A hadith depicts Muhammad as saying: “No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist.” (Sahih Muslim 6426)
So it is Islamic doctrine that everyone is born Muslim, and that people who convert to Islam are “reverting,” that is, returning to their original religion, rather than adopting a new one.
So when Metro says that Lisa Mercedez has “reverted” to Islam, it is assuming the Islamic view that all people are originally Muslim. It looks as if Metro itself has “reverted,” or is at very least bowing in its own way to Britain’s new masters. This would be like saying that a convert to Christianity had “received the light of Christ” or some such. This kind of language has no basis in objective journalism, but of course objective journalism is a thing of the past on both sides of the Atlantic.
“Dancehall star Lisa Mercedez trying to ‘cover up more’ after reverting to Islam,” by Alicia Adejobi, Metro, April 22, 2020:
Dancehall star Lisa Mercedez reveals how she is making great effort to ‘cover up more’ and ditch the skimpy outfits after reverting to Islam.
The Jamaican-born rapper has celebrated the life change by releasing her new song, Shahada, just two months after reverting….
CogitoErgoSum says
Reverting to Islam seems like the right way to put it. It is a step back.
DHazard says
Yeah, it kind of sounds like devolving.
mortimer says
Reversal is a good way to put it. They going in reverse from modern civilization to the barbarism of 7th-century Arabia.
Unknown guy says
Is the god of bible and god of quran same?
gravenimage says
No, Unknown guy, thy’re not.
gravenimage says
they’re not
Unknown guy says
What is the difference between allah and illah?
gravenimage says
Unknown guy, the meaning is the same, The two words are just used in different parts of speech.
Hence, “There is no god but god” in the Shehada.
moqifen says
We know that islam is a stain upon the world and has produced nothing of worth for over a millenium. But perhaps all this muslim boasting has got a basis in fact. One of the staples of science fiction is time travel and time machines. Become a muslim and rapidly head back to the 7th century. It’s easy.
Save Europe says
Actually the use of the word ‘reverting’ is very worrying (on the part of this supposed newspaper, NOT yourself).
By using this word it feeds the Muslim arrogance and, above all, nonsense, that everyone was born a Muslim, even before the Satanic religion was created. Thus they’re just ‘reverting’ if they ‘convert.’
It’s gives credibility to their supremacism and arrogance.
It further attempts to succeed and expunge the two true Abrahamic Religions. Incidentally, I’m an agnostic, but loathe Islam.
Worrying stuff.
CogitoErgoSum says
See John 3:1-8 (if you don’t mind reading the Bible). The idea is that we humans are born into this material world in bondage to the evil one and we must be born again through baptism and the spirit to be able to see the spiritual kingdom of God. Note that Muslims often tend to refer to themselves as the slaves of Allah. Christ entered into this world to free us from our bondage.
I think that once in a while Muhammad would sprinkle small pieces of the truth among his lies. As a Christian I see his talk about “reversion” as a clue that Muhammad’s god is the spirit more commonly known as Lucifer or Satan.
CogitoErgoSum says
Here’s a clip from the 1977 television mini-series “Jesus of Nazareth.” It’s posted on YouTube with the title saying it’s about reincarnation but, no, it’s really not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6dmIf7webY
Save Europe says
Thanks Cogito. Will check it out ?
Dude says
It maligns Jews, Christians, Polytheists. However the truth is that they do not even accept God as a person. They worship a force. They are non-theists, atheists. It is no surprise they promote monstrous moralities and idiot philosophies, ontologies that only inbred morons could possibly accept as sacred.
Any left-wing bleeding heart must first examine Nigeria, the desert, and all lands destroyed by the maurading crescent armies for centuries. They have no right to speak if they don’t do the homework. So, shut up, grow up, save the world.
Wellington says
I think it imperative for all to understand that Islam claims to be the oldest religion in the world, even though in fact—facts being something, among so many other valid somethings, that Islam has a “problem” with—it is the newest major faith in the world.
Yes, you see, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus ,and Buddha too, etc., were all Muslims but Jews and Christians, Buddhists and Hindus, et al, along with so many others, have distorted the true faith which contends that Mohammed was “the last and greatest of the prophets.”
Islam is the master usurper. It is a giant parasite and feeds off the achievements of others, not just in the religious realm but in all realms. Miss this and one misses a lot. Most still do, including, let’s see here, Tony Blair, George Bush, the Western media, Western academia (and yes, I know that some in academia are not “merely” ignorant about Islam but complicit), and a whole host of other foolish and indefensible dhimmis.
Stupid world. Rotten world. Islam contributes to this stupidity and rottenness big time. So do a hell of a lot of non-Muslims PRECISELY due to their disgusting refusal to see Islam as the worst religion ever created by man.
And Islam is, take note again, “compliments” of Islamthink, the oldest religion in the world. This is why we are all born Muslim per Islamthink.
Yeah, the hell I was. Eff Islam, Mohammed, the Koran, the hadiths, the sira, the imams, the ayatollahs and ALL those who continue to exculpate this most wretched of religions. Time for a beer, pork BBQ and a Chopin etude, none of which the Islamic world could ever have created, indeed it condemns all three and in full control-freak mode would deny this fine “trinity” to all others. Oldest religion my ass.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
Off-topic, but for your listening pleasure – Chopin’s Etudes.
My favorite is:
3:35 Etudes, Op. 10: III. Etude in E Major “Tristesse”. Lento ma non troppo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glBbd7jeIPs
Wellington says
Thanks for that, James.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the link, James.
Keys says
Robert Spencer’s 4:00 PM post today affirms that Islam per Mohammad teaches we are all born Muslims:
“A hadith depicts Muhammad as saying: “No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist.” (Sahih Muslim 6426)
So it is Islamic doctrine that everyone is born Muslim, and that people who convert to Islam are “reverting,” that is, returning to their original religion, rather than adopting a new one.”
What an diabolical insult ! More evidence Allah is a deceiver.
Just think, every person born up to the time of Mohammad was a Muslim, but their parents made them kafirs, and nobody ever mentioned it.
Woke Infidel says
Yes, an insult. And, btw, Muhammad: it’s the parents that make a babe Muslim.
PRCS says
CAIR, of particular note, has very effectively used ‘intersectionality’ to usurp, to co-opt the grievances of the clueless as their own:under the rubric of ‘civil rights’.
And it’s working well.
Re: their trip to Manzanar:
Note the use of ‘our Japanese-American brothers and sisters”.
Knowing what Islam teaches about homosexuality–and what Muslims do or would like to do to homosexuals–would George Takei willing accept that label?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMEBWPiAGE8&t=3s
JMB says
This video about the Manzanar Pilgrimage, it is worth watching and listening to, it is very disturbing. I think there are others who are better qualified to comment than me, but basically the message is “We hate the country that has given us everything including the right to hold this pilgrimage/protest and if you are gay, black, native American etc we are with you all the way”.
gravenimage says
It is also a lie. Muslims will not be “for” minorities in America any longer than it takes them to take over.
eduardo odraude says
In the Islamic context, the notion of “reversion” becomes yet another justification for Muslim aggression because, you see, non-Muslims have in effect been kidnapped as children from Islam, which was the original owner of everyone. Islam’s rights over everyone have been violated, you see. So Islam in attacking us is merely being self-defensive. Thus this notion of “reversion” is indeed an effort at usurpation, i.e., a cloaked attempt to weaken, sap, and take over other cultures at their foundations. Islam works by both kinetic and disinformation war, and the “reversion” concept is part of the disinformation war. A key strategy of Islam is to deceptively claim its rights have been violated and to use that as an excuse to take the offensive. This was true of Muhammad even very early in his mission. We all know of people willfully taking offense when none has been offered, and use that as an excuse to go on offense. Muhammad used that deceptive and self-deceptive approach on non-Muslims.
gravenimage says
And the meaning of the word “Kuffar” is “*rejector* of the truth”–in other words, the idea that even those who have never even heard of Islam somehow know all about it, believe it is right and true, yet perversely reject it. That gives Muslims another ‘right’ to slaughter all unbelievers.
eduardo odraude says
Or the claim Muhammad made is that those who reject it do so knowing it is true. He said this for example of the Jews.
But Muhammad also said people should first be invited to Islam. Then, if they refused to become Muslims, they were required to accept the status of inferiors and submit to Islamic law, and then if they resisted that, they were to be killed and conquered.
Battle says
The report says Jamaican born. She did not consider the Arabs traded two black slaves for one white slave?
Save Europe says
Neither did Muhammed Ali….naming himself after the two primary slave traders.
PRCS says
https://news.yale.edu/2016/06/09/muhammad-ali-originally-named-ardent-abolitionist-and-yale-alumnus-cassius-clay
Muhammad Ali originally named for ardent abolitionist and Yale alumnus Cassius Clay
“When heavyweight boxing champion Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammad Ali after converting to Islam, he stated that his birth name was “a slave name,” adding, “I didn’t choose it and I don’t want it.” His new name, he noted, is “a free name” meaning “beloved of God.”
The name Ali inherited from his father — Cassius Marcellus Clay — was in fact given to his dad in honor of Cassius M. Clay, a fervent abolitionist who graduated from Yale in 1832.*”
gravenimage says
True, PRCS.
Save Europe says
Oh I wasn’t implying he deliberately named himself after Moh and Ali.
Was just pointing out the irony ?
PRCS says
Same.
Was just backing you up.
Save Europe says
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FYI says
So muhammed{PBUh,(actual) Prophecy Be Unknown to him}thought all people are born muslim?
But we all know.. Jesus Christ is JEWISH.
“We Jews know whom we worship because it is from the Jews that salvation comes”
Jesus Christ
John 4 v 22
That’s from the Gospel: a book allah confirms {koran 3:3,koran 5:46-47}
So how did Jesus the Aramaic speaking,Hebrew Torah reading Jew get to become the muslim “Jesus”, Isa ,an Arabic speaking muslim (..and speaking of babes..)who had the amazing ability to speak in a crib like an adult despite being a newborn infant?
“lo!i am the slave of allah .he hath given me the scripture and appointed me a prophet”
koran 19 v 30
….Said the infant in a crib;dawa folk insist this is “Jesus” speaking.
{That “lo!”What sort of infant would make such a declamatory statement?”lo”?LOL}
Perhaps some islamic “scholars” can explain to us how 1]Jesus the Jew apparently was a muslim and 2]how an infant in a crib can speak like an adult..is that one of those scientific “miracles” in allah’s koran?
We know allah forgot God’s name{it is YHWH,not “al lah”}.so did allah forget Jesus was JEWISH?
Save Europe says
Just to put things into perspective as to what the Metro is – for non U.K. readers –
1) it’s a free newspaper, found at stations etc, hence its large readership.
2) it’s also – to mirror how London is, as a City – obsessive about multiculturalism and very PC.
It is – unquestionably – a paper which panders to Muslims.
3) about 3 weeks ago, one of its female journalists, on their online website wrote a VERY controversial article which said ‘people should stop bleating about the supposed Muslim grooming gangs.’
gravenimage says
Disgusting, Save Europe.
Save Europe says
The disgusting article
https://t.co/gx4vKsMPh4
gravenimage says
Disgusting, all right. Also full of blatant lies.
RichardL says
I think the UK was lost more than 20 years ago. I studied in the UK and went back a few years ago and will never ever set foot in that horror of a once lovely country.
Save Europe says
I’d say it started in the early 90s with Blair.
That said, there are still many beautiful rural, bucolic areas in the U.K., which Muslims never dwell in. Just avoid the major cities, in truth.
Cornwall is definitely worth an investigation.
Save Europe says
Actually apologies! Probably later 90s. Blair was later than early 90s.
JamesC. says
Toe-nail Bliar was PM from 1997 to 2010.
Ecosse1314 says
Gordon Brown took over in 2007.. he was a tosser as well
Phil Copson says
“…RichardL says
Apr 27, 2020 at 6:21 pm
I think the UK was lost more than 20 years ago. I studied in the UK and went back a few years ago and will never ever set foot in that horror of a once lovely country….”
————————————————————————————————–
What ever are you chuntering on about, Richard ? What terrible, shameful thing happened to you in my “horror of a once lovely country” ? – did somebody attempt to engage you in conversation without having been introduced by a mutual friend ? or disagree over whether the milk should be added before or after pouring the tea ? Everyday life is absolutely fine, and I have no more concern over travelling around London than any US reader has about visiting Boston or the site of the Twin Towers.
Ditto, France: photos of illegal migrant encampments make a disturbing impression that bears no relation to anything I’ve seen when driving around France.
Instead of getting worked-up into a tizzy, I suggest you get over here – (or to France, Italy, Spain etc) hire a car, and enjoy yourself cruising round the Cotswolds in the sunshine: A sense of proportion will return…..
(Wellington generally signs off with a personal “Up Yours to the Ummah” by indicating that he’s about to enjoy a beer, a burger, and Beethoven – I’m off to tinker with my XK120 in salute to the late Stirling Moss.)
gravenimage says
Phil, Richard may possibly have been overstating things, but *surely* you don’t believe that there is no problem with bloody Jihad terrorist Muslims in Britain? By the way, I am not sanguine about Jihad terror in the United States or anywhere else in the West, either.
tim gallagher says
I have heard this garbage before about how everyone was born a Muslim. This has to be the greatest load of unadulterated bullshit in mankind’s history. Whoever came up with such nonsense (whether Muhammad or other people who fabricated Muhammad’s existence later on) had to have had some of the most diseased, truly bizarre minds that ever existed. Absolutely laughable and anyone who can believe such extraordinary garbage is insane. But, hey, any lie will do if it cynically advances the evil cause of Islam.
PRCS says
Dare her, just dare her to wear that getup in downtown Riyadh.
Or at a mosque in London,
Vladimir says
”Reversion” was also the justification for the Ottoman Turks to kidnap children of Orthodox Christians in the Balkans and force them to convert to Islam, and train them as Janissary troops in the armies of the Sultan. This went on for centuries.
eduardo odraude says
The claim that all people are born Muslim would be harmless if Islam were a religion of freedom that a Muslim could freely leave. But since Islam is an expansionist totalitarian system (though many Muslims know relatively little about their own religion and don’t realize their core texts teach totalitarian theocracy), the claim that people “revert” to Islam is not harmless theology to which one might or might not choose to adhere. In the Islamic context, the notion of “reversion” becomes rather another justification for Muslim aggression because, you see, non-Muslims have in effect been kidnapped as children from Islam, which was the original owner of everyone. Islam’s rights over everyone have been violated, you see. So Islam in attacking us is merely being self-defensive. Thus this notion of “reversion” is indeed an effort at usurpation, i.e., a cloaked attempt to weaken, sap, and take over other cultures at their foundations. Islam works by both kinetic and disinformation war, and the “reversion” concept is part of the disinformation war. A key strategy of Islam is to deceptively claim its rights have been violated and to use that as an excuse to take the offensive. This was true of Muhammad even very early in his mission. We all know of people intentionally take offense when little or none has been offered, and use that as an excuse to go on offense. Muhammad used that deceptive and self-deceptive approach on non-Muslims.
eduardo odraude says
I have come to think that the whole of Islam is well summed up in Muhammad’s well known statement that “war is deceit.” Fundamentally, Islam is war, and Islam is deceit, and nothing else.
gravenimage says
UK’s largest paper characterizes Muslim convert as “reverting” to Islam
………………….
That the Metro is enabling this creeping Shari’ah is just disgusting.
Battle says
Pansies.
mortimer says
Lisa Mercedez has endorsed Koran 4. 23-24 which decrees that Muslim men should rape married captives.
Lisa Mercedez endorses crimes against humanity and crimes against women that are commanded in the Koran.
What are you thinking, Lisa?
mortimer says
Lisa Mercedez doesn’t know that Mohammed forbade all music for pleasure. IT’S HARAM !!!
Hadith Qudsi 19:5: “The Prophet said that Allah commanded him to destroy all the musical instruments, idols, crosses and all the trappings of ignorance.” (The Hadith Qudsi, or holy Hadith, are those in which Muhammad transmits the words of Allah, although those words are not in the Qur’an.)
Muhammad also said:
(1) “Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded me to do away with musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affair of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance.”
(2) “On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.”
(3) “Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water does herbage.”
(4) “This community will experience the swallowing up of some people by the earth, metamorphosis of some into animals, and being rained upon with stones.” Someone asked, “When will this be, O Messenger of Allah?” and he said, “When songstresses and musical instruments appear and wine is held to be lawful.”
(5) “There will be peoples of my Community who will hold fornication, silk, wine, and musical instruments to be lawful ….” — Reliance of the Traveller r40.0
DP111 says
Britain and Europe are merely behaving like a defeated nations. They have lost faith, and they have lost everything. So it is now, that all leaders are prostrating themserves to Muslims.
Its pathetic.
UNCLE VLADDI says
RELIGION IS ALWAYS NOTHING MORE OR LESS THAN PARANOID HYPOCRISY:
Emotion and lies exert undue influence on logical decisions. Fear contracts and truncates decision-making time, limiting options.
Fear expressed as angry immediate hope of relief can also do the same, which is why fighters try to get their opponents angry.
Similarly, there are two kinds of “Haters!” because there’s two kinds of “Hate!” (perpetual anger) the real kind, and the fake kind.
There are also, therefore, logically two (binary) kinds of perpetually fear-focused “Paranoia:” the honest, and the dishonest, kinds.
Normal people are honestly “paranoid” but keep it where it belongs, in the background of their consciousness, as they quickly realize, accept, and even “Submit” to the fact that they can’t win against God/the Universe while it uses pain-causing damage, the fears of that pain, the greedy hopes of less and the apparently ultimately useless hope, no matter how angrily and dynamically expressed, of no more of any of it – so they don’t even bother to pretend that they should bother to try.
In this way, everyone is already born both a Buddhist (whose main credo is “Ignore life and you’ll go away!”) and a muslim (whose credo was originally supposed to be that one must allegedly peacefully Submit to God always being greater than you and anything else you could imagine or experience, but whose founder then decided that God would also get extra-angry with you for not following his own commands).
Judeo-Christianity also pointlessly expands on this basic truth experienced by everyone, to hypocritically add rules for salvation to the game, while also ultimately argumentatively admitting that, in the end, its proponents also really have no idea of the specifics.
Thus most people already know they’re ultimately screwed, and automatically Submit to that fact without needing priests to “help” them.
So the “real” paranoids accept and ignore the ever-looming fact of their eventual doom, while only those hypocrites who obsess about it are either too stupid or too opportunistic to admit it, and in stead try to delusively avoid it, and for some reason feel they have to distract them selves from thinking about it, by either trying to “correct” and “perfect” those honest other people who have already peacefully Submitted to that fact “for God/the gods” in order to greedily negotiate them selves out of their own fate, and/or by simply terrorizing and destroying everyone and every thing they can, in an admittedly ultimately futile attempt to, at ‘best,’ prove to their obviously violent and destructive gods that they can give as good as they got, or at least tried, to be worthy of it’s attention if not its respect.
Conclusion: RELIGION IS ALWAYS AN UNNECESSARY SCAM, AND ALL RABBIS, SWAMIS, GURUS, PRIESTS, AND MINISTERS ARE PARASITES. PERIOD.
😉
gravenimage says
The idea that every religion is the sane and that they are all slaughtering unbelievers is completely ridiculous.
gravenimage says
is the same
CogitoErgoSum says
I think most of the people who post here believe that religion is not something that should be forced upon others. Nearly all the comments, except those made by Muslims, come from people who support the freedom of the individual to follow his/her own religion or to follow no religion at all. If you don’t like religion I don’t care any more than I would care about whether or not you like broccoli.
Morrissey Jeffrey says
This rapperess is so un-self aware. Music is haram — prohibited. And she names a song “Shahada?” Good grief! That article may only be proof of poor editorship as from the name of the author, I suspect s/he is a Mohammedaness/Mohammedan.