“Even the church’s pastor took part in the service. ‘I gave a speech in German,’ said Monika Matthias. ‘And during prayer, I could only say yes, yes, yes, because we have the same concerns and we want to learn from you. And it is beautiful to feel that way about each other.'”
Did the Muslims actually say that they wanted to learn from the Christians? Or is Monika Matthias just assuming that her feelings are reciprocated? Given the supremacist contempt that the Qur’an inculcates for Christians, whom it terms “the most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6), it is unlikely in the extreme that it is reciprocated. But anyone who notes that will be dismissed as “Islamophobic.”
In any case, this is wonderful. When will the imam of the mosque invite the Christians to come to the mosque and pray Christian prayers? Anyway, while we are waiting for that invitation, here are some more lovely and inspiring Qur’an selections that the Muslims at Martha Lutheran Church might have recited:
Qur’an 98:4-6: “Nor did those who were given the Scripture become divided until after there had come to them clear evidence. And they were not commanded except to worship Allah, [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion. Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.”
Qur’an 5:14: “And from those who say, ‘We are Christians’ We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.”
Qur’an 5:17: “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, ‘Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?’ And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.”
Qur’an 4:157: “And [for] their saying, ‘Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.’ And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.”
Qur’an 4:171: “O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, ‘Three’; desist – it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.”
Qur’an 5:116: “And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, ‘O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, “Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?”‘ He will say, ‘Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.’”
Qur’an 19:35: “It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.”
Qur’an 9:30-31: “The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the son of Allah’; and the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the son of Allah.’ That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.”
Qur’an 9:29: “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
“Ramadan: German church opens doors for Muslim prayers,” BBC, May 23, 2020:
A church in Berlin has opened its doors to Muslim worshippers unable to fit into their mosque under new social distancing rules.
Germany allowed religious services to resume on 4 May but worshippers must maintain a distance of 1.5m (5ft).
As a result the Dar Assalam mosque in the city’s Neukölln district could only hold a fraction of its congregation.
But the Martha Lutheran church in Kreuzberg offered to help by hosting Friday prayers at the end of Ramadan….
“It is a great sign and it brings joy in Ramadan and joy amid this crisis,” the mosque’s imam told Reuters news agency. “This pandemic has made us a community. Crises bring people get together.”…
Even the church’s pastor took part in the service.
“I gave a speech in German,” said Monika Matthias. “And during prayer, I could only say yes, yes, yes, because we have the same concerns and we want to learn from you. And it is beautiful to feel that way about each other.”
Jay Norris says
What a sad, sad day for the Holy Sanctuary in God’s house. To invite any non-believer into the church is a good and welcome idea but to allow a false religion to openly worship a fake god is an insult to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
somehistory says
It is an insult and the Bible says, “Do not be misled; God is not One to be mocked, for what a man is sowing, he will also reap.”
We have been given many historical examples of what happens when a people or person mixes Truth with falsehood. There will be no blessing for those who do this thing.
JHL says
If the Muslims want to take their chances with Corona virus, let them!
Rolf Wittwer says
Forget “Corona” now – this ist just another lost battle in this ongoing terrible psychological war against our western civilization. Check the “Charta of the Islamic Brotherhood” – shocking!
When are we waking up?????
alma says
JHL, No, that’s not their point, they would love to squash non-muslims. Infiltrating their places of worship is a good beginning. Poor German Christians, give them enough rope and they will …..
gravenimage says
True, Alma.
James says
I think the churches should never do this. It would be one thing if the muslims were being persecuted, but that is usually not the case. Rather they want to persecute Christians and Jews, destroy their cult monuments, churches, synagogues, temples everywhere. They should tell the Muslims this far and not further, set limits that they cannot overstep and hold them back. Otherwise, one is simply yielding endlessly with no prospect of reciprocity or reward, except in Heaven.
Eva says
Will she still be ‘yes yes yes’ when they’re sawing the heads off her congregation?
gravenimage says
She is probably in complete denial that Muslims represent a danger to her flock or the rest of Germany.
Rufolino says
Criminal ignorance of the truth about Islam.
Shame on the church paxtor, leading the congregation in a completely wrong direction.
Eventually the fundamental conflict between Islam and Judaeo-Christian culture in Europe will explode in violence.
When this happens examples of appeasement, such as this, will be held in utter contempt, as was Chamberlain’s prewar appeasement of Hitler..
Eva says
Ignorance, wether conscious or unconscious, is no excuse.
And to put it bluntly, I doubt her actions were done in ignorance.
She sounds like one of the snowflakes, virtue-signalling and whitewashing with all her might.
I wonder how she will feel when the blade is at her throat? Not that I care, to be honest. I’m more concerned about the innocent victims.
gravenimage says
Eva, I find the idea that she is deliberately exposing her flock to the violence of Islam because she hates them and wants to see them have their throats cut implausible.
I do agree that there is no excuse for this sort of ignorance, especially among leaders–that being said, it is rife.
GOLDMANN says
Eva 👍👍.what a blind fool.🙄
E T says
When, if ever, was the last time this heretic read the bible?
CogitoErgoSum says
What does Monika Matthias wish to learn from the Muslims – that there is a Trinity consisting of Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Does she not already know that a person must be born again of water and the Spirit in order to enter the kingdom of God? Will the Muslims teach her these things? No, these are things she should have been taught as a Christian and if she is not teaching them to the Muslims also then she has failed to learn that which Christ taught.
eddie says
The Roman Catholic Church would disagree with you:
20th century Catholicism introduced the doctrine of the Anonymous Christian (Karl Rahner).
This teaches that the Holy Spirit is even found in some members of other faiths.
Rahner was the most important Catholic theologian of the 20th century. For Rahner, even some Muslims belong to God’s elect.
By the way, I’m an atheist.
gravenimage says
What “eddie” is is a regular apologist for the savagery of Islam.
eddie says
I point out Roman Catholic teaching on the Holy Spirit and you describe me as a regular apologist for the savagery of Islam.
You get creepier by the day.
gravenimage says
How does my pointing out that “eddie” is a regular apologist for Islam–which he is–make me “creepier by the day”? I will not expect a cogent answer from the ugly poster.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, I know you are an atheist, Eddie. My father was also an atheist and I know that atheists can be good people who lead good lives. I’m not familiar with the “Anonymous Christian” theory but I don’t discount the idea. Still, Jesus did say that those who wish to enter the kingdom of God must be born again by water and the Spirit. I don’t know what happens in the last few minutes or seconds of a person’s life so perhaps everyone is given a chance through either desire (in place of water) or by the shedding of blood, to receive the Spirit. Christ is the final Judge over what becomes of our souls. However, Christ in His final words to his Apostles instructed them to make disciples of all men and to baptize everyone in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This makes it quite clear, at least to me, that those who know of Christ and who believe in Him should work towards spreading His teachings to all places on Earth. The last thing I would interpret those words to mean is that Christians should assist with the spread of other religious teachings or belief systems that deny the divinity of Christ or the belief in a triune God.
FYI says
@eddie
It is absolutely NOT true that the Holy Spirit is found in other religions and who cares what Theologians like rahner think:they are the very ones who know nothing about the Holy Spirit.
I simply laugh out loud at rahner:it just shows you how silly and foolish many of these Theologians and academics are.
And of course rahner was a jesuit,one of Bergoglio’s lot.
There is a difference between knowledge and Wisdom and the wisdom to understand God through the HS is on another level;such understanding would be lost on most academics and theologians.
It was clearly lost on rahner.And i’ll wager rahner is not currently part of God’s elect.
Since..
“I will DESTROY the Wisdom of the Wise and set aside the understanding of the scholars”
1Corinthians 1 v 19
A teaching Theologians and Academics don’t get.
What does it profit a man to have a Doctorate in Theology only to lose his soul through the sin of intellectual pride?
By the way,I’m a former atheist.
{After religious zealots the militant atheist comes a close second.
I thank God i’m an infidel:not in any church having to listen to phoney clergymen and free of having to waste time with militant atheists….{i’m not talking about reasonable folk who call themselves atheist;that’s fine by me}…who could be described as suffering from an intellectual form of arrested development.
No one is more obsessed with God than militant atheists:they argue endlessly about some God.It’s like watching a puppy going round and round in circles chasing his tail gsining nothing,achieving nothing.Thank God I got free of the militant atheists ….and phoney clergy.
“God,what God?I thought you were atheists….”}
E T says
Eddie the atheist meet Monika the heretic.
Linde Barrera says
To “eddie”- Please tell us what country you live in, and also what brought you to disbelieve in God.
Gravenimage is a very smart lady, a critical thinker, and she calls it as she sees it. For anyone to say she is “creepy” is incorrect and false. Do you feel threatened?
gravenimage says
Thank you, Linde.
I have *never* threatened eddie–and never would. Of course, he knows this.
Crusader 666 says
Does the Pastor believe that kow-towing to the invaders will guarantee the safety of him, and his congregation? Or will he, and they, one day be on their knees, dressed in orange cover-alls, and with a Jihadist knife slicing their throat? I know the answer to my question!
karmi says
The pastor is a woman and not incidentally, a heretic.
gravenimage says
She seems to be more a gullible fool than anything else.
E T says
You need to try reading the bible also. You do not get to pick and choose, you follow the teachings of the bible. She be a heretic.
Uma Maheswar Nakka says
Indeed it is taking a risk
mortimer says
INTOLERANT, ANTAGONISTIC ISLAM DOESN’T BELONG IN CHURCHES …
Islam is explicitly dedicated to the destruction of Christianity.
Islam was designed by Caliph Abd al Malik as a frontal attack upon historic Christianity. The caliph intended to destroy Christianity and created his own religion to do that. Abd al Malik integrated intolerant, discriminatory teachings and discriminatory practices into Islam that he thought would persuade Christians to convert to Islam.
The Koran actually makes Christianity’s core teachings a cause for the DEATH SENTENCE. The central teaching of Christianity (the divinity of Christ) is THE REASON why Muslims should FIGHT Christians and subjugate them using violence (q.v. Koran 9.29). Islam denies about 97% of the Nicene Creed. As well, Islam entirely denies the core of Christianity: the death by crucifixion, resurrection and divinity of Christ. This is called ‘the kerygma’ of Christianity. Islam calls the core of Christianity blasphemous and punishes these beliefs by divine decree. Islam is at war with the Christian church and the Koran spells that out.
Pastors who don’t get it, had better get up to speed. ISLAM IS VERY HOSTILE AND ANTAGONISTIC TO CHRISTIANITY. Christians should not be promoting the ideology that wants to destroy their faith.
“Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?” (Matt.12. 22-28)
14 verses in the Koran tell Muslims not to be ‘comrades’ with Jews and Christians. Koran 9.29 tells Muslims to (q-t-l) Jews and Christians (q-t-l = fight to the death).
Chrissie01 says
Bill Warner, the physicist who became an expert on the qur’an, calculated that 69% of the book’s content is hostile
Kepha says
Amen and Amen, Mortimer.
gravenimage says
+1
FYI says
“I gave a speech in German” squeaks Monika Matthias excitedly.
well: woohoo for monika!
And auf Deutsch too:how marvellous.
‘Bist du verruckt meine schatz monika?”
islam 101 for moronic STUPID dhimmi christians….
1] the koran CURSES Christians for believing in Jesus Christ {koran 9:30}
2]the koran denies Christ’s crucifixion {koran 4:157} and the Trinity {koran 4:171}
In fact allah gets Theology wrong in koran 5:116:allah,idiotically, has MARY{yes that’s right,MARY} in his EPIC misunderstanding of the Theology behind the Trinity{“Jesus”,Mary and allah}
3} the koran CURSES Christians and Jews as “the WORST of created beings” {koran 98:6}
4]allah teaches the OPPOSITE to the 2nd chief commandment of the Actual God {whose name is YHWH,not “allah”} in koran 5:51.
There is none of that “love thy neighbor” infidel stuff in islam…
islam in fact has a Doctrine of Hate, al walaa wal baraa.
5]allah COMPLETELY MISSED the 2 chief commandments of YHWH{=the purpose of the law of Moses see Matthew 22 v 37-40} AND the Golden Rule{=the meaning of the Law of Moses Matthew 7 v 12 } AND the Holy Spirit too.
{THAT is some record for a one-legged,two-right handed,linguistically,theologically,scientifically and logically challenged idiot of an ARAB god,desperate to impersonate the Actual God,YHWH}
6]….And allah’s greatest ENEMY? A MAN called the ‘king of kings'{Sahih Muslim vol 5 hadith #5611}Can you guess who that might be?
allah{the best of deceivers k3:54} has as his enemy,a MAN called the King of Kings
{Remember that when you hear that islamic call to ‘prayer’}
Jesus save us all.. from stupid, smiley, namby-pamby,happy-clappy, cuddly kumbayaa Christians…go read what Jesus said in Matthew 7 v 13-14.
And Christians should read the Bible too and take it SERIOUSLY:Matthew 7 v 21- 23, an authenticity test many naive christians won’t pass.
{yes,yes,yes say fools like monika:It’ll be no,no no when Jesus judges them…Did monika preach the Gospel to the muslims?Why bother, if she thinks as pope bergoglio does,that allah is the same as the Christian God?}
Chrissie01 says
Ihre Schatzele Monika ist nicht verrückt, bloß doof und gehirngewaschen 🙂
Your darling Monica is not crazy. Just idiotic and brainwashed…
FYI says
“And it is beautiful to feel that way about each other” she says.
beautiful?
muslims CURSE christians and Jews in their fatiha “prayers” every single day.
mortimer says
Australian theologian and anthropologist Rev. Mark Durie begged Christian pastors not to offer their chapels for Islamic prayers that CURSE Jews and Christians.
He has written: “Churches should not welcome into their buildings the veneration of Isa the Islamic Jesus, who, as a true Muslim, is intended to bring about the final, violent destruction of Christianity. By all means, let Christians show kindness to their Muslim neighbors, but the sentiments embedded in Islamic daily prayers, which curse Jews as the target of Allah’s wrath and Christians for going astray, can have no place in a Christian church – even if recited in the cadences of classical Arabic.”
Mark Durie studied and can read Arabic.
Kepha says
Mark Durie is right. I hope his next book is an attack on the liberal Protestant and Holiness- Pentecostal practice of ordaining women. Preacherette Monika sounds like a true heir of Eve the First listening to the voice of the Old Serpent.
Those poor German Protestants! Having their faith eroded by higher criticism of the Bible for the last two centuries, they now have these preacherettes like Schwester Monika who opens up the Martha Kirche for no other purpose than to prove how “progressive” and “multicultural” she is.
My guess is that Preacherette Monika is probably as ignorant as the day is long of not only the Qur’an and Hadith, but also of the Bible and the Protestant Confessions such as the Book of Concord (if Lutheran) or Heidelberg Catechism (if Reformed). It’s been my experience that most who are reared or schooled in liberal forms of Christianity [?] finds Islamic architecture and recitation aesthetically pleasant, since they are ignorant of the language and thought they conceal. I smell as well someone who has taken the supposed death of God seriously, and hence goes out seeking a new one.
Of course Preacherette Monika is not in conflict with the Muslims. She probably believes that people are too good to need the radical medicine of Christ’s Incarnation, active obedience, atonement on the cross, descent into death, resurrection, and ascencion. She probably believes that “if Jesus truly lived, he’s still dead”. She probably sees the Bible at best a collection of odd Middle Eastern tales with an occasional pretty passage from the Psalms to quote once in a while; and probably isn’t sure there is either God or a world to come. Maybe she sees in the Muslims a faith which she wishes she could have.
This is one reason why Uncle Kepha has no use for liberal theology, of either Protestant or Papal variety. It has become so open-minded that its brains have fallen out of its head.
curious says
@Kepha, you emphasize that Monika is a woman, and use this episode as a reason to oppose ordaining all women, but can you please tell me how she differs from Pope Francis? She appears to be fulfilling his exhortation that Europeans must do more to support Muslim migrants. Do the majority of male priests say to exclude Muslims from Europe, or even European churches? What is your basis for attributing widespread misconceptions among both men and women to the fact that she is a woman? And, in terms of persuasion, how do you hope to build or maintain a coalition of support by mocking her as a “preacherette”? These are serious questions that I am trying to understand.
Islam infiltrates because promoters of Islam use great skill in recruiting the disaffected and in building strategic alliances of convenience. For example, Marxists and Muslims cooperate in the short term, even though the knowledgeable believers in each group each expect ultimately to eliminate the other group. In contrast, westerners divide their own house against itself, marginalizing each other and making cooperation difficult or impossible.
How would you hope to persuade Monika and her flock by calling her a “preacherette” and saying she should never have been ordained? Would the same tactic work on the Pope, who says essentially the same as she does?
gravenimage says
True, curious. Good post.
Kepha says
Frankie Boogaloogaloo is another exhibit in the case against ordaining women.
gravenimage says
Kepha, Pope Francis is not actually a woman himself.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that quote from Mark Durie, Mortimer.
Chrissie01 says
And it is beautiful to feel that way about each other…says Monika, the sleep sheep…
Me – being German – I have no words to express how embarrassed I feel about gullible idiots like her.
I am quite sure, that the other side does not reciprocat her feelings.
This is a war, jihad, where one side has not yet caught on that there is one at all…
Kepha says
Wir wollen unser alten Martin Luther wiederhaben!
mortimer says
Does Monika Matthias know any of the Koranic verses quoted above by Robert Spencer? No? Why not?
Why would a Christian pastor *not know* and study ALL the Koranic verses that refer to CHRISTIANS or to CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS? Shouldn’t she LOOK before she LEAPS?
How can there be ‘outreach’ if Monika Matthias doesn’t know what Islam actually teaches? What is she reaches out to?
She has given an invitation for Muslim supremacists to share their supremacism. Robert Spencer is correct: they will certainly not reciprocate. I couldn’t find examples of mosques inviting Christians to worship on major Christian festivals in mosques. There may be, but such examples must be very few.
Where has a mosque opened its doors for Christian worship on a Christian festival … Easter ? … Christmas?
Or Trinity Sunday?
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, how about a Jewish Rabbi, who spent 5 years after a Bachelor’s to be a Rabbi, teaching sincerely to never stop asking questions over and over because no answer is complete, refuse to check on the nonsense (taqiyya) he was told by a muslim teacher in his rabbinical education, after watching the murder of hundreds of thousands by muslims in his lifetime? I will never understand.
Christians are not alone in their massive and suicidal self-deception. I pray in my own way for all.
Kepha says
@Mortier and Frank:
This theologically trained Christian knows a few things about Islamic theology–at least enough to know that if Islam is right, we are wrong; and if we are right, Islam is blasphemy.
Speaking as a Christian, pastors are generally recruited from among men (I am an emphatic opponent of women’s ordination) who have a genuine love and concern for their fellows. Hence, they accept a poorly-paid, stressful, tough-on-families, service-oriented career. Rather than being told to sbumit, suibmit, submit, they must wrestle with a book which has Job, certain Psalms, Jeremiah, Doubting Thomas and Simon Peter the Deserter among others. Hene, question, question, question–although be prepared for God to speak out of the whirlwind or the reusrrection of the Messiah.
WHat sometimes happen is that you have men who tire of telling sinners that they are sinful, and who truly wish to embrace to worldwide millions in brotherhood while forgetting that God said, “Jacob have I loved and Esau I have hated” (Mal. 1:2-3; ROm. 9:13). They will then skip over the tougher points of doctrine and let an originally sound emotion get the better of them.
In Preacherette Monika’s case, my guess is that she’s basically a relatively kind-hearted soul with virtually no grasp of either Scripture or traditional theology.
James Lincoln says
Frank,
Some people hold their “cherished beliefs” so firmly that they refuse to question them even after broadsided with factual evidence to the contrary.
I do not do this, you do not do this, and other clear thinking people do not do this.
Perhaps they cannot take that first step – admitting to themselves that they were wrong. To do so may require drastic changes in their life in order to restore cognitive balance: who they associate with, what political party they support, etc.
Just think of what would happen to Pope Francis if the “lightbulb” finally one off and he finally understood islam at the level of the average savvy Jihad Watch reader. He would have to make some very serious changes.
Just my own personal theory…
Frank Anderson says
James your personal theory is sound with a suggested addition. The teaching that I mention often does not require that the previous answer be wrong to justify subsequent examination. According to the teaching, every answer contains error and deception. Each time the question is asked the level of error is reduced, but never eliminated. Now how can you teach and live that more than 60 years and fail to observe it?
James Lincoln says
Frank,
I have pondered your question regarding the Jewish Rabbi – and am at a loss for an answer.
Sometimes we just have to accept the limitations of our fellow human beings…
Frank Anderson says
James, the big conclusion I reached in writing and conducting my adopted mothers funeral is there are some things in life we are not given to understand.
This Rabbi is a friend and inspiration, even after he retired and left 5 years ago. What I learned from and with him for close to 30 years will never be lost as long as I live. Life goes on. Come South. You have friends here. My friends are your friends.
gravenimage says
True, Frank. There are a *lot* of people in denial.
Peter35 says
Yet another western woman grovelling to islam; is there no end to terminally guileless westerners, particularly women?
Still, the western world continues it’s surge toward islam, and far from slowing down, the speed seems to be increasing!
gravenimage says
There seem to be as many or more clueless men, including many Christian clerics. It is not as though the only dhimmis are women.
Brian Hunter says
I believe there is no other way to explain the deluded actions of so many Christians regarding “The Religion of Peace” than this passage from 2 Thessalonians:
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
somehistory says
+100
FYI says
That passage 2 Thessalonians 2 v 10-12 also explains why muslims walk away when confronted by the Truth given to them by Christian Street preachers.
By choosing what is false instead of the Truth revealed to them,they instead believe the lie of their islam/conversion to islam and the delusion empowers them:look what happens when somebody converts to islam with a view to becoming a jihadist.
Notice how “the power of error works in them so they believe what is FALSE” ,how they insist what they are doing is moral and notice how God permits this.
By their wrong choice they prove themselves false by following a lie:note that God permits this ‘strong delusion’:so the chaff separate themselves from the Wheat.
{BTW i hate to break it to militant atheists but this teaching also applies to them:By convincing themselves God cannot exist they have actually deluded themselves.{It seems very clever to them to deny God but it is not WISE.The belief that God is a delusion is a sign of this.But most likely they won’t see that!After all, it’s all some great big delusion isn’t it?
And if God{..the Biblical one,not to be confused with ‘allah’:militant atheists reading this will be losing it at this point..} “sends strong delusion” so that they believe what is FALSE then you see….it could be argued that this is a case of the God Delusion Delusion:the belief that God is a delusion is itself a delusion ..and to add insult to injury to the militant atheist who whats to get rid of God…it is permitted by GOD!
The obsession some militant atheists have with getting rid of God has the curious side effect of actively promoting God}
Rolf Wittwer says
“A small step for a Muslim – but a big for Islam” – never joke with Islam – it’s desastrous.
God help our western civilization to stop this continuous ongoing suicid!
SKA says
Well since most of these churches remain abandoned by the post-Christians of Germany and will get more use now by the Muslims than the Christians the former will eventually claim squatter’s rights and sue in the courts to take them over by virtue of adverse possession.
Gray says
Is it true that, if Muslim prayers are offered in a house of Christian worship, then (at least so far as Muslims are concerned) said house of Christian worship instantly becomes a mosque? If so, then the innocent Christian penitents at Martha Lutheran Church maybe better prepare for ongoing terrorist attacks, as local Muslims seek to reclaim that property which is now theirs.
gravenimage says
Germany: Church opens its doors for Muslim prayers
…………………
Suicidal insanity. Do these dhimmi fools know that this Church is now considered to be a Mosque? I very much doubt it.
More:
“I gave a speech in German,” said Monika Matthias. “And during prayer, I could only say yes, yes, yes, because we have the same concerns and we want to learn from you. And it is beautiful to feel that way about each other.”
…………………
Will Monika Matthias ever learn how many Islamic prayers curse Christians just like her? Not likely…
GreekEmpress says
Jesus said to “go forth and make disciples of all nations” not “make all disciples dhimmies”.
gravenimage says
+1
somehistory says
The foolish hare has invited the snakes inside and closed her eyes to the fangs and the viper’s jaws.
Before anyone does such a thing, he/she should ask, Shall I do this? How will Almighty God feel about it?
A lot of things can make a person “feel good,” but the Truth of the matter is, being a Christian means a whole lot more and a lot of pain added in.
The moslims now see this “church” as another place they own and they smirk within themselves at the ease with which they are obtaining so much property.
Larry says
Yes, allow satan to preach his religion inside a Christian church. What could go wrong?
Iambob says
Not a real church anyway. Just a building involved in ‘religious’ activity. True church buildings are dedicated to the propagation of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Not the worship of Satan (Allah).
This is no real Christian pastor. No Christian pastor, called and commissioned by Christ (through the Holy Spirit) would voluntarily permit the sanctuary to be defiled through devil worship.
GOLDMANN says
Bob👍👍🙋👍And the Bible says Guard the pulpit.
Mirjam says
When he is asked about those who oppose the project the Imam uses the word extremists. Further, a young man who attended the prayer says that first he was irritated by the musical instruments and the photos in the Church but when he ignored them he knew that he was in the house of God. As Ms. Matthias is thinking about pursuing this project I ask myself whether she will remove the irritating musical instruments and photos at the next Friday prayer for the sake of cohesion: https://www.suedtirolnews.it/video/ende-des-ramadan-zum-freitagsgebet-in-die-evangelische-kirche
Carol the 1st says
The Holy Spirit isn’t found in pompous Islam proper but might it not be possible that some MINO’s sense it here and there – e.g. in moments of say…compassion?
Carol the 1st says
Speaking for the common man:
“Why would she want to help them practice that shite? Doesn’t she have a clue as to what it’s all about?”
Let’s get some standards of competence in place for these idiots we’ve allowed to be carry the horn.
Carol the 1st says
Three posts today are skipping to the bottom rather than in the position where I placed them. What might be the reason for this?
Carol the 1st says
What does Cogito Ergo mean by the “shedding of blood”? Shouldn’t he mean “by the “shedding of flesh”?
Carol the 1st says
To Kepha…Men do virtually all the raping and killing in the world while the women are by their very nature a very, very distant, if not negligible, second. Yet somehow this is always overlooked and it’s deemed the males who are the credible virtue signallers. Believe that one and you’ll also be inclined to believe that the first humans were born from Adam’s pregnant rib!
OLD GUY says
Why do these Christian Pastors and leaders want to bow to the devil religion of Islam? The Islamic political “religion”. when it gets the power will destroy all christian churches and kill or enslave its followers and leaders.
You don’t have to look vary far to see what Islam dose when it gets a grip on a country. Islam will destroy your history, culture, freedom and society and bring you a “religious” dictatorship where all of your day to day life will be controlled by sharia law. Islam is at war with the christians and free world, if we allow their invasion thru migration we are doomed.
Roger Woodhouse says
Because they are ignorant of just what kind of ‘religion’ Islam is.They live in a world of make believe.Their virtue signalling is all they are intrrested in.They pander to a small clique in their congregation who also are oblivious to the true nature of that cult. These people are ‘lost’ to the real world but unfortunately are umknowingly throwing their flock to the wolves.
E T says
Jeremiah 23:1-2
Woe be unto the Shepards who mislead and scatter the flock of my pasture, says the Lord.
Therefore, thus say the Lord, the God of Israel against the shepards who shepard my people:
you have scattered my sheep and driven them away, you have not cared for them, but I will take care to punish your evil deeds.