The Lausanne Treaty defined the borders of the secular Turkish republic. Throwing it out would herald a new Turkish expansionism. In February 2018, Erdoğan declared his desire to reconquer the lands the Ottoman caliphate once ruled: “Those who think that we have erased from our hearts the lands from which we withdrew in tears a hundred years ago are wrong. We say at every opportunity we have that Syria, Iraq and other places in the geography [map] in our hearts are no different from our own homeland. We are struggling so that a foreign flag will not be waved anywhere where adhan [Islamic call to prayer in mosques] is recited. The things we have done so far [pale in comparison to the] even greater attempts and attacks [we are planning for] the coming days, inshallah [Allah willing].”
This is coming.
“Erdoğan setting the stage for invalidating the Lausanne Treaty after Hagia Sophia move,” by Yavuz Baydar, Ahval News, July 26, 2020:
A spectre is haunting Europe, the spectre of Turkish expansionism, set in motion by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s Islamist government and its ultra-nationalist allies stakeholding his iron rule. All the powers of old Europe, with the exception of France, have entered into a holy alliance to duck this spectre: the EU and ECB, Germany’s Angela Merkel and the U.K.’s Boris Johnson, Italy’s Giuseppe Conte and Spain’s Pedro Sanchez, The European Commission’s Ursula von de Leyen and the EU’s Josep Borrell, the Council of Europe, the European Court of Human Rights and NATO.
I have rephrased the famous introduction to Communist Manifesto, to underline the magnitude of the current and massively underestimated drama, of which Turkey is at the epicentre.
A militarised regime is taking shape in Anatolia as the world watches on at the expense of the well being of Turkish people. This regime is pursuing an expansionist order determined to stretch the country’s legal borders by means of a brute force.
If you think the recent reconversion of the Hagia Sophia into a mosque – a sad affair even in defiance of the verses of holy Quran – is just about the 6th century iconic site, think again.
The groundbreaking decision by the Erdoğan – Bahçeli alliance on the monument is only one major stone laid on the path to their plans pertaining to the centennial of Turkish Republic in 2023. Theirs is part of a major political choreography, based on bringing out of Pandora’s Box the ghosts of wars of the past. Let the borders of modern Turkey, drawn after the WWI go up for debate again and let the so-called National Pact (Misak-ı Milli), which is about reclaiming lands that now belong to Turkey’s southern and western neighbours, be brought to life, this alliance says.
The fact that the AKP cadres and pundits unleashed damnations and curses on the Lausanne Treaty even before the dust had settled on the Hagia Sophia reopening ceremony on Friday should be a wake up call for the world. That is if anyone is paying any attention to the constant escalation of the internal power rhetoric in Turkey.
It wasn’t a coincidence that Erdoğan and Bahçeli chose a specific date for the Hagia Sophia cemenony: The anniversary of the Lausanne Treaty, which was signed on July 24, 1923. So, it isn’t a puzzle anymore when Turks – in sympathy or opposition to the strongman of their country – kept hearing the phrase, ”a historic parenthesis that must be closed”. The parenthesis is the history of Turkish Republic, as envisioned and launched by its founding father, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Opening the gates of Hagia Sophia as a mosque at the same time paves the way for such a closure…
So, we are faced with the spectre in Turkey today, but the European apathy to what is taking place in the country is astonishing. The main reason for what will surely develop into a new European folly is clear: Behind closed doors, major EU representatives agree that Erdoğan regime is lesser of two evils. If Erdoğan’s fall will wreak havoc in Turkey, they maintain, incomparable to what happened to the former Yugoslavia, causing millions of Turks to flee west on to EU soil.
So, the Erdoğan regime is considered ”fine,” as it offers stability, even though the entire country -(to quote the main opposition leader Kemal Kılıçdaroglu – is ”an open-air prison.”
Thus, let us remain paralysed, they say, while they continue to appease Erdoğan, pretending everything is just fine. And let us watch, as Turkish irredentism gets ready to challenge the international order in the Eastern Mediterranean through militarised foreign policy….
mortimer says
Perfectly expressed by Robert Spencer … “the spectre of Turkish expansionism … is haunting Europe”. Indeed, but will the Europeans listen.
Radical measures need to be taken to show resolve or the Turks will give ‘Erdolf’ the mandate he wants to get Ottoman LEBENSRAUM.
Clearly, Islamism and Ottomanism are on the march. I no longer think it is incredible for Erdolf to promote himself as caliph. Many others in the past have done so.
He will no doubt ‘find’ a bogus document that shows he is a direct descendant of Mohammed, thus giving him the right to rule the world.
mortimer says
Oops … it looks like Yavuz Baydar said that. Credit where it’s due.
Robert Porter says
What kind of Europe allows with impunity the lunatic likes of Recep Erdogan to spout his Islamic ambitions for re-conquest of lands the Turks invaded and then lost? Answer: A cowardly Europe led by weak, evil and quite stupid excuses for leaders such as Angela Merkel and Emanuel Macron. These societies, no longer Christian, no longer believing in God believe in nothing and thus have no purpose other than to exist. To contemporary Europeans, Charles Martel’s victory at Poitier over Islam means nothing. The same applies to the Turkish defeat at Lepanto and twice outside Vienna, the 1683 Ottoman Empire defeat heralding a slow and painful Muslim withdrawal. And now this Muslim lunatic talks of taking back land the Muslims stole and then lost. What kind of people put up with such crap? Cowardly people.
Rufolino says
Erdogan another Hitler with murderous intentions for the “untermensch” (Christians and Jews). The seizure of Hagia Sophia of seminal significance. Erdogan is now on a roll, with not even the Pope offering more than a whimper. Nothing emboldens bullies more than cowardice.
The Istanbulian says
As well as Alevis, Greeks, Armenians, & Kurds.
SAFI says
I would not put Macron in the same sentence with Merkel given that he is literally THE ONLY western head-of-state who has taken a stand against Erdogan up to this moment. I wish the same could be said for some popular “heros” like Trump or Orban who are being touted as champions of the West, but so far, and you can dislike him for whatever other reason, Macron is the only western leader not engaging in appeasement towards Turkey.
I love Iblis says
+1 to SAFI. Orban was the only European leader that supported Turkish Invasion of Northeastern Syria (Rojava) on October 2019.
Antiislamicman says
When the war comes Islam will lose as fascism can never be allowed to win. Evil can never be right
mortimer says
But … it’s ‘religion’ … freedom of religion for Muslims. Europeans don’t know how to respond to that. They don’t know that ‘Islam’ is a political party.
Robert Porter says
Mortimer, if by now they don’t know, then they are are pretty ignorant and stupid. But, but the way, how much more clued up on Islam and Islamic goals are Americans and Canadians who I now regard as mainly really ignorance about Islam and disinclined to learn.
Brian Hoff says
There was no certain victory in ww2 for the allie.
gravenimage says
No–there was only the bravery of fighting against the horrors of Fascism.
Note that the appalling “Brian Hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–is a regular apologist for Hitler and the Nazis.
Robert Porter says
Antiislamicman, what I ask is when even Donald Trump will publicly tell Recep Erdogan to stop talking inflammatory nonsense. From the West, even Trump, there is silence regarding Erdogan’s lunatic ramblings. If the West were not so gutless, and this includes the United States, Turkey would be ejected from NATO and along with this Turks, and enemy within, living in the West.
mortimer says
Turkey should be divided up among the surrounding countries and cease to exist. It was a blot on history and provided nothing of use to humanity … only bloodshed, oppression, suffering, slavery and war.
AleX says
I’d think of at least twenty states laying claims on present day Turkey.
The parasitic body of Turkey has victimized scores of nations through generations since feudal ages to modern times.
What lies in wait for Turkey and it’s bad Karma in coming years will make Syria look good in comparison.
AleX says
Correction: * ITS bad Karma
FYI says
Interesting photo of the wannabe neo-ottoman emperor erdolf.
It looks like he is wondering about that place,the HAGIA SOPHIA.
Perhaps he should wonder and ponder some more about this HAGIA SOPHIA:what does it represent?
The HAGIA SOPHIA,the Divine Wisdom of Jesus Christ, whose STOLEN property he struts around like a peacock.
The HAGIA SOPHIA,the Divine Wisdom of Jesus Christ,the ONE who will judge his corrupt soul{and not ‘allah’ the greatest of deceivers’koran 3:54 as he imagines,islam’s ARAB god who must never be confused with the actual Biblical God}
erdolf won’t get it.muslims won’t get:but why should they if they don’t get the BIG CLUES that..?
1]allah is ‘the BEST of all deceivers” {koran 3:54} ‘allahu khayru i makireena'[HINT#1]
2]allah’s greatest enemy is a MAN called ‘the King Of Kings'{SAHIH MUSLIM VOL 5 HADITH #5611}[HINT#2]
erdolf’s god allah boasts of being a champion at deceiving people and his enemy is the King of Kings.
{Any chance muslims could figure this one out?}
erdolf’s move is not a wise move:he has revealed himself to be a bully,a tyrant and a hypocrite{as he ‘prays’ to be SEEN OF MEN in public,something allah actually condemns koran 4:142}
You see,the One to whom that STOLEN church is dedicated will have the final say and the last laugh:
Jesus Christ the HAGIA SOPHIA,the one appointed to judge all ..that includes the muslims and erdolf.
I wouldn’t be too cocky if i was a muslim…
Beverly says
I like what you did there with Adolph and erdogan.
The Istanbulian says
It’s been Assadogan for ages
Tommy Simpson says
…and so Daniel’s statue’s feet are beginning to form…one of these days it will be all over for them when the Rock comes and breaks the statue into smithereens.
curious says
+1
Islam is a totalitarian doctrine that commands the violent overthrow of secular government and the imposition of Sharia. As part of that, it commands a specific religion and personal lifestyle too. The religion becomes a beard.
NATO media and politicians, ‘well oiled’ by Petrodollar corruption and hypnosis going back to Nixon’s formerly secret deals with KSA, choose to see only the beard of religion, and to ignore the totalitarian doctrine behind the beard.
Walter Sieruk says
Is Erdogan planing an actual restoration of the Ottoman empire which would naturally included a restored caliphate headed,maybe, by a caliph , would be sultan and grand Imam all in one man ?
If so could Erdogan with the aid of others actually be successful in his goal ? If so would grand Imam sultan and caliph the Mahdi who the so many devote Muslims believe is coming ?
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To give some Bible based information with authorized Islamic literature also taken into account and yet not to go into detail and that state that this is a theory of Bible prophecy and not a complete prophecy fact. This is what might happen.
This awful and terrible conflict in the twenty -first century is part of the war between the Judo- Christian West and the Islamic East. The Mahdi will arise in the Middle East he will appear a wonderful man to many people, in reality he will be wicked man and will be so very deceitful and lying to he will seem, very much, like a good righteous and rightly guided man who will make a short and false “peace” in the Middle East. The Mahdi with have a partner who will be the false “jesus” of Islam. This Islamic ”jesus” will give Christian’s a choice , which is convert to Islam or die by beheading, this is the Koranic way to killing non-Muslims, as in 47:4.
Those vicious murders of Christians in the future are predicted in the Bible. As seen in Revelation 20:4. Furthermore in Israel the Mahdi “shall divide the land” Daniel 11:39. [K.J.V.] between the Jews and Muslims and the Mahdi will also by many deceiving lying signs and wonders, will unify Shi ‘ite and Sunni Islam together common goal destroying the State of Israel ,once and for all. The Mahdi will then take the all the military force of Islam with Satanic intention of totally destroying the Jewish State, one and for all. The when the Second Coming of real Jesus will occur .This is at the Battle of Armageddon where the final and complete defeat of the Mahdi, along with false ”jesus,” and his Islamic military forces. After the great Victory there will be then the total destruction of Islam. As found in the Bible in, for example, Ezekiel chapter 37 and 38. Zechariah Chapter 12 and then 14:9-21 well as in Revelation 19:11-21.
There is an Christian Arab pastor ,Michael Youssef who had written two well researched and informative books about the Islamic messiah called the Mahdi the are END TIMES AND THE SECRET OF THE MAHDI also the book entitled JESUS , JIHAD AND PEACE Furthermore, another Christian author on the topic of the Mahdi and prophecy is other than pastor Youssef is Joel Richardson who wrote THE ISLAMIC ANTICHRIST :THE SHOCKING TRUTH ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE BEAST and the other book entitled THE MIDEAST BEAST : THE SCRIPTURAL CASE FOR THE ISLAMIC ANTICHRIST.
AleX says
@Walter Sieruk:
“After the great Victory there will be then the total destruction of Islam. As found in the Bible in, for example, Ezekiel chapter 37 and 38. Zechariah Chapter 12 and then 14:9-21 well as in Revelation 19:11-21.”
It’d be interesting to check muslim sources too (about islam receding in its snake hole):
Sahih Muslim book 1 hadith #270 to #272
curious says
P.S. I should add citations, so readers can see it isn’t only some curious stranger on the Interwebs saying this. The problem goes back to Nixon trying to finance the expansion of his war in southeast Asia. He made secret deals with KSA to shift the USD from the gold standard to the Petrodollar standard:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret
The rest is history: the Saudis and their gulf Muslim partners used Petrodollar baksheesh to corrupt NATO media and politicians, hypnotizing NATO voters, and hijacking NATO:
https://www.vox.com/2016/3/21/11275354/saudi-arabia-gulf-washington
Saudis enjoy falconry, and have hypnotized the American eagle to become their most lethal falcon. Look at the wars in Libya, Syria, and Yemen, and consider that KSA is the world’s largest arms importer, and the USA & UK are the largest exporters. Even the worst Islamic atrocities, including 9/11, get buried under a tsunami of Petrodollar corruption and hypnosis. Bandar Bush used W, and all their cronies got paid, and the Saudis’ potential competitors in Iraq, Libya, and Syria have never been allowed to compete; NATO voters pay more to ship oil from KSA than it would cost to pipe oil from Libya, and thus the charade continues.
I recommend all of Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh’s reporting in the London Review of Books, in particular this:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v36/n08/seymour-m.-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
The point of “Hillary’s War” in Libya, which she expanded secretly into Syria, was to serve her Saudi clients and her military industrial complex relationships. Note the enthusiastic support from W, and a former acting director of the CIA, among others. Since Nixon, the USA and KSA have armed Sunni militias to fight the Soviets and now the Russians, making a similar mistake to the Europeans who supported the Nazis against the Soviet communists.
When I see certain commenters here calling “Leftism” a worse threat than Islam, they seem to make the same mistake too. Communism is mostly repudiated, but Islam rises rampant, and poses an express and much worse threat to the lives and liberty of westerners.
James Lincoln says
curious says,
“When I see certain commenters here calling “Leftism” a worse threat than Islam, they seem to make the same mistake too. Communism is mostly repudiated, but Islam rises rampant, and poses an express and much worse threat to the lives and liberty of westerners.”
The way I see it:
Leftism, at least in the United States, is currently a more *immediate* threat to the country than islam.
Over time, if the red-green axis were allowed to grow and operate synergistically, islam then becomes the greater threat.
If continued *completely* unabated, the muslims completely take over and then “marginalize” the leftists – as in post-1979 Iran…
Wellington says
A fine summary, James. I am in agreement with it. Curious is quite uncurious about the transformation of old fashion liberalism (with which I have some disagreements, particularly on how much government should exist and on tax structure, but still fine on identifying and combating evil as well as being patriotic) into modern liberalism or, as it is often termed, leftism.
Conservatism from half a century ago is essentially the same (and replete with many pseudo-conservatives often termed RINOs—Rockefeller Republicans back in the Sixties and Seventies, Romney Republicans now), but the party of FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, Hubert Humphrey and Scoop Jackson is almost gone and has been replaced with cowards like Pelosi and Biden who will move as far left as the Far Left demands.
The single greatest disaster confronting America today is the sorry and sordid transformation of the Democratic Party into something inimical to freedom, capitalism, common sense, the rule of law and America itself. I mean can you imagine someone like JFK or Scoop Jackson endorsing, as the Democratic Party en masse today does, such idiocies as sanctuary cities, pie-in-the sky green energy nonsense, gun confiscation, effectively unprotected borders and health care and driver licenses to illegals? No way. And curious remains clueless here.
James Lincoln says
Wellington says,
“.. the party of FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, Hubert Humphrey and Scoop Jackson is almost gone…”
Agreed.
If these six individuals were “time traveled” into 2020, would they be Republicans or Independents?
curious says
@Wellington, you seem to pine for an imaginary era of “conservatives” whom you would acknowledge, as opposed to those you dismiss as “pseudo-conservatives” or “RINOs”, and illustrate the “No True Scotsman” fallacy. You have dismissed Rockefeller and Nixon as RINOs, so, looking at the 1968 campaign, it sounds like you miss George Wallace. That would be consistent with your separate-but-equal rejection of the 14th Amendment, but not with your (apparently false) claim to reject Plessy v Ferguson.
Do you have any clue what federal income tax rates the “conservatives” of 50y ago campaigned on? From 1960-1980, it was >=70%.
Today, we have an economy where network effects funnel unprecedented wealth up to a few at the top, and top tax rates have been cut.
Both major parties are doing what they have been doing for 20 years. Much of current media coverage is designed to divide-and-rule: show the most extreme on one side to the opposing audience to get their reaction, then show the most extreme reaction, and back and forth until people are divided and misruled. “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.”
Billionaire executives benefit, and fund political theater hoping the reaction will (re)elect politicians who will continue deficit spending (including federal income tax rates half what they were in your “conservative” era), crony capitalism, and lemon socialism. They are using you, and you are clueless.
Open borders mean cheaper labor, and the Pope is telling Europeans to import Muslims:
http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/messages/migration/documents/papa-francesco_20170815_world-migrants-day-2018.html
Billionaire executives and the Vatican agree on open borders and migration, yet you fail to mention them.
curious says
P.S. Here is the link I had been searching for, the Pope continues even amid COVID-19 to tell European Christians to Muslim immigration:
“In order to grow, it is necessary to share… To grow truly, we must grow together, sharing what we have….”
http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2020/05/15/0282/00625.html#en
Europeans have an advanced civilization built up over millenia. Muslim migrants have SARS-CoV2 and a Koran that commands them to kill or subjugate Christians. What could possibly go wrong?
gravenimage says
curious, why are you implying that Wellington is for untrammeled Muslim immigration? He obviously *is not*.
And he has many times criticized the Pope for the madness of his stance on Muslim immigration.
Then, your contrary claim that Wellington must be a racist is pure calumny. Where has he *ever* lauded George Wallace or Plessy v Ferguson? He has not.
Neither has he applauded socialism.
You can disagree with Wellington all you like, but making things up about him is–or *should be*–beneath you.
Wellington says
curious: For the record, I don’t miss George Wallace, despise racism overall and your ridiculous contention that I secretly wish Plessy were still the law of the land because I I don’t think the due process clause and equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment guarantees a right to gay marriage (neither did the four Supreme Court dissenters in the Obergefell v. Hodges case of 2015—Roberts, Thomas, Alito and Scalia) is beneath contempt. Increasingly you are coming across as unhinged as well as unjust. Enough already. Get a grip.
Vladimir says
There’s a reason why Vlad Dracula (Vlad Tepes ”Vlad the Impaler”) is still a national hero in Romania. Some peoples remember the Turks and them ruling the land for over 400 years.
AleX says
@Vladimir
More than 500 years to be more exact: from 14th century onward until 1878.
Vladimir says
I’m not exact on the dates the Turks took Wallachia, but yes you’re right. They had already conquered a good portion of the Balkans even before they took Constantinople in 1453 AD.
AleX says
Mircea Cel Bătrân was the early pioneer of asymmetric warfare against the Turks that had to be done for the next 500 years in all the eastern Europe. He smashed Beyazid south of the Danube border thus helping the Bulgars against the invading Ottomans.
His rule commenced in 1386, so the struggle of Wallachians lasted 500 years indeed!
tim gallagher says
Well, this loathsome creature, Erdogan, certainly has very big ambitions, but surely Turkey isn’t actually powerful enough to make the inroads that he dreams of. Then again, the European countries do seem to lack the will to get their act together and crush this Muslim upstart. Hopefully, the European countries will toughen up and get organised and crush Erdogan’s power crazed Turkey like a bug. It would be great to see that happen.
GreekEmpress says
News I get from Greece—the people are afraid the Turks will seize Crete and other islands. They are already violating Greek water and airspace on a routine basis. And there’s always a risk to Cyprus.
gravenimage says
Very scary, GreekEmpress–Erdogan has already said that he wants to seize the Greek Islands.
James Lincoln says
Interestingly, GreekEmpress, both Turkey and Greece are members of NATO.
Turkey attempting to seize Crete would be an act of war.
Let’s see, one NATO country attacking another NATO country…
gravenimage says
True, James–but Turkey invading Cyprus in 1974 was an act of war against Greece, as well–and this was ignored also.
black adder says
Stop whining lady, you have become very tiring. We are not afraid of anything. Greece is not Libya or Syria, you know…By the way tell your “brave” friends to change their diapers more often, if they are so frightened.
gravenimage says
Turkey is indeed becoming more aggressive–noting this *does not* make you a coward.
black adder says
She said the people are afraid that the turks are going to seize Crete! Seriously?
gravenimage says
This is not paranoia, black adder:
“Greece says Turkish plans to map sea encroach on its territory”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-greece-turkey/turkey-should-face-eu-sanctions-if-no-retreat-from-disputed-gas-explorations-greece-says-idUSKCN24M2FV
Being frightened is *not* the same as being cowardly, nor does it imply that you are going to roll over for Muslim aggression. Islam *is* dangerous–it would be foolish not to consider Islam to be a threat.
gravenimage says
More here, black adder–Turkey is indeed specifically threatening Crete:
“US Warship in Crete as Greek-Turkish Standoff Grows”
https://www.voanews.com/europe/us-warship-crete-greek-turkish-standoff-grows
black adder says
Turks are only good at killing teenage kurdish girls, with the help of their jihadi friends.
black adder says
They are “violating” greek waters and air space because the incompetent greek governments haven’t oficially defined their limits up to know. Even the Argentinians can “violate” them if they like. Get it?
SAFI says
The Turkish and Greek naves almost came to blows this last Wednesday. They might still do.
black adder says
We are still waiting…
GreekEmpress says
No need to be insulting or condescending.
SAFI says
*navies
black adder says
If you don’t want me to be insulting, you should stop spreading fake news, greek “empress” (my as@).
GreekEmpress says
That’s the sentiment there among some of the people; that’s what I was told. I was surprised by what I heard as well. If you’re in Greece or have friends and family there please let us know your/their take on the situation.
Sorry you don’t like my handle.
And I’m just saying you can engage in civil discourse and add to the discussion without insults.
I didn’t say anything that was meant to deliberately antagonize you. Ok?
gravenimage says
Nothing GreekEmpress has said here is untrue. Why are you attacking Anti-Jihadists here?
gravenimage says
And here is what a Turkish journalist is saying today:
“Turkey has started to act in the Greek Islands. As we speak on this show, Turkish fighter planes are flying over the Greek Islands for the first time. We will see something big happening there. Turkey will reclaim the rights that have been stolen from it everywhere!”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/07/how-a-turkish-journalist-sees-the-transformation-of-hagia-sophia
So how is any of what GreekEmpress said “fake news”? Clearly, it is not.
gravenimage says
“A spectre is haunting Europe, the spectre of Turkish expansionism, set in motion by Erdoğan’s Islamist government”
………………….
Erdogan has already expressed his desire to conquer other nations:
“Erdogan: ‘Resurrection of Hagia Sophia’ heralds ‘return of freedom to al-Aqsa,’ revival of Islam Uzbekistan to Spain”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/07/erdogan-resurrection-of-hagia-sophia-heralds-return-of-freedom-to-al-aqsa-revival-of-islam-uzbekistan-to-spain
More:
The Lausanne Treaty defined the borders of the secular Turkish republic. Throwing it out would herald a new Turkish expansionism.
………………….
There are bizarre conspiracy theories circulating in Turkey, including the claim that the Treaty of Lausanne expires in 2023:
“…what will happen in 2023 when the Treaty of Lausanne expires and Turkey’s modern borders become obsolete. In keeping with secret articles signed by Turkish and British diplomats at a Swiss lakefront resort almost a century ago, British troops will reoccupy forts along the Bosphorus, and the Greek Orthodox patriarch will resurrect a Byzantine ministate within Istanbul’s city walls.”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/10/02/notes-on-a-turkish-conspiracy/
Of course, there are no such “secret articles”–but many Muslims are flogging this.
infidel says
This spectre of an mad Islamist expansionist Turkey is not only a threat northwards into the Eu, it is also an eastward threat for India. Historically, India has been invaded and tormented by the Turks over the centuries and plundered and pillaged and looted and Hindus mass murdered. Jehaadi Pakistan is forever an eager ally with Turkey in this Islamic expansionism that harks back to the gory middleage as espoused brilliantly by Dr Bill Warner in his paradigm breaking research video – the 1400 yr old secret. Yet, the entire non Islamic world is a deep deep slumber. But then U cannot wake up those that PRETEND to sleep is an old Indian saying.
Ray Jarman says
I can’t help but chuckle a bit and wonder if Erdogan would like a repeat of the Crimea War against Russia and if England will lead a charge of a light brigade against the Russians. On a serious note, it is time that Turkey be thrown out of NATO.
infidel says
Turkey is not an ally and never will be in NATO.. It is using the platform to work against NATO as Muslims usually do when among non Muslim grps / orgs/ societies / nations..
Ray Jarman says
I totally agree.
gravenimage says
Yes–the Turks are no allies of ours.
infidel says
The moment a Muslim sets foot into a Khafir land or housing society and it deos not matter that he got there by begging for refugee status or sweet talked his way into Ur colony.. the moment he sets his foot there, he will claim ownership of that land / housing society and his sole intention would be to just drive U out in the long run by hook or crook. Of course, this will not take place the next day he arrives.. but that long term process and plotting begins in his mind from second-1
JoBo says
Europe, take back Constantinople for Greece.
black adder says
No, thanks we don’t want it back now. It if full of almost 20 million turkr@aches. What are we supposed to do, spray them with insecticide?
DH says
All of western and northern Anatolia was Greek Federation.
What did the EEC (EU forerunner) do when Turkey invaded and stole northern Cyprus, just 46 years ago, 1974? (Nothing!)
Constantinople, Europe’s largest metropolis (until today’s Moscow), the heart of Christendom (muslims oddly called it “Rum” – another Rome -, because the Christian Faith was One entity) raped and taken by Turks in 1453.
The EU, with NATO (1st expelling Turkey, of course!), must strive to restore ALL of the above.
“NEXT YEAR IN CONSTANTINOPLE!”
OLD GUY says
Turkey is acting out its desire to support the islamic world domination plan. The sad part is that the EU and the western countries have mede the muslim migration invasion easier through OPEN BORDERS and LIBERAL IMMIGRATION laws. You don’t need to send your invading army when you can simply take over the country through becoming the largest segment of the population.
SAFI says
Let me share a few thoughts/observations… First, there is little about this “new Turkish expansionism”, as RS described it, that is actually “new” in my view. Contrary to what some people seem to think “the secular Turkish republic” never really ceased being expansionist. Ataturk never actully disowned the “Misak-ı Milli” referenced in the above article. He only agreed to the Lausanne borders as a necessary (and temporary) compromise. It was under a “kemalist” turkish government that in 1974 Turkey invaded, occupied and in all but name annexed the northern half of Cyprus. And it was Ataturk himself who ordered his army to occupy Syria’s Alexandretta(now the “Hatay” province of Turkey) and annex it shortly after via a mock referendum.
By the way that “opposition leader” Kılıçdaroglu (first name Kemal, leader of the “kemalist” CHP) who according to the article called turkey ”an open-air prison” , has also publicly stated numerous times that Crete and a few dozen or hundred more Greek islands are rightfully turkish and has even vowed to “retake” them if elected on top of also urging Erdogan to invade Greece himself. Here’s one example
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/921193/World-War-3-Turkey-threaten-invade-Greece-Aegean-Sea
He also was/is fully behind Erdogan’s “operations” in northern Syria, the long term of which is for the Turks to demographically engineer the area in order to pull off another “Sudetenland” a la Hatay and Cyprus once the Kurds have been cleansed from the area and replaced with Turks and pro-turkish Arabs.
I’m mentioning this just in case anyone was tempted to feel sorry for those poor innocent kemalists that the big islamic baddie Erdogan has been persecuting.
That said there’s no denying that Erdogan wants to relive the old glories of Ottoman imperial expansion. He’s certainly not the only person in Turkey who shares that dream but he’s more impatient than most. He wishes for the Ottoman Empire to return not just in his own lifetime but during his own term as President and preferably before the end of 2023, that is before 100 years have passed since the last Caliph was deposed.
black adder says
Congratulations, great comment. Dedicated to all those fools, especially the Greeks, who believe that once Erdogan is out of the way, everything will be fine.
gravenimage says
When did any Greeks say that everything will be fine if Erdogan is out? Some few may believe this, but I imagine many just realize that he is especially aggressive, as he is re-Islamizing Turkey. But certainly, he is not the only threat, any more than, say, ISIS or Al Qaida are the only threats.
The ultimate threat, of course, is Islam itself.
black adder says
I have heard a lot of greeks saying that because I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN GREECE! Do you live in Greece too?
gravenimage says
No, I don’t live in Greece. If they are saying this, they are foolish and do not know Turkey’s history.
Certainly, though, no Greeks *here* are saying this.