“In its report, the government claimed that the increased number of terrorists on MI5’s watch list does not necessarily mean that there are 20,000 additional terrorists presently in the country. ‘A substantial element of the increase to over 40,000 is the inclusion of individuals who have never travelled to the UK but whose details have been passed to MI5 by foreign intelligence services, in order that MI5 be alerted should they enter the UK.'”
And they would apparently have no trouble actually entering the UK. The Home Office is intent only upon banning from entry those who oppose jihad violence and Sharia oppression of women and others, not those who support these things.
“MI5 Aware of 43,000 Terrorist Suspects, Not 23,000 as Previously Claimed,” by Kurt Zindulka, Breitbart, April 14, 2020:
The government of the United Kingdom has admitted that it is aware of 43,000 terrorist suspects– nearly double the number previously revealed by security services.
After the 2017 London Bridge terrorist attack, the British people were informed that there were some 23,000 suspected terrorists being monitored by MI5 — this itself already a significant rise on the 3,000 suspects the government had admitted to knowing about to that point. However, a report has revealed that there are an additional 20,000 people on the government’s watchlist.
The numbers include 3,000 subjects of interest (SOI), who are actively being investigated by the government and 40,000 “closed” subjects of interest (CSOI), who are deemed by MI5 judges “to be some risk of re-engaging in terrorist activity”, The Times reports.
The list of “closed” subjects of interest included Salman Abedi, who killed 22 people during the Manchester Arena bombing and Khalid Masood, who ran over pedestrians and stabbed a police constable to death in the 2017 Westminster terror attack. Both terrorists were allowed to slip through the cracks of the surveillance system due to “limited resources“.
In its report, the government claimed that the increased number of terrorists on MI5’s watch list does not necessarily mean that there are 20,000 additional terrorists presently in the country.
“A substantial element of the increase to over 40,000 is the inclusion of individuals who have never travelled to the UK but whose details have been passed to MI5 by foreign intelligence services, in order that MI5 be alerted should they enter the UK,” the report said….
Michael Copeland says
That means 43,000 individuals dedicated to “…undistinguishing and exterminating war… against all the rest of mankind”, in the words of John Quincy Adams, sixth president of the United States.
https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/04/quiz-who-is-being-referred-to/#more-50092
Terry Gain says
I’ve read that it takes 30 police officers to keep tabs on one terrorist suspect. Doing the math in my head, as is my habit, only 1,290,000 officers are needed.
James Lincoln says
Terry Gain,
I found a reference from the Washington Post stating that it would take at least 20 UK police officers to monitor one terrorist suspect day and night.
Not quite 30, but a very large number.
Perhaps another reference could corroborate the 30, I just couldn’t find one…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/15/its-impossible-to-monitor-all-terror-suspects-these-charts-show-why/
mortimer says
A man with a gps ‘bracelet’ was able to get close the Parliament and kill people there.
If they spent a fraction of the police budget on deprogramming Muslims, the UK would get rid of a large part of the jihad problem.
Terry Gain says
James Lincoln
Thanks James. No problem. What a relief. Only 864,000 police officers would be required to monitor these terrorists.
When you think about it, you probably need two officers manning 2 or 3 sites and working no more than six hours a day as they would need at least another two hours a day to write up their notes, it adds up pretty quickly.b
gravenimage says
Mortimer, how do you get Muslims–especially Jihad terrorists–to listen to the “filthy Infidels” running this “deprogramming”? You have never said.
You also recently implied that Muslims all leave Islam simply on coming to the West. Were this true, there would not be 43,000–or even 23,000–Jihad terror suspects in Britain.
Norman Gardner says
If you consider 24 hours of coverage, 7 days a week, vacation time, then 30 officers is a reasonable figure to cover one suspect. Three eight hour shifts x 7days ( 21) plus the fact that they would work 5 days, add vacation time, and you will see what I mean.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, I also have a petty criminal relative who told me that he would pry his gps ankle bracelet off at home at night and go out. Normally it might seem suspicious when it didn’t move, but at this point it just looked as if he was home in bed. I’m sure there are Jihadists who do the same.
I have heard there are newer models that would detect this, but that at least as of a couple of years ago they were in short supply.
Terry Gain says
Mortimer
How do you get Muslims to sign up for these deprogramming programs of yours? It is my understanding that they don’t agree to be deprogrammed unless they’ve been convicted of something. Do you entice them with sex, drugs or booze.
gravenimage says
And there are only 123,171 officers in all of England and Wales as of last year:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831726/police-workforce-mar19-hosb1119.pdf
Whatever the exact number of police needed, it is clear that the UK does not have them.
Boromir's Horn says
What are they doing to flatten the curve?
Boromir's Horn says
maybe they need an MI43
Ashley says
It only takes one…
Ray Jarman says
I wonder if the British citizens would have tolerated twenty to forty thousand IRA solders and terrorists back in the 1960s and 1970s and the continent went all out to take down the Red Brigade and other terrorist groups during that same period but now it does not seem to bother them. Where are the freedom loving patriots like the ones who have died over the years to bring about the most enlightened and benevolent places on earth and why are they/we (the US and Canada included) letting a bunch of inbred sub-humans destroy what we have built?
Terry Gain says
No wonder British police act like they’re scared out of their minds.
tedh754 says
Oh yeah, this is going to end well. Of course, nothing is more important than diversity!
Woke Infidel says
43,000 that they are “aware of.” Knowing the kind of loyalty this ideology breeds, just imagine how many they are “not aware of.”
mortimer says
There are likely 20 million Muslims worldwide who are emotionally ready for jihad, but untrained. There are likely 2 million jihad-wannabes who are combat ready or 90% ready.
We have seen that under the right conditions, even ‘moderate’ Muslims will give support to jihadists.
gravenimage says
Sadly, Mortimer, it takes little training to go out and stab an old lady.
gravenimage says
Also true, Woke Infidel.
Rufluc says
Why is it that Western patriots like Lauren Southern, Jared Taylor, Milo Yiannopoulus, Brittany Pettibone, etc. none of which pose any threat at all to the West whatsoever, have all been banned from entering the UK, when any one of 43,000 known terrorists (the vast majority no doubt being Islamic terrorists) can just freely walk in unchallenged?
Does this mean that all that is now needed to gain free access to any Western country to commit terrorist attacks on the inhabitants of those countries, is to carry a Qu’ran instead of a passport and grow a beard? And if challenged at border control, just chant ‘death to all infidels’ and end with an ‘Alluah Akbar’?
Maybe those above mentioned Western patriots need to adopt the same hate filled example of the ‘protected species’ we just love to pander to.
gravenimage says
And you can add Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller to this list.
dee says
1.bc the political class considers this to be in its interests
2. people like you are entirely powerless.
gravenimage says
We are *not* entirely powerless. Just taking a stand against this insanity is a first step.
d says
Congrats to the elites for another outstanding failure of leadership, a loss of discernment, not understanding the saracen deen, and never learning the history of islamic conquest. A superb showing of elites married to a fake ideology that will destroy the future of the young, if mitigation is not applied to this islamic virus.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
An example of hiding in plain site behind the cover of ‘religion.’ I wonder how much more of a running head start Hitler would have realized if he had done the same. The whole idea of advantage is to allow for confusion. The Coronavirus is an example of how another deadly virus causes devastating havoc and consequences upon whole nations by initially being seen as just another flu. Britain is presently in the ‘late to the party’ mitigation stage of the Islamic virus.
The nation will only survive if it chooses to not ‘host’ this deadly 1400 year old viral pandemic.
mortimer says
This is twice as bad as previously thought and four times as bad as other Western countries. It must be because UK has accepted so many Pakistani and Afghan Muslims. They are the most fanatical.
Meanwhile, the British Home Office continues to shovel the ‘benign Islam’ narrative and imposes censorship upon anyone who discusses Islam’s canonical JIHAD DOCTRINES.
The HOME OFFICE is the Aegean Stable and it should be CLEANSED of these Islamist-fellow-travellers FORTHWITH.
PM Johnson, are you listening? … PURGE THE HOME OFFICE NOW !
mortimer says
Quote: “MI5 Aware of 43,000 Terrorist Suspects, Not 23,000 as Previously Claimed,”
This confirms what I suspected, namely, that British police are FULLY AWARE of the Islamist problem, but their political bosses are censoring the whole country if they speak out.
Woke Infidel says
Right you are, mortimer; their hands are, sadly, tied.
tim gallagher says
Ah, yes, the wondrous delights that Muslim immigration brings with it to countries foolish enough to believe it is a good idea. Throw in the Muslim rape gangs and all the other delights that barbaric Islam brings to enrich our societies and you can see why Muslim immigration is a fantastic idea. It is really hard to believe that our western countries continue to put up with this exercise in futility, Muslim immigration. Where the hell is the positive, the benefit for any of our countries in letting this barbaric enemy into our countries? Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot. Letting Muslims into our countries is beyond stupid. As for the would be terrorists on this list, round the scum up and find a way to kick them out of civilised, western society in the UK and back to some Muslim shithole, which is the only place where they belong.
gravenimage says
UK: MI5 aware of 43,000 terrorist suspects, not 23,000 as previously claimed
………………..
Who can be surprised by this?