What are the chances that Taiseer Hussein and his followers will be loyal, patriotic American citizens?
“We were with Allah’s Messenger in an expedition that there came a people to Allah’s Apostle from the direction of the west. They were dressed in woollen clothes and they stood near a hillock and they met him as Allah’s Messenger was sitting. I said to myself: Better go to them and stand between him and them that they may not attack him. Then I thought that perhaps there had been going on secret negotiation amongst them. I however, went to them and stood between them and him and I remember four of the words (on that occasion) which I repeat (on the fingers of my hand) that he (Allah’s Messenger) said: You will attack Arabia and Allah will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack Persia and He would make you to conquer it. Then you would attack Rome and Allah will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack the Dajjal and Allah will enable you to conquer him. Nafi’ said: Jabir, we thought that the Dajjal would appear after Rome (Syrian territory) would be conquered.” (Sahih Muslim 6930)
“Taiseer Hussein of Hizb ut-Tahrir America: We Will Conquer Rome and Liberate India and Spain,” MEMRI, January 19, 2020:
Taiseer Hussein, a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir America, said in a speech at a January 19, 2020 conference held by Hizb ut-Tahrir America in Glendale Heights, IL that Allah promised to the Islamic nation that it will inherit the Earth in its entirety. He said that the Prophet Muhammad had prophesied that Islam would conquer Constantinople and Rome and that a Caliphate will be established, and he prayed that the latter two prophecies would soon be fulfilled just as the first had been. Emphasizing that these prophecies cannot come true if Muslims “implement disbelief” or follow the corruption of the West, Hussein said that the Islamic nation will re-establish the Caliphate, conquer Rome, and liberate Palestine, Kashmir, India, and Spain, which he said is also occupied Islamic land. The conference was titled “Help of Allah Is Near.”
Taiseer Hussein: “Allah promised this Islamic nation in this Quran that the Islamic nation will inherit the earth, that the Islamic nation will rule over this earth. Not just part of the earth – the Earth.
[…]
“Clearly, these hadiths remind us about glad tidings that the Prophet gave us. These are: Number one – the opening [i.e. conquest] of Constantinople. Number two – the opening [conquest] of Rome. Rome? Which Rome? Are you talking about Rome, in Italy? The Vatican? That Rome? Yes, indeed, that Rome. How did you know? The hadith said so.
[…]
“Have you come across that [event in] history that Rome was opened [conquered] since that hadith [was narrated]? Nope. So that is our chance. That is our chance, Allah willing, that Rome will be opened [conquered] by the promise of Allah, which was mentioned in this hadith of the Prophet Muhammad. Then the third glad tiding is the resumption of the Caliphate on the method of the Prophet. Among these three glad tidings, one has been fulfilled, which is the opening [conquest] of Constantinople. The rest will be fulfilled soon, Allah willing.
[…]
“We, as a nation, will witness, Allah willing, the return of the Caliphate upon the method of the Prophet and then as a nation, we will open [conquer] Rome and liberate Palestine and the rest. We pray to Allah to make us among those who will witness this achievement and these glad tidings. But brothers and sisters, be sure, that these glad tidings will never come through following and implementing disbelief in all of its forms, or by following the corruption and the corrupt politics and policies of the West, or by seeking support and friendship from the likes of the U.S., Britain, U.N., the Security Council, name them, for these are partners in the criminality and in preventing the nation from returning and uniting under Islam.
[…]
“We have no doubt that Allah will deliver His promise and grant us the Caliphate upon the method of the Prophethood. Under its leadership, Rome will be opened [conquered], Kashmir will be liberated, India will be liberated, Palestine will be liberated, Andalusia… Sometimes we forget about Andalusia, which is known as Spain. That land was ours for 800 years and it is under occupation, such as Kashmir, such as Palestine.”
John Kendall says
They have to go back. They don’t belong in our society. We r truly idiots bringing in everybody & anybody from all over the world. It is a fatal mistake, we r losing our country.
James Lincoln says
Agree, John.
TruthSeeker says
Who will make them go back is the question. They know very well how to use the laws and the constitution to serve their needs. To top it all they have made the hijab the face of persecution. Anything anyone says against them becomes islamophobic.
gravenimage says
We are starting to see some good signs:
“Trump administration launches new unit to strip US citizenship from foreign-born terrorists”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/02/trump-administration-launches-new-unit-to-strip-us-citizenship-from-foreign-born-terrorists
Glen says
Yes we need to see more of the same from Boris. I think its too late for Europe and in particular France but the US & UK are in with a chance. Also as Poland & Hungary along with a few others they will become great countries and leave the European Quagmire. Watch that space.
gravenimage says
Glen, I don’t want to cede *any* of the West to Islam.
PRCS says
If they’re born here, they’re NOT ‘going back’.
If they commit a crime, they should be arrested, charged, tried, convicted and sentenced as appropriate.
Like every other native born U.S. Citizen.
The only logical game plan is for our neighbors and fellow citizens to be told, to learn that Islam is not ‘just another religion’ but a supremacist theocracy and that it’s goal is world domination.
So long as they think/believe otherwise, Muslims will continue to make progress toward that goal.
At this time, CAIR and other Muslim group have a solid game plan.
UVG says
I don’t know much about the Uighurs in China but I don’t think De:radicalisation camps/a special kind of probation are a bad idea perse.
PRCS says
That works in Communist China.
Roger Woodhouse says
The banning of this foul creed called Islam will hopefully cause a mass exodus of these misguided people.Those who choose to remain will know exactly where they stand.We now need a leader here in Britain to make that decision.
Roger Woodhouse says
Dont worry.Allah wont be willing.In fact he wont have any say in the matter.We the people ,Christians’ of Europe will see off these backward barbarians .The time is fast approaching and with the ‘right kind’ of leadership Allah and his followers will be regretting ever setting foot on our soil.
Wellington says
Just one more piece of evidence (as if anymore was needed) why Islam surely is, as I have asserted many times here at JW, the turd in the punch bowl of world religions.
There is no Allah, the Koran is a hate manual, Mohammed’s character is that of a brutal, narcissistic psychopath and 1.6 billion Muslims are a curse to mankind.
For God’s sake, Muslims can’t even run their own effing 56 pathetic countries with anything approaching freedom, graciousness and a true Golden Rule for all. Why in the Hell should anyone of sense and knowledge think that they can bring any benefit to non-Muslim nations?
Enough already. Islam sucks. Completely so. Proceed from this starting point.
Frank Anderson says
Wellington, I suggest you are merely “cursing the darkness” instead of lighting a candle. Islam may be definition be a religion, It is almost certainly by definition a cult. But, under US law, it is a criminal conspiracy. Look at the cases and definitions to see for yourself. PLEASE.
gravenimage says
Frank, Wellington “lights candles” here all the time.
And Islam may indeed be a criminal conspiracy, but I doubt you could successfully prosecute it as such in the friendliest court in the nation. If you have legal information that suggests otherwise, I would *love* to hear it.
Frank Anderson says
GI, if anyone does basic legal research on the subject of criminal conspiracy, one of the most prominent and definitive cases mentioned comes from the United States District Court for the Southern District of Alabama. In United States v. Gary Greenough, the trial court wrote an extended explanation worthy of review. The case is available online, and at the West Reporter, at 609 F.Supp 1090. That conviction was upheld on appeal to the 5th Circuit at 782 F.2d 1556 (1986), also available online.
I agree with Wellington quite completely. We need to get past the darkness and work on solving the problem instead of endless complaining how dark and evil it is.
The SHORT description of a criminal conspiracy, which also applies to a civil conspiracy in a suit between private parties, is 1) An agreement, 2) Between 2 or more persons, 3) For an illegal purpose or to use illegal means and 4) ANY overt act by ANY member in furtherance of the goals of the conspiracy. I have connected these elements with the facts several times, and if you wish, can do it again. The law is there. It can be enforced as a criminal action in federal or state court if a prosecutor will pursue the case, or in civil court by a private party who can show itself to be qualified as a Real Party in Interest who can direct a suit against another properly qualified Real Party in Interest..
“Please consult a currently licensed attorney practicing in your jurisdiction for any legal advice.”
gravenimage says
Frank, for what it’s worth, I *did* ask a currently licensed lawyer about whether he thought that Islam could be prosecuted as a criminal conspiracy, since you had mentioned it before. Now, his area of expertise is not criminal law–he is a Georgia probate attorney–but I still wanted to get his take on it since he is a practicing lawyer.
His first response was *really*? When I assured him it was a serious question, he said that while it was quite possible to have individuals named as participating in a conspiracy in a specific crime, that convicting an ideology of being a conspiracy would basically be impossible.
Of course, he did not research the matter, and he is not a criminal lawyer, but he said he was *quite* sure this could never work. Just one opinion, of course, but that was pretty much the answer I expected. It cost me an extra half-hour of billing to hear his opinion, as well.
Frank Anderson says
GI there are more or less 1.5 million US lawyers looking for cases that have the money to pay their fees. A lawyer with no background either in research or litigation on a subject is a very weak source for advice. I have spent since 1982 both living and litigating these issues. My research has been “blessed” by a number of lawyers with academic and professional credentials far exceeding mine. One of my law school professors, who served a term as US Attorney told me that my research was sound, as has the Executive Director and General Counsel of the primary bar where I am a member on retired status.
I have seen many prospective clients who are so eager to obtain free legal advice that they will jump at the chance to obtain it, even when it leaves them less informed than they should be. I spent most of the 2 years that I was in accounting school writing my 2 research articles in preparation for the litigation that followed for almost 15 years. Unless supported by research and experience, a lawyer’s advice that is based on what is remembered from law school and bar review courses is probably incomplete.
Please consult a currently licensed attorney practicing in your jurisdiction for any legal advice.
gravenimage says
Frank, as I noted, this legal advice was not free–I was charged for it.
If you think that getting Islam named as a criminal conspiracy is the way to go, perhaps you should contact the Thomas More Law Center–which Robert Spencer works with–and pursue it?
Frank Anderson says
GI, I retired after surgery that left me with chest pains whenever I went into courtrooms. A lawyer who takes a case must “self certify” that he is prepared both physically and professionally to complete the representation. Daring me to commit suicide is not productive for either of us. Robert Spencer wants to deal with SPLC, for good reason. Using SPLC’s approach to its dealing with the KKK could be a good model.
A number of ways are possible to challenge islam. One might be to find an injured plaintiff, and take a suit against all who “aid, abet, counsel and act in furtherance” of the wrong that injured the plaintiff. One of the questions on the bar examination I took and passed almost 40 years ago was when is it permissible for a lawyer the solicit representing a previously unknown client. The answer is when the case is so compelling to the lawyer that he is willing to take the case without fee. So what about the tens, hundreds or thousands of thousands of dollars of expenses over and above the fees? Somebody has to pay them.
Another possibility is follow one of the reported mosque inspired vandalism events in the US with a suit for damages and an effectively declaratory judgement action showing the violence and hatred that are inherent in the “final, perfect, complete and unchangeable” teachings of islam. Again, find a client who is injured and the money to conduct the case.
The only potential plaintiff that has the money and resources already in hand to conduct a meaningful prosecution of a conspiracy case against actual involved conspirators is the government, federal or state. But remember, “actual, involved” can be extremely broad: all who “aid, abet, counsel or act in furtherance”. A few successful prosecutions would lead to more and make further illegal conduct far less likely and more painful for the perpetrators.
Sitting at keyboards wondering what to do is more of deck chair arrangement of the Titanic.
gravenimage says
Frank, I *assure you* I was not daring you to commit suicide. You know I have expressed concern over your health here many times before.
That’s why I suggested possibly contacting the Thomas More Law Center to see if they were interested in taking the case.
And–with the greatest respect–I don’t think that idea exchanged here are necessarily not of use in the real world. Many people comment here *and* act in the world against Islam as well.
Roger Woodhouse says
I dont know about the American legal system but I suspect it runs very much along the same lines as here in Britain.IE it exists for the benefit of the establishment and can be interpreted in many ways and usually (,in anti establishment cases is done for the benefit and favour of said establishment.
FYI says
May I be Frank with you Frank?
Islam appears to be both a Religion AND a Cult because on the surface it seems like a religion{..clergy,rituals,’holy’ book,’holy’ days…} but at the center of it is the cult of muhammed,a cult that elevates the prophet of islam above allah.
{Notice how muslims don’t care too much about allah being insulted but any imagined slight to muhammed and they’ll be rolling about spitting and screaming at you with rage and hate:surely no prophet can be above the god of a religion}
Except in islam:which means that the cult of muhammed is really at the heart of what appears to be the religion of islam.
Like an apple:the surface may appear shiny on the outside{the religion of “peace”} but the core {The Doctrine of Hate al walaa wal baraa,the immoral koran,the antisemitism and antichristianity,the jihadism,the glorification of muhammed etc} is completely rotten.
screw u says
If we want to get technical, there is another cult that operates world wide that is not viewed as a threat.
It practices stylized cannibalism, stylized drinking of blood, they believe that the world is going to end and that only members of their religion will be saved.
The heads of the cult cover up child sexual abuse, rapes, illegitimate children of their clergy and many more crimes against humanity.
They have for many years treated women as little more than breeding machines and at one point believed that women didn’t have souls. That black people don’t have souls.
And the big kicker, this cult is more commonly called The Roman Catholic Church.
So, just be careful how you think of the Islamists as being a cult! Incredibly evil, but not a cult or religion.
Frank Anderson says
FYI, I had a boss almost 50 years ago who ran that “Frank, I’ll be Frank with you” in the ground. It was tired and worn out then and has not been revitalized.
I don’t care if islam is a religion or a cult. There is nothing to gain by a dog chasing his own tail around in circles. As long as I have been reading here, apparently helpless people wring their hands in indecision because they are stuck in that endless chase. More than once, I came to my beloved uncle’s house to find family members wringing their hands, “What do we do? What do we do? What do we do?” because my uncle could not breath because of congestive heart failure. As soon as I walked in and saw what was going on I would say, “Okay Grump, let’s go!” and take him to the hospital to get the excess water out of his body. This went on many times for several years.
There is NOTHING contrary to the law in being a religion or a cult. THERE IS everything contrary to the law in being a conspiracy to make war, conquer, kill, enslave and loot the world. The oldest case I remember studying in law school dealt with the question of when one may use deadly force in self defense. In that case, which I have made every effort since to find so that I can cite it, an archer shot dead a man who was about to throw a bottle/jar of flammable liquid onto a wooden fortification, called in the case a “keep”. The judge ruled that it was not necessary to wait until the container was thrown and the keep burned down before the fatal arrow was fired.
Islam has in 1400 years killed between 250 and 1000 Million human beings. It has enslaved Milliards/Billions more. It aspires to kill or enslave the world, and has announced its intention which it practices daily, to continue. Every element of a conspiracy is satisfied.
Wellington says
screw u: Frankly, you’re a fool. Your moral equivalency thinking which posits the Roman Catholic Church as in any way comparable to what Islam intends for all mankind is rooted in ignorance of the grossest kind. Yeah, Roman Catholic suicide bombers are all over the place, now aren’t they? Moreover, sexual abuse in the Catholic Church, most certainly disgusting and inexcusable, is completely CONTRARY to Catholic doctrine, contra Islam which actually condones child marriages and even rape (for the latter see Suras 4, 23, 33 and 70 in the Koran).
And your contention that the RC Church EVER maintained that women and blacks don’t have souls is DEAD WRONG. Cite the evidence that the theological blueprint of Roman Catholicism EVER asserted this. I say you can’t. In fact, one of the reasons (there are many) why Roman Catholicism caught on very early is that it maintained that male and female souls are equal and thus attracted the female sex to its cause exponentially. Even enlightened ancient Greek philosophers like Aristotle taught otherwise so here Roman Catholicism was an advancement. And let’s not forget that the most honored human being in Roman Catholicism is a woman, i.e., Mary, the mother of Jesus.
You are also DEAD WRONG that the RC Church teaches that only Roman Catholics can be saved. Roman Catholicism teaches that as long as one lives a Christ-like life, even if not a Christian, one can be saved. Many Protestant sects still do not teach this. Yes, I know that certain medieval Popes averred otherwise but Catholicism has evolved and has shown a capacity to accept new ideas. For example, Roman Catholicism under Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) was the FIRST Christian sect to accept that Darwinian evolution is compatible with Christian doctrine. Do you know any of this?
I could go on but when dealing with massive ignorance, such as yours, I figure only a limited amount of information should be presented at one time. BTW, I am an agnostic so don’t try the route of refuting me by way of calling me a Catholic or even a Christian.
Done here.
Frank Anderson says
W. I know that was not directed at me. All my life I have been blessed by many Catholic friends. I expect to attend the Catholic funeral of one of them this Saturday. Frank
gravenimage says
screw u seems pretty aptly named…
Wellington says
Most assuredly, Frank, my response to “screw u” was not directed at you. I have too much respect for you to even consider responding to you in such a way.
Frank Anderson says
W. my respect for you is equally strong. One of the benefits of real friendship is the ability to disagree and learn. Our disagreements are narrow and focused. We must find a way to change the direction we see happening now, or we will, in my opinion, see a repeat of Germany here in the US.
FYI says
@screw you
screw you:
I am not currently in the catholic church {or any church} but I know enough to say the following..
1]Child abuse is absolutely and unequivocally condemned by Catholicism and Christianity. Catholics themselves are NOT responsible for immoral clergy{who should have been defrocked} or incompetent church men{who should have been prosecuted and then forcibly resigned}After all,knowingly covering up child abuse is surely a serious CRIME.
Abusers cannot expect much sympathy or presume to be easily forgiven..if anyone is certain to be condemned it is an immoral pederast clergyman{who BTW have also been found in Protestantism,Judaism,islam etc.the Scouts,sports,medical profession…}
“If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me,it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea.How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lose their faith.Such things will always happen but how terrible for the one who causes them”
Matthew 18:6-7
That is a pretty clear and absolutely FEROCIOUS condemnation of damaging children.”How terrible for the one who causes them” to be damaged spiritually, physically or emotionally.
2]It is not true that catholics think that they alone will be saved.
3]Catholics do not practice “stylized cannabalism” or “stylized drinking of blood” as if they were vampires.Ridiculous!
4]I never ever heard this one: “Black people don’t have souls”
{There are black people who are catholics:you know that don’t you?Excellent African men like Cardinal Robert Sarah…”the man who should be pope”:I am sure he would laugh,as a cardinal at the nonsense about Black people not having souls.I mean he is a CARDINAL within the catholic church}
5} “They believe that world is going to end”:So do Protestants.
It is called the Parousia or Second Coming of Christ {and it is NOT actually the end of the World…}
6}men and women are equal before God in christianity.
in islam by contrast a woman is HALF the value of a muslim man k2:282 because allah is a misogynist who hates women and sends them to hell for the terrible crime of being TAKFURNA{ungrateful} Sahih muslim 241
I make no excuses for the RCC hierarchy or church administrators who are responsible for their Church {and should be brought to account for their failure to deal with pederasts},hampered as they are by a leftist marxist politician of a pope: but NOTHING you say about Catholicism is true.
Screw you:You appear to have screwed yourself.
James Lincoln says
Frank Anderson,
Found what appears to be a good article which takes the approach of regarding islam – and all its front groups – as a criminal conspiracy.
Not sure what the final outcome was.
Your comments regarding the article would be most valuable.
“CAIR Participated In A “Criminal Conspiracy” Led By Hamas: State Of Tennessee New Bill ~ Makes It A Felony To Knowingly help Terrorist Organization With Money, Advice Or Any Other Aid.”
https://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/02/25/cair-participated-in-a-criminal-conspiracy-led-by-hamas-state-of-tennessee-new-bill-makes-it-a-felony-to-knowingly-help-terrorist-organization-with-money-advice-or-any-other-aid/
As always, best wishes.
Frank Anderson says
James, one of the primary reasons for passing a law that covers what is already covered by existing law, both statutory and case authorities, is to pretend to do something while actually doing NOTHING.
Example-Sanctuary cities, counties and states are already violating federal obstruction of justice law, and Article 6 Clause 2, The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution, which says ‘[Federal law] shall be the Supreme Law of the land’ and the judges of every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.” Alabama felt the heat of the Supreme Court with its statute regarding libel and slander in New York Times v. Sullivan. Mississippi took more heat for the same reason in NAACP v, Claiborne Hardware. “A state court cannot enforce any rule of law regardless of its origin, that violates federal law.”
A new statute starts the process of appeal and definition all over again, while use of existing law brings with it the help of established precedents to “cut to the chase” and get convictions that will stand any appeal. There is a great advantage to try a case with at least some established law supporting it rather than to start with a “new” law that is probably redundant, vague, and subject to challenge for every reason imaginable. How many prosecutions have been “attempted” with the new law? How have they progressed? Assuming there is a “Tennessee Code Annotated” there ought to be some cases mentioned.
Recall Nashville is the home town of Bill Warner, whom I mention often as one of our worthy sources.
Wellington says
Not lighting a candle, Frank? Hmmm.
Well, if “only” Islam were seen as a religion BUT an evil religion I contend that measures against this heinous belief system would be advanced inordinately and quite appropriately.
Put another way, Frank, Islam seen or not seen as a religion is not paramount. Islam seen as evil, irrespective of it being a religion, is.
Besides, time is way overdue to no longer pursue the foolish route that if a belief system is evil it can’t possibly be a religion. Oh yes it can be. Islam is an example. Satanism too. The Aztec and Carthaginian religions which required human sacrifice certainly were. Ditto for the many Mesopotamian religions cursed in the Old Testament. And on and on and on here. So tired of the fallacious assumption that for a belief system to be a religion it must be good. Where the hell is this written?
As for cults, arguably every religion is a cult, even the good ones. Take it from here.
Frank Anderson says
Wellington, please review my comment to FYI. IT Makes no difference whether islam is a religion or cult. NONE whatever. It is a criminal conspiracy. Laws already exist both at the federal and state level against criminal conspiracy, and most if not all states have civil tort relief for conspiracy.
I ask you to think about your comments for the last several years. How many times have you been able to get past the “What do we do?” to make a suggestion of what can be done? My uncle would have died, stone cold dead, many times because of indecision. If we cannot get on with exploring possible solutions that MIGHT be worth trying, we will simply talk ourselves and the future into death and slavery. That is NOT what either of US want to see happen. That to me is the difference between the ACTION of lighting the candle, and the INACTION of cursing the darkness.
With great friendship and respect. Frank
Wellington says
Two points, Frank:
1) If only Islam were identified as an EVIL religion, this would be far more than enough to contain it I would argue. The fact that Islam is still treated as something good is the real problem.
2) Marxism and Nazism are also criminal conspiracies against what the Constitution established in America. Care to ban them? Again can be seen that proper identification in a free country is paramount and not the banning of, or banning the belief in, terrible ideas, including criminal conspiracies which should be able to exist in theory and be believed in by the confused but not allowed to be acted upon if injurious to the maintenance of liberty and the Constitution.
Proper characterization is the key, Frank. Liberty can withstand all challenges if only this occurs.
Frank Anderson says
Wellington, I had the opportunity to attend an SPLC event (fundraiser) at the local Jewish Temple. The story about their use of litigation to destroy a branch of the KKK connected with some pretty serious criminal conduct got my attention. The impact on that organization of the judgment obtained by SPLC was to destroy the branch of KKK and impress other branches into virtual silence.
Both of us have lived long enough to have heard many times, and probably passed on to others many times, “Learn from others’ mistakes: You can’t live long enough to make them all yourself.” I suggest a necessary corollary is to learn from others’ successes. There is no need to re-invent the wheel. The right case on the right facts, with the right professional talent and necessarily massive resources can make the change WE seek.
I have a friend who is a lawyer with 6 earned degrees. He has about the most outstanding academic record of anyone I know. He thrives on a “home run” theory while I because of my less distinguished record and resources follow a “base hit” theory. How many base hits does it take to score a run? What are the odds of scoring a run by base hits as compared to hitting a home run? Having tried many cases, many involving issues presented for the first time in the courts where I practiced, I learned that base hits produce enough runs to win. The goal is to show and establish legally the truth about islam. Taken one step at a time it can be done.
I will not repeat the detailed story about the brother I represented against his brother who was the majority owner of the family corporation. My client was accused of signing personal guarantees which he did not. The court “didn’t want to hear it!”. But I made the court hear it. The first time I did not win. The second time, a week later, I got closer. The third time, ONE week later, I won and forced the corporation into straight bankruptcy and took the “bad” brother out of control. That was ONE of the cases where a lawyer was put on the stand to testify against his client.
Experience and research make a difference.
maemae77 says
Actually. Islam by definition is a political totalitarian ideology. The “praying” part is actually a form of brainwashing. 17 times 5 times a day = 85 times they repeat that same “prayer” to their false prophet. According to the Quran Muhammad died in the way if he were to be a false prophet would die. Pain in the aorta. He was poisoned by a Jewish woman after he slaughtered her entire family. He suffered around two years in excruciating pain. His wife Aisha even said according to the Quran that she never seen anyone suffer in such way.
Frank Anderson says
maemae, meaning no disrespect or discourtesy to you I don’t think it makes any difference to non-muslims whether islam is a religion, cult, political ideology or criminal conspiracy to make war, conquer, enslave, loot and kill the world.
I do not see how endless proclamations of helplessness and frustration lead to any result other than inaction followed by the success of islam in its goals. Knowing what islam is about, its goals, practices and well documented history is far more beneficial than spending time trying to decide which pigeonhole its name should fit.
Many people writing here spend endless months proclaiming islam to be a religion or a cult, while totally ignoring that those words mean nothing and stop nothing. This is not a poll or an election. This is a war between liberty and life, and death and slavery. It was declared approximately 1400 years ago by the “final, perfect, complete and unchangeable” teachings that remain “final, perfect, complete and unchangeable” today.
PRCS says
By definition, it’s a theocracy: one which brooks neither competitors nor criticism and provides brutal punishments (even death) for those who leave ‘the faith’.
For that reason–all of ll of its other disgusting ‘teachings’ aside–it is unequivocally incompatible with the U.S. Constitution and relevant laws.
gravenimage says
Illinois: Muslim leader says “Allah will grant us the Caliphate….Under its leadership, Rome will be conquered”
…………………………..
And what is “Rome”? Seldom just the city–it is more Muslim shorthand for the whole of the West.
Hizb-ut-Tahrir should be designated a terror group and banned here. This thug Taiseer Hussein should be deported.
More:
We Will Conquer Rome and Liberate India and Spain
…………………………..
What does he mean by “liberate”? He means reconquer India and Spain, and put her native people back under the vicious oppressive Muslim heel.
bernie says
Native Italians in Italy have an average IQ of 102, the highest in Europe. Most Muslim nations in the world have an average IQ in the low 80s, which is more than half a deviancy level below that of the average Italian. And yes, I’m aware that national IQ assessments are controversial and don’t apply to every individual, but I think that they at least partly explain why Italy has produced so many excellent scientists, artists, inventors, writers, philosophers, musicians and so on, far outstripping the Muslim world on the whole. True, the Italians could do more to raise their low birth rate, and to modernize certain institutions there, but they are undeniably a gifted nation (and despite the small criminal elements, which can be found in any other ethnic group, ethnic Italians have also greatly contributed in beneficial ways to other countries (including the United States, Argentina, France, Canada, Germany, Australia, Brazil, the United Kingdom and elsewhere).
Sam Harris: “There are single zip codes in New York and Massachusetts which have contributed more to world scientifically, culturally, ethically, politically and artistically, than the entire Islamic world has done in the last 1000 years. And, if you think there is a trace of bigotry or racism in that statemnt, then you are lying to yourself.”
gravenimage says
Yes–I have noted that my alma mater alone–the University of California at Berkeley–has provided over 15 times the number of Nobel laureates of the entire Muslim world.
bernie says
Graven: true. Moreover, if one looks at the list of “top 500 universities in the world,” very few (if any) of them are from Muslim-majority countries, or tied with ones from nations which are non-Muslim majority.
I found the video which I mentioned: on youtube, search for “The Myth of the Islamic Golden Age” by Sam Harris. He also asks why it’s fairly easy for Westerners to condemn certain practices found in Hinduism, which fortunately have been steadily declining (such as the sutee, or live immolation of widows, or rampant harsh treatment of Dalits), but Westerners are reluctant to condemn widespread barbaric practices currently found in parts of the Muslim world (e.g. FGM, vicious persecution of non-Muslims, terrorist/jihadist attacks, so-called “honor killings,” pedophilia, pederasty, killings of apostates and homosexuals, and so on), for fear of being labelled “bigoted,” “racist” or “Islamophobic.”
gravenimage says
True, bernie.
FYI says
The New Shahada Ver 2.0
“There is no god “allah”:That’s just muhammed’s Sock Puppet”
1]allah the muslim ARAB god calls himself the champion deceiver {koran 3:54}
2]allah’s prophet muhammed{PBUH poison be the undoing of him} said
“I have fabricated things against God and attributed to him things he has not said”
Al Tabari 6:111
{muslims hate this reference:they will say allah subsequently cancelled it ou.how convenient!}
So allah admits to being a champion at deceiving people and muhammed admits to being a liar.That is from islamic sources.
“There is no god but allah{the champion deceiver k3:54} and muhammed{ a self-confessed fraud al tabari 6:111} is his prophet”: a false god and a false prophet.
If muhammed, who admitted to being a fraud, is the prophet of a god who admits to being a champion deceiver why should anyone believe in allah/muhammed?
Wilfred says
Do these crazy freakin muslims think that the rest of the world is just going to stand by & let these maniacs go on a crazy riot. Forget conquering the US which is like dreaming with your eyes open, these freaks can never manage to pull a hair out of India in a war. The only reason Pakistan is still surviving is because politicians from both ruling & opposing parties need a punching bag now and then for political bashing and votebank politics. These Pakistani supporting mentally challenged underdeveloped clowns will not survive a week if they fight a war with India. Sure Muhammed will have to come & personally fight a war with the US & probably die a thousand deaths before conquering the US. Brainwashed by birth & criminalised since childhood that’s the whole story with no happy endings.
Eur says
The big problem is that all Muslims are pro theocracy. Muslims aspire for society to be governed by religious laws and really believe that Islam guarantees freedom for non-Muslim minorities as long as these minorities accept theocratic rules … that is, they neither accept democracy nor freedom, only the Islamic theocracy.
PRCS says
Correct, re: Islam (and its followers).
PRCS says
Mar 4, 2020 at 7:22 pm
By definition, it’s a theocracy: one which brooks neither competitors nor criticism and provides brutal punishments (even death) for those who leave ‘the faith’.
For that reason–all of ll of its other disgusting ‘teachings’ aside–it is unequivocally incompatible with the U.S. Constitution and relevant laws.
David Grisez says
This is another example of how dangerous is the ideology of Islam. This person talks clearly about Islam conquering the world and establishing the Islamic Caliphate. This all the more reason that Muslim immigration into the United States and other nations must be stopped.
Westman says
Islam doesn’t stand a chance of fulfilling Taiseer Hussein’s Islamic fantasies. Islam was already falling behind the West’s modernizing developments when the US was being born. It was made obvious when the Ottoman Empire was dismantledvas a result of WWI.
Today military strength is a matter of directed intelligence more than brute force, while Islam has mostly the latter. There will never be another “successful” Caliphate. Islamic practices have led to an overall intelligence deficit through close relative marriages and useless redundant ritual that imparts no new knowledge while gobbling up mental energies. As a result, Islamic states will never reach the ability to conquer the West.
There is no unity in Islam, and never was since the Sunni-Shia split. A universally recognized Caliphate requires unity which is sorely lacking in Islam. The OIC doesn’t begin to live up to its name just as the USSR and the UN have never lived up to their names.
underbed cat says
It wouldn’t take too long, if this could be aired this on Fox News, the fake news exposed the accusations flying crumble the press suddenly sees or is allowed to report on the big story of the threat by Islam to our the country that had been suppressed. If the warnings were allowed to be heard years ago, after 9/11 instead of 19 years after the massive population jihad settlement of Islamic refugees allowing to infiltrate into all areas and government this information would not be so dangerous to release nor as big a threat after years of deception. The destruction of the territory In Syria and other areas they have invaded, is mind boggleing as is the short sighted political fight as to who was racist, when it had nothing to do with race but the plans or commands of the Quran to conquer, that was all thru it’s history and their use of deception, strategic promotion and silencing the followers and oil money to influence universities, politicians and churches they are not a threat but a victim. I am sure they had a speech to target Syria, before they aggressively fought Assad, now see the results. It is in every country and China was the first to resist and who and how did they seek revenge? It is suspicous as to the release of a virus.
Open borders, no restrainsts on flooding our country, so why for some dem leader our lives are “not worth1 cent to build a wall or change bad precedents” to protect, until it is too late and they can blame the other….
ntesdorf says
With luck, Allah may be using Covid-19 to neutralize Iran. This would be a spanner in the Muslim Works.
.Bridgette says
Whoever first allowed these vermin in should be strung up. The only way they’ll get what they want to achieve is if a leftist becomes president or we the people allow it.
TKF says
Mohammad was patient zero in spreading the Islam Virus. The infected must be quarantined and isolated from Western Civilization. This carrier needs to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck and shipped off to the nearest Muslim Turd Pile of his choice.
Eur says
Quranvirus is a pandemic that threatens all humanity.
Blurb1000 says
I think a caliphate is a wonderful idea. Who not establish one i Saudi-Barbaria?
Oh.. they will prbl be beheaded. More easy in Rome.
notnolib says
Have the terrorists at the terrorist group CAIR weighed in?
Prebangian says
Did CAIR denounce this supremacist plan?
No Muzzies Here says
When they tell you that they plan to replace our constitution with Islamic law, LISTEN TO THEM!
Et says
Oh Allah, Please call them all home to big Mo’s birthplace soon, the sooner the better, Just tell them you deceived them, they will understand.
infidel says
If this is not OPEN SEDITION.. then I wonder what else is? Can this loathsome creature speak the same way in China?
DazzleMe says
Bottom line: This is a war about religion—Christians and satan.
Frank Anderson says
D.M., I completely agree that A purported religion (islam) DECLARED war against the entire world, including all people both religious, but not conforming to their totalitarian control, and those who do not consider themselves religiously inclined. So far the declared war has met with much success because too often those who should oppose it together fragment and fight among themselves instead of joining to understand it is a war of life and liberty against death and slavery. Please consider. “A two-fold cord is strong; but a three-fold cord is not easily broken.” “Let us hang together, for we shall surely hang separately.”
gravenimage says
Yes–we need to *all* stand against the threat of Islam.
Bob Valiquette says
The Muslims had their chance when Syria and Iraq when taken by the group who morphed into ISIL. People flocked to it from across the globe but it did the one thing that caused it to fail. They lost the moral high ground when they started the murderous spree! If they hadn’t done that, would the world have mobilized to stop their dramatic rise? I don’t think so. That was a gift but it showed the world the danger of living under radical Islamic law. Thank Christ it was destroyed, it was the worst filth not seen since PolPot, Nazi Germany! What I can’t figure are the countries that are rolling over and showing their bellies for a religion,!one that’s opposite of their values and culture, Sweden and Germany come to mind! Canada’s Trudeau is another, IS fighters walk free there! Says lots! Thank God for 2A in USA, it’ll be our saving grace!
Frank Anderson says
B.V., Islam has been slaughtering people for 1400 years. Robert Spencer’s History of Jihad is one source to learn more. Estimates of the 1400 year death toll range from 250 to 1000 million people, between 1 and 4 every 3 minutes for 1400 years. Death and slavery are standard, orthodox, ordinary goals of islam, not radical. Muslims have probably slaughtered as many or more Hindus as Christians and others, causing the wide spread of the estimated death toll. The slaughter continues daily.
gravenimage says
Bob, the Islamic State could not been other than what it was, or it would not have been Islamic.
OLD GUY says
And elephants fly.
PRCS says
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