There is no justification for a 45-year-old man having sex with a 16-year-old girl. But there is likewise no justification for murdering the 16-year-old girl.
The article below says that it is unusual for this to happen in Indonesia, but given the sanction honor killing has in Islamic law, it’s not all that surprising. According to Islamic law, “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (Reliance of the Traveller o1.1-2). In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law. In this case the victim was the murderer’s daughter, a victim to the culture of violence and intimidation that such laws help create.
Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.”
Until the encouragement Islamic law gives to honor killing is acknowledged and confronted, more women will suffer.
“PURE SAVAGERY Girl, 16, ‘hacked to death with machete by her two brothers after confessing to affair with 45-year-old relative,’” by Chiara Fiorillo, The Sun, June 1, 2020 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A 16-YEAR-OLD girl has been hacked to death with a machete allegedly by her two brothers after confessing to an affair with a 45-year-old relative.
Rosmini binti Darwis was killed on the island of Sulawesi, Indonesia, last month in a a so-called honour killing.
Her brothers, Rahman, 30, and Surianto, 20, have been charged with her murder.
The local police chief, Wawan Sumantri, said: “The suspects said they were outraged when their sister admitted she had sex with a man who is their distant relative.
“This is a case of honour killing.”
The young girl had been vomiting and suffering from fainting spells for a few weeks and her family – thinking she might be “possessed” – decided to send her to a shaman instead of a doctor, police said.
Learning of her illness, Rosmini’s cousin Usman came to pay her a visit, according to South China Morning Post.
Her eldest brother, Rahman, 30, accused their cousin of using black magic on his sister, police said.
‘HONOUR KILLING’When Rosmini admitted she was in a relationship with her cousin – which Usman denied – the situation got worse.
The younger brother reportedly attacked Usman with a log, after which he fled, The Times reports
The brothers then briefly abducted a young neighbour and demanded that he marry their sister, but he refused.
When they returned home, Rosmini’s brothers hacked her to death with a machete and a wooden log as family members and neighbours watched, according to police….
The killers usually justify their actions by claiming that the victim has brought dishonour upon the family name or prestige.
The United Nations estimates that about 5,000 women and girls worldwide die every year in such killings.
Honour killings occur from time to time among conservative Muslim communities in South Asia and the Middle East, but they are almost unknown in Indonesia….
In Aceh, Indonesia’s most devout province, Sharia laws – which punish offences including consuming alcohol and, for women, wearing tight clothes or failing to wear a headscarf – have been enforced by the police.
mortimer says
Honor-killing! What? again? Is Islam ‘misogynistic’
Read the following and decide for yourself!
The hadiths of Mohammed that insult and degrade all women. The following are the words of Mohammed:
– I think that women were created for nothing but evil
– Women have ten ‘awrat (vulvas). When she gets married, the husband covers one, and when she dies the grave covers the ten (of her shameful parts)
– A straw mat in the corner of the house is preferable to a barren woman
– Women are toys, so choose (your ‘toys’)
– The woman is a toy, whoever takes her, let him care for her [or do not lose her]
– Had it not been for women, God would have truly, truly been worshipped
– Men perished the day they obeyed the women
– Obedience to a woman’s advice causes regret
– Consult women and act contrary (to it)
– Sneezing, drowsing, yawning in prayer, also menstruation, vomiting and nose-bleeding are from Satan
– When…your affairs are in the hands of your women, the interior of the earth (hell) will be the better for you than its surface
– If a woman offered one of her breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted, she still will fall short of fulfilling her obligations to her husband. And besides that if she disobeys her husband even for a twinkling of an eye, she would be thrown in the lowest part of Hell, except she repents and turns back
– Mohammed asked some women, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?” The women said, “Yes,” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of the woman’s mind.”
– I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you (women)
– I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women.
– Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse
– After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women
– Don’t wear false hair for Allah sends His curse upon such ladies who lengthen their hair artificially
– Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an
– Women, slaves and camels are the same
– Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman
– “Women are like cows, horses, and camels, for all are ridden”
– If you relax the woman’s bridle a tiny bit, she will take you and bolt wildly. And if you lower her cheek-piece a hand span, she will pull you an arm’s length … Their deception is awesome and their wickedness is contagious; bad character and feeble mind are their predominant traits
– “[A man’s wife] fears him, while he fears her not, a kind word from him satisfies her, where nothing of hers has importance in his eyes, it is she who must tolerate the presence of concubines, and it is she who worries when he is ill whereas even her death would leave him indifferent
– If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until morning
– Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals [awan] with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from God and you have made the enjoyment of their persons lawful by the word of God, so understand and listen to my words…
– Muhammad’s last words on women during his farewell speech:
– God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them but not with severity. If they refrain from these things they have the right to their food and clothing with kindness. (Last Sermon … so it cannot be undone… women have a right to food and clothing only if they are obedient)
gravenimage says
All grimly true, Mortimer.
Vivienne Campbell says
fuk u muslim men, horrible repulsive revolting creeps, my god i cant say it bad eniough loathesome cunts, u, ur allah, ur mohammed, the whoile lot of you, fuk you all, u pack of disgusting creeps.. Thank God you are not in my life. Thank god i dont live among you
revereridesagain says
And we need to re-elect President Trump lest, for one bad result of failing in that, we risk ending up with “Attorney General Keith Ellison”, in which case the entire female population of the United States would risk being brought under the thumb of Sharia. I’m not saying that would be easy, but given what we have seen in the past few weeks and months, who would be there to stand in the way?
LR says
We’d have some nice, indoctrinated, female ‘community workers’ who want to defund the police, go out and talk nicely with the Jihadists, and get them to behave. I’m sure that’ll work.
After talking with a couple of the advocates for ‘defund the police’, I don’t know who I can’t stand more. Jihadists, or those nitwits who think they are brilliant.
Sunny says
The puppet religion from hell .The Muslims are terrified of women in general. If they weren’t they wouldn’t feel the need to subjugate them as cattle. I always considered if Allah was a closet homosexual .It makes a lot of sense doesn’t it .Either that or he was such a wife beater his wives cut him off .Everything in their false religion has women as being the problem .Guess it was hell to be a homosexual in that day in age .Constantly wondering if your puppets would find you out .It also makes sense that they practice a form or torture known as reverse conversion .This is where they take straight women and try and force them into lesbianism .Threaten to kill them if they have sex with another man .Come to think about it sex seems to be at the heart of their religion .Sick twisted and ritualistic .Disgusting to the core
Franklin P. Uroda says
Are all these admonitions in play in the Muslim communities of the USA?
Goofy says
Why didn’t they finish off the older relative, the sexual predator? Well, he is a male and sexual gratification of males is provided by Allah himself and is indeed foreseen by him in his wisdom for every male Muslim. So that is different. In Islam women are deficient intellectually and religiously and they are destined for hell. So who cares?
AnnChristine says
Woman is to be worshipped!…..Only she can produce Life—-Woman does not need man to beat her and look down on her! —–Now it is possible to be impregnated from a tube collected from a man any man! Thus Woman can be without a man!——-Islamic Man should be more aware of The World around Him as his life is but useless!!
gravenimage says
Women don’t need to be “worshipped”–but they should certainly be treated as equals.
James Lincoln says
+1
CogitoErgoSum says
Wait a minute. This is NOT a case of a father murdering one of his children. It’s a case of two brothers murdering their sister. I don’t understand how that falls under the provisions set forth in Reliance of the Traveler O1.1-2.
CogitoErgoSum says
Maybe it was not so much a matter of an honor killing but rather that the young girl was executioed for committing adultery — except it appears that neither she nor the man with whom she had sex was married. In addition, if the girl was pregnant wouldn’t the two brothers be guilty of murdering their sister’s unborn child also – or do Muslims not worry about when an unborn child becomes a human being? I see a whole lot of problems and questions to be answered in this case.
gravenimage says
Nigeria waits to stone pregnant girls to death until they give birth–but this does not appear to be a common concern in Dar-al-Islam.
revereridesagain says
Females-must-be-punished-for-their-“fun” is a working policy not confined to the Islamic world. After all, it’s not as if they are “innocent”, “pure”, or — most important — “Virgins” any more.
gravenimage says
It doesn’t even have to be fun–this girl being molested by her middle-aged relative probably was not any fun at all.
gravenimage says
There may not have been a father to murder her, or he may, as her brothers might think, have “fallen down on the job”.
While fathers or husbands are the most common “Honor Killers” of women and girls, they are also murdered by grandfathers, brothers (as here), and sons–sometimes even more distant relatives like nephews or cousins.
Another common reason for brothers murdering girls is that if they are living in places where “Honor Killing” is actually illegal, minor boys often do the actual killing–or claim to–because they will get a lighter sentence, although this does not appear to be the case here.
Note that they did not go after their 45-year-old relative for abusing their under-age sister–because even a little girl is held to be guilty.
Mo says
This makes me so angry and sick. This is not a quick/painless death. Can you even imagine the horrors she suffered before she died? I cannot.
Where is the anger towards the person who deserves it – the middle aged man, taking advantage of a young girl?
To be clear, I am not supporting the hatchet (or any other method) murder of anyone. But the anger here is entirely misplaced. He’s a grown man old enough to be her father. Shame on HIM!
gravenimage says
In some cases child rapists have actually joined in in the “Honor Killing” of their own victims.
LR says
Mo…Same here. I cannot even fathom the hell that poor girl went through. But, that’s the way it works. It’s all put on the girls, women. Just like when women used to get blamed for their rape. Times a thousand.
Unfortunately, looks like this girl had a particularly backward family. Due to combo of backward culture, and long term cousin marriages, I suspect.
James Lincoln says
According to the feature article:
“The killers usually justify their actions by claiming that the victim has brought dishonour upon the family name or prestige.”
So, and let me get this straight, in islam the ACTUAL KILLERS do not dishonor their family name or prestige….
CogitoErgoSum says
People who think that way are committing the sin of pride. It’s further proof that Islam is a completely twisted religion that actually does not come from a benevolent god.
gravenimage says
True–in Islam a young girl’s being taken advantage of by a middle-aged man, or even raped by him, shames the her family; but murdering the girl is not shameful at all.
This is “morality” in Islam.
gravenimage says
Indonesia: Muslim brothers hack their 16-year-old sister to death with machete for having sexual relations
………………
Just horrifying–this *poor girl*.
God, I hate Islam.
Dave koret says
Population control, less females, less sodomites born. Soon there won’t be sodomite billions but miĺlions continue to reduce until they are in cohort with the philistine yesterday’s news.
gravenimage says
Wait–this thug wants Muslims to slaughter women and girls so that there will be “less sodomites born”? What grotesque evil.
LR says
Yeah Dave, any relation to Koresh? You need to try, and get back on that rocker of yours.
TheRemorselessHeadsman says
Where is Ilhan-Omar’s family? Have they no honor?
Az gal says
She is their cash cow. They won’t do a thing.
Sunny says
No they don’t.She is one of the elites and no longer has to practice the more backwards ways.She is here to advance their cause.As soon as she stops being useful it will go back to the days of old.
Please deport this thing.It was treasonous that she ran to begin with.No I don’t consider them human just things that satan sent here to torment us.
gravenimage says
True, Az gal and Sunny.
LR says
Omar is out there screeching about getting rid of the police. She’ll jump on any crazy, radical cause that will create chaos, and take this country down.
It’s the citizens that voted for her, and applaud her that we should be concerned about. They are the ones who want to take their own country down, and vote vile creatures like Ilhan in.
Oooh, she’s an immigrant, she’s got brown skin (minority), she is Muslim, coooool. We need all that ‘intersectionality’ stuff to make up for our sins of the past, like slavery. (We shouldn’t be listening to ‘white people’ anymore).
It’s a very difficult, ideological battle right now. Anyone who doesn’t want to see Reps like Ilhan get in office have a lot of work to do, and better get crackin’.
gravenimage says
True, LR. Omar and those like her have to be exposed and discredited.