“Once a month, ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) pastors in the Southeastern Minnesota Synod gather to share educational resources and presentations related to faith….the Rev. Mark Johnson of First English Lutheran Church in Faribault invited the pastors in his synod to tour the Abubakar As-Saddique Islamic Center mosque in Faribault. Johnson had visited the mosque before, with confirmation students, and connected with Islamic Center volunteer Bashir Omar to arrange the interfaith meeting Thursday morning. ‘I think that listening to and learning [Muslims’] values is one of the ways we get to know our neighbors,’Johnson said. ‘… We want to set an example by having this kind of gathering.'”
Aside from the broad question of what exactly “Muslim values” are, given the human rights abuses enshrined in the Sharia, Minnesota is a particular trouble spot for Islamization. Fox News recently reported: “How Minneapolis’ Somali community became the terrorist recruitment capital of the US”.
Also:
There is some evidence that Al Shabab is recruiting in mosques in Somali communities. According to court documents in the terrorism case against 14 Somali men in Minneapolis, some of the accused made phone calls to Somalia from a Minneapolis mosque “to discuss the need for Minnesota-based coconspirators to go to Somalia to fight the Ethiopians.”
In an article in the Minnesota Post, Sudden Notoreity: Mosque in Minneapolis draws scrutiny from U.S. Senate, FBI and international media, the Abubakar As-Saddique Mosque is finally mentioned by name. Its possible links to al Shabaab and radicalization of young Somalis are highlighted in the story. But it doesn’t stop there. MPR News reported further:
Family members of the missing men have questioned whether the Abubakar As-Saddique mosque was involved in recruiting Somali-American to fight alongside a radical Islamic group, Al-Shabaab, in east Africa…..allegations appear to be coming from individuals within the local Somali community. At least three of the missing men frequented Abubakar, but supporters of the mosque said the men also attended other local Islamic centers.
So did the Lutheran Church do its homework to find out who its “neighbors” were and what “values” they represented?
Given that the Evangelical Lutheran Church is also anti-Israel and considers Israel to be “occupiers,” and supports BDS and the Palestinian “resistance,” it should be no surprise that the ELCA has no interest in the truth about the jihad and the charade that the so-called “peace process” really is. Far too many Churches are of the same mind, while Christians are massacred by jihadists in Africa and the Middle East, and persecuted in the Palestinian territories.
On August 11, 2016, ECLA betrayed the lofty goals expressed in that document by adopting resolutions calling on the U.S. government to end all aid to Israel, and embracing BDS (boycotts, divestment, sanctions) tactics. Claiming that Israel is an “occupying power” that does not recognize or adhere to international human rights standards, the decision was driven by the Lutheran Isaiah 58 group, with support from a coalition of anti-Israel organizations and activists, including Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP).
It is interesting to note that most of these pro-Palestinian Churches operate with charitable donations and claim to be apolitical, when in fact, they are highly political.
“Seeking common ground, Lutheran pastors visit Faribault Islamic Center,” by Misty Schwab, Faribault Southern Minnesota News, March 12, 2020:
Once a month, ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) pastors in the Southeastern Minnesota Synod gather to share educational resources and presentations related to faith.
This month, the Rev. Mark Johnson of First English Lutheran Church in Faribault invited the pastors in his synod to tour the Abubakar As-Saddique Islamic Center mosque in Faribault. Johnson had visited the mosque before, with confirmation students, and connected with Islamic Center volunteer Bashir Omar to arrange the interfaith meeting Thursday morning.
“I think that listening to and learning [Muslims’] values is one of the ways we get to know our neighbors,” Johnson said. “… We want to set an example by having this kind of gathering.”
Two representatives of the Islamic Resource Group (IRG) — Executive Director John Emery and Chairman Rashed Ferdous — delivered a presentation to the pastors during their mosque visit. Based in St. Anthony, IRG largely provides these presentations to school teachers.
Emery, a graduate of Apple Valley High School, learned to speak Arabic as a translator in the U.S. Army. He converted to Islam as an adult and explained that IRG gives him a way to serve both the Muslim and Minnesota communities that have provided opportunities to him.
During Emery’s PowerPoint presentation, guests learned Muslim terminology and details about the religion’s teachings. For example, “As-salamu alaykum” means “Peace be with you” in Arabic. Emery explained that Muslims believe in a loving and merciful God who created all humans, and the word “Muslim” means “one who submits to God’s will.” Muslims believe Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God, said Emery, and believe Jesus was a prophet. Through the angel Gabriel, Muslims believe God’s last revelation to humanity was to the profit Muhammad
Muslims pray five times a day, and unless they are family members, men and women are not permitted to pray next to one another. They pray facing the northeast toward the Kabah, or center of the Great Mosque of Mecca, Saudi Arabia, which they believe Abraham built. Many Muslims take pilgrimages to Mecca at least once in their lifetime, if they have the means to do so.
During Ramadan, a time of fasting and prayer, Muslims refrain from food and water from dawn until sunset. Ramadan begins April 24 this year, so Emery explained the period of fasting in Minnesota will start at about 4:20 a.m. and end around 8:30 p.m. this year.
Emery also explained two major holidays held in conjunction with Ramadan: Eid al-Fitr, which is the festival of breaking fast, and Eid al-Adha, the most important festival of sacrifice that involves fellowship, gift-giving and plenty of food…….
TruthSeeker says
Yup, learn about imp values like ‘Kafir’, ‘ Takiya’, ‘ Ummah’, etc that are prescribed in the Koran
mortimer says
Rev. Mark Johnson is a naïve Pollyanna who is merely virtue-signalling, rather than actually LEARNING anything about Islam. Why does Johnson assume that Muslims will truthfully describe Islam to him?
– “Taqiyya permeates almost all the activities and dealings of Muslims with non-Muslim societies…” – a former sheikh Sam Solomon
In fact, TAQIYYA COMES FROM ALLAH. Quote: ‘By Allah! I would not rest assured and feel safe from the deception of Allah (la amanu limakr Allah), even if I had one foot in paradise.’” (Khalid Muhammad Khalid, Successors of the Messenger, translated by Muhammad Mahdi al-Sharif [Dar al-Kotob al-Ilmiyah, Beirut Lebanon, 2005], Book One: Abu Bakr Has Come, p. 99)
Allahu khayru l-makireena – Koran. 3:54; cf. 8:30 – Allah is the best of deceivers.
Would you trust someone called ‘the best of deceivers’? I wouldn’t.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Mortimer.
Sam says
So does he mean that to hear what they say, and you refuse to denounce Christ and convert to Islam as a dhimmi slaves and say the prayer of Allah. Is that before they take your family as slaves under the Muslim rule or after they take your head for not converting to Satan’s cabal of ideology? I don’t know I always get the Quran of peace, confused with the words of the Creator God…
Rufolino says
Pastor Johnson demonstrates ignorance of a high order.
Some objective study of basic Islamic ideology is required of this pastor before he brings more nonsense into the public discourse.
Peter35 says
Right from the first days/years of the invasion, the pious religious nutters have been and still are the worst grovellers to islam, totally unaware that moslems HATE him and his kafir religion. But no, they are going to show moslems ‘Christian love and tolerance’.
That’ll go over well….
mgoldberg says
Gosh…. and they didn’t bother to explain the Jizya, the taxation system that all non muslims have to pay to receive the ‘right’ to practice their religion. I guess that that was a bit unimportant in terms of the fluff grammar school definition that admits to none of the hatred, bigotry and condemnation of non muslims in the Quran, all the history of Islam’s commitment to subjugating all other religions. The deaths of other christians acrsoss the globe apparently don’t bother the Lutherans.
mortimer says
‘Jizzya’ is the true purpose of Islamic conquest as most sheikhs will point out. They do not say so to the dirty kufaar. The word jizya appears in Koran 9:29, in an injunction that should be familiar by now: “Fight those among the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] who do not believe in Allah nor the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and his Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth, until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (humiliated).”
In a hadith, the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad, regularly calls on Muslims to demand jizya of non-Muslims: “If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay jizya, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”
The second “righteous caliph,” Omar al-Khattab, reportedly said that any conquered “infidel” who refuses to convert to Islam “must pay the jizya out of humiliation and lowliness. If they refuse this, it is the sword without leniency.”
This theme of non-Muslim degradation appears regularly in the commentaries of Islam’s authorities. According to the Medieval Islamic Civilization Encyclopedia, Muslim “jurists came to view certain repressive and humiliating aspects of dhimma as de rigueur. Dhimmis [subjugated non-Muslim Christians and Jews] were required to pay the jizya publicly, in broad daylight, with hands turned palm upward, and to receive a smart smack on the forehead or the nape of the neck from the collection officer.”
Of course, no one at an interfaith gathering will read the above quotes or explain the canonical understanding of those quotes.
Even if Johnson reads this, will he understand the hidden and dangerous truth of Islamic supremacism?
gravenimage says
+1
Michael Copeland says
Yes, “listening to and learning [Muslims’] values”.
Here are two of them:
Osama bin Laden: “Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us.”
Osama bin Laden: “Battle, animosity, and hatred – from the Muslim to the infidel – is the foundation of our religion.”
islamqa.com: “Muslims in the West must have … enmity and hatred of the kaffirs.”
Alminbar.com: “You should hate them, disown them and their religion.”
Abu Usama, Birmingham: “No one loves the kuffaar. We hate kuffaar.”
Anjem Choudary: “As a muslim I must have hatred for everything non-Islam.”
Yousuf Makharzah, muslim cleric: “Animosity towards the Jews is an obligatory religious duty, and one of the signs of the believers.”
More at https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/03/its-their-interpretation-of-islam/
Is this the same Lutheran organisation that is PAID to “resettle” so-called “refugees”?
Ray Jarman says
Excellent opine and right on target.
Sam says
Calling kafir worst of creatures, pig, monkey…etc is very nice value education..
mortimer says
But they do not call us ‘kufaar’ at interfaith meetings. They use ecumenical words like ‘brother’, ‘Abrahamic’, ‘humanity’. Islam is dualistic and doesn’t accept that kafirs are fully human and worthy of full human rights. Islam divides the world into Muslims and the disbelieving, subhuman kafirs (‘the worst of beasts’).
For Muslims, the word KAFIR is similar to the ‘N’ word. Muslims avoid using the KAFIR word when kafirs may be listening.
Please ask Muslims you know, ‘Am I a kafir?’ and watch their reaction.
keith says
Mortimer, your knowledge of Islam is substantial, this shows that you have gotten to know Islam.
For the only sane reason to do so. KNOW YOUR ENEMY!
gravenimage says
Exactly, Mortimer.
Emilie Green says
For untold millions, over the last 1400 years, the moment they learned “Muslim values” was also the moment of their death. You see, the so-called Muslim value that overrides any value which you may hold is this: If you’re not a Muslim believer, you’re worthless.
Surah 9:29 lays it all out in a way that even a Lutheran pastor can understand.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Emilie.
Frank Anderson says
E.G. several people who write here estimate the number of dead in 1400 years to be between 250 Million and 1 Milliard/Billion. That is between 1 and 4 dead human beings every 3 minutes, every day, week, year and century, for 1400 years. The wide variation in estimates may come from which regions of conquest are considered, the higher includes that massive slaughters in India.
“If islam is such a great deal why were 4 million Egyptians murdered bringing it to Egypt?” Mark Gabriel, The Unfinished Battle, page 52 (paraphrased).
James says
Yes, this is sort of reminiscent of how the East bloc states and the SU presented themselves to guests from outside. Or Cuba. They emphasize the good side and leave out the bad. Of course, we do that in America, but hopefully not the same extent. There are probably several churches that call themselves Lutheran, just as there are different kinds of Baptists. And there are Mormon sects that practice polygamy according to the early Mormon practice that the church rejected to get admitted to the Union. But one should distinguish from oddball sects and the mainstream churches. I would say that churches that whitewash Islam may have good intentions, but perhaps there is something else. Maybe this man’s church is strapped for cash and hopes to get donations from the local Islamic center for promoting and trivializing Islam. It should appear that Islam is just Christianity with a different homepage, a different facade, but they all worship the same God, Jesus, Mary, Moses, etc. That would seem to be what they are getting at. Whitewashing to allay fears. Whistling in the dark. Calming fears by denial. Or Stockholm Syndrome.
Kepha says
Christians do not worship Mary and Moses. We honor their memories as great believers and examples to others, but they are not recipients of prayer. Jesus is worshiped because he is not only man, but also God: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1). It is also Exhibit A in the case that Islam is a blasphemous lie that the third person of the Trinity worshiped by Christians is Mary, for the Third Person is the Holy Spirit. Nothing more clearly shows Muhammad a bearer of false witness against his neighbor than his Qur’an’s making Mary the third person of the Christian Trinity, and thus condemning the Christians.
As for this Lutheran pastor welcoming Islamic worship in the church, he is among the blind guides leading other blind people into a ditch.
Acc358 says
That Minnesotan lutheran pastor needs only to know what Dar al-Harb means and then behave appropriately.
Iambob says
“Muslims believe Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God, said Emery, and believe Jesus was a prophet. Through the angel Gabriel, Muslims believe God’s last revelation to humanity was to the profit Muhammad.”
This is what happens when uninformed, biblically-illiterate, theologically-liberal Christians (in pulpit and pew) remain completely clueless about history, utterly blind to the realities of current events, remain apostates and lack even basic discernment about the truths of Scripture.
Having, demonstrably, ‘fallen away from the faith’ they give ‘heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons.’ So, they remain unaware of the fact that the god Muslims worship reveals himself (in the Koran) as Satan!
Therefore, the angel ‘Gabriel’ who dictated the Koran could not possibly be the real Gabriel of the Bible (who announced the birth of Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ-God in human flesh) because their entire testimonies concerning who Jesus is contradict each other in rather graphic, rudimentary, theological detail.
Hence, the ‘Gabriel’ of Islam could only be a fallen angel (demon) revealing the will of Satan (Allah).
The God we worship, the Only One True God of the Bible reveals Himself in the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ: The Creator, Savior and Judge of the universe.
So we have nothing else to discuss, as far as matters of faith are concerned. We worship God. They worship the devil. Simple as that.
Christian believer says
A quick and simple way to find out if muslims worship the same god is to ask them to say: there is no god but YHWH. You will quickly find out that they won’t say it.
Mateen Elass says
Author of the “news” article under question, Misty Schawb, wrote: “Muslims believe God’s last revelation to humanity was to the profit Muhammad.” Obviously a misspelling. She must have meant “profiteer.”
gravenimage says
🙂
Steven Edelman says
I gag on this one.
Val says
Rev. Mark Johnson is a useful idiot for Islam. Christian ministers, popes, and priests are the last persons to listen to regarding Islam. They are completely clueless and out of their element.
mortimer says
Rev. Mark Johnson walks right into the carefully-laid taqiyya trap, smiling all the way.
He is completely duped.
Val says
Exactly. He should be telling everyone who *not* to listen to: Any person who commits murder, rape, and robbery. Such people are not messengers from God. God’s message to humanity is not murder, rape, and robbery.
Kepha says
He probably also cheerfully officiates at same-sex “marriages”, and sees abortion as the sacrament of fulfilled and liberated womanhood.
PRCS says
+1 and more.
E T says
That is the pattern I have heard, Religion of Peace, abortion and yes I will marry same-sex couples. Clergy / heretics
E T says
Or they are collaborators, I tend to believe nobody could be that dumb, they turned their backs on God. MONEY
FYI says
Perhaps the taqqiya-tongued apologists for islam ‘forgot’ to mention to the naive dhimmi christians that..
the koran CURSES Christians simply for believing in Jesus Christ {koran 9:30}
the koran says {Jews and}Christians are the “WORST of created beings” {koran 98:6}
the koran and its warped teachings do NOT conform to the Judeo-Christian{Biblical} Commandment System:the koran teaches it is OK to break the Exodus 20 laws.This,along with the absence of “Love thy neighbor” Lev19:18{unless in islam,he is a fellow muslim}also means the two chief commandments of God{#1 Deut 6:4-9,#2 lev19:18} cannot be satisfied in islam.The official law given to Moses,revealed in the Torah and acknowledged in the Gospel by Jesus{…the koran confirms the Bible as being TRUE koran 3;3…}is contradicted by the koran in its ‘holy’ book.
the koran denies Jesus Christ koran 4:157,4:171
{Logically and Theologically allah is NOT the same as the Christian God:note that allah missed,either through ignorance or malice,the Holy Spirit,God’s wisdom source given to mankind at the time of Jesus and freely given to mankind.It seems allah doesn’t want muslims to know about it: in any case allah doesn’t believe in the Holy Spirit..or the Golden Rule..or subscribe to the 2 chief commandments Matthew 22:37-40}
the koran tells muslims NOT to be friends with Jews and Christians koran 5:51
allah does NOT permit final penitence koran 4:18 and is thus NOT a god of mercy.
islamic apologists are liars,converts to islam are fools:dhimmi christians even more so for falling for the lies.
allah[“the BEST of deceivers” koran 3:54}the ARAB god and his “prophet” muhammed{“I have fabricated things against God and imputed to him things he has not said” Al Tabari 6:111}with his “perfect” koran{ a plagiarized,Theologically wrong book..allah thinks Christians are polytheists and that they believe Mary-ludicrously- is in the Trinity koran 5:116 etc}
Here is one for the naive dhimmi Christians:
Who is allah/muhammed’s greatest enemy?
{Sahih Muslim vol 5 hadith #5611}It is a MAN called the “King of kings”
The koran preaches disobedience to the Biblical Commandments and shows the absence of the Holy Spirit.
The koran preaches obedience to the Biblical commandments and shows the presence of the Holy Spirit.
It requires only a little wisdom to see the difference{you don’t need a Doctorate in Theology..}
But the muslims won’t be telling you THAT..or that islam has..
A Doctrine of HATE {al walaa wal baraa},an apartheid system{Muslims the best of mankind koran 3:110 versus Jews and christians the WORST of mankind koran 98:6} a political aspect and permits dissembling to promote the religion of “peace”:taqqiya,tawriya,taysin,muruna,daurura,kitman
FYI says
typo..
the Bible preaches obedience to the Biblical commandments{..obviously!}and shows the presence of the Holy Spirit.
mortimer says
VALUES … you say? What is the VALUE of human life in Islam?
Saudi Legal Schedule for Blood Money (indemnity paid for loss of life)
“The indemnity for the death or injury of a woman is one-half the indemnity paid for a man. The indemnity paid for a Jew or Christian is one-third the indemnity paid for a Muslim. The indemnity paid for a Zoroastrian is one-fifteenth that of a Muslim.” — Reliance of the Traveller, a classic manual of Islamic sacred law (o4.9)
In the April 9, 2002 issue, The Wall Street Journal published the concept of blood money in Saudi Arabia. If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follows.
100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian man
25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman
According to this hierarchy, a Muslim man’s life is worth 33 times that of a Hindu woman. This hierarchy is based on the Islamic definition of human rights and is rooted in the Quran and Sharia (Islamic law). How can we talk of democracy when the concept of equality in Islam is nonexistent?
Please hand a copy of this to Rev. Mark Johnson re ‘values’.
gravenimage says
Good points, Mortimer.
Wellington says
Many Christians are not useful idiots. But then many are (like these Lutheran bozos in Minnesota—and again, what is it with Minnesota?).
Not being a useful idiot who is a Christian is most definitely wrapped up with an informed and non-sentimental view of what Christianity actually states. Such a view will preclude a Christian from having a positive view of any Far Right or Far Left ideology, secular or religious. And of all the major religions that exist, only Islam in its theological blueprint is in in the extremist category of the Far Right/Far Left paradigm (for the record, Islam is Far Right and shows the greatest affinity to another Far Right ideology—Nazism).
There is no good reason why a Christian should respect Islam. Islam denies the Crucifixion, denies the Trinity, denies the divinity of Jesus and unlike other religions which do not accept one or more of these Christian theological contentions (e.g., Judaism) Islam manifests an utter contempt for these Christian positions and actually holds that Christians will be thrown into Hell at the end of the world for deifying Jesus. Other religions in their theological blueprint have a live and let live approach to Christianity but not Islam, which seeks to subordinate and humiliate Christians in this world and consign them to perdition in the next.
I can certainly see how a Christian can have respect for religions like Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. without accepting many of these religions’ theological positions, but there is no way an informed and sensible Christian should have any respect for Islam. Pity perhaps for Muslims and a wish to convert them to Christianity, yes; but respect for Islam most surely not.
Kepha says
What is it with Minnesota? It got settled by the most simple, neighborly, down-to-earth people on the face of the earth who deveoped a church-going, mutually supportive society that soon became way too trusting and ready to assume that all people were the same regardless. It’s what I gathered from both my “Norse” Dakota mother (Gud hvile henne) and my visits to that part of the country. The upper Midwest ended up “arum” in the sense of how it is used in first three chapters of the Hebrew original of Genesis. That’s probably why it fell for Stalinism in the 1930’s, until countered by the Social Democrat ideology of the Farmer-Labor-Democratic Party of H.H. Humphrey; and then ends up being conned by Islam.
As for “live-and-let-live” attitudes, ask Tamil Hindus and Christians from Sri Lanka about whether the Sinhala Buddhists are marked by such an attitude; while not so far away, in Myanmar, Christian Karen and Kachin got the brunt of Bamar Buddhist ire long before the Rohingya Muslims were targeted. In Taiwan, I shared communion with people who are heirs of those massacred by the Boxers, representatives of supposedly “tolerant” Buddhism.
Uncle Kepha has respect for Islam–just as he has respect for a hungry girzzly bear roaming the streets. But I will also admit that I have profound disagreements with all other religions, including evolutionary materialism, and desire the conversion of their adherents.
Wellington says
Thanks for your reply, Kepha.
Oh, and I understand that certain people from most any religion can be nasty, like your example of Buddhists, BUT I was addressing what exists in the theological blueprint of religions, and among the major religions of the world I would contend only Islam in its theological blueprint is inherently inimical to other religions. What say you about this SPECIFIC point?
Michael Copeland says
“I am opposed to Islam because Islam is opposed to me.”
Pat Condell
James Lincoln says
Wellington says,
“…there is no way an informed and sensible Christian should have any respect for Islam.”
100% true…
Another way to say it is that a Christian who has respect for islam is either:
Uninformed
Or
Not sensible.
No exceptions…
Wellington says
No exceptions indeed, James. What a damn shame virtually all Americans don’t see Islam as we do.
Which sad reality only demonstrates again that indefensible ignorance of malevolence is actually worse than malevolence itself.
Always has been this way and, sadly, I strongly suspect it always will be. Yes indeed, man never learns.
gravenimage says
Also, Wellington, the “Muslim Jesus” (“prophet Isa”) actually murders Christians who do not convert to Islam in the last days.
rubiconcrest says
What the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America fails to realize is that Islam has a problem and our saying so does not make it worse. No amount of interfaith meetings with tolerant Christians will change what needs to be changed. Muslims should devote their attention to the reasons why their faith has these problems. We should spend our energies firmly making this clear.
Val says
Agreed. Problem Number One: We can never venerate or listen to any violent criminal who commits murder, rape, and robbery. Make that your first principle.
Ole Pederson says
Beware!!
This is what started the degradation of the churches Germany, with clerics uttering exactly this kind of drivel …
somehistory says
Jesus Christ said, “Do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, and He is in heaven (Matthew 23).” Since the word “reverend” implies that a person is worthy of deep respect, even “awe,” I never use this word in regard to any human. I feel “wee’ toward the Father, but not some imperfect human.
And this guy, idiot and fool for islam, leading the sheep in his care astray, doesn’t merit even a modicum of “respect.” The only “aw” about him is “ful.”
since islam has not one “value,” there is no way on this earth that one can “learn the values,” of islam.
Listening to moslims speak about what islam means, teaches, etc,, to any group of non-moslims they hope to bamboozle, is a form of self-delusion and a “sharing with demons.” Lies, lies and more lies.
If one wishes to “get to know” moslims who live near them, there are things that are productive in this regard, as opposed to the sharing of food and deception at the local barracks.
One of the productive ways is to read what Mr. Spencer, Mr. Raymond Ibrahim, Ms. Geller, and former moslims have written about the teachings…and goals…of islam.
Christians do not have a “sharing” with those who listen to and follow demons. “Light has no sharing with darkness.” and “The Truth shall make you free.” Free of the darkness and delusion from satan the devil.
somehistory says
Error, error: “I feel “wee’ toward the Father, but not some imperfect human.” should be “awe” not wee. My eyes are blurry and my face is red.
Michael Copeland says
Dreaded Otto Spelczech struck again.
E T says
some history, You still have your soul and you are a sweet, utterly charming man.
gravenimage says
Minnesota: Lutheran pastor says “Listening to and learning Muslim values is one of the ways to get to know our neighbor”
…………….
Learning *real* Muslim values–and not the whitewashed double-speak these willful naifs are going to have fobbed off on them–makes us understand that pious Muslims are not our neighbors–not in the way we use the term. They only want us to submit to Islam, by violence if necessary.
Peter says
Of course. Listening, reading, and learning Islam will reveal their true evil and murderous ways
tgusa says
The Mister Rogers approach to islamic values. Lord help me. I read stuff like this and “if I only had a brain” immediately goes though my mind.
You can also quote Bugs Bunny regarding the Rev. Mark Johnson, what a maroon!
gravenimage says
+1
paul budrunas says
Is it really Islamophobia when a peace loving Muslim is actually cutting your head off? This minister is just an ignorant fool asking to be slaughtered by a Muslim POS! I think he has a death wish…no he’s too stupid for even that!
R Russell says
Another example of the end times apostate church
Val says
Exactly! No pastor will speak out against the blasphemers who say that God sent a messenger with a message of murder, rape, and robbery. The top blasphemer is the Pope who has said the god of Islam is the same as the God of Christianity. The Pope slanders God and yet some people still follow him.
Battle says
What does Mark Johnson know about Female Genital Mutilation?
E T says
What does he know about sex with children and temporary marriages?
UNCLE VLADDI says
ORRRRR … he could just read the QUr’an, sahih ahadith, Tabari, Life of Moe, and figure it out for him self.
(But THAT might be … “Racist”)! HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS “STUPID ON STEROIDS” DO WE TAKE?!
Goofy says
Luther would certainly not be happy to hear that a pastor in a church carrying his name talks about the values of Islam. Could somebody kindly inform me what Islamic values are? I don’t count kill and be killed as values.
Michael Copeland says
Luther on the Koran:
“When I have time, I must put it into German so that every man may see what a foul and shameful book it is.”
https://gatesofvienna.net/2019/11/book-reviews-the-koran/
Goofy says
Thanks a lot for your Luther quotation and for the link.
Michael Copeland says
“Slavery should be celebrated as one of the virtues of Islam.”
Kuwaiti muslim cleric
https://barenakedislam.com/2017/12/24/kuwaiti-muslim-cleric-slavery-should-be-celebrated-as-one-of-the-virtues-of-islam/
Frank Anderson says
M.C. I agree with your comments and observations. I have personal experience with this amazing delusion and deliberate ignorance that I have seen for myself and still cannot believe. Instead of spending my time trying to get deliberately blind people to see, I think it is more productive to keep looking for people who are capable of learning and taking the kind of action needed to make a better future. “Some will; Some won’t; But some will!”
Goofy says
I grant that slavery in the greater perspective of Muslim life may be among the kinder expressions of devout life but I wonder what sin looks like when sex slavery and slavery in general have become virtues?
Is there any other sin for Muslims than the unforgivable sin of apostasy? Please inform me.
Anne Smith says
Surely 9/11 should have told Rev Mark Johnson all he needed to know about Islam?
Lauren Hermann says
Yes, Anne, and as I have frequently commented, “If 9/11 didn’t wake up all non-muslims, nothing will. Imagine if Americans reacted to the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941, the same way they reacted to 9/11, I shudder to think what the US would look like today.
I am ashamed to say that I was confirmed in the Lutheran church. After reading many different articles on the BDS subject, I would be betraying my own beliefs if ever I would set foot in a Lutheran church again.
I hope these useful Lutheran idiots will not be on the list for to receive the COV-19 vaccine, especially if it is created by Israeli doctors/scientists. There have already been reports showing muslims who stated that they would not be vaccinated if the Israelis are the ones who developed it.
You see?? There’s nothing like having a suicidal enemy; just let mother nature take care of the rest.
maemae77 says
No, it’s a way to trick people into converting to Islam or eventually converting to Islam. I see Muslim pages targeting my feed as well as other people’s feeds. They’re deceiving Americans into converting to Islam by falsely portraying Islam as a peaceful religion. I have 6 Facebook profiles and seen this crap target all of them so this is definitely a wide spread effort.
Islam needs revealed and denounced in the masses far and wide. Not just once but many time until 99% of non-Muslims get it through their thick stubborn scull that Islam destroys anything good in it’s path. Sharia law needs to be extracted which will cause Islam to crumble.
A great awakening that no one can deny, across all platforms dominating the internet, television, Schools, news papers, fliers and word of mouth. Muslims need to leave their sinister totalitarian ideology or be publicly shamed. An unstoppable movement that refuses to bow to Islam and the psychological terrorism tactics so called moderate Muslims use to gain power over non-Muslims. We must refuse to be silenced and keep pushing forward. Muslims will likely resort to revealing their true selves because their manipulative tactics won’t work anymore. Every Muslim that does needs to be arrested for their illegal actions. But our tolerance to their wicked behavior must be exposed and shamed for all to see. Those that choose to protect them must be casted out as culprits and shamed to the point we refuse to help them. If they don’t care effect their lives to much they would have no choice to forbid Islam. Play their own selfishness against them.
Seeking Deliverance says
Evangelical Lutheran Church can kiss my grits. What another ignorant leftwing Democratic Fasco-Communist entity it is. Too bad western populations did themselves in by not marrying and having children (at least to the degree needed to ensure their future existence). Best save your encyclopedia sets and your books of old… for soon all of written history shall be re-written through the eyes of the conquered and ignorant. This is already happening… just ask England’s B.B.C. who continues to produce anti-western propaganda pieces.
OLD GUY says
Islam the deceiver! People like Rev. Johnson want to love everyone even those who will slay him, and he will lead his flock to the slaughter.
Valkyrie Ziege says
; Civilization already got that “Lesson” on 11th September 2001.
We don’t need anymore “Lord of the Files” stupidity from religions,
Thank You!
jcames reod says
Putting it very diplomatically…… letting me know my neighbour. what this Pastor actually means is, “What a bunch of murdering, raping, duplicitous, paedophilic, treacherous, hypocritical, sons of bitches, they really are! “Never to be trusted!”
Northern Virginiastan says
Mainline denominations ke ELCA are hemorrhaging membership. With crap like this, they deserve it. They are no longer mainline churches but sidelined churches.
tgusa says
The Rev. Johnson wants to revise the ten commandments to be more inclusive toward islamic values.
1. You shall have other gods before Me.
2. You shall make idols.
3. You shall take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Forget the Sabbath day, do not keep it holy.
5. Kill your father and your mother if need be.
6. You shall murder.
7. You shall commit rape.
8. You shall steal.
9. You shall bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall covet.
David Cummings says
Muslims values? What’s that?