisoners were being converted to Islam.
So it does not surprise me in the least if this intellectually-challenged, naive and gullible teenage thug became more “religious” in prison. He no doubt met many other muslim thugs in prison (as well as visiting imans of course) who would have bolstered his antipathy to the West and to all non-muslims.
What can we do about this?
1) Separate prisons for muslims convicted of terrorist activities so they do not have the chance to mix with non-muslims.
1) Do not allow imans to visit prisoners.
2) Do not allow muslim prisoners to hold Friday prayers.
3) Do not allow Korans in prison.
4) Do not pander to their dietary requirements.
5) Solitary confinement for convicted muslim murderers.
gravenimage says
Agreed. They should not be allowed in with the Infidel prison population, nor be pandered to.
Giacomo Latta says
It seems no prisoner in the UK is a case, just a number. Today, 2 in, 3 out.