My latest in PJ Media:
Miami imam Dr. Fadi Yousef Kablawi and British establishment academic Tom Holland are no doubt worlds apart in worldview. Holland even received numerous death threats a few years ago for his critical examination of the origins of Islam, and although Kablawi may not want Holland dead, he almost certainly disapproves of such inquiries. But there is one thing they agree on: the problem that the U.S. and the U.K. are experiencing now can be laid squarely at the feet of Christianity.
If you haven’t noticed the rioters, looters, and destroyers chanting “Jesus is Lord,” it’s because Kablawi and Holland would have you believe that the connection is more subtle. In a recent sermon, Kablawi asserted: “Christianity – the way it got corrupted – is the main reason for what we see happening in this country. Christianity.”
How could that be? It’s simple: the learned imam thinks that the riots are happening because Christian doctrine tempts believers to libertinism. Jesus died for your sins, so you can do anything you want, including, apparently, looting cities, and all your sins are paid for: “[Jesus] – that’s their god, as they claim – he was killed. But he was not killed for a bad reason, he was killed for your sins. So it does not matter what you do, as much looting as you do – at the end of the week, you are forgiven….Go [to church] on Sunday and confess or repent and you are good. As long as you believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, you are fine. You tell me how such a religion will create good citizens.”
Kablawi’s punchline was predictable: “So what’s the solution for this aspect? Islam. Islam.”
Holland, for his part, is not likely to agree that Islam is the solution, or that the trouble comes from Christianity allowing for moral license (an idea condemned in the New Testament and declared a heresy in the earliest days of the Church, by the way), but he does agree with Kablawi in thinking that the real problem we have on our hands today is because of Christianity, or in Holland’s view, “the legacy of Christianity.”
There is much more. Read the rest here.
Political Oracle says
I watched the video of the imam in Miami. The imam not only stigmatized Christianity but he lied to his congregation about sin. The imam took forgiveness in Christianity as litgeral and used an exaggerated example to substantiate his lies. The imam most likely never read the Bible so he could not give relevant chapters or verses where the Bible indicates that crimes such as the one’s he referenced are forgiven. As far as Tom in the U.K., he is a lapdog for CAIR and a useless moron that meets the needs of his new muslim supreme rulers.
eddie says
If you are a Christian, your view of salvation will depend on whether you are a Calvinist, or an Arminian, or a universalist.
Wellington says
No, you’re wrong again, eddie. There are even other views of salvation by Christians as proffered by the Angelic Doctor of the Roman Catholic Church, Thomas Aquinas, or the entire orb of the third great portion of Christianity, the Orthodox world.
eddie says
Good point:
I was talking about the beliefs of Protestants.
TomSJr says
THERE IS ONLY 1 PURE BELIEF AND THAT IS IN JESUS CHRIST AND HIS CHURCH (not a denomination). Without Jesus Christ and His SAVING GRACE for your salvation (forgiveness of your sins BY JESUS), you will be doomed for eternity.
THERE IS ONLY ONE CHURCH AND THAT IS THE ONE WHO HAS TRUE BELIEVERS IN THE SAVING GRACE OF JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD. If Christians cannot walk the walk with Christ in LOVE, then they do NOT belong to HIM.
The trouble with some CINOs (Christian in Name ONLY) is that they seldom read the Word of God (New Testament), nor do they pray. THEY JUST ACT PIOUS AND DEMAND THAT OTHERS DO WHAT THEY THINK THEY SHOULD DO.
I AM A SINNER, WHO WAS SAVED BY GRACE.
However, I AM NOT PERFECT, JUST FORGIVEN and I walk every day like it is my very last day on earth!
Wellington says
Doomed without Jesus? So, all Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, et al. are doomed for eternity because they don’t accept Jesus as Lord?
Your turn.
jimjfox says
Firm belief in the absurd is one of humanity’s strangest predictions. You have an answer for Wellington’s apposite riposte?
R Russell says
Wellington,
Perhaps I should have waited to see if Tom S Jr intended to reply. However since I have know way of knowing if he will reply or not, I have decided to make a contribution myself.
Wellington, The question you ask is not a new one.
Believing YHWH God to be the creator of the universe, it makes sense that he makes decisions about it.
Since he is primarily a God of love, but also with other attributes among which are justice and righteousness, then we can be sure he will not act in a vindictive way.
He makes it clear in the Bible about how he acts, ‘Shall not the judge of all the Earth do right?’
In other words since he can be trusted, the people groups whom you mention will not be treated unfairly. How YHWH God will do that I do not know.
Those I am more concerned about are those who have found out that their flaws, minor and major need to be confessed and forgiven because Jesus died and rose again to take our punishment as well as assisting us to be more like him.
As creator, YHWH God has the right ‘to make the rules’. Our flaws, sin have separated us from knowing YHWH thus he gets to make the route back to him. Jesus took the penalty for our sin and we decide as individuals whether we want to go his way or our way.
As someone who has found out about the way back to God, you make that decision yourself – and to bring some of the other theology into it, many allegorically speak of the way back to God as the notice above the door having a caption, ‘Elect according to the foreknowledge of God’ and having gone through the door and looking back at it, the caption on the inside sates, ‘whosoever will may come’.
You decide. Do you want Jesus’ sacrifice to apply to you or not. It’s a free gift, but like all gifts it has to be received before you receive the benefits of it.
Wellington says
R Russell: Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
It really depends, it seems, on the Christian sect that one is talking about whether a person can be saved who is not a Christian. In general, Roman Catholicism takes the route of asserting that if one lives a Christ-like life, even though one is not a Christian, then salvation for that person occurs—though there are statements by certain Popes centuries ago to the contrary.
In the Protestant world it is quite mixed, anywhere from mirroring the Catholic position to an absolute conviction that minus baptism and belief in Jesus as Lord there is no salvation. Jesus Himself is often vague about this, though in Mark 16:16 He states clearly that those who are not baptized and don’t believe are condemned (but many Biblical scholars, as you might know, think the very last portion of Mark was added later, including the verse I cited).
The third main branch of Christianity, the Orthodox world, takes yet another position, perhaps the most subtle of them all, to wit, that it is not up to man to decide this question but God and man really can’t know about this matter.
I think if a merciful God exists that condemning someone who never even heard of Jesus is simply unmerciful, for instance those who lived centuries before Jesus ever walked the earth and could not have possibly known about Jesus, or some poor, illiterate Hindu in India or some poor, illiterate Chinese person, each of whom lived centuries after Jesus but never even heard of Him, and yet were good people all their life with family, friends and neighbors.
Now, taking Saint Augustine’s point of view (which personally I think is severe), all of mankind deserves perdition but God in His mercy saves a few—this tends to mirror the portion of the Protestant world that requires baptism and belief or else, and even then there is no guarantee. Since I am an agnostic but one who admires the Judeo-Christian ethic (while detesting the Islamic ethic), I think of myself as a kind of neutral observer, but I think it incumbent upon me to be as fair and objective as possible in assessing what Christians believe where the only certainty on this particular matter is that there is no certainty.
Thanks again for your reply. Take care.
gravenimage says
Political Oracle’s point was that no Christian denomination, Protestant or otherwise, urges Christians to go out and sin, telling them they will be immediately forgiven. “eddie” hopes Infidels here do not know this.
Robert Porter says
eddie, in view of the subject matter of this article, your comment amounts to irrelevant nonsense. Do you think you could keep on topic?
Dr. Fadi Yousef Kablawi’s statement about Christianity and his linking of mindless black and Marxist pagans to Christianity, suitably mocked by Robert, amount to all too typical mentally deranged Muslim thinking, based as it is upon Mohammad’s ignorant views on Christians and Jews. I recommend that you discuss this rather than wandering off into the bush regarding views on salvation. Just be assured of one thing, there is no salvation in Islam and unless Dr. Fadi Yousef Kablawi finds salvation in Christianity he will with millions of Muslim and other pagans rot in hell.
Ferd III says
Your post is the only one that is on topic.
So we have non-Christian, Black-White-Moslem racists and fascists (anti-white, anti-jew), looting, attacking, pulling down history.
For Holland and the Moslem quack this is blamed on Christianity?
Stupid has no end. I have lost a lot of respect for Holland.
Maybe to prove his point we Catholics should start burning down mosques as emblems of Moslem modern day slavery, sex-slavery, and the 50 million Black slaves traded into the Moslem empires by Arabs and Blacks……
gravenimage says
Robert, “eddie” has a long and ugly history of either whitewashing Jihad or trying to distract from it. That is what he is doing here.
Alice W says
No one like Christians, Eddie. It is a miracle they are around. From day one Satan has tried to wipe them out. Most persecuted group. Yet any atheist borrows something from Christianity for their own worldview.
Sad to see so many attacking Christianity and Christians for not doing enough to help mankind.
Name one Darwinist that believes in evolution and that man is just an ape that did anything but destroy humans because they are just animals.
Christianity teaches that humans are special, ALL humans were made in the image of God, the Creator.
That humans should love Him that made them and one another.
gravenimage says
Alice, your idea that everyone who believes in evolution is a mass murderer is not just mistaken, but also quite bizarre.
Moreover, many–in the West, *most*–Christians also believe in evolution. The two are not contradictory.
Dude says
Let’s face it: America has little to do with Christianity.
Hanging runaway slaves, poor sleeping on sidewalks in the cold winter, there’s a lot here that Jesus would not condone in today’s gimme gimme more more now now world.
Mammon has won in greed central.
But to think that Islam generates a more peaceful climate is beyond ludicrous.
keith O says
Dude
I think you are right in part of your assessment, simple greed is to blame for a lot of the problems facing America and yes a lot of the behavior of “Christians” in society has strayed from the original teachings. But the thing to remember is that these levels of poverty are not restricted to Christian countries.
Islam is by far the worst choice of any person or nation who wants to make a change for good in their situation. Just look at how social problems are dealt with in enlightened Islamic countries!
Murder, rape, looting, torture and its always the victims fault.
An unfortunate part of human behavior is to try and find something or someone to blame for anything bad that happens to them, instead of having a good long hard look at themselves first.
Janice Mermikli says
It is also interesting that so many Muslims will do anything to escape their own countries, even paying a fortune to smugglers and risking their lives to move to the West. Judging by that, life in Mulslm majority countries (even the ones which aren’t in a seemingly permanent state of war) can’t be very good.
gravenimage says
Not all Muslims are trying to flee Islam–many of them also want to impose Islam on the free world.
revereridesagain says
The people I associate with philosophically are all atheist and I don’t know any of them who have hanged a runaway slave. Or would. True they don’t believe that, say, sexual love outside of a marriage personally approved by the Virgin Lord Jesus will earn one an eternity burning in hell, but other than that they are consistently moral in the sense that they recognize that we have certain rights as rational beings — not flicked into our brains by Jesus’s putative Father — and that everyone else has the same rights as we do and that morality is rooted in recognizing that and never violating it by initiating force against anyone.
Evil does not = succeeding in business which I guess you would count as “gimme gimme”.
None of which would satisfy the Imaginary God Jesus because everything in Christianity begins and ends with adoration of “Him”. Really tired of being morally condemned as evil just because of not believing in your gods.
James Lincoln says
revereridesagain,
I am a devout Christian.
I have no problem with good people who believe in the “Golden Rule”, including agnostics and atheists.
I don’t morally condemn good people, such as yourself.
Please don’t think that all Christians have a mindset that would condemn good people. I have good friends who are agnostics and atheists…
gravenimage says
Same here, James.
jimjfox says
you are a rarity, James; the majority of devout Christians hate atheists especially. Also I should point out that when Americans are surveyed about the least likely to be elected president, Atheists are at the bottom of that survey.
Rufolino says
And what do you do about bad people James ? (Of whom I am one.)
James Lincoln says
Rufolino says,
“And what do you do about bad people James ? (Of whom I am one.)”
Respectfully disagree, your many posts refute your claim that you are a “bad” person.
Everyone has done things in the past that they are not proud of. I certainly have. I don’t believe that makes me a “bad” person. You learn from your mistakes, make amends, improve yourself, move on – and try to do better.
The way that I do define “bad” people are people who have committed horrific crimes and have no conscience. Justice should serve up the most appropriate form of punishment, depending upon the actual crime…
gravenimage says
That has not been my experience, jimjfox.
Merri-joy says
revereridesagain says “Imaginary God Jesus” and “because everything in Christianity begins and ends with adoration of “Him”.
1. There’s huge numbers of HISTORICAL documentation of the birth, death & resurrection of Jesus Christ!
2. There were 500 WITNESSES who saw Jesus resurrected!
3. Both Herod & Pontius Pilate – two verified historical people declared Jesus INNOCENT!
4. One of the Roman soldiers at the foot of the cross declared that Jesus truly was the Son of God!
Jesus is real, living.
jimjfox says
All religions claim similar evidence. They cannot all be true, not even yours.
FYI says
@revereridesagain
You can be a reasonable atheist or you can be a militant atheist:militant atheists are not reasonable and behave a lot like enraged intolerant religious zealots.
{militant atheists:ban the IDEA of God,ban all religions,all religions are evil ,science gets rid of God{it doesn’t} etc.These are not reasonable or even rational beliefs}
atheists are certainly not without a moral compass:give me an honest atheist any day over a dishonest religious zealot.
If you are a reasonable atheist you will know what i’m talking about in regards to militant atheists:they do not actually come across as reasonable at all.
You are most certainly a reasonable atheist.
{On the one hand i would not want to be stuck on an island with an angry religious zealot as he would be nattering on about some God all the time.
On the other hand i would not want to be stuck on an island with an angry
militant atheist as he would be nattering on about some god all the time.
A reasonable atheist would be fine:NOT a militant one constantly obsessed and enraged about some deity or other.I mean someone who is angry all the time about God most likely isn’t an actual atheist.Am i right or what?}
BTW You know the Sky Fairy parody god of the atheists?I do like him.{In fact he reminds me of allah the great Arab Sultan in the Sky with his two right hands..} but isn’t it time the Sky Fairy came out of the closet?I mean the loud shirts,the body-building obsession,the opera…i’m just sayin’…
As for the Flying Spaghetti Monster{..i get it..}nothing compares to muhammed’s winged flying donkey with a woman’s face a creature many muslims believe to be real{as it was mo’s mode of transport koran 17.1 when he visited that mosque in Jerusalem…you know the one that didn’t exist in mo’s time}
Wellington says
With respect, Dude, the best of America has much to do with the Judeo-Christian ethic. So much of America was founded upon this very ethic.
gravenimage says
+1
gravenimage says
Dude, do you believe that slavery is still practiced in the United States, along with hanging runaway slaves? You are either mistaken or may want to consider updating your references.
underbed cat says
Hey dude, read the “Ten Commandments”, it is part of our history, looting, tearing down busineses, calling people haters reflects maybe on your experiences but is not a way of peaceful living….each individual is responsible for his action and the emotion of compassion for others is the only way to prevent the type of society that you detest, slave ownership is illegal and has been in the U.S. but still goes on elsewhere in the world and was part of the trigger for the Civil War in the United States by a President name Lincoln who saw humans in chains, a disturbing sight as they came off the boats, and but even then some slave owners had compassion for the people that were purchased, not all but many did have compassion and housed and fed the people that were trafficed to america by foreign slave traders from afar and became respected and a needed part of family units and farms. Cruelty is even found in modern era it depends on the person, some have empathy some cannot concieve of others feelings and only want control. Skin color is not decisive matter in, no matter what the race, it is the amount of empathy , compassion one can sustain to be kind. Just a thought.
Donovan Nuera says
All the abolitionists were Christian. I bet a large supermajority of the 363,000 Union dead were Christian. (as were the veterans of ALL our wars) . The Union soldiers actually FREED the slaves, not the politicians. Also, compared to Europe, the US has a much higher church attendance and affiliation rate and self-identify as such in polls. Christians , as per several studies over the last decades, give more to charity than non-Christians… and to charities that actually help people, and not save pit-bulls from dog pounds, etc…
As a rule, you would not know about the true rate of charitable giving as devout Christians are taught to not be flashy with making a big to-do like rich celebrities but give anonymously, often from meager savings. Look at the conspicuous consumption actively glorified by Hollywood- Media-finance-sports-politco celebs and “influencers”; they flaunt their St. Tropez/Monaco/St. Barts luxury superyacht vacations, private 5-star resorts rented out for their birthday parties, supercars at the ready, Vegas party weekends, monstrous and garish mansions being featured in all the right style magazines, photo-essays on their stints at luxurious rehab centers, after-parties on Sunday nights apres-Oscars (when we schlubs would never do that on a day of Rest and before going to work on Monday….just to rub it in our face), fancy red-carpet galas with the attendees wearing clothes that cost as much as yearly budget for a local Christian soup-kitchen. You can take a guess how many are devout Christians. A large majority mock Christians (knowing they won’t have to worry about being attacked back)
As for a lot of the homeless, especially here in Southern California, a certain percentage REFUSE any and all help and actually like to lie about and get high and drunk all day near the beaches, even in winter when it gets near freezing at night. They should not be called “homeless”; but “Unable to grow up and maintain a living area and job through bad decisions and pure laziness”. The young liberal college kids never really help out at shelters.
gravenimage says
Good post. Donovan. And you are right that some homeless refuse services.
Mark D Anderson says
Im a Catholic for over 45 years now. NOT liberal( yecchh) and I give a ton of money to save Pit Bulls every year. But I also give alot of money to my church. lol. Just to say both CAN be done.
gravenimage says
+1
Dude says
Seeing so much support and spirit here warms my heart as do malls at Christmas when “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God” comes alive, if only momentarily.
I look at the world and I see the drunken liciviousness Moses saw when he came down the mountain from the burning bush in the movie, Ten Commandments.
But it is true that the foundation of western society is Judeo-Christian truth. And thankfully we seem to have preserved much of that, even through plagues, serfdom, piracy, wars, intoxication, greed, yadda, yadda.
At times however, I do fear Christ’s essence of “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God” has become watered-down into impotent tinsel. Hopefully all is in good hands. I’m sure it is.
Thank you all for speaking up.
Political Oracle says
Correction: literal, not litgeral…
eddie says
It must be terrible to live in a ‘shithole’ country like America.
We have blacks and whites protesting, but the blacks won’t be choked to death or shot in the back by Officer ‘Nigger Hater’.
Over here in Britain, our leaders are not like the vermin in the White House who likes to hold a Bible.
By the way, I hate the Jihad (that’s for gravenimage).
Westman says
I can’t recall the first black Prime Minister in the UK, Eddie. Please refresh my faded memory. Though the UK government tries to hide its racism by avoiding statistics by race, how many blacks are in the House Of Lords, 2? The US equivalent, The Senate, has had 10, with 3 currently serving.
The UK is no better than the US about racism – its involvement in the slave trade and its past racism toward its colonies is legendary.
The UK leaders are taking you down the rabbit hole of Islam in a failing attempt to show the world how they have “reformed”. Nothing is different; its just a new generation protesting; most who will change their opinions with time and experience to fit reality.
We’ll keep our, “vermin”, since they know that unvetted immigration will destroy a nation while the EU and the UK are busy sinking their own. Brexit was an intelligent economic and sovereignty move, yet not far enough. At least the UK can be proud that it seeded the US even if it has since thrown away its heritage.
Is the UK a nation or an identifiable people? Or is it just an unintegrated mix of ethnic cultures, each with its own geography – a result of former colonizing?
Janice Mermikli says
The UK was the first in the world to abolish slavery, with the Slavery Act of 1807 and the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833. This was policed by the Royal Navy and enforced at gunpoint where necessary. The British government of the day even paid the Spanish and Portuguese governments to end their part in the Atlantic slave trade.
On the other hand, it took a hugely destructive Civil War a generation later (1861-65) for slavery to be abolished in the USA.
So get your history right. Britain was the first in the world to abolish slavery, and it did this by using the instruments of government and the then powerful Royal Navy (which also helped to enforce the USA’s Munroe Doctrine when the USA had no navy of ifs own, but that;s another matter altogether) to apply and enforce the ban on. slavery, No need for a civil war!
The only point which you make that I agree with is that we should stop the Islamisation of Britain, and indeed of Europe as a whole, as Islamic values are incompatible with and opposed to ours.
Janice Mermikli says
that’s,,,
Terry Gain says
Janice
How would you propose to stop the Islamisation of Britain? Given Britain’s embrace of Islamic blasphemy laws isn’t it already too late? How do you propose to effect change without free speech?
Are you aware that the estimable Robert Spencer has been banned from Britain? Other than Jay Smith who is educating the British about Islam? Other than Lord Pearson, what British parliamentarian is even prepared to talk about Islam? Given the establishment’s attack upon Tommy Robinson for exposing Muslim rape gangs and the failure of the public to rally around Tommy, as evidenced by the number of people who voted for him when he ran for the European Parliament, isn’t the situation there hopeless?
mortimer says
Janice Mermikli is correct. The sacrifice of white Union soldiers freed the slaves. That’s what they fought for. It is the height of ingratitude for BLM not to recon their great sacrifices for freedom.
gravenimage says
Janice, the abolitionist impetus in both Britain and the US were very similar, and their abolitionist movements had close links.
tedh754 says
No, over there “Asians” and others will commit mass rape for decades and the cops will turn a blind eye towards it. So the cops don’t do much at all, do they?
Wellington says
eddie: First of all, you have no proof that Officer Derek Chauvin harbors antipathy to blacks per se. Perhaps he does, but perhaps he would have done the same to a white person as he did to Floyd. Verdict still out here.
In no way do I mean to exculpate Chauvin. I only am indicating that you have no proof he did to Floyd what he did (which of course he should not have) because Floyd was black. And, btw, on a tangential note, and per FBI statistics, are you aware that an American policeman is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a young black American male than the other way around? For instance, what happened to Officer Dorn, himself black, shot to death by a 24-year old black man just some ten days ago.
Second, it is your right to aver that Trump is “vermin” but, per his many executive orders before Covid-19 hit, he insured that black Americans had the lowest rate of unemployment in American history. Obama put additional millions of blacks on food stamps; Trump put millions of blacks back to work. Really think Obama is the wiser and more decent here?
Third, Obama “held a bible” too when for years he was a member of Jeremiah Wright’s church, which church under Wright’s tenure asserted that America deserved 9/11 and that America should be damned. No church Trump has attended has engaged in such rot. Have you nothing to say about Obama quite unconvincingly back in 2008 stating that he knew nothing of what Wright often stated? Just wondering, eddie.
Kepha says
Wellington, you forget that a liberal has the ability to read the minds and hearts of other people–even when he might be utterly blind to what goes on inside his own.
Terry Gain says
Crime statistics do not support the narrative being spread by Black Lives Matter. It is false. Blacks kill more whites than vice versa. The killings of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were justified. Barack Obama betrayed America by using these self defence killings to gin up racial resentment. Not only is Obama the most overrated person in history, he was a worse than useless President.
Whether Chauvin is a racist or not is really beside the point. First and foremost, he is an idiot. His lawyer should plead mental incapacity. Two of the four cops involved in the horrendous murder of George Floyd are not white.
gravenimage says
“eddie” wrote:
It must be terrible to live in a ‘shithole’ country like America.
We have blacks and whites protesting, but the blacks won’t be choked to death or shot in the back by Officer ‘Nigger Hater’.
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Actually, issues in the UK are quite similar to those in the US:
“Looking within the minority breakdown — the figures show that black deaths (excluding other minorities) on their own were overrepresented in the number of deaths in police custody compared to the national demographic.”…
https://abcnews.go.com/International/british-black-deaths-police-custody-compare-us/story?id=71054650
More:
Over here in Britain, our leaders are not like the vermin in the White House who likes to hold a Bible.
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So as “eddie” would have it liking to hold a Bible makes one “vermin”? *Very telling*.
But Boris Johnson not long ago quoted the Bible:
“Boris Johnson and the Divisive Bible”
https://www.stmarys.ac.uk/blog/theology/boris-johnson-and-the-divisive-bible.aspx
I suppose this makes the British PM pretty ‘verminous’ himself…
And previous British PM Theresa May read the Bible in public here:
“Theresa May reads Micah “Out of Zion” Scripture at 75th D-Day ceremony in France”
https://www.cufi.org.uk/news/theresa-may-reads-micah-out-of-zion-scripture-at-75th-d-day-ceremony-in-france/
There are other examples–Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, and Margaret Thatcher cited the Bible quite frequently.
All quite ‘verminous’, I suppose…
More:
By the way, I hate the Jihad (that’s for gravenimage).
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Is that so? Anything in particular? There are stories just today on Jihad Watch about Jihadists taking over part of Germany and declaring it a Shari’ah zone, about Jihadists slaughtering a policeman and soldier in Nigeria, about Jihadists in Pakistan attacking a church and threatening Christians–“eddie” has not, of course, said anything critical of any of this Jihad savagery.
Note also “eddie’s” admission that he would not have mentioned anything even this generic if posters here, including myself, were not calling him on his notable lack of condemnation of the horrors of Jihad.
Wellington says
+1
Rarely says
Just the usual garbage – find someone else to blame the troubles on. Use your imagination. Next week it will be the Jews and the week after that the bicycle riders. But it will NEVER be the muslims. That way a set of solutions can never be found.
It is understandable that given the current turmoil caused by Covid-19 and the insecurity, frayed nerves and fears it has brought on that various wrongs, previously overlooked or swept under the carpet, get a new found impetus. The deplorable murder of George Floyd opened the flood gates.
It’s hard to understand how a statue of Christopher Columbus can be offensive except to those who have no knowledge of history whatsoever or just out to vandalize.
I certainly hope that the U.S. will move on to better things without things getting any worse. Since I live in Canada and being distanced from the problems I can’t honestly have much of an opinion. I try to get a balance by watching both CNN and Fox News and they are so far apart it’s hard to imagine the finding of a common ground. Hopefully saner heads will prevail.
Janice Mermikli says
How about the Jews who are also bicycle riders? I expect they will have to be extra careful.
(only kidding!)
Rarely says
Double trouble.
Walter Sieruk says
That imam is just exposing his own ignorance when said the fool statement.
A Gnostic Agnostic says
House of Islam scapegoating its own crimes onto Christianity.
The entire religion of Islam is rooted in scapegoating
their own crimes against humanity onto whoever they hate.
Islam is responsible for these riots because they actively incite hatred
such to use dumbass Americans to destroy their own country.
TomSJr says
AND, who is to blame for the MURDERING OF INNOCENT INFIDELS who refuse to accept ISLAM as their ideology? IF GOD PROVIDES ALL MANKIND WITH FREE WILL TO CHOOSE, then why would he murder you if you choose to continue being FREE by not accepting ISLAM? MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO ME.
EVIL ISLAM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE DEATHS THAN ANY DISEASE OR RELIGION. BESIDES, ISLAM is an ideology, not a religion.
Michael Copeland says
“[Jesus] – that’s their god, as they claim – he was killed. But he was not killed for a bad reason, he was killed for your sins. …..”
It sounds as if the imam is denying the Koran, a capital offence in Islam.
The Koran expressly states that Jesus did not die, “they did not kill him”, 4:157.
gravenimage says
Good point, Michael.
Orthodox Muslims claim that Jesus (“Isa”) was not killed and did not die, but they also often taunt Christians with being weak for following a God who died. Muslims don’t care about consistency, and will never miss a chance to denigrate Infidels.
Kepha says
They also miss the point that Jesus rose from the dead on the third day, while Muhammad still rests in the dust of Medina, awaiting the Day of Judgment with the rest.
gravenimage says
Even Muslims say that Jesus (“Isa”) was lifted bodily to heaven.
gravenimage says
U.S. Imam and U.K. Academic Agree: Christianity Is to Blame for the Riots and Destruction
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What absolute crap–where are rioters saying they are acting in the name of Christianity?
And it is *Muslims* calling for more violence:
“Philadelphia: Muslim cleric says demonstrations are useless, fighting and bloodshed are needed”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/06/philadelphia-muslim-cleric-says-demonstrations-are-useless-fighting-and-bloodshed-are-needed
Moreover, Christianity does not call for violence to spread its faith–would that we could say the same about Islam.
Kepha says
The rioters are political Leftists who’ve thrown the door wide open to Islam in the USA and elsewhere. As for Tom Holland and his ilk, he’s one of those who has cheapened higher edcation in the Western world,
gravenimage says
True, Kepha.
tim gallagher says
The content of Christianity is very peaceful, certainly when compared with violent islam, so these two men are talking absolute garbage when they try to put the blame for this violence on Christianity. I doubt whether there would be many Christians involved in these riots. If anything, Christianity can maybe make some people too pacifist in their thinking and they tend to think that they have to act like doormats and constantly turn the other cheek. However, fortunately, when they really need to do so, Christian nations will fire up and go to war, such as when our western nations defeated Hitler and the Japanese in World War II. I think most of these rioters, who are acting so violently, would be far left Marxist and anarchist types who would be non-believers in any concept of God, and maybe Muslims joining in because they always seek to do damage to the western countries.
Tim Heydon says
Holland’s views are a classic piece of over intellectualising and by going to an extreme, missing the truth,
tim gallagher says
I think you are right, Tim. I believe you would have to really twist the truth about Christianity’s nature to find a way to say that it is responsible for the violence. I think some of these people’s sheer hatred of Christianity, and maybe of western civilisation in general, makes them twist things to an extreme degree to suit their, as you say, “extreme” view of the way things are. They miss the more straightforward truth through their over intellectualising. I find the views of such people worthless and totally unreliable. But, hey, I guess they’d see my view of things in the same way. This guy’s view of things and mine are chalk and cheese.
gravenimage says
Also note that graffiti on the statue of Churchill excoriating him as a racist.
Whatever Churchill’s views on race, the tacit implication is that things would have been better if the genocidal racist and antisemite Adolf Hitler was allowed to have his way in Britain and Europe.
How can any sane person believe this?
Janice Mermikli says
Everybody, even the greatest of individuals, has their flaws. Winston Churchill, one of the greatest statesmen of all time, who gave courage and determination to the people of Britain at a dark and troublng time of our history, was one ot these – a great man, but a man of his era, with the flaws and foibles of mankind generally. Racism was not one of his flaws.
He steered Britain through the war years and was instrumental in the eventual allied victory. The now vanishingly small numbers who still remember World War II testify to the vital role which Churchill (along with King George VI, who refused to leave London even during the Blitz) played in the eventual victory.
Can we stop with the ill-informed, ill-educated identity politics which often passes for “news” these days? People are losing their objectivity and their perspective as they divide into hostile and mutually exclusive tribes and camps. In this way, the sense of shared history and heritage is lost.
gravenimage says
Absolutely agree, Janice. My mother and aunt both served in the British Army as young women during WWII, and went through the Blitz. They talked about how Churchill was an inspiration and a rock.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage says,
“How can any sane person believe this?”
You are, of course, 100% correct.
Unfortunately, we are actually living in a world that is becoming more and more insane.
The use of factual evidence-based logic no longer seems to matter to a very large percent of the world’s population.
You and I, and many other intelligent and informed Jihad Watch posters here, are becoming increasingly irrelevant to the world in general. I sometimes wonder if I should even continue to take the significant amount of time to post regularly on this website.
My apologies if I sound pessimistic about the world’s future – but I believe that it is factual and evidence-based.
gravenimage says
All too true, James.
libertyORdeath says
I guess repentance via the killing of infidels is much more reasonable than through confession and reflection.
gravenimage says
Spot on comment, libertyORdeath. The main way for Muslims to atone for their sins is to die while slaughtering Infidels in Jihad terror.
SAFI says
I personally don’t think Tom Holland is entirely onto nothing here. Yes, RS assertion is correct , Marxists did always persecute Christianity whenever they got the chance (well not exactly “always”… in some cases they just tried to co-opt it, see “liberation theology”) … but then again I remember that christians also had been persecuting and killing Jews(as well as pagans and heretics) throughout the middle ages and even into the ‘modern’ era, even though Christianity itself started out as a jewish sect… That’s history for ya…. weird and full of ironies and seeming ‘contradictions’…
gravenimage says
Whenever you have to go back centuries to find examples, this is usually a sign that the issue is not still valid today.
Valkyrie Ziege says
; All the business targeted with looting, burning, and continuing to be targeted with extortion/Jizya tax, are owned by Christians, plus all the statues being torn-down are Christians. Any business owned by Muhammadans, and any Mosques, weren’t touched. Similar to the Muhammadan’s genocide of the Christian Armenians.
Let that sink in.
gravenimage says
Not *all* the businesses are owned by Christians, Valkyrie–most looters are not doing that kind of research before rioting. But certainly, a large number of them have been Christian-owned.
mortimer says
Has Tom Holland lost it? So it seems. It was Christians of the UK whose influence brought the end of slavery in the British Empire in 1838. It was Christian politicians of the UK who sent the Royal Navy to destroy slave merchants around the world eventually ending the Islamic maritime slave trade.
It is the height of hypocrisy and deception for a Muslim to claim that Islam opposes slavery, when in fact, a large part of Sharia law concerns the codification of slavery.
There are many dozens of hadiths and comments by leading Islamic religious scholars that are blatantly racist.
SAFI says
Except that Holland quite clearly never blamed Christianity for slavery nor did he ever claim that Islam opposes slavery, so what on earth are you on about here? You probably misread the article in a hurry, if you read it at all before commenting.
SAFI says
Instead what Holland accuses the “legacy of christianity” of, as far as I can understand from Spencer’s article, since I did not listen to Holland myself, is for indirectly contributing to the ideology of the leftist zealots who are currently running around destroying the idols of alleged 13th-19th century “white supremacists”
SAFI says
Instead what Holland accuses the “legacy of christianity” of, as far as I can understand from Spencer’s article, since I did not listen to Holland myself, is for indirectly contributing to the ideology that motivates the leftist zealots who are currently running around destroying the idols of alleged 13th-19th century “white supremacists”
SAFI says
the “white supremacists” in this case are people retroactively accused of blaspheming against the presently prevailing morals of 2020 politically correct leftist orthodoxy… a few centuries ago… (hahaha little did they know)
E T says
Eddie, when you speak of a “shithole”country look at The UK, read the Jay Report, the fact that over 1400 very young girls -11 to 14 were groomed, raped and forced into sexual slavery. The victims, primarily white girls, and the rapists and pimps were primarily Pakistani, MUSLIM men. How did the Muslim community react to the Jay report, they called for a boycott of any cooperation with the police.
How many other reports have there been over the years, how many disgraceful politicians, social workers, and police turned a blind eye to the thousands of children who have been horrifically abused in the name of diversity?
You and your kind make me sick and I hope you are all sent straight to the hellfires for eternity.
gravenimage says
“eddie” has never condemned the rape of Infidel girls by Muslims.
E T says
I long for the day when Nihad Awad, the head hood of CAIR / the Muslim Brotherhood hoods, is publicly asked his opinion of the Jay Report and the Muslim Community of Rotherham. Why are the Muslim the victims and just how the hell did Muslim men raping VERY young girls make them the victims?
Let’s see how Mr. Slick answers, after all it was the CAIR members, as far back as 2008 who agreed,
“ It is very important, media in the U.S. is very gullible. OK? And we will see if you have something, ESPECIALLY AS A MUSLIM, if you have something to say they’ll come running to you and take advantage of that”.
Why not have ALL the networks host” A Shari’ah evening with Nihad Awad”? Robert Spencer will question him, so for once and for all the West can finally understand just who the real victims are.
E T says
Eddie, I have seen no signs in your “shithole” country saying “Little white girls lives matter”. Shame on ALL who have stood by and allowed the barbarians to do this to the children. Where are all the adults?
Stephen says
I knew, given enough time, the hate-filled Labour Party members would want Sir Churchill statue taken down proclaiming he was a hate monger. However, what the muslims don’t want people to know is, islam supported the Nazis during WWII. Why? Because both despise the Jews. This is not to overlook Hitler flying muslims in from Morocco to Spain to help General Franco Francisco win the Spanish Civil War during the 1930s