UPDATE: A mosque in Toronto has apparently been vandalized, although it is unclear who is responsible. There are no reports of any mosques being vandalized in the U.S. at this time.
Why no mosques? They know who their allies are. It is doubtless true that not all Muslims support the riots, but Hamas-linked CAIR and other subversive groups have been issuing pious statements of support for the “demonstrators,” without a word of condemnation for the violent riots. Groups that have the same goal tend not to criticize one another.
“‘God is Dead’: Leftist Rioters Vandalize Churches and Synagogues,” by Daniel Greenfield, FrontPage, June 4, 2020:
The assault on St. John’s Episcopal Church by radicals and racists was the ugliest moment of the D.C. riots. Not only was the famous 204-year-old church, which every president since Madison has attended, sprayed with graffiti, but some of the thugs even tried to burn it down by starting a fire in its basement.
The attack and President Trump’s subsequent visit to the ‘Church of Presidents’ captured the attention of a nation. But what happened to St. John’s was not an aberration. The Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots have been associated with attacks on churches and synagogues across the United States.
The victims of New York City’s leftist riots included St. Patrick’s Cathedral as the venerable 142-year-old building was defaced with obscenities and the three letters BLM for Black Lives Matter, along with “George Floyd” and “No Justice, No Peace”.
In Richmond, Virginia, Beth Ahabah, a 225-year-old Reform Jewish congregation, had the windows in its grand 116-year-old building smashed by rioters. The building is now covered over with plywood. St. Paul’s Episcopal Church, a 175-year-old building, also in Richmond, was defaced with graffiti. Finally, rioters in Richmond broke the windows of the West Broad Church of Christ, an African-American congregation. They left intact the one pane of glass reading, “Welcome”.
Some of the nationwide vandalism of churches and synagogues featured generic Black Lives Matter slogans, but some had hateful messages that were specifically targeted to the houses of worship.
The Cathedral Basilica of the Immaculate Conception in Denver, a 108-year-old building, was at the center of some of the local riots, including the hit-and-run of three Denver police officers, and suffered permanent damage. The walls were also vandalized with graffiti reading, “Pedofiles” and “God is dead”.
Some of the windows of the facility were broken and the gates were badly damaged.
In Los Angeles, Congregation Beth Israel’s walls were defaced with graffiti reading, “F___ Israel” and “Free Palestine”.
Elan Carr, the Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism, visited the synagogue, and stated, “This graffiti is yet more evidence that anti-Zionism is Antisemitism.”
The hateful messages that defaced the Denver cathedral and the Los Angeles synagogue were leftist in ideology. They also had nothing to do with racism or any of the imaginary causes of the riots. Instead they are evidence that the radicals are settling their pre-existing grudges with churches and synagogues.
The largest sustained burst of synagogue vandalism took place in Los Angeles. The Fairfax area, home to both leftist hipsters and traditionalist Orthodox Jews, was heavily targeted by the rioters who, in addition to looting stores, defaced multiple synagogues, including the aforementioned Congregation Beth Israel, Beit Medrash Kehilat Yaakov (Congregation of Jacob), the synagogue of Rabbi Gershon Bess, the most important Jewish religious leader in the city, as well as Congregation Tiferes Tzvi and the Young Israel of Hancock Park. Three religious schools, Bais Yaakov School for Girls, Bnos Devorah High School, and Ohr Eliyahu Academy, were also vandalized.
Rioters tried to deface the Shaarei Tefila (Gates of Prayer) synagogue in the area, but members of Magen Am, a security organization protecting houses of worship, whose instructors include former IDF and Navy SEAL members, protected the synagogue from being vandalized by the leftist rioters.
Some of the ugliest graffiti was reserved for the Baba Sale synagogue of Moroccan Jewish refugees named after the Rabbi who had helped lead Moroccan Jews out of the Muslim country and to Israel.
Not only did the racist thugs spray paint “BLM” on it, but also added, “f___ pigs” and “help minorities”.
The congregation, which had reopened, is now closed.
Some of the looting and violence came as Jews were celebrating the holiday of Shavuot, which commemorates the Ten Commandments being given by God to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai. Many Jewish store owners were unaware of the pogrom being carried out against their houses of worship and businesses. And there is at least some evidence that the pogromists were deliberately targeting Jews.
A local milliner reported cars driving down the street and screaming, “F___ Jews”.
Rioters also targeted Our Lady of Mt. Lebanon-St. Peter Cathedral, a Maronite Catholic church in Los Angeles. The 83-year-old cathedral is also home to a middle eastern refugee congregation. And the Black Lives Matter bigots reminded them of the persecution that they had fled by scrawling, “Kill All Cops” and “Make America Pay for its Crimes Against Black Lives” on its iconic exterior.
In Dallas, the Saint Jude Chapel in Downtown Dallas had its windows smashed in with rocks.
“They probably didn’t even know this was a church. And that’s just some glass. Who cares,” Father Jonathan Austin insisted. “I’m with them 100 percent.”
While the Saint Jude doesn’t quite look like a traditional church, the words, “Saint Jude Catholic Chapel” above its entrance are very clear and impossible to miss.
The Cathedral of the Assumption, the fourth oldest building in Louisville, and the third oldest Catholic Cathedral in regular use in this country, suffered damage when rioters shattered the windows of its rectory. The historic building’s facade is now covered with plywood boards.
In Santa Rosa, a window in the Unitarian Universalist Congregation was smashed in.
“Clearly, he didn’t see the ‘Black Lives Matter’ banner in our window,” Rev. Chris Bell complained.
One of the more serious radical attacks on houses of worship took place in Little Rock, Arkansas when a fire at the Lewis Street Church of Christ burned through the roof.
In Minneapolis, where all the hate and rage began, the 106-year-old Basilica of Saint Mary, the first basilica in the country, suffered fire damage when a fire was started under a pew.
And in St. Paul, the Church of St. Mark was tagged with graffiti.
There are also reports that numerous other churches and synagogues have been defaced.
While the media has tried to pretend that the assault on St. John’s Episcopal Church was an accident or an aberration, the sheer number of incidents from New York City to Los Angeles make it clear that the Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots displayed a nationwide pattern of targeting houses of worship.
These attacks tried to destroy the physical symbols of faith and to demoralize people of faith.
That is what the Left has always done.
The Left infiltrates churches and synagogues, but it is its own religion. Its faith is not directed toward any power higher than government, its prayers are uttered in regulations and academic papers, its theology is practiced by smashing glass and shattering doors, and churches and synagogues have always been its targets. When its stormtroopers are loosed in the streets, they go to war against those who believe.
What happened in Washington D.C., in Los Angeles, in New York City, in Minneapolis, and in cities across America, was the latest expression of the hatred of the radicals and racists for any other belief system.
There is an inquisition in America today. And it punishes heresies, such as proclaiming that all lives matter, or believing in anything other than social justice, with social pressure, loss of work, and force.
What the theorists who would be gods hate above all else is those who reject them and believe in God.
eddie says
Over here in Britain, some people are comparing Trump to Hitler.
What a fuckin’ disgrace.
At least Hitler volunteered for the Army.
CogitoErgoSum says
Were you ever in the army, Eddie?
keith O says
+1 Only make comments like that if you signed on the doted line to defend your country.
CogitoErgoSum says
Note that Eddie is ignoring the question.
CogitoErgoSum says
Rod, no, I never never took a class in debating but I’m pretty sure calling people names in a debate does not score a person any points. President Bonespurs? That’s not even funny or very imaginative. Also, if you believe that calling a particular church the church of Presidents means that Presidents are worshiped there like gods, you need as much help as Eddie does.
As for the demonstrations being mostly peaceful, well, I guess you could say the same for World War II when you compare how many people died taking part in it to how many people came out of it uninjured. At any rate, it does not bother me that Trump was never in the army. Hitler was in the army and he came out of it a twisted human being. Maybe the same thing happened to Eddie. I feel sorry for him if that’s the case . But why don’t we just let Eddie speak for himself? He doe not seem like the shrinking violet type to me but if my question hurt his feelings, well, I’m sorry. Maybe your comment cheered him up, Rod, and you can feel good about yourself for that. I know your comments always make me smile.
gravenimage says
Note that “eddie” implies he is British, yet still prefers Hitler to the American President. Would he prefer to be living under Fascism? Sounds like it…
Rod says
Cogo, since the question has no relevance to Eddie’s comment, it’s fair to ask why it was asked. Obviously a clumsy, futile attempt to avoid the issue. Trump’s favourite tactic is also to insult critics. Any high school debating team knows it will cost you points, but you don’t?
We all know that President Bonespurs avoided military service more than once, and now wants the army to protect him (when he emerges from his bunker).
Interesting too, that the world knows that demonstrations were overwhelmingly peaceful, and that damage to the “Church of Presidents” (not of God?) has everywhere else been described as “minor”.
An alternative version, largely fictitious, can always be found here for the delectation of the gullible. Amusing, but depressing.
Demsci says
I suppose CES’ question was about Probable double standards of Eddie, who criticizes Trump for dodging service, but himself might have done the same and anyway who singles out, selectively, the president, while millions did likewise.
Yes, Trump avoided military service and now wants as president to be protected (does it matter by whom?). What’s the bad behavior, intention here? And when the President was dragged by his neck to the bunker, nilly-Willy, by the Secret Service (whose decision it was, who have the final say in such matters), then trust the spinning lying media to insinuate that Trump cowered in the bunker!
Oh, alternative versions abound. We cannot convince you Rod. We can only state our case for as many as possible neutral objective people and our press can treat your favorites the way the bad people among the MSM treat Trump. And when you let your friends it do to ours, you can ‘t complain anymore when the reverse happens, can you?
Yes, the president insults. As a counterpuncher. It is 1000 insults from MSM and Democrats against 1 of him. Or at least; he is vastly outnumbered and provoked all the Time. This is n’t a debate, it is an obsessive hate driven campaign by the bad actors in MSM and Dems. Trump still wins, because his opposition gets much more maluspointls.
the least of terry's says
Getting kidnapped, raped, and murdered IS NOT peaceful. Halting emergency traffic and endangering motorist by blocking highways and bridges is NOT peaceful. Looting and burning down property is NOT peaceful. Beating up people is NOT peaceful.Let me remind readers here about real systemic racism, from muslims against millions of white girls rapped and destroyed; muslims against tens of thousands of Christians, losing life, liberty, and property; political parties in South Africa, as well as other African countries, Europe, Asia, Latin America, South America, North America, and Islands in the seven seas- ALL being denied, enslaved, lied to, cheated out of, and grossly systemically enduring bias from political parties; international crime cartels against ANY and ALL peoples! These are all systemic racism and ALL have ONE thing in common- they are progressives!
CogitoErgoSum says
Hey, I posted my reply above yours, Rod. That’s something we can both smile about. Ain’t life grand?
gravenimage says
So “Rod” is fine with attempts to burn down churches so long as the resulting damage is “minor”? What a surprise…sarc/off
Wellington says
Just when you think someone like yourself can’t go any lower, you prove that you can.
Do you get at all, eddie, that Hitler outlawed all political parties but his own within six months of coming to power, that he was putting people in concentration camps also within months of coming to power in January of 1933, that he actually killed his political enemies (e.g., the Night of the Long Knives, June 30th, 1934), that Hitler was a total enemy of democracy, freedom, equality under the law, etc.?
And yet you elevate Hitler over President Trump with your sick comment and sad-sack attempt at humor. You are pathetic, eddie, and I would be inclined to feel sorry for you but contempt for you keeps “interfering” from doing so. I do take some satisfaction in the reality that when you post your mindless, moronic drivel you only reveal to all of sense and knowledge just how far a member of our species can fall.
You are a waste of life, eddie. This should read as your epitaph.
eddie says
You can’t beat dark humour.
By the way, what’s it like to live in ‘shithole’ country where the cretin in charge gasses peaceful protesting teenagers in order to have his picture taken with a Bible?
What’s the betting that Trump thinks ‘Blowin’ In the Wind’ is a song about a fart?
CogitoErgoSum says
Did you have any type of head injury while you were in the army, Eddie?
Wellington says
Yep, no one needs to tear you down. You tear yourself down and then some.
To refer to the greatest polity that has ever existed as a “shithole country” only once again reveals you to all possessed of common sense and knowledge as a monumental ignoramus and fool.
You’re a sad sack piece of shit, eddie. And this is the best I can say about you.
Going back to your first moronic post of 4:32 P.M., the fact that you can elevate Hitler over Trump rather says it all—not that you will comprehend any of this. And, btw, just out of curiosity’s sake, how many political parties has Trump banned? How many people has he put in concentration camps? How many political rivals did Trump have killed?
You see, moron, when you elevate Hitler over Trump, as you did in your 4:32 P.M. post, you convey to the rational portion of mankind that you are a clown, that you never need to be taken seriously, that you are a complete joke.
winoceros says
That didn’t happen. You are a liar.
gravenimage says
The vicious “eddie” has done this before–whenever caught out for being especially vile, uses the standard thug comeback that decent people ‘can’t take a joke’.
tgusa says
Carry on allowing young British girls to be used as muslim sex slaves eddie. We will take our so-called shithole over a hell hole you prefer every time. Trump is Hitler, stop that eddie, Trump doesn’t want nor need your support.
Eddie probably tried to join the army and was likely and quickly rejected. He found out the hard way that the army has standards.
Demsci says
Eddie, I see you as an opponent. Kind of prosecutor of Donald Trump. Our vast majority are defenders of him. In a trial like setting on JW or other platform I think it is useless to try to convince YOU. I think both your and our side should try to convince THIRD parties, judges, juries; reasonable, objective and neutral people. I think we should even try this if we are not sure to trust the third parties in rationality, and objectivity. At the same time we can admit to be NOT impartial ourselves. Only open, listening to the other side.
Wellington has a ton of material for the defense on our side, I think outnumbering your arguments vastly. And he is much better in eloquence too.
Wellington is so right about the Trump and Hitler comparison and he is only scratching the surface.
About the 5 minute walk of Trump to the church; don’t you factcheck the media???
And by the way; how would Hitler have responded to riots, violent OR peaceful???
it was the police that decided to clear the streets, it was not an order of the presIdent. It was near curfew. But it seems they only cleared one block. This was because bricks and ice bottles were thrown and police were injured. Hostile intentions of rioters were picked up and the church was believed to be in danger AGAIN.
Police warned 3 times in advance. No teargas was used. No fatalities were reported. Peaceful protest was allowed elsewhere.
The MSM has rotten apples, to say the least. They Present some facts, leave out massive amounts of context and spin events invariably against Trump and co. AndersonCooper with his “spinning lies” “anger at Trump” was being exceptionally dishonest to the viewers. And I am sorry to say his propaganda also reached Holland. But both In America and Holland perhaps half of the people mistrust the MSM.
And I keep saying to the other half; what if your favorites and your loved ones were treated the way D. Trump is treated by these “rotten apples”?
Rod says
“Did you have any type of head injury”
Eddie, this is the Jihadwatch riposte. When cornered, use a crude insult. Our hero in the White House would be lost without it, especially against women of colour. He thinks it’s clever; while others see it as childish.
Demsci says
Against Rod. When D. Trump became candidate and president, he became subject to countless and endless insults, and lies in the form of half-truths, without essential contexts and with negative twists and insinuations. As Eddie was doing. Trump fights back, against white males just as much as against women of color.
To suggest that Trump goes around insulting people unprovoked and especially targeting black (and) females is once again deliberately ignoring massive amounts of context.
CogitoErgoSum says
Well, what can I say. Eddie sounds like someone who has something wrong with his brain. If so, I suggest that he get some treatment but I suppose you, Rod, would just tell him he’s fine so as to keep from hurting his feelings – but really, would that help him with his problem? He doesn’t sound like he’s of sound mind to me. He is the one using crude and insulting language – but you are okay with that? In my experience, people who talk like Eddie are just not right in the head. Sorry you think that’s he exhibiting normal behavior. As long as most people think that it he is normal I suppose crudity will be the norm. Seems to me we have entered into a period of human devolution instead of evolution towards something better than we were back in the Stone Age.
gravenimage says
Good posts, Demsci and CogitoErgoSum.
Henry says
This is the leftist “waste of life”. Don’t spend time on answering to human garbage. He/she isn’t worth the debate.
Wellington says
In general I agree, Henry, but it is also an error never to respond to “human garbage.”
Demsci says
I respectfully disagree Henry. These “Eddies” give us a stepping stone to make our own case. Because often such types reveal the mindset and misinformation of so many of our opponents. And I for one do have around me the family, colleagues and neighbors who are one sidedly influenced by the media and the leftists. And we can hope that reasonable, objective and neutral people read our reactions to such Leftist “waste of lives”. As we do not know completely WHO are reading JW, who are wavering people, who desire to hear both sides in vexing questions about unfolding events (history even).
gravenimage says
Henry, it is important to counter this kind of vicious ugliness here, lest readers think that this is the view of most posters at Jihad Watch.
gravenimage says
So “eddie” prefers *Hitler* to the American President?
Why does this not surprise me…
He hopes we will take this as his just further smearing Trump–but, really, I think it just speaks for itself.
Further, does “eddie” have a problem with rioters attacking and torching churches and synagogues? Not so he says…
James Lincoln says
Graven image,
Absolutely ANYTHING that Eddie says should NEVER be taken seriously.
He lacks the ability to think rationally – and is in serious need of professional psychiatric help.
The problem is, he likely lacks the ability to realize that he needs that help.
gravenimage says
He’s a nasty piece of work, James.
gravenimage says
One need not even necessarily like Trump to consider this grotesque.
If someone said the same sort of thing about Biden, say, it would also be moral idiocy.
Jack Holan says
No! They’d rather have G-dless Leftists or Muslim Brotherhood types who want life run by Sharia and life to revert back 1400 years. How grand life will be then. Ignorance is NOT bliss.
Bad Penguin says
>ddie, Can you say “crystal nacht” Because thats what the nazi democrats are having right now.
CogitoErgoSum says
I like the way the bystanders are watching out for the safety of the protesters in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qV0z-kRxjE
Rod says
The bigger the gun, the more American the thug. Is that how it works? Fifteen thousand gun related homicides per year. Something to do with “Home of the brave”? What a dull place I live in. I haven’t seen a gun like those ever in my life, nor do I wish to.
Demsci says
15000 homicides a year. In a country of 330 million. In statistics per capita much below other countries. In historic perspectives getting ever lower. What use is it to tell people statistics, while singling out countries one dislikes, thereby using higher standards for that country than for others, thus discriminating that country? Please compare all countries and use same standards for all.
Rod says
Don’t kid yourself, Demsci. The US rate of murders per capita is a worldwide disgrace. I dare you to check it against anywhere in Western Europe, UK, Canada (just next door!), Japan, Australia, Vietnam, Singapore, etc, etc. I dare you – look it up and quote it here.
Mass shootings, school shootings, police killings, you’ve got the lot and you’re welcome.
“Much below” El Salvadore perhaps? Big deal! Though I doubt even that.
You people lie nearly as much as your Liar-in-Chief.
Demsci says
You didn’t provide stats either Rod. And it goes to far to do so on a fleeting topic, to do it properly. We have diverse viewpoints and try to convince not each other but third parties who listen to our meaningful dialogue.
I do concede that America indeed is much worse than exemplary Western countries and some others. But many other countries either are worse or not transparant about negative statistics. And USA According to what i read is still better than most of the 193 countries in the UN. 1 in 200 people in the USA dies because of murder I read once.
Murder is appallling, it;s just unjust to disparage USA instead of disparaging mankind. Russia is definitely worse. Now why attack USA and not Russian Federation? Or attacking both but then attacking USA a thousand times more? Showing appalling double standards.
Also Stephen Pinker ans others in recent decades show us that in the past homicide and war cost many more lives per capita than nowadays. even the primitive tribes with the primitive weapons were far deadlier than mankind is today (per capita).
Rod says
I didn’t supply statistics – sorry Demsci. I thought it would be enough for you to ask anybody from Sweden, Canada, South Africa, or anywhere, about how bad the USA’s horrific murder rate is. EVERYBODY knows.
But, if you insist, here are just some counties with a homicide rate 25 percent or less than the USA rate of murders per capita.
Homicides per 100,000 population per annum
USA 5.4
France 1.35
UK 1.20
Germany 1.18
Sweden 1.08
New Zealand 0.99
Denmark 0.98
Australia 0.94
Italy 0.67
Austria 0.66
Norway 0.51
and so on. There are LOTS more.
Don’t ask me for my source. This sort of data is readily available to everybody. Find it for yourself, and let’s not hear any crap about falsified statistics, please.
So, my point is – what the hell is wrong with your country, the “greatest” polity the world has ever seen? it is a mess, and getting worse. This is just one aspect.
Things are worse in Turkey, Russia, Iran, so criticism of USA isn’t justified? Come on, Demsci, you must know that does not make sense. You’re the greatest polity in the world, remember.
We don’t rely on the media for our views on Trump. We see him performing, sadly, in person, every day. We see him bragging, we hear him lying, we watch him evading fair questions with clumsy insults or smart (?) dismissive remarks. We do know what his pussy grabbing comments meant. We don’t need to have them reinterpreted for us. We’re not stupid, and we can judge character as well as you can.
Daniel, “the people control the government”? So why do millions of the people have to cause chaos all over the country to demand much needed justice? Trump appears to have more power i.e. control over government than European kings enjoyed centuries ago. We’re afraid he will decide to start a war, and be allowed to do it, against the will of the people.
According to Wellington, racism is a myth, and no scientific evidence exists for man-made climate change.
I really am wasting my time here, aren’t I?
And gi, you’re aware that I haven’t said I disapprove of slavery or the Nazi holocaust, or the recent stock market crash, so I suppose you firmly believe that I’m happy about all of them, as well as all those other things you allege. Could you stop and think, just occasionally, please?
gravenimage says
“Rod” wrote:
And gi, you’re aware that I haven’t said I disapprove of slavery or the Nazi holocaust, or the recent stock market crash, so I suppose you firmly believe that I’m happy about all of them, as well as all those other things you allege. Could you stop and think, just occasionally, please?
……………………..
This is Jihad Watch. If a poster comments here for years on end and says nothing against the horrors of Jihad and Shari’ah, the idea that this is off-topic or can be a simple oversight is just ludicrous.
Western Canadian says
If you break down the murder rate in the US by county, you get a very revealing result. Counties that vote Republican own a massive proportion of the legally owned guns in the US, have crime rates lower than neighbouring Canada, and have murder rates of 0.03, or lower. The counties that vote democrat, have most of the illegally held guns in the US, and a murder rate of about 17.0, or higher…. Says all you need to know about honest, hard working citizens, as compared to thugs and leeches.
Wellington says
Great and pertinent comment, Western Canadian, and indicative of the fact that guns are not the problem but false values are.
And the Democratic Party with each passing decade keeps endorsing false values more and more. The real problem in any Western society is Leftism (supported by Islam of course, another huge error).
I am, however for gun control, in its original meaning—a steady hand.
gravenimage says
True, Western Canadian. And great to see you posting again.
CogitoErgoSum says
I hope you are perfectly happy where you live, Rod. If not, I hope you are strong enough and smart enough to move to a place where you are happy. The early settlers who came to America were like that. They were tough people who wanted to make their own way in the world – and the vast majority of them did NOT own slaves. Most of them were self-reliant and did not expect anyone else to do their work for them – in fact, there were embarrassed if someone else did do their work for them.
Today, the type of person who built up the U.S. is being replaced by the type of person who wants to tear it down. The destroyers don’t want to be self-reliant and they demand to be given things for free. That’s how mankind is though, I suppose. There are two types of human beings: those who are builders and those who are destroyers. Some want to make the garden fruitful and some just want to eat of the fruit and then set the place on fire. If you want to see some thugs and destroyers; here are some pictures of them – and, yes, some have a gun that although not very big, was big enough to kill a good and noble man whom I count as having been among the builders. If you want to see a picture of a builder look for a picture of retired police captain David Dorn – may he rest in peace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zk0lQMmiOU
James Lincoln says
Fine post, C.E.S.
gravenimage says
They appear to be protecting a housing development from rioters. How does this make them “thugs”?
Daniel Triplett says
Legally owned firearms in America reduce crime. Guns save far more lives each day than they take.
https://gunowners.org/sk0802htm/
Of course, the primary benefit of the 350 Million guns in America is they guarantee the People control the government, not the other way around. This is the only reason we have the 2nd Amendment. It’s not for hunting or self-defense; those are ancillary benefits.
2A: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
10 U.S.C. § 311 – U.S. Code – Unannotated Title 10. Armed Forces § 311. Militia: composition and classes
a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32 , under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are–
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
eddie says
It’s just been announced that Trump did use tear gas on the kids peacefully protesting.
Wait a minute, Kayleigh McEnany was adamant tear gas was NOT used.
Mind you, what’s the betting Trump’s only got her in the White House to suck his dick?
CogitoErgoSum says
You must be in a lot of pain, Eddie.
winoceros says
No, it wasn’t. Your are a perverted liar.
Wellington says
It’s time you are banned from this site, eddie. I support free speech but when one like you elevates Hitler over Trump and sinks to the vulgarity that you have, you have massively abused freedom and freedom need not accommodate someone like you anymore than it needs to accommodate someone who falsely yells “fire” in a crowded theater.
Freedom, like the Constitution, is not a suicide pact, and there are limits even in the freest societies ever on earth—like America, which polity you yourself stupidly called a “shithole” country.
Actually, I support your calling my nation such but stooping to the level you did in your 6:14 P.M. post is Beyond the Pale and you need to be gone in my opinion. What a wretched excuse for a human being you are. You abuse liberty, common sense, proper knowledge and basic decency. You disgust me.
Demsci says
Wellington, i mostly agree with you, frankly admire you. But no, do not ban Eddie. Not for the reasons you give. Comparing Hitler to Trump is IMO not ground for banning. If “our side” catches it we can have a field day using it to our advantage. Both the “accusation” and the defense should be allowed.
As for vulgarities; well, there CAN be a policy of ruling against the use of them, across the board,
What I am so afraid of is that a plea for banning on the grounds you give will be massively abused by “big tech” against conservatives.
The only boundary of free speech I for now would endorse of “inciting to violence”, and perhaps “glorifying violence” (and THAT has been used by Twitter against Trump, and it had me wavering, but I think it was a false judgement).
Wellington says
It was the vulgarity by eddie that put me over the edge, demsci. Yes, stupid comparisons like Trump is Hitler or Hitler is better than Trump, while idiotic, should be tolerated and I should not have asserted this is a reason to ban someone, but vulgarity as employed by eddie is a different matter.
Upon further reflection, and being a strong supporter of free speech, I would not ban eddie but I would put him on notice that rank vulgarity will result in that particular comment being deleted. And I don’t include here four letter words. If one wishes to use them, and I try to keep the use of them to an absolute minimum, well OK, but graphic sexual statements are Beyond the Pale. There, fixed it, and in part thanks to your convictions and observations.
BTW, I welcome your posts on this thread or any thread. Always good to read what you have to say. Take care.
Demsci says
Thanks Wellington, that means a lot to me!
Rod says
“the greatest polity that has ever existed”
Where do the mass killings, school shootings, entrenched racism, appalling levels of murder and violence, primitive system of public health care, gerrymanders, brutal police, frightful levels of incarceration, massive arms industry, desperate poverty amidst obscene wealth, fit into this “great” polity, Wellington? Then there’s the recent history of armed invasions and bombings of near defenceless countries for commercial or political advantage. And the contempt justly awarded in consequence.
And the little groups of haters, like this one, making your own contribution to division and intolerance.
Then, to top it all, the Presidential Pussy Grabber in charge, a figure of fun around the world, leading you to …..where?
Believe me, there are many millions who are immensely grateful not to have to share your “great” polity. We enjoy our own polity, not perfect, but ever improving, and have no need to boast about it.
Demsci says
America somehow has the biggest soft power in the world, Rod. It is estimated that 1 million legal and 1 million illegal migrants migrate, flee TO USA. USA got from 240 million in 1980 to 330 million now. Plenty of black people among them. We hear of people leaving Iran, more than 100.000 per year, most or many of them crazy about AMRIKA, AMRIKA.
Can you show us how many (black or white) People flee FROM USA? Is it not ZERO?
Or how many people desire to go to China? Russian Federation? Iran? And so many Islamic countries?! Is that not also (near) ZERO?
Your criticism is only valid on MANKIND. Because all this and more happens in varying degrees everywhere. And I imagine you don’t dare mention the positive statistics of USA which overshadow so many other countries.
All you show is appalling double standards, for countries. which is evidence of every bit as hating, or more, as you accuse us of.
Making. Fun of Trump? While for 3 years he presided over perhaps the most successful economy of the world? Looks like distraction, blame shifting, from jealous competitors. And mind you, USA did beat your preferred countries on the economic front! And good economy is less poverty.
gravenimage says
Note that “Rod” *hates* the United States, but is always fine with the horrors of Islam–as well as with looting and arson.
Demsci says
About the wars then. Where two nations fight people like you blame just the one. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not conquest wars. The other side definitely behaved like pulling the tail of the tiger, provoking a US response. The war in Afghanistan was broadly supported in the world, perhaps the war in Iraq indeed was, in hindsight, a mistake.
Look Rod, when humans fight animals, you don’t blame the animals. And what do we see you do Here ? When Americans fight Al Qaida, Taliban, Saddam Hussein, you don’t blame These opponents. In effect you treat them like unaccountable animals. Because they certainly were not innocent angels.
And America, with her might, did police the world and prevented a lot of wars after 1945 IMO. World Trade, without fear of war or piracy, multiplied enormously in that period.
And again, according to Stephen Pinker, the cost in human lives per capita from wars is diminishing over the centuries. Since history began the top dogs of the world, like Assyrians, Romans, Islamic peoples, Mongols, Russians, Germans and others were so much more warring then America in this era.
Due to severe prejudice-hate to America, you lack, or omit to show, PERSPECTIVE, Rod.
Wellington says
No great power in history, Rod, has used its immense strength for less harm and more good than has America. Just imagine the last century of mankind without America, everything else the same. Think the world would be better off?
Does America err at times? Certainly. What polity hasn’t? And great polities will err greatly at times because they have to do things that ordinary polities don’t even have to think about let alone act upon. It’s easy to be Denmark. It’s easy to be Canada. It’s damn difficult being America. Don’t think you get this. I think there is a great deal you don’t get.
But try at least getting this, and from a Canadian no less, one Mark Steyn, to wit, a world without America would be a world that would be subject to the tyrants of the earth. And next time you’re enjoying warmth in your home or driving your car to or from a shopping center, perhaps reflect upon the fact that if the American Navy did not keep the sea lanes of the world open, for instance the Persian Gulf, you would freeze in your home in winter and have no petrol to power your car.
Ever think of this? I rather doubt it. And that really makes you into an unappreciative parasite, rather like the Islamic world is.
gravenimage says
Good posts, Demsci and Wellington.
Rod says
Thank you for your comments, largely free of crude abuse, for a change. But, We seem to be carefully avoiding all the issues of importance here, folks. Like why this great polity is currently in chaos, with millions demanding change, and why the great leader seems unable to lead, and is a laughing stock around the world.
But the appalling levels of racism and violence are issues repugnant to all (except perhaps those conditioned to see them as normal). Such things don’t happen in nations you seem to think are inferior. School shootings? No thanks, we don’t need them.
People don’t desire to go to China, Russia, Iran, etc, therefore the US is a great place. That’s meant to impress me? Don’t people desire to go to dozens of other places? (Could US sanctions making life miserable in Iran be a factor?) America “prevented” a lot of wars after 1945? Are you serious? Or just ignorant.
There are a lot of dead people who didn’t do too well out of America’s “soft” and less soft power in recent decades. Live ones too. And those whose dictators today enjoy US support and use US arms to oppress their citizens.
That’s enough for today. More tomorrow if you’re not convinced.
PS It’s always amusing to read the really demented comments, like “Rod is always fine with the horrors of Islam–as well as with looting and arson.”
gravenimage says
“Rod’s” ludicrous implication that that the world would be flocking to live under the Shari’ah law of the Mullahs if only it were not for US sanctions is just laughable.
Then, note that his referring to my comment that he is fine with the horrors of Islam as well as looting and arson as “demented” is *not* actually a denial.
In fact, he *still* refuses to say anything against these.
Demsci says
No, not meant to impress you, but 3rd persons, groups. We have different intellectual viewpoints, in a divers society. And are now having a meaningful dialogue.
When D.TRump applied for the job of president, he knew he would be criticized, insulted, attacked, and yes, ridiculed, relentlessly and he did it anyway. His detractors knew they had nothing to fear from him. how different all this is in China (executes 1300 people per year or so?) Iran (600 hangings per year), Russia, Turkey (record number of jailed journalists). There there is deep censorship and state propaganda. Isn’t it much better in USA (dear jury, not you Rod)?
The mainstream media lied when they said Trump parodied an invalid, when they said he said Nazi’s are fine people. When they said he said immigrants are animals (when he said gangster rapists and murderers were animals), media said peaceful people were gassed by order of the president for a foto op, when it was the police who decided to clear ONE block, due to violence, which wounded officers, they did it after warnings, without gas, no one was injured. Chuck Todd deliberately showed only half of what DOJ Barr was saying about the Flynn case, in order to vilify Barr.
Oh, and when D. Trump bragged about **** grabbing, that was about gold digging women, who offered this to him, not about groping women against their will, Still not good, but better than Biden Who well may have done this with Tara Reade.
And ridicule? That’s often just another propaganda weapon.
We have the evidence of spinning lies of the media and their credibility concerning Trump is heavily damaged. People should just remember; when bad actors from one side can do the above to the other side, it can happen in reverse too, and when some of the media can do it to Trump, they can do it to anyone. Therefore factcheck the media and demand all sides to be truly journalistic, objective, neutral.
Wellington says
Rod: The chaos and destruction presently going on in America is due to two factors above all: Leftism and ignorance (these two are very much related).
As for racism in America, it is largely a myth. Over the past half century or so America has passed all kinds of laws and engaged in all kinds of initiatives to make racism in America a thing of the past. How is a young, talented, motivated black person in America prevented by white America from achieving in any field they want to? The greatest enemy of black America, as I have written before, is black America. Massive out of wedlock births (over 70%) in the black community is a guarantee of permanent societal backwardness and dysfunction. Young black males killing other young black males in huge amounts is not the fault of whitey.
Also mythical is police brutality. Per the CDC, killings of blacks by police are down 75% over the last forty-five years while the killings of whites, as Larry Elder, himself black, has said has remained “flat lined,” i.e., the same since 1975. Per FBI statistics, a policeman is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a young black male than the other way around. And yet the grievance mongers in spite of such facts as these push the narrative that the police are racist and terrible. It’s a lie masquerading as the truth. The occasional rogue cop certainly does exist (e.g., Derek Chauvin) but the vast majority of police due their extremely tough and dangerous job with ability and professionalism.
Now back to Leftism. Old fashion liberalism has morphed into Leftism over the past half century and Leftism is totalitarian in nature. It seeks to demonize a “them” which all totalitarian ideologies do (Nazism with ethnic groups, Marxism with socio-economic groups, Islam with non-Muslims and Leftism with whites). It also distorts history for its own purposes and wants to make a distinction between free speech and hate speech, which is Orwellian and insures the death of free speech, which has already occurred where the Left is most in charge in America—the educational system.
Most of America still works quite well. The problem is that wherever Leftism has dominance, the results are dismal. This tends to exist the most in metropolitan areas. As I have also written before, if 99% of black Americans woke up tomorrow committed Ronald Reagan conservatives this would do more to help black America and all of America in a decade than a thousand years of Leftism. Racism is not the problem, Leftism accompanied by ignorance (and ignorance includes not taking responsibility for one’s own behavior) are the problems and yet the Left would have you believe the problems lies elsewhere. They don’t.
As for Trump, I see him as the greatest guarantor of freedom in the world. He is detested by many because he really does want to drain the fetid swamp which is Washington DC. The American federal government has grown too big and too arrogant and Trump is trying to change this—hence he has many enemies. He actually has been quite effective in many ways. Just look at how well the American economy was doing before the coronoavirus hit, this included the lowest black unemployment in American history due to Trump getting rid of all kinds of unnecessary regulations. His pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal and the silly Paris climate accord (to this day no scientific evidence exists for man-made climate change—only correlation studies and computer model projections, neither of which constitutes scientific evidence and each of which has a notorious track record for accuracy; such phenomena as ocean currents and solar activity have far more to do with the climate than does man who pumps out a very small amount of CO2 compared to what the oceans and seas of the world do—a mere 20 gigatons versus up to 230 gigatons) were also great things as was his getting NATO nations to shoulder more of the cost of that organization. His revamping trade deals has also been a boon to the American economy. His criminal justice reform has even been praised by many Democrats. Moving the American embassy to Jerusalem also made a very powerful statement that many, including myself, fully support Trump’s very negative portrayal around the world is due to ignorance and malice, not rooted in truth or facts. Obama was the disastrous President, not Trump.
Well, this is enough for now. Your turn to respond if you care.
CogitoErgoSum says
Eddie, obviously has something wrong with him and is in serious need of some help.
gravenimage says
I am not a prudish person, but the amount of profanity alone from the vile “eddie” is beyond the pale.
eddie says
You seem more concerned about the word dick than the fact Trump gassed his own people.
CogitoErgoSum says
Trump did not gas anybody. I’m sorry you have mental problems, Eddie, but that does not mean I have to go along with the lies you tell. The U.S. Park Police say they did not use tear gas and further explained their actions this way:
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm
I am going to believe the Park Police before I will you.
gravenimage says
What claptrap from “eddie”.
Besides, he appears to be a fan of Hitler *really* having gassed his own people to death, and prefers him to Trump.
CogitoErgoSum says
I have the suspicion that Rod and Eddie are the same person. Eddie is the more mentally unstable side of Rod.
tgusa says
Even though the leftist tear gas meme is a lie if Trump were indeed Hitler wouldn’t he have used zyclon b instead eddie? Even in a case that tear gas would be used that would be so, not Hitler.
You seem to be riveted by the goings on in the USA, riveted. Now go home and abuse your goat. You are tiresome.
JustAsking says
Meet Eddie. Eddie is a bloody clown. Don’t be like Eddie.
Fortunately, the mental illness you see with Eddie is a minority problem here in the UK.
keith O says
I think you have all been sidetracked by Eddie’s comments.
Whilst I find what he has said to be utter BS of the highest order..The issue at hand is that ONLY Christian and Jewish places of worship have been targeted.
Now from what I can see there is a couple of possibilities going on.
1. Antifa is orchestrating the attacks to turn the population against Muslims and thereby do their dirty work for them. IE cause as much division as possible and hopefully bloodshed.
2. It’s Muslims using the cover of the rioting to attack the infidels and then being able to blame it on others. (it wasn’t us you filthy Islamophobes.)
If it is ANTIFA, then you have a huge problem because the organisation required to carry out these attacks is impressive to say the least and the MSM is refusing to call them out for what they are doing.
ANYONE GOT ANY THOUGHTS?
Wellington says
keith O: I think it may be the opposite of what you say and you give the goons at Antifa too much credit.
The refusal to target mosques but nonetheless churches and synagogues is “just” your standard leftism in action and which hates the Judeo-Christian world and looks upon Muslims as just another victim of the West.
I concede you may be right but I believe my take is more likely to be closer to the truth.
As far as “eddie,” goes, I would argue there is a limit to free expression even in the freest societies on earth and when that limit is crossed by falsely crying “fire” in a crowed theater or engaging in rank vulgarity, then, for freedom’s sake, for the actual preservation of freedom, a cessation of such abuse of liberty needs to end.
It’s a close call often times, a judgment call I do concede, but I never tolerated rank vulgarity in my classes, though I tolerated all political opinions, and I do not see how the cause of freedom is advanced by tolerating vulgarity. Indeed, I would argue doing such takes advantage of freedom to a parasitical and destructive degree, rather as Islam regularly does by way of its warped and highly destructive religious views.
gravenimage says
keith O wrote:
Now from what I can see there is a couple of possibilities going on.
1. Antifa is orchestrating the attacks to turn the population against Muslims and thereby do their dirty work for them. IE cause as much division as possible and hopefully bloodshed.
2. It’s Muslims using the cover of the rioting to attack the infidels and then being able to blame it on others. (it wasn’t us you filthy Islamophobes.)
……………………
I agree with you on point 2, Keith–but not on point 1.
I don’t think that Antifa wants to turn the population against Muslims–they regularly ally with Jihadist thugs.
keith O says
Wellington & GI,
I can see your point of view, however, if we look back at the origins of antifa as far back as Italy in the 1920s. They were communist leaning and lets face it, communist world wide are not adverse to smiling at you whilst putting the knife in the ribs. They have been known to sacrifice large numbers of their own for the end goal.
Also, ANTIFA =Anti Fascist= communist.
It was the Nazi who aligned with the Muslims in WW2.
What these grubs are doing requires guidance and training and a level of duplicity which is highly evolved.
The end goal of antifa is to cause as much chaos as possible to enable a takeover.
Wellington says
Thanks for your reply, keith O. Your point that Antifa is quite well organized is backed up by that intrepid and informed reporter, Lara Logan. As you asserted, much training, per Logan, goes into “qualifying” Antifa members. I just don’t know how smart they are (well, they’re certainly wrong but very smart people throughout history have been terribly wrong).
In any case, here is where I think we can completely agree, i.e., Antifa (what a nasty group of thugs they are, the antithesis of truly wise people like those who established democracy in ancient Athens, examples being Solon, Cleisthenes and Themistocles, and those who established the American Republic, examples being Washington, Jefferson and Madison) is extremist—Far Left extremist rather than Far Right extremist.
And eminently notable is that one of many characteristics the Far Left and the Far Right have in common is a detestation of liberty and they will use anyone or any organization to advance their goals. Islam for the time being is useful to Antifa as Antifa is temporarily useful to Islam. But of course it is a given they would tear each other apart if their common enemies ceased to exist, which is contrary to organizations and polities embracing freedom, a truth missed by many.
Rogues all around going after freedom and equality under the law—two common denominators where Antifa and Islam are concerned. Just not sure about some of the “details” but the overall picture is quite clear. Most important for all of sense to realize is that whatever is the matter with the world it is nothing Antifa or Islam can fix. Knowing not what to do and accept is as important, if not important, as knowing what to do and accept. As Oliver Cromwell said (paraphrasing here), I know not exactly what I would have but I do know what I would not have.
Again, thanks for your input.
Demsci says
It was insightful for me to finally hear explain that anti-fa(scist)s not necessarily are pro freedom and democracy, free market. No, they are, if you will, a third party, one that perhaps is against fascism, yes, but also against our democratic system!!! And we can trust the rotten apples of the MSM to be ignorant about this distinction. We wish they would understand what antifa would do to THEM if it came into power!
I love history and I love it when Wellington points out details about the glorious time in the 6th century BC in Athens when democracy was tried out for the first time (that I know of).
there was the proposal to unite 10 powerful democracies against China the other day. And I am hoping that the UDN will come into existence; United Democratic Nations. And not with bogus members as the DPRK (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea) either. There, I formulated what we maybe can be FOR, not only being against things.
James Lincoln says
Demsci,
Wellington’s knowledge of history is encyclopedic.
I try my best to keep up with him, but mostly fall short…
Wellington says
As I see matters, you don’t fall short at all, James. No way, no how.
James Lincoln says
Thank you for the kind words, Wellington.
tgusa says
It is a combination of diametrically opposed groups coming together out of convenience. And yes for some strange reason the media think it is cool and then it reports on it as cool.
tgusa says
I should rephrase what I wrote,” It” the enemy, is a loose and fragile coalition of diametrically opposed groups coming together out of convenience hiding within the ranks of peaceful protesters.
It is an annoying threat but a completely insignificant threat nationwide.
US authorities must recognize It as the threat to peaceful protesters unless of course US authorities don’t deem It as a threat.
US authorities represent the law of the land and if the law were to break down the good local people would take it upon themselves to keep civilized order.
James Lincoln says
keith O,
It’s likely that ANTIFA is afraid of real violence from muslims if they attack mosques.
For them, mosques represent the “third rail” – don’t touch them…
CogitoErgoSum says
Project Veritas has started posting some videos concerning an investigation they have been doing on Antifa. Here’s a link to what they have on YouTube so far:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=project+veritas
I hope there is much more to come.
Kepha says
The “Free Palestine” graffiti on vandalized synagogues says it all. I looked for any news on mosques vandalized in the current rioting, and all I could find was news from either India or that was 3 years old.
gravenimage says
Kepha, I am just barely old enough to remember when the narrative about Israel was changed in 1967 (I was a first grade kid at the time). She went from being considered a plucky little underdog surrounded by hostile countries–which has *not* changed–to being considered a “white”, wealthy, “colonialist oppressor”. Sadly, this travesty has gone over really big. Even a lot of otherwise decent people swallow this calumny.
Bezelel says
Here’s some interesting info that goes right along with the article. By George Webb
https://youtu.be/Vyj-qaacoQ4
Kepha says
I’m old enough to remember the riots of the late 1960’s sending Nixon to the White House in 1969; and then his landslide in 1972. Perhaps this showing of true colors by the Left this time will not only return Trump to the WH, but also throw some of the Democrats out of the Senate and House.
While Uncle Kepha is sympathetic to the blacks’ desire for real equality, and has put a bit of his lfe into helping minority students, his sense that “the Fire this Time” will probably be met with fire hoses, the wielders of which will not be shamed–since instead of a peaceful protest, the hoses will be turned on looters who’ve killed men like Underwood and Dorn, and brought the sweat equity of their neighbors to naught.
gravenimage says
I hope so, Kepha.
Demsci says
Your thoughts, arguments give me comfort, Kepha.
gravenimage says
Rioters attack churches and synagogues, but no mosques
……………..
Why am I not surprised by this?
Rod says
My estimate would be that
a) at least 99 percent of churches, synagogues and mosques were not damaged in any way at all
b) if mosques were spared it would be because Muslims are not accused of habitually mistreating Americans of colour (Surprise, surprise!)
c) Mr Spencer’s opinions are in this case entirely speculative, and totally unsupported by statistics. (As usual.)
d) if you couldn’t work this out for yourself, you’re probably a typical jihadwatcher. (and “not surprised” by any amount of improbable, hateful nonsense.)
keith O says
That’s right, no churches and synagogues were attacked, it was all part of a plot put forward by Trump in collusion with the msm.
Rod, your a wanker of the highest order!
And I don’t need you to insult my intelligence, my government & the msm do it every day.
gravenimage says
So “Rod” here is OK because the *majority* of churches and synagogues in the US were not damaged? This does not mean that rioters held off. The fact is that *most* Americans are *not* rioting. “Rod” must be so disappointed.
As for the idea that Islam does not mistreat people of color–Blacks most of all–*nothing* could be more absurd. Not only did the “Prophet” Muhammed refer to African people as “raisin heads”, but–far worse–Muslims regularly enslave Black Africans, and have for centuries.
In fact, this has *never* gone away. There are millions of Blacks enslaved by Muslims in Africa. Note that “Rod” has *nothing* to say against this–but then, why would he? And the idea that the United States would somehow be exempted from this if Muslims became a majority here is ridiculous. Many Islamic scholars openly call for reinstating slavery.
Then can “Rod” show where churches and synagogues are mistreating people of color? Of course not. In fact, large numbers of Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians are themselves Christian.
Then, can “Rod” point to anything that Daniel Greenfield got wrong in his article? Of course not–that is why he doesn’t cite a single thing. Greenfield reported specific churches and synagogues targeted–this was not “speculation” as “Rod” claims.
Then, the idea that I and other good people at Jihad Watch are “hateful” for opposing attacks on churches and synagogues is just sickening–but, there’s that term again, hardly surprising coming from “Rod”.
b.a. freeman says
welcome back, eddie! maybe U will learn something here. oh, yeah, that’s right; U *NEVER* listen to those with whom U disagree; U couldn’t possibly EVER learn anything from them, right?
yup, U’re the kind of guy who ran around on kristallnacht, breaking shop windows and beating up “da joos.” why talk when U can just kill your opponent, right?
Demsci says
No, Eddie never indicates that he learned something from his opponents. But even the densest opponents, like him, can SAY something that could give us pause. He is a terrible messenger, but may have useful messages to us. We can outdo him precisely by being open to arguments from the other side (and rest assured; Eddie did not think of these himself, no, he is just picking up messages by our real, intelligent opponents, and even from some well meaning opponents)
Let him ignore us, we can utilize him, in the process humbly acknowledging good points he makes, perhaps seeing our own blind spots.
Carolyn Marlin says
Sir Kenite’s always are pro Kenite’s????
gravenimage says
None of this has anything to do with this tiny Biblical tribe.
mortimer says
St. John’s Episcopal Church has been called the Presidents’ Church. When you attack the Presidents’ Church, it is very symbolic. The president did the right thing to draw a line around St John’s Church.
gravenimage says
I agree this was highly symbolic, Mortimer–and in the ugliest way.
mortimer says
Attempts by leftist pastors to try to be relevant haven’t worked with the young Trotskyists who want world-wide revolution.
The Apocalypse is coming.
Rod says
“Blessed are the peacemakers”. I think Jesus was referring to leftist pastors, not the buffoon demanding domination of his fellow Americans, and the US Army shutting down peaceful protests.
Bezelel says
rod, your perspective of “peacemaking” is run a foul. The rioters are attacking, not the shop keepers. The leftist pastors (gag) are making excuses for violence. You may convince some uninformed kids with your B.S. but not here.
gravenimage says
Peacemakers? “Rod” here is whitewashing rioting and targeting places of worship. How is this peaceful?
Demsci says
Pres. Trump wanted police and military to dominate the thugs, looters in the streets.
Trust people with Trump deragement syndrome to twist this to him saying this into him wanting to dominate fellow Americans. Pure strawman argument.
No where after Floyd’s death were peaceful protests shut down. Merely pushed back. And not of just peacefuls. It is as if I hear Chinese, Russian or Iranian propaganda against America. Or bad actors in MSM, with a long history of half truths, leaving out essential context and negative twisting.
Daniel Triplett says
In my view, excepting child porn/crimes, we should allow everything else on the Internet. Let’s get it all on the table for all to see. We’re all adults. We don’t need to be shielded because we’re too stupid to know what’s best for our own good. Understanding our enemy better prepares us to defeat it.
Let’s all see the jihad-porn of decapitations; rapes; forced conversions; burning or drowning of hypocrites and apostates in cages; female Genital Mutilations; honor killings; state-sanctioned wife beatings; homosexuals hanged or thrown off rooftops, etc etc. Show it on video for all of us.
The West doesn’t understand what’s really going on and what’s at stake. The reality of Islamic Manifest Destiny would generate reaction. Allow the Ummah to show us their mission, motives, and methods. We’d be stupid and self-defeating to censure this.