History Made! 500 on Zoom & record breaking 15,000 plus online for our #RamadanAtHome virtual #iftar with @JustinWelby @chiefrabbi @CardinalNichols @bishopSarahM Imam Mahmoud @ArzooAhmed @TufailH @IRF_Ambassador @MishalHusain @NizamUddin1 & @SadiqKhan @MayorofLondon #Ramadan pic.twitter.com/t56072UA2i
— NazLegacyFoundation (@NazLegacy) May 6, 2020
The participation of so many Christian leaders (there were others besides the two Archbishops, including the Bishop of London) as well as the Chief Rabbi of Britain in the #RamadanAtHome initiative might seem at first glance to be a beautifully welcoming gesture of tolerance in a multicultural society. That is certainly how its organizers intended it to appear, and why the Christian leaders agreed to join in.
The entire incident epitomizes the malady of the Western world. It is of a piece with the ever-increasing number of cities in the post-Christian West that have amended their noise ordinances in order to allow for the broadcast of the Islamic call to prayer (adhan) over loudspeakers. The city officials in every case likened the adhan to the ringing of church bells, and in no case betrayed any awareness of the fact that in Sharia and many majority-Muslim countries, the ringing of church bells is forbidden, while the adhan is actually directed at churches during services. The broadcasting of the adhan, World Hijab Day, and #RamadanAtHome all stem from the same impulse: the intelligentsia has adopted the idea that Muslims are a special class that warrants particular consideration above and beyond that given to other citizens. As that is the status of Muslims under Sharia (Islamic law), the implications are ominous.
What these Jewish and Christian leaders who participated in #RamadanAtHome will ultimately find is that their Muslim partners in this multicultural endeavor have no intention of reciprocating their generosity and hospitality. Whether or not those Muslims participate in the endeavor, the Islamic imperative is instead to subjugate Christians and Jews under the hegemony of Islamic law. These Jews and Christians are already halfway there.
Dude says
At least they can’t get beheaded on-line. Corona akhbar!
FYI says
Happy ramadan to the archbishop of canterbury!
One of those smiley kumbayya Christians :the koran calls christians{and Jews} “the WORST of created being” {koran 98:6}
Happy ramadan to the chief rabbi!
One of those Jews:the koran calls Jews “be ye apes,despised and hated” {koran 2 v 65}
The adherents of islam have a particular plan for Jews:sahih Muslim #6985
But let’s not spoil the celebration..
But where is pope francis?Too busy perhaps undermining Christianity,demolishing Catholicism and inventing sins against the environment,a false theology which is exactly what the NWO need to justify what they do.
For the rest of us infidel Happy Ramadamadiddleydamn!
Nemo of Erewhon says
Part of the new world order is a new world religion dominated by Islam. “Christian” leaders will use the supposed acknowledgement of Jesus(Issa) in Islam to fool the people that Islam is in fact akin to Christianity. The Jewish religious leaders participating in this charade must be of a particularly stupid variety. They will probably point to the alleged similarities between Islam and Judaism and do their best to ignore the death threats and hatred and the eschatological extermination of the Jews in Islamic theology.
mortimer says
It sounds like these two gentlemen were coerced by the Home Office to celebrate this Jihad Festival.
Here’s some HAPPY RAMADAN quotes for the Chief Rabbi and Archbishop:
Tafsir Ibn Kathir (on Qur’an 9:30)— “FIGHTING (q-t-l = fight to the death) the JEWS and CHRISTIANS is legislated because they are IDOLATORS and KAFIRS. Allah the Exalted ENCOURAGES the believers to fight the polytheists, disbelieving Jews and Christians, who uttered this terrible statement and utter lies against Allah, the Exalted. As for the Jews, they claimed that UZATR was the son of God, Allah is free of what they attribute to Him. As for the misguidance of Christians over Isa, it is obvious.”
– Koran 4.48 – “Allah does not forgive the joining of partners with Him: anything less than that He forgives to whoever He will, but anyone who joins partners with Allah has concocted a tremendous sin.”
– Koran 9:30 “The Christians say the Messiah is the Son of Allah … may Allah FIGHT THEM TO THE DEATH (q-t-l); how they are turned away!”
OTTER says
It’s all one way street. Come and take our lands, our women, our laws. Everything here is yours for the taking.
The simple fact about Islam is that it cannot be loved into accommodation. It can only be vanquished.
As Robert Spencer has pointed out time and time again, the rule is very simple. In Muslim lands you must adjust to the Muslim sensibility and in non-Muslim lands you must adjust to the. Muslim sensibility.
Muslims are nothing if not consistent.
gravenimage says
Yes–this *is* all a one-way street. Muslims are not joining in in Christian or Jewish or other non-Muslim religious observances.
Uma Maheswar Nakka says
That’s the main reason for all this Global unrest.
Wellington says
Perhaps we live in a mad world after all. This would explain a lot.
mortimer says
The UK Home Office is filled with escapees from Bedlam … the lunatics have taken it over.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
I grew up in 1950s America…
Started sub primary in the 1959/1960 school year. Went to public schools – which were very good at the time. I also attended catechism on Saturday.
Started each school day with the Pledge of Allegiance and the Lord’s prayer (until 1962).
All through grade school, we sang Christmas carols, had a Christmas tree in the classroom, and exchanged presents.
And, as a young kid, I loved playing marbles, riding my bicycle, and playing Little League baseball.
Suffice it to say that I have very fond early memories of growing up in a medium-size classic Americana New England town. I was blessed with a very stable family – a wonderful mother, father, brother, and sister.
The cultural shift in the United States, at least from my perspective, started with the assassination of Pres. Kennedy. That seemed to be the true start of the 1960s – and the beginning of liberalism, leftism, etc. It was truly the beginning of the end of early “classic” post-World War II American life.
Fast forward to 2020, and it’s a “Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World” .
The world that I grew up in as a youngster is now totally unrecognizable – and I am feeling more and more like I don’t belong…
E T says
James, we were lucky to grow up in a gentle time, we had a chance to have a childhood free from all the smut of today. I too had wonderful parents, two brothers and a sister. We all had bikes, played musical instruments, played kick the can til dark, baseball, street hockey for hours on end and there was never any fear of strangers. Drugs were unheard of, most mothers stayed home and baked cookies, We went to the Anglican Church on Sunday, sang in the choir, worked hard in school and followed the rules.
My Grandchildren are home schooled, my son pulled my Granddaughter out of school in the first grade when the teacher sent home a note telling parents she was gay and was going to discuss this with her students. I was 18 when I first heard about gay people.
I have become my Grandmother. LOL. We do live in a mad, mad world and I thank God for people like you and many of the contributors to this site. You are so right about Tim, he is a solid, kind man. I will never waiver on my love of God, stay strong and well.
E T says
Giacomo, do you believe a teacher has the right to tell 5 year old about homosexuality, a boy is a girl, abortion is OK, Islam is wonderful, communism is a good thing. I have gay friends and they agree with me, let children be children. Our society has not allowed children to be innocent —Islam, you may marry a 9 year old permanently or temporarily.
Giacomo Latta says
Reply to E T:
Dear Cretin,
Don’t put words in my mouth by using your vaguely rhetorical question minus the question mark. If you think I have said such things then quote me.
Wellington says
Seconded, James. I am about your age and was brought up much as you were (including becoming a pre-Vatican II altar boy) but I no longer recognize the world I was born in. For me, the straw that broke the camel’s back came on June 26th, 2015 when the Supreme Court of the United States decreed in a 5-4 decision that same-sex marriage was a constitutional right.
This is absurdity. What, “I now pronounce you man and man;” “I now pronounce you wife and wife?” There is a constitutional right to gay marriage? And if you assert otherwise, you’re a hater. WTF? And what happened to the doctrine of original intent when dealing with what the Constitution means? It is simply impossible to assert that any Founding Father would have ever thought that the Constitution entailed the right for a man to marry another man.
I have nothing against gays and lesbians, know a fair amount of them because of my wife’s profession and many of them are very fine people, but if you can have same-sex marriage then anything is possible. ANYTHING.
The ancient Greeks were atypical in seeing nothing wrong with same-sex relationships but they knew that marriage, as the Roman Catholic Church has maintained since time immemorial, is for the procreation of children first and foremost and had to be between a man and a woman. The kissy-face/huggy-bear “stuff” is secondary. Not any more. It’s inversion time and loony time—selfish time too.
I would have no problem with civil unions for gays and lesbians (which also could be formed by two elderly sisters living together, a son taking care of his invalid father, etc.) because of such things as inheritance and estate tax issues and hospital visitation rights, but same-sex marriage has been the “tipping point” for me that reveals all too clearly that we do indeed live in The Age of Nonsense. And how many genders are there now—19?, 37? And the “trans” nonsense just leaves me not perplexed but disgusted, especially when a guy competing as a girl calling himself a girl though still looking like a guy competes against the girls and blows them away in sporting events because of the biological muscular, speed, pulmonary and quickness capacities the male has in significantly greater measure over the female.
Oh yeah, we live in a very, very strange age, which includes, as I know you know only too well, asserting again and again that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. Madness. Sheer madness. Ever increasingly I look inward because when I look outward I more and more do not like what I see.
Giacomo Latta says
Sounds like in the theoretical conflict between homosexuality as an accepted practice by those so interested and Islam you are backing Islam. Go join a religion that has not been infiltrated by homosexuals and thus performs only heterosexual marriage. Leave them to their newfound practice. While they have been invisible in the fight against a murderous so-called religion there will come at time when they will fight alongside us, probably when they start flying from the tops of minarets. In the meantime if you like to eat at classy restaurants think about who just cooked your meal for you.
Wellington says
Giacomo: First of all, I am not religious in the least. So you got that wrong. Here’s what else you got wrong. I have nothing against gays and lesbians. The only two things that are wrong where sex is concerned are sex with children and non-consensual sex. Other than that I don’t care.
What is stunning is how narrow-minded you are. If one thinks that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, then somehow you are a bigot. How about people who are against polygamy and polyandry? Are they haters too? So, I guess traditional marriage which has existed for millennia was just a bigoted institution all along until enlightened people like you pushed to have it extended so that gender doesn’t matter. Must be wonderful to be so much on the side of virtue as you are. And such tolerance too by you for alternative opinions.
And I don’t back Islam. Islam disgusts me many times over. Just because it might have a feature or two that I agree with does not equate to my backing it. I detest Islam, including its sanctioning of polygamy.
But as to Christianity, which I think has an enlightened ethic contra Islam, there is no way that one can conclude that you can be a Christian and practice homosexuality. It is specifically condemned in the Old Testament in Leviticus and by Paul in the New Testament in Romans and First Corinthians (Paul even specifically condemns lesbianism in Romans 1:26). And since Christians think both the OT and NT are divinely inspired how does anyone who is a Christian conclude acting upon homosexual inclinations as being just fine with the Judeo-Christian deity? Jesus also specifically condemns immorality, adultery and fornication so do you really believe Jesus would have had no problem with two guys getting married and thereafter having sex? Really?
Enough. Your turn if you care, enlightened one.
Nemo of Erewhon says
It doesn’t matter what the law says, a man cannot marry a man , a woman cannot marry a woman. It is impossible physically and spiritually. There is no legitimate sexual organ on a man for another man to consummate a marriage , anal penetration is a vice, an unnatural lust. A marriage that cannot be consummated is not valid. The same applies to female homosexuals. There is no way that a woman can consummate a marriage to another woman. Using a false appliance is not consummation. ,neither is other sexual acts. Homosexuals of either sex cannot be married spiritually ;they cannot become one flesh. God will not join man to man, woman to woman. Woman comes from man ,marriage reunites them in body during sexual intercourse and also spiritually during sexual intercourse committed in love as well as desire. Men and women, in the marriage as God planned, do become as one. Anything else is a counterfeit, a shabby imitation.
somehistory says
When the so-called “supreme court” decided that women had a “right”…according to the Constitution, which is supposed to guarantee the “rights” given by man’s Creator…to murder her unborn baby, it changed a lot of my thinking about the morality of the people in this country.
Females who want to end an innocent life, and will lie about the circumstances to salve their un-salvable charred consciences were told that God had given them the “right”…that couldn’t be taken away…to kill a tiny baby.
It’s evil enough that they wish to, it’s evil enough that nine imperfect humans could decide that a woman has such a “right,” but the depth of evil they exhibited when they said that it was a part of the “unalienable rights” bestowed upon man by our Creator, may be unmatched.
Since these idiots made such an evil declaration of what women can do to an unborn child, whose screams of pain in death can’t even be heard, there is no evil to which people will not stoop. To say that our Creator gave them such a “right,”….His rage has to be great toward them and all of the women who hire hit men and women to murder, and those who do such unholy killings.
He told us all how He felt about the people sacrificing their children to molech.
Wellington says
I can’t comprehend how any informed Christian can be pro-choice, somehistory. And religion aside, just invoking logic and ethics, since there is a disagreement as to when life begins, it is both logical and ethical to give the fetus from conception the benefit of the doubt.
Also, from a purely constitutional standpoint, I see no federal right to an abortion in the Constitution. Thus, this is a matter that each state should and must decide, which was the way of things before the Roe v. Wade decision in January of 1973. If the response be that this would prove a terrible inconvenience to women in states that disallowed abortion or severely restricted it, my response to such an objection is that the Constitution is not about convenience or inconvenience but about rights, from the federal level to the state level to the individual level.
James Lincoln says
somehistory,
I agree.
The only exceptions that I can think of are the “big three”:
1. If continuing the pregnancy would endanger the life of the woman
2. The pregnancy resulted from rape
3. The pregnancy resulted from incest.
These exceptions are actually quite rare, the vast majority of abortions are totally elective.
somehistory says
Thank you, Wellington. Your arguments are sound. One wonders how contrary *arguments* could win the day and the “right” to “life, liberty and happiness” of the unborn are thrown aside so easily
somehistory says
J.L.
First of all, doctors are frequently **wrong.** So, one may tell a woman that her life is at risk if she continues and gives birth, but, there is a big chance that he is wrong. Putting that aside, why should the woman’s life be more important than the life of the child?
After all, both are human lives. And, the woman has had an opportunity to pursue “liberty and happiness>” What gives her life more importance or worth in the eyes of our Creator and Judge?
I personally knew a young woman, now deceased, who had a serious heart condition. She became pregnant as a teen and the doc told her the pregnancy would kill her. He and the girl’s mother convinced her to end it. She did. I didn’t see her for many years afterward and when we finally met up again, she had a little girl.
We had a long discussion about those: things and she told me how much she had regretted letting the doc kill her baby; that she wished she had gone on with the pregnancy and if it killed her, at least she would have given the baby a chance. So when she found out she was again pregnant, she chose to do that very thing. She lived and so did her beautiful daughter. Only years later, after she married and her daughter was a young adult did her heart condition finally kill her.
Another woman I knew had a young daughter who was raped, became pregnant and she and her mother discussed the situation. A beautiful baby blessed this family. A second young woman had a similar experience, and since she was a part of my own family, asked me what she should do. I told her, as I am writing now, that the ***baby*** is not the one that should be punished for ***rape***…the rapist is the guilty person, while the baby is innocent. If the woman just can’t stand the thought of caring for a rapist’s child, then she can give her/him up for adoption. She should also remember, the baby is also a part of her and that is more important than the rape.
I had a long-time friendship with another woman…when we see each other, it’s as if we saw each other only the day before. When she was a teen, her brother raped her. She had a baby from that and the little girl had serious health problems…but she lived and her mom was glad that she had allowed this to be so. It was a sad situation, but life was given and my friend did not have the guilt my other friend felt her entire life for allowing her baby to be killed.
I agree that most of the murders of the unborn are because the woman just doesn’t wish to take care of another life besides her own. But I can’t agree that women should be allowed to discard the lives of their babies because of the “big 3.”
Even if…if, I could think in those cases it would be *ok*, people lie and many would claim rape, or mental anguish, etc. in order to have the “right.”
Another big **if**…even if I thought murder of the unborn was okay, God does not. And what is more, I never could think it. It is despicable.
When I read of a mother going though with a pregnancy to give her child a chance when it means giving up her own life, I feel so happy at the thought that some women want to do the right thing for their babies And sad that many of them lose their lives in order to give life to an innocent child. These women will receive a reward from our Creator.
“Abortion” is murder. The term for miscarriage, spontaneous abortion, has been altered to fit an **agenda** : To make premeditated murder of an innocent child “okay.”
If everyone…even those in favor…had to call it that, and not say “terminate a pregnancy,” or “abortion,” it wouldn’t seem so “okay” to so many. Just to the immoral and heartless, selfish scum, some of whom make a huge monetary profit from it.
There is a poem, written from the viewpoint of an unborn baby before it is murdered. Everyone should read it. And some poet somewhere, should write one from the viewpoint of babies who survive the premeditated murder, for awhile, but die all alone in a closet, or toilet, or trash can.
Okay. I’ll stop here, but my mind will go on and on until our Creator puts a Righteous stop to all of it.
somehistory says
Oh, one last thought…Why is it **wrong** and “unconstitutional” to use capital punishment on a rapist, even one who rapes a child, rapes his own child, but it’s also “unconstitutional” to prevent the premeditated murder of the unborn?
James Lincoln says
somehistory,
Thank you for your reply.
My current position is what even most conservatives agree upon, including a large percent of Christians. It is the current position of President Donald Trump and the past position of former President Ronald Reagan. That in and of itself does not mean that they are necessarily the “right” positions – I get that – but that is where most conservatives stand on the issue.
Regarding the “big three”…
Protecting the life of the mother:
Yes, doctors can be wrong. I wouldn’t advocate abortion unless the case was very clear-cut and beyond any reasonable doubt – with several doctors weighing in. A SEVERE and UNCONTROLLED case of primary pulmonary hypertension in the mother would be an example. In these severe cases, BOTH mother and fetus are likely to die without an abortion.
Rape:
Forcing a woman to continue her pregnancy against her will after being raped seems very cruel to me. You are correct, the fetus is innocent and this is a very difficult moral decision. But if the mother feels comfortable carrying the fetus to term, I would certainly support that option.
Incest:
Pregnancy as a result of incest can lead to severe genetic abnormalities. Recessive genetic traits can oftentimes express themselves – with tragic consequences. It doesn’t always happen, but there is a strong likelihood. Again, the mother would have the option of carrying the fetus to term if she were willing to take on the very appreciable risk.
I respect your views. Your arguments are certainly worthy of careful thought and discussion. And they are shared by many people who I respect greatly. I will definitely “reflect upon” your arguments.
As always, I will always rethink my positions if I am convinced that they need to be revised.
Best wishes.
somehistory says
J.L.
Thank you for replying.
One thing I noticed about what you wrote: what other people…imperfect humans **think** about the issue. How many imperfect…”conservative” though they may be,..people who consider themselves Christian, “feel” about this so serious a subject as the taking of the life of a child.
The way I look at it, and the way i attempt to look at everything in my life, is How Does God, our Creator, Life-Giver and Judge, feel about it? If I could take direct instruction from heaven, via God’s Voice, what would He say to me?
I have the closest thing I can get in the Bible. In the Psalms, God says He saw “the embryo” of David. He can see the embryo of every child ever conceived. In the Law to the Nation of Israel, He said that if during a fight between two men, a pregnant woman is injured and her baby dies as a result, this is treated as any other murder.
There is no guarantee that any child will be “perfect”…all body parts intact, no medical problems serious enough to cause life-long disability. Life has no guarantees presently, except the guarantees that Christ offers.
So, when it comes to ending the life of the unborn…and now, even those who survive the murder attempt, I look at it the way I believe Christ and His Father do. I don’t believe there is ever justification for ending the baby’s life.
Any time a woman gets pregnant, there are risks…both to her and the baby. There are no guarantees that even the healthiest of women will not have a problem with blood pressure, blood sugar, placenta previa, etc.
Women are killed by boyfriends and husbands…should they not have these men in their lives, just in case they might come to danger?
Women are killed by medications, car accidents, falling in the bathtub, on airplanes, in robberies, etc. Should they not engage in anything that puts their life in jeopardy?
Many couples today decide that if their doctor says there may be serious things wrong with their unborn, they can’t handle it and have the baby put to death early. However, I read only this week about a baby born in Orlando, Fl about five years ago, with only 20% of his brain. The reason he made this week’s news is that he died. The doctors had said he would not last more than a year, and would never have voluntary movement. They were wrong. He learned to pucker his lips to kiss, and to reach for toys and his parents. His picture was included and he was so very cute and sweet. His parents adored him, cherished him, loved him throughout and felt blessed to have had him. The father’s words about how precious is life to them really stood out to me.
I believe that much of what you wrote in your comment has to do with the emotions…about the life of the mother and possibly losing both mother and child if the child is not killed. But, emotion is not enough when it comes to taking a life.
And many women die when the guy/gal they hire kill the baby.
One thing about rape: the woman, or girl, never, ever. gets over it completely. Whether or not there is a baby to consider. But, ending the baby’s life doesn’t help..and killing it *is* “very cruel.”
You said that you would reflect on what I wrote, and I’m glad to know that. I suggest prayer also. God does answer and He’s the Best One to guide us. In all that we do and think and say.
I’m sorry if I’ve come on too strong in my reply, but this is so important to me. Babies are “gifts from God,” blessings from Him to make life richer, to pass along our knowledge of Him, Who is also their Father.
James Lincoln says
somehistory,
Thank you for your reply, I much appreciate the feedback.
You did not come on too strong – this is an important topic.
I do promise you this:
I will pray and reflect upon what you have said – and I will see where the path leads.
Thank you, and God bless.
somehistory says
Thank you, Mr. Lincoln.
I feel that God will help you see what He wishes you to see, the way He sees.
He used the prophet Isaiah to tell us that He wants us to listen to Him, and learn from Him so we can be truly happy, and “bless (y)ourselves”.
I pray that He will “pour out a blessing until there is no more want.”
mortimer says
Hey, Chief Rabbi … do you remember the RAMADAN WAR in Israel in 1973 ????
The month of Ramadan is the month of jihad, battles, victories and martyrdom, a month in which Allah grants military VICTORIES to His believers. It was during Ramadan that Muslims triumphed in many of their battles, among them the battle of Badr in 624 between supporters of Muhammad and a merchant caravan of the Quraysh tribe; the conquest of Mecca in 630 and of Andalusia in 711; the battle of Al-Zallaqa in 1086, in which Spanish Muslims defeated the Castilians near the city of Badajoz on today’s Portuguese border, and the 1973 attack against Israel, called ‘The Ramadan War’.
Let us CELEBRATE the MONTH OF DEFEAT OF KAFIRS, shall we? Let us celebrate our SUICIDE.
Cynthia in California says
Oh, dear God. I take (a small amount of) hope in the fact that no Orthodox archbishops, patriarchs, or other fancy-hat wearers were involved in this shindig. Orthodox Christians are well aware of the dangers posed to continued existence by Islam: the communities annihilated in the Mideast by ISIS (some dating back to the founding of Christianity), the continued persecution in Turkey, the illegality of building–or even repairing–church buildings in Islamic countries, and the whole nine yards.
I am gravely saddened by the co-optation of the Anglican, Roman Catholic, and (heaven help us) Jewish leaders in the UK to assist in their own forthcoming devastation.
gravenimage says
Alas, there are a lot of Orthodox Christian clerics involved in the appeasement of Islam. as well.
Cynthia in California says
I’ve somehow not become aware of this…. Where should I go for more information? *sorry to be so clueless*
gravenimage says
Not at all, Cynthia–I think many people are unaware of this.
Patriarch Kirill is the head of the Russian Orthodox Church:
“Four Principles from Patriarch Kirill on Islam, Western Immorality, and Interfaith Dialogue”
1. The Moscow Patriarchate looks forward to continued dialogue and strengthened relations with Muslim leaders, especially given the rapid decline of morality in the West.
…
Apparently he has no problem with Muslims marrying children, raping women, and slaughtering unbelievers. He does mention persecution of Christians in the Middle East in passing, but with *no* hint that slavery, Jizya and murder have anything to do with Islam.
Instead, he just dumps on the West as immoral.
Then there’s this bit of whitewash:
4. Islamist violence is contrary to the true principles of Islam.
https://myocn.net/four-principles-patriarch-kirill-islam-western-immorality-interfaith-dialogue/
Very disturbing stuff.
wpm says
These religious leaders are showing themselves as ‘weak horses” that gain no respect for their appeasing groveling behavior towards Islam.Their first duty is to protect their flock , to defend their faith not to appease the wolves at the church doors.
eddie says
According to 1John 2:22, the antichrist is the one who denies the Father and the Son.
The Koran teaches that God has no son.
Conclusion: The two archbishops are either thick or traitors.
By the way, I’m an atheist.
Michael Copeland says
What did the Archbishops and Rabbi think they were celebrating?
Learning Curve Needed.
mortimer says
They are celebrating RAMADAN the month in which kafirs are defeated!
gravenimage says
Yep.
Rufolino says
Whether consciously or not they were celebrating the religion of political correctness. And its two main laws: “diversity ” and “inclusion”.
somehistory says
“The participation of so many Christian leaders”
No **True** Christian…”leader” or otherwise…would do such a thing.
The Bible books from Matthew through to Revelation give us the actual names…and sometimes, secular occupations…of many True Christians.
Can any Christian who believes the Bible is the Word of God, and has read the verses about “drinking at the table of the Lord and the table of the demons,” or “eating at the table of the Lord and the table of demons,”…**not** being something that a Christian can do, imagine the Apostle Peter, or Apostle John, or John the Baptizer, or James, the brother of Jesus, or the Apostle Paul, or Jude, Bartholomew, Silas, …or any other faithful disciple of Jesus having a sharing in this unholy feast to satan?
These people who call themselves Christian, and pretend to **lead** others in “The Way” that Christians are supposed to walk, should try their hand at opening the Bible and read the account of the True Prophet of God, Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of ba’al found at 1 Kings 18.
These idiots who call themselves Christian, and pretend to give spiritual guidance to “the flock,” are “limping along,” evidently undecided as to Who really is the True God…the heavenly Father of Jesus Christ, or the current representation of satan the devil…ba’al of Elijah’s day, and the “wild beast” of islam in today’s world.
Honesty and integrity are certainly not these people’s strong points. No honest or integrity is found in islam, either.
FYI says
These so called Christians are either in denial or woefully ignorant of islam’s antichristian beliefs.I am no fan of kumbayya Christians with their naive cuddly
Gospel of nicey niceness.
I admire persecuted Christians,courageous apologists like David Wood,ex-muslims who become Christians and street preachers.I have no time for the appaling “prosperity” Gospel,televangelists{God or mammon:which is it?You cannot serve both}or lazy clergy{catholic or protestant}who pander to islam.
There is an authenticity test that will separate out the phoneys from the genuine{Matthew 7 v 21-23}:it’ll be an absolute miracle if a certain pope and senior clergy pass THAT test.Both catholic and protestant church leaders have scattered their flocks:I have no idea how they imagine they will get past Jesus Christ .Their failure to stand up for the Gospel will condemn them.Whenever I hear street preachers telling people to repent of their sins and make it right with God?THAT’S the Gospel as it should be preached,not some nice cuddly sermon by a clergyman telling his congregation how wonderful they are.
Dhimmi Christians and lefty Jews are part of the problem.
somehistory says
Our Almighty God gives commands and Laws based on His Standards and Lofty Principles.
He told the Jews not to mix it up with those who worshipped other ‘gods.’ The Nation of Israel was to set an example for other peoples so they could see how blessed were those who obeyed our Creator.
Jesus instructed His disciples to “make disciples,” not to mix it up with those who were not His disciples and were intent on “drawing away the disciples after themselves..’
I have no patience with fools who do as these so-called “leaders” are doing: and the things they are saying are just a pack of lies straight from satan.
I have been cursed and spit on by people who claimed to follow Christ. One either produces “fine fruit” or they produce “rotten fruit.” It’s really easy to see which these guys are producing.
FYI says
Islamic apologists,’holy’ men and those dissembling dawa teams are a lot like the priests of baal that Elijah dealt with:either they are willfully obtuse,stupid or intrinsically evil.
The real reason they reject the Truth given in the Gospel is explained in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 10-12:by rejecting the Truth given in the Gospel in favor of falsehood -“And so God sends the power of error to work in them so that they believe what is false”.
They choose to follow falsehood and will thus condemn themselves.Notice that God permits this separating of the wheat from the chaff and notice how for example,the convert to islam chooses to believe what is false{especially if they were Christian:they have no excuse as they will be judged by Jesus Christ,not “allah”}
As for many so-called “christian” leaders?
They are…
“whited sepulchres which look fine on the outside but are full of bones and decaying corpses on the inside.In the same way,on the outside you appear good to everybody but inside are full of hypocrisy and sins”
Matthew 23 v 27-28
Pope bergoglio and these Anglican British archbishops fit that mode entirely:instead of preaching the Gospel to the muslims they pander to them instead.
I choose to stay away from such clergymen:they appal me with their moral cowardice,their abject failure to preach the Gospel they claim to follow,their constant pandering to islam,their constant betrayal of Christ and Christians.
{Regardless of whether one comes from a catholic or protestant background,given the blatant treachery of the judas priests in these treacherous times,their watered down false Gospel,their cowardice etc:just go back to the Gospel and you will even find prophetic insights into what is going on in the world.Stay away from islam too.Converting would be a mistake:islam CURSES Christians koran 9:30 .Besides,if you know about the parable of the foolish bridesmaids,those who abandon christianity for islam etc are in that category.Joining the religion of antiChrist will have consequences that’s to to do with the advent of the Parousia}
somehistory says
I agree. Every choice one makes has “consequences.” And bad, evil, wicked choices have dire, unwanted, consequences.
The Bible says, “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.”
Iambob says
Great post, my brother! Keep speaking the truth.
Time is short and the call to ‘Repent’ (and turn to Christ for salvation) is more urgent now than ever. Particularly since “…the Islamic imperative is instead to subjugate Christians and Jews under the hegemony of Islamic law. These Jews and Christians are already halfway there.”
Bible prophecy warned we’d see this day: 1 Timothy 4: 1 and 2 Timothy 4: 1-4
May your tribe increase. Maranatha!
tim gallagher says
This sucking up to evil, violent Islam by church leaders is beyond my comprehension. I consider Islam to be the polar opposite of Christianity and the peaceful values that Christianity espouses. I don’t know if these clowns labour under the foolish assumption that, if they are really, really nice to Muslims, then the vicious Muslims won’t come after them. What a foolish attitude that is. Church leaders are meant to call out evil and Islam is obviously murderously evil. This sucking up to islam, this vicious ideology, is idiotic and dangerous. They should not cooperate in any way with Islam. They should very clearly state how evil Islam is.
James Lincoln says
tim,
What I like about your posts is the fact that you never miss the obvious.
You have an uncanny ability to readily detect – and callout – bulls**t.
My compliments!
gravenimage says
Agree about Tim, James.
Wellington says
So do I, gravenimage.
tim gallagher says
Thanks, James, gravenimage and Wellington. I think that I do have a pretty good bullshit detector when it comes to Islam and also to these surrender monkeys (if they do actually know that islam is evil, but still suck up to it), or maybe I should say these people who still don’t seem to have a fucking clue about Islam’s nature. But, most of the people who comment here at Jihad Watch are awake and aware. As I get around, I find so many people who don’t see how evil and barbaric islam is. As I’ve said to gravenimage before, most of my siblings, and some friends, are fairly left wing. They are probably nicer people than I will ever be, but I can see how they tend to buy the crap from the left wing media, although they are waking up to some degree when it comes to Islam. At some point, after so many terrorist attacks, etc, people do seem to wake up a bit. To them, I ‘m a bit of a far right loony in my political views, though, in most ways, an OK person. I must say, because so many people in our society say Islam is not too bad, etc, and I occasionally meet a Muslim who seems alright, I do think to myself, am I wrong about islam? Maybe it’s not as nasty as I think it is. But, mostly I do think it is obviously evil and that’s that. I cannot find redeeming qualities in Islam. It is good to read the comments of people here at Jihad watch, because they also have very good bullshit detectors, and many are far more knowledgeable people than I am, and I include you three people in the more knowledgeably class. With these church people, I believe that their job, or vocation (since I have a Catholic background) is, above all else, to call out evil, so, to me, this lying about islam is unforgivable. They should find out the truth and tell the truth about Islam.
gravenimage says
+1
Battle says
Pictured looks like Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London who sent his police outside London to harass, break down the door £200 damage, steal the Jewish man’s phone and man’s wife’s computer which she used for her work?
The archbishops and chief rabbi met with the Nazi-like mayor?
Steven Dawson says
When Infidels fall for Islam their love will be short lived ! !
Lydia Church says
This is like in a war, when one nation just takes a large amount of territory and hands it over to the enemy side, for free. Nothing in exchange. Not now, not later. No expectation of reciprocation, of ease and mercy in the future, nothing. Just point blank handing it over. That’s it. No fight even. Just handing it over like a bunch of complete air headed idiots! That is exactly what they have done, what they are doing, and what they will inevitably continue to do. It’s just over. And it’s partly the West’s fault!
Peter Clemerson says
Robert, could you please publicize the Muslim organizers’ expressions of good will to all Jews this coming September 27th, the date of the next Yom Kippur, and their equivalent expressions of good will to all Christians the following December 25th.
If there are no such expressions, can you publicize these lacunae instead?
Whichever options present themselves, they will be a telling straws in the wind.
arthur says
muslim the koran!!!s must kill all Jews and Christians before they can have their judgement day!!! It’s written in their war manual
R Russell says
Justin Welby started off OK. He was I believe a convert from Holy Trinity Brompton. Now I fear he is part of the end times apostate church. This is the man who forbad hospital chaplains from visiting Covid19 patients even if they asked for a visit from a clergyman.
He is also the person who refused to help Nissar Hussein who was being very badly persecuted and assaulted by the Muslims in Bradford once Nissar became a Christian.
I have switched the TV off today. I am sick and tired of hearing all about Ramadan on the news. All the good works the Muslims are doing because of people in lockdown. No mention of it being Zakat for only Muslims to benefit, or Dawah to non- Muslims as a way of proselytizing.
Nothing about Christians helping others. British Pakistani Christians are doing excellent work.
We as a UK nation will reap what we sow, unless there is a Christian Revival across the whole of our island nations. May YHWH God have mercy on us.
David says
I think it was Stephen Cottrell, Bishop of Chelmsford (and God help us Archbishop elect of York) who actually forbade giving unction to the dying. But I’ve no doubt Welby approved. And then we have the Bishop of Southwark acting like a Mafia godfather and threatening disciplinary action against priests who even pray alone in their own churches!
There are still many serious and devout Christians in the CofE among both priests and laity. But the leadership is utterly lost. I can’t help but be reminded of Ezekiel 34 where God denounces the false shepherds of Israel for not feeding His flock.
FYI says
“NazLegacyFoundation”?
Given islam’s vicious antisemitism,its koranic description of Jews as “be ye apes..to be despised and hated”{koran 2:65}{…oh listen!Don’t tell the chief rabbi..} ,the Christians{“the WORST of created beings ” koran 98:6:should we tell the smiley kumbayya christians like Welby?Nah},its intolerance towards all other religions,hostility to free speech,ideology of violence,its Doctrine of HATE{al walaa wal baraa}… shouldn’t that be the…
….NaziLegacyFoundation…..?
For after all,what is islam but religious Nazism.No wonder hitler admired islam.
An antiJewish,antiChristian,totalitarian ,violent ideology of hate.
As for all this cuddly interfaith dissembling..
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends,they are friends to one
He among you who taketh them for friends is one of them”
Koran 5:51
Do you see that?any muslim who makes friends with an infidel is an INFIDEL.
Did the muslims fail to point that out?
{allah MIsSED that essential 2nd CHIEF commandment of the Actual God YHWH lev19:18 didn’t he?Of course allah also MISSED the Golden Rule{it is not in islam} defined by Jesus Christ as “the MEANING of the Law of Moses and the teachings of all the prophets”Matthew 7 v 12}
Perhaps all those smiley naive christians should start to dust down that Bible and take it seriously,especially these church leaders:note especially Matthew 7 v 19,Matthew 7 v 21-23:The Authenticity Test.
See if anyone can explain how allah teaches the OPPOSITE of the 2nd Chief Commandment of God,violates the First chief commandment{allah is NOT a God of Love but a god of hate}gives permission to violate every one of the Exodus 20 Decalogue laws,MISSED the Golden Rule,MISSED the Holy Spirit[the Helper,given to mankind to assist in understanding god:odd how allah MISSED that isn’t it?},gets Christian Theology wrong{allah has MARY-yes,MARY-in the Trinity koran 5:116}and thinks Jesus is a muslim called isa who had the Gospel scripture…. as a baby whilst still in the crib {koran 19:29-30}
How did allah,the champion deceiver k3:54 {Hint#1} MISS the Golden Rule?
How did muhammed{who admitted to being a false prophet Al tabari 6;111]{ Hint #2}receive his quran in a cave with conveniently no witnesses?
How can the quran come from God when the Holy Spirit is MISSING in islam{Hint#3}?
So many questions!
But the Doctors of Divinity cannot cope with the wisdom of the Holy Spirit..an aspect of God that allah seems desperate for muslims NOT to believe in{koran 4:171 along with the denial of Christ’s Crucifixion k4:157}
But let’s not upset the “christians”…with the Truth they cannot handle.It is easier for them to live in denial:just like the Foolish Bridesmaids {Matthew 25}but just like them so shall it be for phoney “christians”.You won’t get past Jesus Christ and neither will the muslims!
allah MISSED the Golden Rule{=”the MEANING of the Law of Moses..”}{matthew 7 v12]
allah MISSED the Holy Spirit
allah MISSED the 2 chief commandments{=”the whole of the law of Moses..”}{matthew 22 v 37-40}
allah MISSED the role of the Jews{John 4 v 22 “it is from the Jews that salvation comes”
In his “perfect” koran …that has no mistakes in it….;well,except for all the Theological,Logical,Scientific and even Grammatical errors in it.
somehistory says
++100
j.p.theo as el Cid 2 says
As Churchill said – those who feed the crocodile hope that they will be eaten last. (Christian and Jewish leaders who celebrate Ramadan?).
Islam is that crocodile – an enemy within (much harder to defeat then an external enemy).
Has the West proved to be the “weak horse” of Osama bin Laden?
A further observation – the ancient Jews fought against the followers of molech or baal in part because of child sacrifice. Now we find ourselves sacrificing (aborting) fully viable late term babies. What is wrong with us?
Dieks62 says
It is obvious that most of todays ‘so-called’ religious leaders are in cahoots by resorting to pandering to the ‘dc’ that wishes us all dead & have turned themselves into real cowardess Quislings: are lending themselves to act as the Trojan Horse of their faith to benefit our worst enemy, that of ☪️! The actions of these cowards most certainly won’t move any of these ‘dc’ leaders to repay those favours in the near future when it concerns any christian/judean celebrations: more so, it won’t attract more sheeples to attend the masses in their churches or cynagoges, but turn even more of them away from their permanently! So it always makes me wonder what their true dark agenda is behind all this????
Rob Roy says
take it very simple… by a gov official who is now in service for health care and visit potential Corona patients to test at home, to spare a doctors visit and not risk a corona spread. ALL his muslim colleagues steps down, with the words: they will not do health care for christians. What also upset him… because of the border lock down and the lack of workers for the farmers, that refugees collectively reject doing field work. ‘this is a job for christians!’ and other words he heard… A real enrichment for the society.
gravenimage says
Here’s another useful idiot:
“Cardinal Vincent Nichols, president of Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales, celebrates Ramadan at home”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/05/cardinal-vincent-nichols-president-of-catholic-bishops-conference-of-england-and-wales-celebrates-ramadan-at-home#comment-2235284
Phil Copson says
“…. the intelligentsia has adopted the idea that Muslims are a special class that warrants particular consideration above and beyond that given to other citizens. As that is the status of Muslims under Sharia (Islamic law), the implications are ominous….”
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“Unintelligentsia” – you mean: politics, the media, and religion are “humanities” subjects for which no ability other than being able to parrott received opinion and blather are required.
A civil engineer whose bridges fell down, a lawyer who couldn’t grasp the facts of a case, or a mechanic who couldn’t change a spark-plug wouldn’t last too long, because professions and trades require the practitioner to have some observable degree of competence.
Politics – which requires no end-product or any measurable target to be achieved by the end of the working-day – has a tremendous attraction for talentless self-important people who can’t wire a plug or change a wheel, but nevertheless know exactly how the world should be run, and how other people should live their lives.
People with high self-regard but incapable of actually earning a living by their own efforts, naturally gravitate towards the public sector where they can live off the efforts of those whom they despise.
Would anyone feel safe letting Justin Welby fix their brakes ? Diane Abbott administer their drugs ? or trust Jeremy Corbyn to drive the school mini-bus ?
(Like the character Orr in Joseph Heller’s novel “Catch-22”, who “had a hundred useful skills which would keep him poor for the rest of his life…”, I’m now off to prove that I’m no politician, journalist, or religious sell-out, by completing the re-wiring of a friend’s ’46 Mercury: Bet you Mohammed couldn’t manage it……)