My latest in PJ Media:
The murder of George Floyd, as everyone knows, was only a pretext for the riots that have now taken several lives and caused billions of dollars in property damage. Their seeds were planted decades ago. And now the question before us, if we wish to preserve the United States as a free society, is what must be done to address the deeply rooted problems that got us into this fix in the first place.
No, I don’t mean “systemic racism” or any of the other Leftist talking points making the media rounds these days. As many have noted, Americans fought a civil war to end slavery and have a longer, fuller record of legally fighting racism than virtually any other country in the world. “White privilege” is a Leftist myth designed to sow distrust and division, as well as shame at the nation’s culture and heritage.
But there are deep systemic problems. One is the Left’s long march through the institutions, which began in the 1960s and has ended in total victory: The Left controls the establishment media, the educational system, the corporate culture, the entertainment industry, and more. Richard Nixon was complaining about the biased press coverage of his campaign for Governor of California in 1962 when he said “You won’t have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore,” but the propaganda machine that did him in was just in its infancy then.
Now, decades later, no one bats an eye when Democratic Party operatives such as George Stephanopoulos and Donna Brazile, and a host of others, go into the “news” business. It is taken for granted that every reporter for every major publication, every one, is a hard-Left ideologue.
This has consequences far beyond simply giving only one side of the story and doing everything possible to make President Trump look as bad as possible. Government and law enforcement officials at all levels today have no problem appearing at functions of groups such as the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which the media consistently portrays as a “civil rights” organization when its agenda is in fact deeply subversive.
But they would never be caught dead at a conference of a group opposed to jihad violence and Sharia oppression of women, and if they did have the temerity to show up at such a gathering, they would have to answer to a hysterical media lynch mob enraged at their appearing at a meeting of a “hate group.”
And that’s just one very small aspect of the problem. The Leftist stranglehold on the educational system is another. Our children have been taught to hate the land of their birth. Who didn’t think this would bear bitter fruit? There was some indignation among conservatives over the 1619 Project, which portrays the entire American enterprise as racist, oppressive, and hateful, winning the Pulitzer Prize, but that was just the culmination of decades of miseducation and propaganda disguised as education.
There is much more. Read the rest here.
RichardL says
I am an immigrant in this country and my heart breaks at the insanity we are seeing. America is the least racist country I have ever lived in. My wife is African and we love going to gun bashs – all those gun-toting bitter clingers around us are the salt of the earth. And those lefties in our neighbourhood are so tragically confused. If Trump is not elected the shining city on the hill will be burned to the ground by emotivist idiots.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that acccount, Richard.
eddie says
gravenimage:
On another link you called me a liar for saying the Protestant Reformer Martin Luther had witches burned at the stake.
Luther had 4 witches burned alive in Wittenberg on June 29, 1540.
The most revered Protestant Christian was convinced scripture advocated killing witches.
In the 18th century, the founder of Methodism John Wesley lamented the end of the witch-craze by saying that “it’s the end of biblical Christianity” (His Journal).
Perhaps you know more about biblical theology than Luther and Wesley?
Wellington says
So what, eddie?
Here’s the bigger picture which you miss: There is nothing in the Christian theological blueprint which calls for killing anyone who disagrees, criticizes or mocks Christianity. But there is a ton of shit in the Islamic theological blueprint which demands that death or severe bodily harm is required for those who disagree, criticize or mock Islam.
As examples, Sura 4:89 in the Koran demands death for apostasy. Nowhere does the Christian theological blueprint in the New Testament demand death for apostasy. Also, every major Islamic school of theology to this very day, Sunni or Shiite, for instance the four major Sunni schools—the Hanafi, Shafi, Hanbali, and Maliki—require death for mocking Mohammed, the Koran or Islam. No Christian sect requires anything like this.
Over 37,000 Islamic documented terrorist attacks just since 9/11 and how many Christian terrorist attacks in the same time period, eddie?
And remember, I am not religious in the least, but your bringing up Christian wrongdoing is rooted in stupidity, pettiness and, worst of all, moral equivalency reasoning. But in the meantime, eddie, do make sure you watch out for those Presbyterian suicide bombers. They may be coming for you this very minute as I write this. Oh yeah, snowflake, be on your guard.
gravenimage says
Actually, after “eddie” claimed that Martin Luther burned “heretics” to death, I pointed out that Luther argued that burning heretics was “against the will of the Holy Spirit”.
gravenimage says
I found my post from that other thread that proves what I said:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/06/mali-muslims-murder-27-burn-some-alive-in-jihad-attacks-on-predominantly-christian-villages#comment-2244274
Wellington says
So, gravenimage. eddie just outright lied about what you stated. Why am I not surprised?
All there for others to see and read. It’s eddie’s true worth on display.
Martin says
Police officers wash the feet of Black faith leaders and beg for forgiveness in Cary, NC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ZdAIPJ9RM
gravenimage says
*Good lord*–this kind of abasement is just sickening.
revereridesagain says
I kneel to no one not of my own choosing and it will be a cold day in hell before I kneel to a gang of racist Marxists demanding my obedience to their manifesto and confession to an unearned guilt.
Lt. Robert Polans USMC, Special OPS., ret. says
The only one I’d kneel to is Jesus Christ and as he is not here do not expect me to kneel anytime soon. My 50 years as a combat marine taught me well, how to handle mindless animals. And these have a dirty secret, antifa’s leaders are all WHITE MEN!
Wellington says
Thank you for your service, Lt. Robert Polans, and thank you too for that trenchant observation about the composition of Antifa’s leaders.
DazzleMe says
I agree gravenimage, sickeningat the very least!
underbed cat says
They converted prehaps? A black priest representing who? No shower nearby, so O.K. they want to show humbleness during covid-19, and show respect…..for the next call for help and treat the suspect as if there is no threat. Then the preist could wash their feet and all is good, with justice for all.
Peter WF says
Those in law enforcement should expect not to make everybody happy. That is what law enforcement is.
Pathetic.
Martin says
Nancy Pelosi Kneeling In Honor Of George Floyd
Pelosi, Schumer and top Democrats kneeling for 8 minutes and 46 seconds to honor George Floyd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N28GltabdHg
gravenimage says
“Taking the knee” is specifically about showing disdain for the national anthem and the American flag and everything it stands for.
Nancy Pelosi draping herself in Kente cloth is especially ludicrous, as well.
Wellington says
It is truly reaching maudlin proportions, gravenimage, as well as a massive disrespect aspect, and I hope this will serve as evidence long term of just how terribly wrong it has been to laud a man who should not have died the way he did but who was a thug and in no way a role model.
Stupid world—somehow, I know not why (yes I do and am only kidding)—Nancy Pelosi comes to mind. In microcosm she represents what is so wrong with modern times, rather as someone else who has reached the highest level of power—Pope Francis.
When a civilization’s leaders are fools, that civilization is in big trouble. Western Civilization right now has a veritable plethora of fools in leadership positions, including some extremely wealthy ones in Silicon Valley.
Martin says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLIVlNB0En4
Nate Greene says
I kneel to Jesus Christ only.
The lack of courage at all levels in this country is pervasive and beyond sickening.
CogitoErgoSum says
We were once a nation that looked forward to the future. Now we dwell on the injustices of the past and whine about them and try to fix them by creating new injustices. It took a couple of generations to get to this low point. It’s going to take a couple more to get out of this hole. I agree with you, Robert, fixing our educational system is key.
Westman says
Because they are not grounded in a, “Purpose For Life”, the Left are grasping to invent their own.
The “radicals” of the late 1960s, jettisoning the old order, thought they would destroy Capitalism and then became the most aggressive capitalists in history. Steven Jobs is a shining example.
Too many of our citizens have become “rootless” consumers looking for a purpose who, as my father once said, “Have done it all”, before marriage and are sated with excess. It seems that his observation was correct. The typical US child has good clothes, too much to eat, a personal cell phone, computer, gaming console, never done hard work, their own automobile by age 20 if not 18, and likely sex without any thought, except avoidance, of conceiving children. The EU is far ahead in this, “no children”, night-life scenario where 40 year-olds still live with parents.
The Left is desperately trying to be part of something that matters. And, yes, they have been indoctrinated by others, often educators, who are also rootless; selling their pet causes. Barak Obama undermined the US youth as much as the education system with his badmouthing of the US. The actions of the Left have seiously damaged minorities with the, racism of low expectations.
When the US emerged from WWII, it had a sense of survival and a foundation for life that willingly revolved around responsibilities of family and nation. It only took the next generation to seriously begin undermining it.
Many of todays young women SJW Leftist protesters will soon be removed from the streets by their own behavior when pregnancy comes calling, while most of the SJW males will continue to be irresponsible and self-centered concerning family matters.
I would like to be more optimistic, however, not even the threat of Covid-19 is enough to to cause the Leftists to establish a solid foundation or act rationally. I think it will take a national fight for survival, with a significant loss of their relatives, to restore reality and a foundation to the Left.
James Lincoln says
Westman,
You hit a homerun with your post – my compliments. I even copied it into a Word file to be shared with others – with due credit to “Westman.”
Interestingly, against all odds, there are still “20 somethings” and “30 somethings”, etc., who still – surprisingly – share traditional American values. I have served alongside them in the US military and in other situations such as hospitals and clinics.
They are, however, in the minority…
Wellington says
Echoing James Lincoln, Westman, your comment is excellent. Even aberrational ideologies try to provide purpose, the damn trouble with them is that they provide the wrong purpose or purposes. You have this with Nazism, Marxism, certainly Islam and now Leftism, which evolved out of traditional liberalism, which itself was not aberrational.
A good and solid religion can certainly add purpose to life and even though I am not religious I applaud such religions as Christianity and Judaism for doing so. A sound humanistic ethical system (e.g., Aristotle’s) can also add proper purpose to life but I do believe that this works only for a minority of individuals.
Leftism is fundamentally flawed because it substitutes bogus purposes like extreme environmentalism and racial resentment against whites that are excessively flawed and rooted in error from the outset.
In any case, compliments to you for your comment. It points at the heart of the matter, i.e., within Leftism is a vast emptiness filled with fallacious strivings for purpose and which themselves are not backed up by history, science, or any accurate knowledge base.
Kesselman says
I agree wholeheartedly. Those in the generation who are fellow travelers will regret it bitterly in a few years. These Millenials and those younger conscripted to communist ideas will turn vicious when their time arrives.
gravenimage says
All true, Westman.
Prebangianii says
Jesus washed his disciples feet to show his love and to emphasize that they must serve others. I don’t think there was any apology. I don’t see the need to apologize, the “liturgy” seems to be an exercise in humiliating the police.
gravenimage says
Yes–this is a twisting of Christianity–it is clearly just intended to humiliate. Notice the “moderators” in the red shirts pushing the police around.
Kay says
Agreed. It’s twisted. There is one who specializes in twisting Scripture.
Also Jesus encouraged the disciples to care for each other; not a one way activity.
Police do serve society— in many ways. But they aren’t podiatrists or nail technicians.
Sunny says
Its a form of subjagation pure and simple.It shows the Islamic roots running through it.
tim gallagher says
This same pattern seems to be happening in all western nations. It is surely the result of the successful march of the left through all the institutions, with left wingers taking over school teaching, the universities and the media. In Australia, we had a good Prime Minister, John Howard, from 1996 to around 2006, and he called the attitude of the left wing historians, academics, media, etc, a “black armband” view of our history and our current societies, where they always put our societies down as having been evil, etc. He meant that these lefties get around like people who wear a black armband on their upper arm (like footballers and such people do) to indicate that they are mourning someone’s death (maybe a former coach or player). The left seem to be winning the culture wars these days. Maybe there will be a fightback against their whingeing, whining crap one day soon. I think most people should have had enough of their self loathing, lying bullshit by now.
gravenimage says
True, Tim–it is one thing to look at your society and history with a clear eye and work on problems and shortcomings; it is something else again to wear a hairshirt and take on unearned guilt for things you did not do.
It is also ludicrous to endlessly excoriate your society for things that we actually do better than most places.
Gustave Flaubert wisely said, “our ignorance of history causes us to slander our own times”.
tim gallagher says
Thanks, gravenimage. As you say, our societies do things better than most other societies. That’s what I believe is clearly true. So many other types of societies, Muslim or Marxist type regimes, are appalling places compared to our societies. The type of societies these left wing ignoramuses would want to establish would be far, far worse than the societies we have now. A lot of these leftie destroyers seem like very ignorant and very nasty people to me. That’s a good quote from Flaubert. I think many of these left wing haters of our way of life and potential destroyers of our societies seem to have no knowledge of history at all and so they “slander” our types of societies without seeming to know how disgusting many other societies are. The left wing ignoramuses, in the education system and media, brainwash a lot of young people to hate their own societies. It’s a big problem.
James Lincoln says
tim gallagher says,
“The left wing ignoramuses, in the education system and media, brainwash a lot of young people to hate their own societies. It’s a big problem.”
Unfortunately, the understatement of the week, tim…
tim gallagher says
What strikes me all the time, James, is how similar the situation is in all our western countries. Plenty of people don’t buy this bullshit, but there seem to be so many people who seem to get around with this constant attitude of guilt about what our western societies have supposedly done wrong. Whether it is the USA, western Europe or Australia, there seems to be this same attitude. Out here in Australia, several conservative commentators fight against this attitude. Andrew Bolt, who I find is a sensible and brave commentator, often makes the point that, if people here are to stop buying this self-loathing attitude, it will need our schoolteachers to stop brainwashing their students with this constant hatred for our supposedly terrible history. I don’t buy much of this rubbish and I just think that, compared to most other societies (whether Muslim or left wing totalitarian) our societies are bloody good places in which to live. I keep hoping more people will wake up when it comes to all this negativity about our societies.
gravenimage says
So true, Tim and James.
carpediadem says
Tim, John Howard chose to defund the technical schools and thus overcrowd the universities with wannabe nincompoops and starve Australia of people with technical skills.
he did some good stuff I suppose but this one rankles in its utter stupidity.
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comment, carpediadem. I don’t remember that action being taken by John Howard. I liked his “black armband” statement. He was a bit soft and politically correct for my liking, but was better than most of our Australian politicians. Of course, to my mind, his worst mistake was when he persuaded that leftie piece of crap (who belonged in the Labor Party), Malcolm Turnbull, to stick around in the Liberal Party when Turnbull was going to quit politics. This was an appalling mistake. I recall how Howard used to say that the Liberal Party is a “broad church” and I used to think, yeah, but this broad church is filling up with too many left wingers, who don’t belong in the party at all. I thought Howard was a pretty good Prime Minister despite his faults.
James Lincoln says
According to Robert Spencer’s excellent feature article:
“The Left controls the establishment media, the educational system, the corporate culture, the entertainment industry, and more.”
And may add all of the major social media platforms.
Lately, I feel that the United States of America is hanging by a thread. If the Democrats win the White House in this year’s election, the United States will likely follow path of Western Europe – a slow death.
Countries that have prospered for centuries can be torn down in decades.
I fear for the future – and feel that people like me no longer fit in. After all, I share most of the same values as Pres. Trump. If my extended family knew this, they would disown me.
Wellington says
Seconded, James.
Helping to confirm your specific contention that even a great polity can be torn down within a short period of time, I would reference the Early Roman Empire during the Five Great Emperors, as they are commonly called by historians, to wit, Nerva (96-98 AD), Trajan (98-117), Hadrian (117-138), Antoninus Pius (138-161) and Marcus Aurelius (161-180). Rome under their rule functioned optimally, mostly fairly, prosperously, etc. And yet within decades, certainly no more than a half century or so, Rome was plunged into all kinds of darkness—political, economic, social, medical, et al. The time of the Barrack Emperors and all that.
All of which tends to confirm that even the finest of political constructions can descend into chaos within a very short period of time. I fear that your fear is only too close to reality in our era. Second-century Rome and its aftermath only confirms your pessimism and in no way refutes it.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
Interestingly, I was actually hoping that you had disagreed with my post – and gave me all the reasons why I was wrong.
It’s been a rough week, I think I’ll pour an extra mug of Sam Adams IPA and open up a fresh box of goldfish crackers.
And watch “Double Indemnity” (1944). I like the part where the car almost doesn’t start, right when they needed to get away…
mccode says
Harry Truman said, “Any jackass can kick down a barn”.
We’re seeing it happen before our eyes.
And the symbol of the DemoCraps is a ……….?
gravenimage says
Great quote, mccode–and this from a Democrat, decades before they generally lost their minds.
Rufolino says
Western Civilisation hangs by a thread.
Who could have foreseen that an advanced civilisation such as Germany could devolve within a few years into a catastrophic barbarism more terrible than almost anything in recorded history ?
People comfort themselves with the assumption that it was a catastrophe unique to Germany. This is a dangerous assumption..
James Lincoln says
Rufolino,
A catastrophe definitely NOT unique to Germany – could happen to any Western country – including the United States of America…
Sunny says
You are generous.Decades how about months.Look around you watch Tv.Still think it will take decades not a chance try months.
OTTER says
As an Immigrant who loves this country, like the country I came from, I fear the worst.
There is an undeclared Civil War in which all the instruments of power are actually owned by the left. Incredibly, the left believes it is an instrument of love while actually being an instrument of hate.
There is nothing even remotely approaching the level of hypocrisy in the left of them which causes them to detest us on the right. They are beyond reason, facts and logic. There is nothing they will not do to prevent the re-election of Donald Trump, which is why is must win in 2020.
James Lincoln says
OTTER says,
“There is nothing even remotely approaching the level of hypocrisy in the left of them which causes them to detest us on the right. They are beyond reason, facts and logic.”
Exactly!
They will not even engage in a spirited discussion…
Walter Sieruk says
As about the title of this article .Which is “What’s to be done about the left’s Anti- Americanism” is good question for an essay heading
In fact, that’s a very good question. The answer isn’t easy to find. For example many people of the left- wing, sadly, aren’t of the rational mentally that they can be reasoned with
Nevertheless , the words of wisdom of the former US President ,Theodore Roosevelt might apply to this topic
For in a speech this former President declared “There can be no fifty- fifty Americanism in this country. There is room here for only one hundred percent Americanism, only for those who are American and nothing else.”
gravenimage says
What Is To Be Done About the Left’s Anti-Americanism?
……………….
Important article from Robert Spencer.
I think this needs to be called out at every turn.
But the stakes are high for those who do say anything. Conservative African American Candace Owens was deplatformed from GoFundMe for daring to say that while George Floyd should not have died that his being upheld as a model of behavior and a martyr is wrong, and Saints quarterback Drew Brees is being raked over the coals for telling a reporter that he “will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States”. Brees was forced to apologize.
This last *should* be mainstream sentiment, but it has caused a firestorm of largely fake outrage. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is grovelling and abasing himself to BLM.
And the two cases above are, of course, just the tip of the iceberg.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
100% correct.
I watched, and posted, the video by Candace Owens which told the truth about George Floyd’s criminal history. She emphasized repeatedly that the police were grossly negligent – and committed high crimes. But it didn’t matter.
I was appalled when Saints quarterback Drew Brees walked back his brave statements. Probably afraid to lose millions.
And NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is an absolute disgrace.
By the way, I used to enjoy an NFL game – no longer.
Wellington says
With you completely here, James, on all you wrote—from Candace Owens (impressive and intrepid young lady) to what you opined about the NFL.
As my brother wrote to me just last week (and he has been an even bigger NFL fan than me, both of us long-time Steelers fans as were our father and grandfather), he is done with the NFL. So am I. So do I think are millions.
Leftism ruins everything—education, race relations, gender, bathrooms, late-night comedy, pronouns, the Constitution, the law, the flag, patriotism, the Boy Scouts, the Democratic Party, religion and now the NFL. I’m left only with the Three Stooges—but give the Left time, they’ll figure out a way to ruin Moe, Larry and Curly too.
James Lincoln says
Wellington says,
“Leftism ruins everything…I’m left only with the Three Stooges—but give the Left time, they’ll figure out a way to ruin Moe, Larry and Curly too.”
You accurately predicted, with amazing prescience, what is already happening. Two recent cases in point:
1. Elmer Fudd will not use a gun in any new Looney Tunes episodes.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/looney-tunes-no-guns-elmer-fudd-bugs-bunny-cartoons
2. Netflix has issued a PG warning regarding “violence” on the old black and white Andy Griffith shows. Apparently Barney roughs up Otis a little too much, or accidentally shoots the floor with his one bullet.
I’m not kidding, I wish that I were.
Wellington, the world is going nuts…
tgusa says
Democrats believe that the best way to fight democrat racism and democrat police brutality in democrat run cities is to label all Americans as racists. It is the democrat party that has a racism problem. The democrat party has a diverse coalition of competing racist groups. By calling all of America racists the democrats are trying to distract us from their historic and persistent racism. It is democrats trying to be fair and balanced in their blame game but it is an internal problem within the democrat party.
Non democrats have no dog in this fight but they are trying to drag us in nevertheless. Show your support and reject racism by rejecting democrats.
Democrats also have a bigotry problem but that’s a whole other story that needs to be told. Democrats are united in hate and they have all the bases covered. They are anti American because they are not Americans.
Sunny says
Yeah going back to the civil war. The democrats gave us the Critteden/om amendment. It didn’t pass but they brought it to us none the less.Tell that to Black Lives Matter.See what their reaction to the democrats are?
Ps Cant remember it the spelling en or om sorry
jewdog says
Often when I log into aol.com for my email I see a selection of articles that they’ve extracted from various publications. Many of them deal with exposes of racism in American history and culture. I don’t ever recall seeing a single article criticizing or even analyzing Islamic ideology, ever. And this is today’s intellectual orthodoxy, a kind of studied ignorance of one of the elephants in the room.
gravenimage says
I am not surprised, jewdog.
Rob R (Brit stuck in Britainistan) says
Yeah dude, it’s a total brain disease, way worse than COVID and been around a lot longer.
john mosbrook says
The 2020 elections should solve the problem. I expect the left will be destroyed by the election results.
Wellington says
I certainly hope so. The Left is the cancer within Western societies and Islam is the cancer without (which is slowly making its way within allied to the cancer that is already within). The 2020 elections in America are momentous not only for America but for all the West.
Tony Naim says
And they say, according to The moral relativism Of the left ,that evil does not exist. Oh my, the devil is alive and thriving. Convincing people that good is evil and that evil is good.!!!!!!!!!
The present insurrection In America is the product of 2 minds: one is a snake, embodied by Nancy Pelosi , the other is a scorpion, represented by Chuck Schumer.
These 2 individuals have created the preconditions for what is going on today.
They would do anything to bring down President Trump. The American president who brought our country to The highest point in its history.
There is as much racism in America as much as there is water on the moon.
America is the envy of the world, as much as President Trump is the envy of the snake and scorpion named above.No where on this planet Can anyone find as much freedom, opportunity and hope than in America.
God bless America, God preserve President Trump and May God empower Him to continue his struggle with a second term in office.
This is my opinion,The simple, humble opinion of an immigrant !
Wellington says
Seconded. I would add that the person who did the most harm to America was Barack Obama. He stoked racial resentment, continually indicated that America was the problem in the world, exculpated the worst religion of all time, Islam, used the federal government against his enemies (e.g., the IRS going after conservative groups) and he also orchestrated the attempted coup to demolish the incoming President. He was wretched and his horrible legacy lives on.
tgusa says
The eventual horrible legacy of obama will be that the first black American President was born of a foreign Dad from Africa and his American citizen Mom. The first black President in America should have been a legitimate black American. But that cannot be taken back, horrible legacy indeed.
James Lincoln says
Wellington says,
“I would add that the person who did the most harm to America was Barack Obama…”
I am in full agreement, for the reasons that you have listed.
Pres. George W. Bush was terrible but more because of profound ignorance – he was not anti-American.
President Barack Obama was actually anti-American…
DazzleMe says
+1 Wellington
DazzleMe says
You said it well Tony, it is right on!
Tom W Harris says
“What Is To Be Done About the Left’s Anti-Americanism?”
Get yerself off the drugs, and you’ll find out there is no left. It’s all Big Business – you’ve fallen for the left-right con.
gravenimage says
So Tom W Harris is saying that one only perceives the far Left as frequently Anti-American–which they themselves openly proclaim *all the time*–if they are ‘on drugs’? How does that work?
Dano says
I don’t agree with the author calling Floyd’s death a murder. He had a history of: Coronary Artery Disease, advanced arteriosclerosis, high blood pressure, was on Fentanyl, had evidence of recent methamphetamine use and was positive for COVID-19. He was a walking corpse. Contrary to media accounts, he resisted arrest and was fighting with police. I’m pretty sure that if the media and certain other groups weren’t fanning the flames, or if he was White, there would be nothing that came of this event and the medical examiners in the case would have concluded that the cause of death (not murder) was a heart attack. When there is so much money and the potential for more violence riding on their decision, they will change their findings to more favorable ones.
James Lincoln says
Dano,
Yes, from a medical point of view George Floyd had multiple medical problems, i.e., comorbidities. If he had been young and healthy, it is likely that he would not have died as a result of the police actions.
That being said, George Floyd could have been eventually restrained in a less aggressive fashion as there were multiple police officers there to assist.
In a legal sense, and perhaps a Jihad Watch attorney can weigh in, the actions by the police officer became the “proximate cause” of his death. Those actions pushed Floyd over the edge. And the additional police officers who were bystanders were negligent by failing to act.
I agree, if George Floyd had been white, the event likely would not have even made the local news…
gravenimage says
Floyd did have a lot of preexisting conditions–but police also have to allow for that in their dealing with arrests. Many people would have a problem with someone kneeling on their neck for over 8 minutes–I probably would myself.
Floyd also expressed his distress, and was ignored.
This may or may not have been an actual murder–but it certainly was excessive force. Acknowledging this does not in any way absolve the violent rioting and looting we have seen, nor attacks on police.
dhans says
While Mr. Floyds death may not be due to any “choke” applied, I still feel that his death is unwarranted. I don’t want the police acting as judge, jury, and executioner. I will not ever take a knee for him, or even support a single protest, as he brought his end upon himself. Don’t commit crimes and you never put yourself in contact with the police, especially the bad ones. Just arrest him, hog tie him if you have to, and throw him in the back of the car. Four officers should be more than capable of efficiently handling that.
Confused says
bullshit……you saw the murder in actual time…
roberta says
Some cities are supposedly going to disband the police. I cant wait to see the Darwin party that is going to cause.
So many cities have that (no $$$ bail release) from jail policy, this must be the next illogical step.
Westman says
That’s what they say. As a journalist friend once said, ” Leftist verbal commitment is the weakest kind.”
gravenimage says
Minneapolis is talking about this, and NYC’s de Blasio has talked about completely defunding the police. I cannot imagine how much suffering this would result in for their people–including those in the black community.
Westman says
Who would want to work for the Fire Dept and go to a fire in a dangerous part of the city, without police escort, where thugs might shoot at Firemen! Thugs shooting at firemen has already happened.
Kesselman says
Watching the confused dangling youth and their ragged looks mixed up with surplus energy and communist agenda isn’t promising for the future. Part of the trouble is that the Left has mixed and confusing reality to clam that “Truth” is whatever they’ve concluded from their “facts,” which include feelings, interpretation, perception, and falsehoods.
spiro. says
The question was What is to be done
In my opinion unless we vote a change in leadership nothing will change
the democrats and leftist Republican will continue to buy vote with debt
the country can’t afford
We have allowed our county to get this way thru laziness and materialism
So. “What is to be done “
Paula says
Evil walks the Earth…
mortimer says
Cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt School … i.e. the school teachers … are responsible for the suicidal hatred of country inculcated in the youth for the last 60 years.
The only way conservative teachers can survive in the system is to keep their lip permanently zipped for decades or to find a conservative private school where other teachers share their opinions.
In government-run school systems, the teachers indoctrinate each other in regular training updates taught by neo-Marxists of the Frankfurt school of thought.
gravenimage says
That’s a big part of it, Mortimer.
Jerry says
Just the call to preyer of the Democratic Loot and Run Church.
OLD GUY says
Floyd should not have died at the hands of this police officer, but bad things happen when you are a criminal and are high on drugs. Floyd is no hero or martyr for the supposed police brutality to blacks. He is an excuse for the far left to carry out their anti American agenda and hatred for law enforcement along with the criminals who use these demonstrations to loot and steel and commit violence. The politicians who stand up for and promote this type of behavior should be voted out of office. Nothing good will ever come from violence and the lack of law and order, and let’s face it their will always be bad people and criminals, without the police there will be total chaos. Are there bad police officers? YES and they need to be dealt with under are justice system not by a mob.
Quazgaa says
Though I hope I’m wrong, methinks US is heading towards civil war.
Not overnight, but rather like Hemingway’s description of bankruptcy: at first it comes slowly, then all of a sudden.
Sunny says
Sorry I about died laughing at your statement. We are already in one and have been for awhile now. Its great you are catching up. Make sure to have a bug out bag you might just need it.Sorry I have known for quite some time this was coming it started decades ago.Dont feel bad it takes awhile to see the light and know we were telling all of you the truth to begin with.
SamB says
With this re-emerging paradigm of systemic racism and its accouterments the fight against Islamic radicalism, jihadism and infiltration will necessarily be relegated to the backburner. Right now the debate ought to be how to save America(Europe, the World…) Islam will now find the space to germinate. Keith Ellsion, Omar, Tlaib have already jumped on the bandwagon decrying the ingrained racism as anathema to their ideologies (Islam). This (racism, China) will sidetrack the eternal war of imperialistic deportment of its agitators