The key word here is “innocent.” Take, for example, the words of the Britain-based imam Abdul Makin, who said: “Non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet.”
“Boko Haram members are Muslims, their activities not Islamic – Senator Barkiya,” by Musliudeen Adebayo, Daily Post, March 9, 2020:
A member of the National Assembly, Senator Kabir Abdullahi Barkiya has declared that the activities of the Boko Haram insurgents are completely opposed to the teachings of Islamic religion….
Barkiya said, “There is nowhere in the Qur’an where Allah said innocent people should be killed. However, we cannot call them kufar (unbelievers) until they denounce the Kalimah (testimony).
“We cannot call the Boko Haram kufar (unbelievers). They didn’t deny Islam but their activities are contrary to the teachings of Islam. That’s why I said there is nowhere in the Qur’an where Allah said innocent people should be killed. They are ignorants who were brought up indoctrinated and following a wrong ideology.
“Therefore, it is a teamwork for all Nigerians, particularly Muslims, to deplore their activities and teach people the pristine Islam different from what Boko Haram is preaching. We have to put heads together to see how we can preach to them (Boko Haram members) that what they are doing is wrong. We need to also tell others that what Boko Haram is doing is not Islamic. So, this is the only way.
“We have to be collective in this task – I mean we, the true Muslims. A verse in the Holy Qur’an says; “We will not change your condition except you decided to change your own condition by yourselves”. So, that’s what we ought to be doing fundamentally.”…
“You cannot force people to join your religion. It is unacceptable. Therefore, most people are just ignorant and do not have knowledge of Islam. It is our duty as Muslims to explain to people that the perception is wrong because Allah Who owns the religion says you should not force people into it. You can only encourage people until they feel convinced.
“Islam insists that a leader should give everybody his rights, whether Muslims or non-Muslims because Allah will ask you about it on the day of judgement. Everybody under you has his rights. This is what people don’t know.
“Therefore, Islam is a religion of peace. God has put us together – Muslims, Christians, Pagans. It is our duty to come together and do things collectively and peacefully to move the country forward….
Sam says
Only Muslims are innocents… Kafirs are worst than the animals Quran 8.55
mortimer says
The use of ‘INNOCENT’ to mean ‘MUSLIMS ONLY’ is an example of ‘KITMAN’ (deception through doubletalk and hiding the true meaning of words).
From interview on BBC with Anjem Chaudary:
Hardtalk Host: Can infidels be innocents?
Anjem Chaudary: No, at the end of the day innocent people – when we say innocent people we mean Muslims. As far as non-Muslims are concerned, they have not accepted Islam, and as far as we are concerned, that is a crime against God.
Hardtalk Host: I want to be clear about what you are saying – this is very important – you are saying that only Muslims can counted as innocent people?
Chaudary: As far as Muslims are concerned, you are innocent if you are a Muslim – then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are a non-Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God.
Conclusion: Chaudary sez … “When we say ‘innocent people’ we mean Muslims”
The Muslim meaning of ‘innocent’ cannot be put more clearly or starkly than that.
John says
Chaudary tells it like it is and this even upsets his fellow muslims because they have been practicing TAQIYYAH basically bidding their time for that special day when they turn on their hosts as muslims always have done throughout history
PRCS says
Does he know what Islam teaches or does he not?
If he knows what Islam teaches, his statement is intentionally deceitful.
If he doesn’t, it still misinforms.
elee says
+1. Plain and simple. This is the strength of Kitman: the Muslim who utters it knows hes deceiving, but the listener doesnt……hears something plausible from the Muslim, goes off and repeats it, and spreads the Muslims deceit without ever knowingly lying to anyone.
Jim says
If he will now put actions behind his words, I will believe him. Get the police to really go after and eradicate Boko Haram. Otherwise his words are merely empty words.
Ray Jarman says
When Senator Kabir Abdullahi Barkiya states, “You cannot force people to join your religion. It is unacceptable. Therefore, most people are just ignorant and do not have knowledge of Islam. It is our duty as Muslims to explain to people that the perception is wrong because Allah Who owns the religion says you should not force people into it,” it seems that he has forgotten what his Allah said about nonbelievers such, “Kill them wherever you find them.” (Quran 2:191), “Kill them wherever you find them.” (Qur’an 4:89), “Kill the polytheists wherever you find them.” (Qur’an 9:5), “When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks.”(Qur’an 47:4) Further when he says, “You can only encourage people until they feel convinced,” I wonder what his definition of convinced is? From everything that Robert Spencer has taught us here is that if we wish to live, becoming Muslim is what the senator means by convinced. Thomas Hobbes taught that using language inaccurately, we, “will find ourselves entangled in words, as a bird in lime twigs,” or to put it a different way, to believe these Islamists, will cause us to be snared in their trap.
Michael Copeland says
“Does Islam or does it not force people by the power of the sword to submit….? Yes!”
Osama bin Laden
gravenimage says
Of course, if this Mohammedan *really* believed this, he would be trying to convince his fellow Muslim, *not* slinging Taqiyya at the ‘filthy Infidels’.
mortimer says
Kitman: deceit by omission.
Tawriya: deceit by deliberate ambiguity.
That is what Senator Kabir Abdullahi Barkiya is doing.
FYI says
And nowhere in the ‘holy’ koran is there ..
Any sign of that essential Golden Rule{Matthew 7 v 12:defined s being “the MEANING of the Law of Moses and all the prophets”}:since allah doesn’t have the Golden Rule it means allah the Arab god of islam doesn’t know the MEANING of the Law!
Any understanding of the need to OBEY those essential Exodus 20 laws{nor even a formal listing of them which would help:muslims have to consult the BIBLE to find them}
In fact allah give permission to violate these laws which defeats the whole purpose of the commandments.
{Permission to murder infidels k2:191,permission to steal from infidels k48:20,permission to lie to infidels to promote islam k3:28 etc permission to commit adultery with an enslaved infidel women etc k4:24 “what the right hand possesses”}
Any realisation of the importance of the 2 Chief Commandments of God{Law#1 Deut 6 :4-9 Love God,law#2 Leviticus 19:18 Love others}defined as “The WHOLE of the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on these 2 laws”{Matthew 22 v 37-40} as allah appears to have COMPLETELY MISSED them.
Since allah gives permission for the Exodus laws to be violated{law#1 cannot be satisfied in islam} and since “love thy neighbor” is impossible in islam if your neighbor is a Jew{=”to be despised and hated” koran 2:65} and Christians are the “WORST of created beings” koran 98:6,the second chief law cannot be satisfied in islam.
Thus islam and the koran violates “the WHOLE of the law of Moses and the Teachings of all the prophets”.
The “scholars” of islam either won’t get it or else refuse to see this as it requires WISDOM{Wisdom that comes from God’s Gift of Wisdom, the Holy Spirit:but allah tells his muslims NOT to believe in it.Note in koran 4:171 when allah says “say not three” it is better for you”,it is clear “allah” knew about the Trinity but notice that it is not just Jesus Christ that islam denies:it is ALSO the Holy Spirit of God’s Wisdom{present in the Bible,OT and NT,but MISSING in the koran}
No sign of God’s Wisdom bestowed upon mankind at the time of Christ{What Christians call the Holy Spirit:the source of prophecy and authentic scripture}perhaps because allah gets the THEOLOGY wrong either through ignorance or more likely malice{k4:171,koran 5:116}as he is after all the CHAMPION DECEIVER k3:54
So the koran teaches the OPPOSITE to God’s laws,MISSED the Golden Rule,MISSED the Holy Spirit,and teaches muslims NOT to love their infidel neighbors koran 5:51
The koran: a book that has so many incongruities in it ,that by allah’s OWN criterion,in its imperfections{see koran 4:82} it can only come from “other than allah”:man made.
{The Bible is written by humans but with the Presence of the Holy Spirit,the source of God’s Wisdom,authentic scripture and prophecy:but in islam there is no “Holy Spirit” which is why the “perfect” koran is so full of errors}
Ray Jarman says
+++++++++++++++++++++1 When one reads Isiah, he/she reads something that was written so well while the Qur’an (at least in English) seems that a twelve year old wrote it.
Walter Sieruk says
In Nigeria: that Muslim Muslim Senator who said “There is nowhere in the Qur’an where Allah said innocent people should be killed” is a good example of Muslim double speak ,as in a saying a statement that is often misunderstood by most Westerners but clearly understood by all devout Muslims.
For all many imams in many Islamic nations always tell the Muslim congregations in the many mosques that “No Kufar [disbelievers ] is innocent ” As the Qur an teaches
Likewise a some years ago the current chief of al Qaeda, Ayman al Zawahiri, spoke officially for both Islam and that jihad entity he now heads . Al -Zawahiri said that “Al Qaeda never killed an innocent person and if it did it was totally unintentional”
In other words, the jihad terror network intentionally kills people who are not Muslims but not deliberately Muslims.
In spite of of the facts of reality , from the Qur an as well as from the other authorized book of Islam there are yet some people who have the to still Islam a “non-violent religion”
gravenimage says
+1
Ray Jarman says
Well stated Walter, and one might ask the senator if the Qur’an does not teach violence (most of us here can name the Suras), then where do they obtain their universal Islamic false ideas?
Larry says
You have to be careful when listening to an Islamist. They have a different dictionary with different definitions. In this case, only another Islamist can be “innocent”. Non-islamists (infidels/kafirs) are by definition always guilty in their eyes.
This is the problem most people have; they take at face value everything an Islamist says. They seem to be unable to realize that they are being lied to.
Walter Sieruk says
To Larry, you are right about jihad -minded Muslims when you keyboarded about them having “different definitions ” for words other then Westerners do .As for example, the word “innocent.”
Nevertheless to “word ” keyboarded in you comment, which is “Islamist” ,We all need to remember that the words Islamist” and “Islamism” are fake words that had been made up after September 11, 2001 in order offend or upset non-violent Muslims. The real, actual, word is just “Islam.” To give more detail on the word “Islamist” is also a bogus word that was made up after 9/11 in order not to offend or upset peaceful Muslims. To keep with reality, terms should better be used as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim terrorist” . Let’s call people and thing as the really are.
Likewise ,the terms “Radical Muslim” and “Islamic extremist” is actually a misuse of terms. “Moderate Muslim” are actually Western term and not that well known in the Islamic Middle East. This is because what In the Islamic mindset in the Muslim Middle East as well as in Indonesia and other Muslim controlled countries what the non-Muslims of the Western nations view as “radical and “extremist” the Muslims of those places in the world see as “Normal” and even Devout and committed to the Cause of Islam”.
Furthermore, those “Moderate Muslims” are those of the Islamic worldview and non-devout and non –committed Muslims. The violent jihadists even see them as “hypocrites.” Therefore, this explains the jihadist chant of those jihad-minded Muslims in different Islamic terror organizations. When they chant out loud “Death to infidels and hypocrites.” Meaning Death to people who and not Muslims and people who are non- jihadist Muslims.
Concerning the last part of this above essay, the violent spirit of that vicious jihadist chant “Death to infidels and hypocrites.” The later word of the chant “hypocrites” in the jihad –minded Muslim worldview is further explain in the book titled JIHADIST PSYCHOPATH by Jamie Glazov , for on page 42 the reader is informed that “Islam mandates that devout and real Muslims must punish , and in some circumstances kill, those Muslims whom they regard as neither legitimate nor properly devout.”
James Lincoln says
Excellent post, Walter.
My compliments…
mortimer says
Islamism is a very helpful POLITICAL term that refers to the POLITICAL SCIENCE of Islam. It has been defined as:
“the belief that Islam should guide social and political as well as personal life”,
a form of “religionized politics” and an instance of religious fundamentalism
“political movement that favors reordering government and society in accordance with laws prescribed by Islam” (from Associated Press’s definition of “Islamist”)
“[the term ‘Islamist’ has become shorthand for] ‘Muslims we don’t like.'” (from Council on American–Islamic Relations’s complaint about AP’s earlier definition of Islamist)
“a theocratic ideology that seeks to impose any version of Islam over society by law”. (Maajid Nawaz, a former Islamist turned critic. Subsequently, clarified to be “the desire to impose any given interpretation of Islam on society”.
“the [Islamic] ideology that guides society as a whole and that [teaches] law must be in conformity with the Islamic sharia”,
James Lincoln says
Thanks for the additional information, mortimer.
gravenimage says
Nigeria: Muslim Senator says “There is nowhere in the Qur’an where Allah said innocent people should be killed”
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Of course, no Infidels, or even lax Muslims, are deemed to be innocent, so the bloody slaughter can continue unchanged–but a few credulous Kuffar may be mollified nonetheless…
mortimer says
BOKO HARAM IS PART OF ISIS … Islamic scholars CANNOT denounce BOKO HARAM …
Does BOKO HARAM / ISIS represent Islam?
– in 2015, the former imam of the Grand Mosque of Mecca, Sheikh Adel al-Kalbani, declared that the Islamic State and Saudi Arabia “follow the SAME THOUGHT”. He has stated as well, that ISIS is a “TRUE PRODUCT of Salafism,” the SAME brand of Islam as officially espoused by Saudi Arabia. He clearly stated, “We [in Saudi Arabia] follow the SAME THOUGHT [as ISIS], but apply it in a refined way…They draw their ideas from what is written IN OUR BOOKS, from OUR OWN PRINCIPLES … we DO NOT criticise the thought on which it (ISIS) is based”.
– (Is ISIS Islamic?) “Yes. This is the truth, and we must discuss this in full honesty and fairness. We must confront our [problems]. We must discuss (the actions of ISIS) in full honesty … ISIS has come to implement Islam as it is, by the book. It has not come up with anything on its own. It evoked the religious texts exactly as they are. It did not distort, change, or replace anything. It came with the text and implemented it exactly as it is….They came in order to [implement] the proper Islam, complete with slave girls, the rape … We cannot shut our eyes and deny this … We must not blame others … We must all own up to what is happening.” – Yemeni Academic, Dr. Arwa Al-Khattabi
Al Azhar University Cannot Denounce ISIS of Being Un-Islamic—Even If ISIS Commits “Every Atrocity”
– Dr. Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Sheikh and Grand Imam of Al Azhar refused to condemn ISIS terrorism, “Al Azhar CANNOT accuse any [Muslim] of being a kafir [disbeliever], as long as he believes in Allah and the Last Day—even if he commits every atrocity,” adding: “I cannot denounce ISIS as un-Islamic, but I can say that they cause corruption on earth. ISIS believes that those [Muslims] who commit the great sins are kafirs and can be killed. Thus if I denounce them of being un-Islamic, I fall into the same [trap] I am now condemning.”