Imagine if the roles were reversed, not that that would ever or should ever happen. There would be a massive international outcry. But no one will take any significant notice of this.
“Christian Man Shot for Living in a ‘Muslim Neighborhood’ in Pakistan Dies,” International Christian Concern, July 1, 2020:
07/01/2020 Pakistan (International Christian Concern) – According to local reports, Nadeem Joseph, a Christian from the TV Colony of Peshawar, the capital of Pakistan’s Khybar Pakhtunkhawa province, died yesterday as a result of gunshot wounds he received on June 4. Twenty-six days ago, Joseph and his family were attacked by Muslim neighbors because they purchased a home what their neighbors’ determined to be a ‘Muslim-only’ neighborhood.
On June 4, 2020, Nadeem Joseph, his mother-in-law, Elizabeth, and his brother-in-law, Babar Masih were attacked by Muslim neighbors wielding guns in front of their home in TV Colony. The attackers were Salman Khan and his sons.
According to Joseph and his family, Khan attacked because they purchased a home in what Khan claimed to be a ‘Muslim neighborhood’.
In a video message recorded from his hospital bed in early June, Joseph said, “A month ago, I purchased a house in TV Colony. I still have to make the final payments to the seller, but Salman Khan, a Muslim in the neighborhood, started harassing my family.”
While Joseph and his family resided in TV Colony, they were harassed by Muslim neighbors who called them ‘chooras’, a derogatory term used to denote Christians as untouchable. Muslim neighbors also damaged the doors of their home and constantly rode loud motorbikes past the house.
Joseph claimed that Khan and his sons asked his family to leave this neighborhood because it was “meant for Muslim residents only.” Khan reportedly when on to say, “How dare a Christian family live amid Muslims.”…
Photo by Omer Wazir from Tucson, AZ, USA – Peshawar, CC BY-SA 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10490063
J Morgan says
Hatred, abductions and murder of Christians is common in Pakistan. America must stop funding the Pakistani Govt. Also, these Christians are real refugees. The USA should be a refuge for these Christians who are fleeing for their lives. They would integrate well here. They would probably be grateful.
Rod says
Statistics indicate that murder of Christians is disturbingly common in the USA, far more common than in many more civilised societies. Curiously, Americans seem to think it’s acceptable. Doesn’t deter them from calling Muslims violent.
gravenimage says
The idea that if one opposes violence that one must–somehow–actually support violence makes no sense–but this from “Rod” is very common.
And can he cite cases of Christians being targeted for their faith here? OF course not–but he doesn’t care about truth, just about whitewashing the horrors of Islam.
Rod says
I think I understand. Americans don’t murder Christians because of their religion, so their frightening propensity to kill each other for other reasons (fifteen thousand per year with guns alone) is less criminal than it might be.
There are nonetheless millions of them incarcerated. But you still love to tell us about Muslim’s criminality.
gravenimage says
I oppose gang violence, as well, which is responsible for most gun murders in the United States. I am involved with programs that in part are aimed at reducing this violence–adult literacy programs at the Oakland Jail, and a program to help young women pass the GED (high school equivalency test).
The idea that if you oppose gang violence that you–somehow–have to joyfully accept Muslims murdering innocent people is just bizarre.
And “Rod” just made his point that murder and gang violence are *illegal* in America and the rest of the civilized world–whereas violence against Christians and other Infidels is often either winked at by Pakistani authorities, or is actually initiated by them, as with the terrible persecution of Asia Bibi.
And yes–I and others here do indeed believe it is important to expose these atrocities–no wonder “Rod” hates Jihad Watch so passionately. Bad dhimmis!
Rod says
Yes, gravy. I hate racism in all its disguises, including the totally unconvincing pretence we see here. So do most of us, which is why Mr Spencer’s “books” are never found in bookstores, why the UK didn’t give him a warm, or even a cold welcome, and why Jihadwatch has only two dozen (or is it two and a half dozen) adherents. At least you can boast you are one of a “select” few.
gravenimage says
How is opposing the persecution and murder of Christians in Pakistan racist? In fact, most Pakistani Muslims are former Infidels who converted to Islam. That is, most Christians–and Hindus, and Sikhs, and Muslims–in Pakistan are ethnically indistinguishable from Muslims there.
And the fact is that Robert Spencer’s books–which are not racist in any way–are regular bestsellers. Of course, “Rod” is unable to cite anything that he has written that is racist.
And no–the false claim that Spencer’s books are racist has nothing to do with his being banned in Britain. In fact, in 2015 the British Court of Appeals dismissed the appeal to the ban, arguing that “this was a public order case where the police had advised that significant public disorder and serious violence might ensue from the proposed visit”.
In other words, police concerns were that Muslims would violently riot if he were allowed to enter the country, so his and Ms. Geller’s freedom of speech had to be crushed. I do not agree with such reasoning, but it has nothing to do with opposing the murder of Lee Rigby being “racist”.
And the idea that Jihad Watch has no more than a dozen and a half “adherents” is utterly ludicrous. Jihad Watch has hundreds of posters, and many more readers. It has almost *two million* comments, just with its current posing system.
Despite what “Rod” claims, the vast majority of those comments oppose the horrors of Jihad terror. It is, in fact, those who sneer at the victims of Jihad like “Rod” who are very much in the minority here.
Rod says
“Muslims would violently riot if he were to enter the country”
Perhaps they think Mr Spencer is a racist. But what would they know, when you know so much better?
Sorry gravy, you just don’t make sense, like your fellow racists.
“Gang violence is responsible for most gun murders in the USA” I assume the murdered people end up dead, jut as murdered people always do. So, as I said, lots of Americans (dare I say, many of them Christians), are murdered year after year, by other Americans. Why so eager to criticise others who, rather less often, kill Christians?
But I do need to understand why you think the ongoing epidemic of violence in US society, so different from the society in my country and so many others, is somehow more acceptable because “Christians are not targeted for their faith”. Do your judges and juries take this peculiar view into account in determining sentences? Or pardons? For murder? Or is this weird idea just another aspect of your racism?
I have never sneered at victims of jihad. This silly allegation is yet another lie, or as seems increasingly obvious, another example of your struggles with English comprehension.
Rod says
From Political Oracle, July 4, 2020
“Wait and watch as islamic fascism begins to eat out the substance of freedom and life in American society. What weird to Americans is normal in islamic society. Welcome to ignorance and stupidity of islamic multiculturalism.”
No racism here! How could anyone even imagine?
gravenimage says
More from “Rod”:
“Muslims would violently riot if he were to enter the country”
Perhaps they think Mr Spencer is a racist. But what would they know, when you know so much better?
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Note that “Rod” is unable to say how Robert Spencer is racist. Note, also, his accepting that Muslims have the right to violently riot if they do not like someone exposing the violence of Islam.
More:
Sorry gravy (sic), you just don’t make sense, like your fellow racists.
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What have I ever said that is racist? Note that, as with Robert Spencer, “Rod” is unable to cite anything.
Note, further, that he cannot say in what way opposing Muslim Pakistanis murdering Christian (or Hindu, or Sikh) Pakistanis is racist, since they are all the same ethnicity. *That* is what doesn’t make sense.
More:
“Gang violence is responsible for most gun murders in the USA” I assume the murdered people end up dead, jut as murdered people always do. So, as I said, lots of Americans (dare I say, many of them Christians), are murdered year after year, by other Americans. Why so eager to criticise others who, rather less often, kill Christians?
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Of course, the implication that I am for Christians–and anyone else–being murdered by gang members in the US if I oppose the murder of Christians–and anyone else–being murdered in Pakistan makes no sense whatsoever.
Moreover, in my post of Jul 6, 2020 at 11:59 pm, I actually lead off my comment with “I oppose gang violence”, so the idea that I do not is obviously false.
Then, the idea that Muslims murdering Christians world-wide should be ignored because it is not as prevalent as is gang murder in the US is questionable at best. The BBC has said that murders of Christians in Africa alone are at “near genocide levels”.
More:
But I do need to understand why you think the ongoing epidemic of violence in US society, so different from the society in my country and so many others, is somehow more acceptable because “Christians are not targeted for their faith”. Do your judges and juries take this peculiar view into account in determining sentences? Or pardons? For murder? Or is this weird idea just another aspect of your racism?
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Of course, I never said that this violence was acceptable. In fact, I have, obviously, said just the opposite. And no, I have never said that murderers should get light sentences for murdering people. What claptrap. It is, in fact, in places like Pakistan that Muslims get light sentences or outright pardons for murdering Infidels.
And how is my believing that murdering Christians is bad “racist”? There are Christians of every ethnicity.
More:
I have never sneered at victims of jihad. This silly allegation is yet another lie, or as seems increasingly obvious, another example of your struggles with English comprehension.
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What rot. “Rod” regularly sneers at the victims of Jihad, including on this thread.
Yet more:
From Political Oracle, July 4, 2020
“Wait and watch as islamic fascism begins to eat out the substance of freedom and life in American society. What weird to Americans is normal in islamic society. Welcome to ignorance and stupidity of islamic multiculturalism.”
No racism here! How could anyone even imagine?
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Firstly, I am not familiar with Political Oracle–the implication that I have cited this publication is quite false. I tried looking up this publication and have been unable to find anything. If this is an actual publication, why doesn’t “Rod” link to it?
I tried Googling the quote, and also found nothing.
Then, what does this quote–assuming it is accurate; uncertain, given the poor grammar–say that is racist? It talks about Islamic society–it does not cite any race or ethnicity at all. Islam is not a race–it is an *ideology*. And how is this wrong? Pious Muslims regularly say that Western values are not compatible with Islam, and that Islam must replace them, violently if need be.
Does “Rod” have a problem with the growing violence of Islam in the West?
Not so he says.
gravenimage says
Ah–I see that Political Oracle is a poster here. I did not cite any of his comments. He did make a grammatical error, but then corrected it.
But again, he has not said *anything* that is racist–he did not mention race at all. Why would “Rod” want to pretend that he has? Because he’s got nothing else.
mortimer says
The word NAJIS is in the Koran – Specifically, Koran 9:28 says that those practicing Shirk(wrong worship) — namely, al-Mushrikun — are “filthy” (najasun).
Shirk in Islam is anything that compromises strict monotheism, which includes Christians believing Jesus is God, or Jews believing Ezra is God (though the Muslims were incorrect on this of course), or even Christians respecting their monks too much.
Among things that are najasun (plural of najis, translated variously as “impure” or “filthy”) are the following:
*dirt
*human urine and feces
*other liquids that come out of private parts (presumably including sperm)
*excrement from animals
*menstrual blood
*dog saliva
*dead animals
*donkey’s flesh
*the foul smell that accrues on a long hem of a woman’s abaya over time from contact with the dirt
*the urine from a breast-fed baby
*kafirs
And these are not merely “dirty” things for physical hygiene — they directly relate to a Muslim’s “purity” during prayer.
gravenimage says
Grim but true, Mortimer.
Keith O says
Let me get this straight Mortimer,
“other liquids that come out of private parts, including sperm are filthy”.
Does that then mean that, due to basic biology, sperm being needed to produce babies, that all humans, including the “best of people” are impure???
I would REALLY love to tell that to some of these so called scholars.
It would mess with the one or two brain cells they have.
mortimer says
To Keith O: Sharia law manuals go into enormous detail about ‘najasa’ (impure things), Look up Reliance of the Traveller on line. Muslims are obsessed with ritual purity. Sexual touching requires ritual washing before prayer meetings. If a man touches a woman in any way, he must wash with water, but he may use ‘clean’ dirt if water is not available, thus showing the women are dirtier than dirt in Islam.
DH says
Unless there is a high body count Muslim offences will be ignored by most of the news media. There is no attempt at proportionality and the up-selling of right wing “crimes” is rampant. The almost total abdication of fact checking in “hate” crimes involving Muslims is just more proof that the unavoidable bias in reporting is now an unchecked normality, maybe even an expectation. My personal grievance is the racist way the U.S. media won’t even bother to take a passing glance at the atrocities occurring across an immense and culturally rich part of the World, namely Sub-Saharan Africa, on an almost DAILY basis.
Walter Sieruk says
As in the days of Nehemiah when he and his men were busy in the reconstruction of the walls around Jerusalem and the Arab became furious and indigent at this at this grand project of the rebuilding of the walls. Neh 4:1 and they thus despised the Jews , Neh. 4:4 ,and schemed terrorist attacks against them.
So the Jewish men set up watch for such attacks, Neh 4:8, therefore ,on this watch they set up guards to be ready for those terrorists attacks , Neh 4;16.
Likewise, in this twenty –first century in areas of the world, as the Middle East and Indonesia, Christians need to be “on watch and stand firm” First Corinthians 16:13.,as to be on guard from jihad-minded Muslim terrorist attacks against Christians .
For Christians together compose the symbolic body of Christ, Ephesians 1:13. 5:30.
Furthermore, it should be made known that the Muslim terrorists who engage in the persecution of Christians will not get away from the punishment of God for their wicked actions. As seen in Romans 14: 12. First Corinthians 3: 16, 17. Galatians 6:7.
Political Oracle says
The ICCPR allows mobs, like these muslim zealots do in Pakistan, to set up shop in closed communities. They shut out society like pack animals and not even taught what freedom really means. Their ignorant imams are their teachers whom are also their defacto governors. Wait and watch as islamic fascism begins to eat out the substance of freedom and life in American society. What weird to Americans is normal in islamic society. Welcome to ignorance and stupidity of islamic multiculturalism.
Political Oracle says
Correction: What is considered weird to Americans…
gravenimage says
Pakistan: Muslims murder Christian for buying a home in a “Muslim-only” neighborhood
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Just horrifying–yet there will be little coverage of this violent segregation.
Moreover, the Pakistani authorities will do nothing to punish these Muslim murderers.
Ron Blower says
They moved there?
After the “harassing”, they stayed there?
How many incidents of “harassing” were there?
More than one(1) its implied.
Still, they stayed?
Really…
WTH did he expect?
gravenimage says
Christians are under threat everywhere in Pakistan.
To sneer at the victim is pretty disgusting.
Rod says
From the Tampa Despatch:-
“Despite several members of Khan‘s family being arrested in connection with the incident, he still remains on the run, and the police are hunting him.”
Believe it or not, murder of a Christian is a crime in Muslim Pakistan.
Mr Spencer forgot to mention this. I wonder why. You should be able to work it out.
gravenimage says
Here is Pakistan denying that Christians are ever targeted for violence there, despite their being kidnapped, raped, forcibly married, forcibly converted to Islam, arrested for “blasphemy”, and murdered outright there:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/25/pakistan-plays-down-accusations-christian-persecution
“Rod” is a big fan.