The UK is beginning to see firsthand the dangers of Islam. London’s Speakers Corner used to once be a place of freedom and conveyed liberty and democracy. Citizens from all walks of life could come and debate or present speeches without the fear of being abused or having their freedom of speech censored. However, Speakers Corner has now metamorphosed into a Sharia No-Go Zone.
The video shows a Christian woman, Hatun Tash, who was very peaceful. She wanted a debate on Islam with the jihadi YouTuber Ali Dawah; in response, he cruelly moved the chair away when she was about to sit, and she fell on the ground. Just imagine if the roles were reversed: this would have aroused outrage on social media, but the misogyny Ali Dawah displays here won’t.
Ali Dawah is a popular Islamic apologist. He is also known for radicalising a jihadi who wanted to behead Tommy Robinson. Ali has very extreme views and thinks it is wonderful that under an Islamic caliphate, apostates from Islam would be killed, blasphemers would be killed, homosexuals would be killed, women who have committed adultery would be stoned to death, child marriage would be allowed, and the list goes on and on. He is proselytizing for Islam among a large amount of non-Muslims daily, presenting Islam as a tolerant religion. Yet his tolerance didn’t show very well here.
This is only a small glimpse into what Islam will do when it conquers. When Islam dominates, the freedom of speech will be a thing of the past. Those who criticize Islam will be put to death, as mandated in Qur’an 5:33: ‘Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment’. This will be the consequence of Islam gaining hegemony; the problem then will be much larger than it is now.
We see how Ali Dawah throws Hatun onto the floor because she was critical of Islam. Under Sharia, jihadis such as Ali would pronounce the death sentence upon those who criticize Islam. Hatun is a very peaceful Christian woman. She is very knowledgeable about Islam, and this is why Ali Dawah got angry, because he doesn’t like his religion being exposed. If we observe Islamic countries such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, just to name some, the punishment for insulting Islam is death. This is what will be coming to America, the UK and Europe soon. Only a few years ago in Pakistan, a woman named Asia Bibi was jailed for years and sentenced to death because she had supposedly insulted Islam. I hope Hatun gets justice. Her YouTube channel is called ‘DCCI Ministries’; she makes very good videos exposing jihad.
Mike says
here you go lefties
mortimer says
The Leftists have encouraged this sort of behavior for sure, but now the Muslims will turn on them as the Trotskyists have turned on the Leftists. The Trotskyist/Islamic Axis will go after moderate liberals now … and de-platform them too.
They are not ‘extreme’ enough.
curious says
@mortimer, you might want to review your Soviet history. It was the Bolsheviks who turned against Trotsky and his supporters. Trostsky fled to Mexico City, where Stalin had him murdered.
mortimer says
curious, In the past year, I did that, and now know a fair bit about Trotsky and his followers. STALIN was the crafty fox who seized power from Trotsky and his devotees. There was little difference between Mensheviks and Bolsheviks. The issue was the speed at which the takeover would occur. It eventually became a choice of LEADER after the illness and death of Lenin. The foxy STALIN figured out how to manipulate the bureaucracy to get the job done. The USSR started and continued to export revolution. From 1930 onward there have been many different Trotskyist movements. There are dozens of Trotskyist movements operating today. In the US alone we find: Socialist Alternative, Socialist Action, Socialist Equality Party, Freedom Socialist Party, Fourth International Caucus, Internationalist Group, Refoundation and Revolution, Spartacist League, Socialist Workers Organization, League for the Revolutionary Party, Socialist Organizer, Spark Revolutionary Workers League. Trotskyists are involved in Antifa.
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Communist Workers Party is deeply involved with Antifa and BLM
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/27075-news-flash-to-media-antifa-is-communist
The Communist Workers World Party (WWP) provides key support to Antifa efforts. Like the RCP, the WWP is a hardcore, unapologetic communist organization with a long history of violent “protest” and rioting. While the RCP true believers channel Mao, the WWP have chosen Bolshevik death-dealer Leon Trotsky. In an editorial in the third issue of the party’s publication, International Workers Day, the group proclaimed, “We are THE Trotskyists. We stand 100% with all the principled positions of Leon Trotsky, the most revolutionary communist since Lenin.” On August 14, two days after the deadly Charlottesville mayhem, WWP cadres led a similar attack that toppled a statue of a Confederate soldier in Durham, North Carolina.
Clearly, they were hoping to provoke a riot similar to the lethal Charlottesville melee. Among the WWP Trotskyists arrested were Takiyah Thompson, Ngoc Loan Tran, Dante Emmanuel Strobino, Peter Gull Gilbert, and Raul Jiminez. The WWP is holding a “#Do It Like Durham” Workers World Party Forum in New York City on October 14, featuring Takiya Thompson and Ngoc Loan Tran. Thompson, who climbed the Confederate statue in Durham, North Carolina on August 16 and put the rope around its neck that was used to pull it down, has become something of a celebrity among the “progressive” Left, since a video of her “heroic” exploit went viral.
curious says
@mortimer, thank you for replying with links. I appreciate the additional information, and will read more widely about the topic.
john smith says
Mortimer,you know your stuff alright,you really are a true scholar.
gravenimage says
+1
Carl -stealth Infidel- says
Mortimer,
Devise a theme, write a book on freedom. The avoidance of social slavery.
At least, write articals for Jihad Watch.
You’re a library of freedom! Yes sir, you got the stuff!
mkcowan says
Parachute the fool into Taliban Afghanistan…allow him one parachute…which is faulty..
mortimer says
Ali Dawah doesn’t want Muslims to know the Koran is a contested texts and that ‘THERE ARE HOLES IN THE NARRATIVE’ … that’s because ordinary Muslims CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAzAEDuMMzM
Truthful Speaker says
You are pushing something which you have no understanding of and if you have no understanding of the Quran along with its science you putting this video here is a waste of your time. Well of course if your goal is to continue misleading people than I guess it serves your purpose. Now what you should have done is post more content on the subject itself instead of a fragment that does not tell the whole story which cannot be done in a video that someone would sit and watch for the amount of time needed so people would get a half of an understanding on just the ahrufs. Of course the Quran is a contested text but not for the reasons you are hoping for. Study the history, well learn arabic 1st and then you will get a real understanding behind the issue which is really no issue. You cant lack the core knowledge in this area and think because you come across something like this video that you can draw a conclusion. Hey believe what you will and don’t gamble with your soul, we are all promised death and that is all that is guaranteed in this life.
gravenimage says
Truthful Speaker wrote:
You are pushing something which you have no understanding of and if you have no understanding of the Quran along with its science you putting this video here is a waste of your time. Well of course if your goal is to continue misleading people than I guess it serves your purpose…
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Note that this poster is unable to cite anything that Mortimer has gotten wrong–no surprise there.
More:
…Study the history, well learn arabic 1st and then you will get a real understanding behind the issue which is really no issue.
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Actually, *very few* Muslims read classical Arabic. It is highly unlikely that “Truthful Speaker” himself does.
Than, any text can be translated. It is notable that every English translation of the Qur’an is virtually the same, save for minor differences in word choices. The Qur’anic Corpus shows translations of Suras side by side, and proves this. And these were translations made by Muslims and Infidels, those supportive of the text and those critical of it–yet they are virtually identical.
The fact is that the Qur’an is *hideously violent*. Pretending that the problem is every English translation ever made is absurd.
More:
You cant lack the core knowledge in this area and think because you come across something like this video that you can draw a conclusion. Hey believe what you will and don’t gamble with your soul, we are all promised death and that is all that is guaranteed in this life.
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Does this Mohammedan have a problem with is coreligionist throwing this Christian woman on the ground? Not so he says.
*Very telling*.
AnnChristine says
Our lives are becoming a miserable fight with Islam——There can never be an argument with them Their Brain Power is limited———They need to be locked up and put in straight jackets until we can arrange for them to be shipped back to Middle East!!!
mortimer says
Dear AnnChristine, if you look into this issue more deeply, you will find that the ‘preservation’ issue is getting under the skin of Muslims around the world, including those who have just posted below. They are clinging to a bush on the side of cliff and the roots of the bush are starting to pull out of the rocks in which they are growing. The claim that Allah perfectly preserved that Koran is now universally seen by scholars to be false.
Muslims see that the lie of ‘perfect Koranic preservation’ has been shamefully rehearsed to them by the mullahs. Muslims will feel tremendous RESENTMENT when they discover their mullahs have ALL LIED about this scholarly issue.
AnnChristine says
Thamkyou for the information I have read of this and hope it will be sooner than later
It would be a relief to many Christians to know our lives and the future for those who have not been born will be brighter than it is now—-
Eleanor says
mortimer, This is not true. Those Muslims who love violence, in the name of Allah, will still love violence, come what may!
Mr K.Wade says
Agreed. Islam and its adherents will NEVER end their violence, no matter the propaganda.
roberta says
Im in the same camp. The allure of muslim superiority, and their ”allah given right” to do whatever cruelty they desire will hold them to this crazy religion.
Another thing, what the 3rd world still recognizes and too many in the west no longer can clearly see (Might means right)
Truthful Speaker says
you know the same can be said for warmongering christians who are consistently pillaging countries for their wealth & resources and have not stopped for hundreds of years. I guess that its ok if there is a uniform behind the violence right?
J Morgan says
Go complain to the Chinese about their, “consistently pillaging countries for their wealth & resources and have not stopped for hundreds of years.”
gravenimage says
This is sadly quite true, Eleanor.
With all respect to Mortimer and his fine scholarship, his constant claims that all Muslims–including the very worst Jihadists–are all poised to leave Islam any minute now is just not borne out.
gravenimage says
What is the ludicrously self-styled “Truthful Speaker” babbling about now? Likely he is castigating Infidels for daring to defend against Jihad terror.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Is “Ali Dawah” a real name? It sounds about as real as “Joe Proselyter”.
mortimer says
A stinkweed by any other name would smell as rancid.
Ali Dawah shows the true face of supremacist, brutal, misogynistic Islam.
Allah fubar.
Chistopher Watson says
And we allow this filth into our country. Speaker’s Corner is a unique place in the world where anyone can say what they like and put forward any view without fear of physical attack. But of course, due to their low intellect these arabs do not understand this. And Johnson is letting in more every week.
Donovan Nuera says
It used to be EVERY street corner in the US was a “Speakers’ Corner”…. but not any longer…
mortimer says
Hatun Tash is one of GREAT HEROES of this century. Thanks to her work on the DIFFERENCES BETWEEN 37 DIFFERENT ARABIC KORAN VERSIONS, Muslims worldwide have been deprived of their triumphant argument that there is only one unchanged Koran. There are clearly MANY DIFFERENT KORAN TEXTS IN ARABIC and the text has been CONSTANTLY CHANGING for the last 1300 years since the Koran suddenly appears out of nowhere after Abd al Malik.
Hatun Tash has substantiated that the Arabic Koranic IS NOW a CONTESTED TEXT and it always WAS a CONTESTED TEXT. Hatun Tash is one of the most influential people in history.
Conclusion: A) the Koran claims that Allah will guard the text from changes. B) we see the Koran has constantly changed and evolved and has not stopped evolving yet C) the claim of Koranic preservation is shown to be false D) therefore the Koran is false and Islam is false E) Islam is proved false, so Muslims may leave it with confidence.
curious says
@mortimer, as Charles Blow wrote, “Religion is not defined by logic. It defies it.” You wrote that “Muslims may leave [Islam] with confidence”, but that does not imply they would leave. One reason is because the Islamic penalty for apostasy is death. Other reasons include identity and emotion, which have a much more powerful influence on decisions than logic does.
mortimer says
curious, my word ‘may’ implied what you said I did not imply. Clear now? Religion belief is anchored in a number of criteria and reason and critical thought are important. In Islam, the role of the inbred family keeps many from leaving, but most Muslims families now have an apostate. They admit it. As the cognitive dissonance increases, so does apostasy.
curious says
Thanks @mortimer for replying. I had associated your comment with prior comments where you said Muslims leave “instantly” on learning the Koran is of human origin. If you meant only that some might leave Islam, then I agree, though I think they tend to have personal reasons (e.g. Aayan Hirsi Ali) that contribute more than logic does.
Muslims are the dominant group in Muslim countries, persecuting all others. Few people quit the dominant team to join a persecuted group, so apostasy remains mostly ‘in the closet’.
I hope apostasy will increase, but as long as most apostates remain ‘closeted’, the apostates will remain weak and persecuted. There have always been gay people in most families, but that didn’t change laws or culture until Harvey Milk persuaded more people to come out. It’s difficult for apostates to speak openly in a place where they risk being killed for speaking openly.
yiyoya says
Homosexuality is not defined by logic or physical/biological/evolutionary reality. It defies it.
It is as difficult for a muslim to stop believing in his delusion as it is for a homosexual to stop believing in his.
“A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right.”
— Thomas Paine
curious says
@yiyoya, your ongoing falsehoods about homosexuality show that you continue to struggle with the topic.
Homosexuality has been observed in more than 1,000 species, and documented among human civilizations around the world going back millenia, which is to say about as long as recorded human history. It is both biological and conserved by evolution among many species including humans:
https://phys.org/news/2019-05-scientists-explore-evolution-animal-homosexuality.html
In contrast, religion appears to be a byproduct of human intellect. Humans evolved to see complex patterns, and sometimes that ability spills over to imagining patterns and agency that do not exist in reality, e.g. the ubiquitous conspiracy “theories” (delusions) that believers refuse to let go of no matter how thoroughly disproved. No other species shows any sign of any religion.
Again, if you are having so much difficulty with your homosexual activity, then please see someone more experienced who can help you, instead of making a fool of yourself as you have been doing.
Gee says
Yeah she is nice lady who edits Quran and makes copies to argue that the Quran is contested txt like the bible but every single Muslim person knows the Quran is one and always be one that’s what matters the most even God almighty said he will protect it, Quran (15:9). You can spread your lie all you want but there is no copies of Quran any where in the world except Hatun Tashe’s back pack. Wanna know more about Allah said about the Quran? (5:48) (6:122) (5:15) (4:82) (2:2) (75:19) (7:3) (10:109) (75:17) (5:44 )
In the Quran, Allah has completed His message and no one can change anything in it (6:34, 6:115).
jca reid says
Where are your witnesses? No corroboration. Just Mohammed saying so, doesn’t make it so.
FYI says
“allah’s message”?
Yes allah khayrul-i-makireena,allah the greatest of deceiver’s message of VIOLENCE HATE towards ‘infidels’ and DISOBEDIENCE to the official commandments of the Actual God YHWH
allah’s chief commandment?
“Belief in allah and Jihad is his cause”
muslim 1:149
That is the complete OPPOSITE to Chief Law # 1 Deuteronomy 6:4-9
“Love thy neighbor” Chief law #2 Leviticus 19:18?
Not in islam..!
“Oh you who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends they are friends to one another” k5:51:this coupled with al walaa wal baraa makes it impossible to ‘love thy neighbor’ in islam especially if he is a Jew{=’to be hated and despised’ koran 2:65 or “the WORST of created beings”koran 98:6,i.e Jews,Christians,polytheists etc}
That is the complete OPPOSITE to Chief law #2 Leviticus 19:18
islam and the koran violates the entire Law of Moses and the teachings of all the prophets.
if allah teaches the OPPOSITE to the Laws YHWH gave to Moses then obviously not only is allah the diabolus simius Dei but he is in opposition to YHWH{like baal is to the God of Israel in I kings 18 v 20}
allah’s ‘message’..allah {hu baal}..
A Doctrine of HATE al walaa wal baraa
{allah MISSED the Golden Rule and the 2nd chief commandment of Lev19:18 and Genesis 1 v 27{humans are made in the spiritual image of YHWH which is God’s revealed name,not ‘allah’}
A discriminatory religious Apartheid system
{muslims{“the best community” koran 3:110}versus non-muslims{Jews and christians”the WORST of created beings” koran 98:6}hostility to ALL non-muslim beliefs}
Endless jihadism and violence[allah’s chief commandment]
A ‘holy’ koran that violates every single commandment of God{permission to steal etc koran 48:20 etc} gives permission to hate via al walaa wal baraa
A god who does not permit final penitence koran 4:18 and thus cannot be said to be merciful and who sends women to hell for the crime of being ‘TAKFURNA’but it isn’t a sin to be ‘ungrateful'{Sahih muslim 241}
A god who gets Christian THEOLOGY ludicrously wrong{koran 5:116;MARY is in allah’s misunderstanding of the Trinity} and Astronomy/science in his ‘perfect’ book.a book of which allah says if you find any errors in it,it cannot come from God{koran 4:82}but from ‘other than allah’..and lo and behold we see the koran has HOLES in the narrative and ERRORS in it which shows it to be false by allah’s own criterion of koran 4:82.
A god who is linguistically challenged and insists he can only be understood through Arabic {koran 41:44}yet claims to have revealed himself in the Torah{koran 2:87}which was revealed in..HEBREW.
Either muslims are willfully obtuse,logically challenged,evil like this demonic creature ali dawah or plain stupid if they cannot see that all these HOLES in the narrative of islam. show it to be a false creed with a false prophet,false scripture,false god.
HINT#1
A god who admits to being a champion deceiver k3:54;allah “khayrul -i-makireena”
HINT#2
A ‘prophet’ who admits to being a FALSE prophet[al tabari 6:111} and who proved it by the manner of his death{according to the koran 69:43-44,according to the Bible Deuteronomy 18:20, a book which allah CONFIRMS k3:3}
HINT#3
A ‘holy’ book so full of errors it can be said to be holey.A book which by allah’s own criterion of koran 4:82 can only come from ‘other than allah”:it is entirely man made.
allah’s ‘message’ of evil and violence,muhammed the self-confessed false prophet,the koran’s instructions to violate every known Law of Moses and the teachings of all the prophets.The holey koran is not worth the paper it is written on!
islam: a house of cards built on shifting sands in an Earthquake zone
mortimer says
Gee, you lose. The issue is now resolved by international scholarship … the KORAN TEXT IS CONFUSED WITH MANY THOUSANDS OF VARIANTS and no way to tell which is correct. Not all variants have yet been found and a CRITICAL CORPUS of Koran variants won’t be complete for a while. When it is complete, it will completely destroy Islam.
MOHAMMED NEVER APPROVED THE CAIRO TEXT that you use !!! It was created in 1924.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnn7XNHCtq8
mortimer says
“THE STANDARD NARRATIVE HAS HOLES IN IT” – MUSLIM SCHOLARS ADMIT THEY ARE LYING ABOUT ‘PERFECT PRESERVATION’
Muslims scholars admit in PRIVATE that the Koran is corrupted but lie in public
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d225z-Yn0vk
Raja says
Thank you Mortimer, the great for the video. Even Leftists seem to be in agreement about the conflicting stories.
mortimer says
Gee, hey fellow, here’s an ISLAMIC scholar who admitted that there are “HOLES IN THE NARRATIVE”!
Photographic PROOF That There Are Different Arabic Qurans! (Featuring Yasir Qadhi …) Yasir Qadhi admits he is HIDING the textual problems from ordinary Muslims … that is, Qadhi admits he is lying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFo6footeQg
Truthful Speaker says
Why not focus on the lie that is christianity that Yeshua aka Jesus aka Isa never taught or told anyone to start after he left earth nor did he tell anyone to make up a book called the bible with countless additions & subtractions in it. Note the the Injeel is not the bible, it means the gospel given to Jesus
gravenimage says
Does “Truthful Speaker” have any problems with the savagery in the foul tome? It seems not.
And he means that because the barbaric Qur’an is nothing like the loving Gospel that Muslims have the right to slaughter them. Ugly, ugly stuff.
golem2 says
The Quran is a book of hate. Nothing more, nothing less.
Raja says
Mohammad and Jesus are just opposites. One is a lie an offshoot from a wicked ancestor (Genesis 16:12) another who was God in human form. Is it rocket science to understand this? Those belonging to the perpetually-hostile gang are more likely to struggle with it.
gravenimage says
The Qur’an is viciously violent–that seems to be the way Gee likes it.
And does he think that this Muslim thug is “protecting” Islam by brutalizing this peaceful woman? Barbarians.
J Morgan says
Humiliating, tormenting the kafir. It’s just what a Muslim Apologist would do.
mortimer says
Yes, JM, their phony mask of civility always slips. It’s all a trick of some sort in Islam.
Muslims even lie and dissemble to each other.
gravenimage says
Yep.
mortimer says
Muslims like Ali Dawah and Erdogan are awakening a sleeping giant in Europe and filling him with a TERRIBLE RESOLVE.
The historical critique will demolish Islam.
Soon the number of Muslims leaving Islam will grow exponentially.
mortimer says
Many thanks to Faisal Malik for this superb gem of writing: “This is only a small glimpse into what Islam will do when it conquers.”
Thanks so much for this article, Mr Malik.
gravenimage says
Agree with Mortimer, Mr. Malik.
Truthful Speaker says
Statement of ignorance & pure misguidance. Did you know your eyes, ears and lungs work due to the laws of Islam? Did you know the orbit of the earth around the sun is due to Islam because it is doing what The Creator designed it to do? Islam started long before humans were put on this earth and it will be here long after we are gone & this earth is gone. You should educate yourself & stop being misled by satans whispers.
gravenimage says
In other words, if you believe in loving your neighbor as yourself, Muslims believe they have the right to murder you. *Ugh*.
James Lincoln says
Hatun Tash could have easily suffered a serious back injury. Lumbosacral strain/sprain, even a compression fracture.
She should see a physician immediately – and get everything documented – for possible legal action against Ali Dawah.
Wellington says
No surprise, James, that your proffered medical advice is dead-on accurate.
Ah, if only the West in general would have been all along dead-on accurate about Islam. Which it was until lately.
Alas, over the past half century or so it has not been. This serves as a testimony yet once more to arguably the stupidest era in Western history—begun in the 1960’s with the narcissistic, hippie culture (with perhaps the self-important “beat generation” preceding this) and as evidenced by such “monstrosities” as the Beatles (yeah, the Beatles were musically talented but this is far outweighed by their overall destructiveness—“Imagine” by John Lennon, steeped in self-righteousness and overall foolishness as it is, serving as a case in point) and the idiotic 1969 Woodstock “phenomenon.” (Show me a person who thins Woodstock a positive and I will show you a fool.)
From the 1960’s un-appreciation of Western Civilization, and rooted in narcissism disguised as something sapient as it was, to the cancel culture we are experiencing today, the thread is a relatively easy one to follow. And the ever parasitic Islam will take advantage of this indefensible descent of the West as much as it can. We do indeed live in the Age of Nonsense.
curious says
@Wellington, I think Woodstock “a positive”. I suggest watching the excellent documentaries about it. Libertarian farmer Max Yasgur and his kind neighbors in Bethel, NY, hosted 400,000 people, including providing food, for a 3-day event that came to define an era. I love John Lennon too, and “Imagine” is a wonderful song. Most people need hopes and dreams, and as an atheist, a song that says to “imagine no religion” should appeal to you.
Wellington says
“Imagine” is a stupid song, replete with kumbaya nonsense. It serves in musical form as an idiotic repudiation of the finest, not perfect but finest, political configuration ever devised by man, i.e., the nation state, which only runs well if four things are present: 1) democracy; 2) capitalism; 3) a decent legal system; and 4) a proper moral code.
Woodstock serves in microcosm as evidence of narcissism on steroids. Fitting that you don’t get this. It bespeaks volumes about you.
And the people who provided food, not to mention all the medical help that was necessary because of drug overdoses, were dispostive of the old order functioning well, the very order the rubes at Woodstock despised.
Man, you sure miss a lot, including the fact that I am not an atheist. Enough for now.
mortimer says
To Wellington and Mr curious: John Lennon was asked what the ‘deep meaning’ was in his ‘Imagine’. With modesty, John Lennon replied, ‘It’s joost a bloody SONG!’
curious says
@Wellington, thanks for replying.
You wrote previously that you were brought up Catholic and that you are “not religious in the least… Were I a Christian….”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/07/why-erdogan-converted-the-hagia-sophia-to-a-mosque-and-why-the-state-department-should-be-concerned#comment-2254585
That comment and others made me think you an atheist. I apologize if I read too much into what you wrote, but someone brought up Catholic who is now neither Christian nor “religious in the least” might be agnostic, so I should perhaps have inferred that.
I note also that you continue to insult millions of people, e.g. your comment above about a fool. Your style bespeaks much about you, but what says even more is your hypocritical whining about “courtesy” and civility:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/07/why-erdogan-converted-the-hagia-sophia-to-a-mosque-and-why-the-state-department-should-be-concerned#comment-2254848
If you are going to insult other people, then expecting courtesy from them is hypocritical and shows you miss a lot.
Wellington says
curious: Yes, I am an agnostic and my approach to a possible higher power is philosophical, not religious (after all, a Supreme Being is not just the domain of theology but of philosophy as well).
As for referring to some people as fools, I think there are many out there, indeed millions, and I have to call it as I see it. I think Muslims are fools for believing in the rot they do. But I don’t think Christians and those from many other faiths are fools because Islam is the only major religion that is totalitarian in its structure and ideology and replete with menacing aspects for the entire human race.
Many positions I do not accept but taken by other people does not lead me to consider such people fools. Christians are one such example. Old fashion liberals are another. People who enjoy golf yet another (I am favorable to the Mark Twain assessment of golf, to wit, it is a good walk ruined).
But I do consider also as fools Neo-Nazis, KKK members, Antifa members, Marxists (Marxism is as much a prescription for genocide as are Nazism and Islam), AND those who are suffused with Leftthink, which is the newest totalitarian ideology to plague mankind (examples being AOC, Schiff and virtually everyone broadcasting at CNN and MSNBC).
As for Woodstock, it is emblematic of a generation at its worst that was narcissistic, misused loads of drugs, did not appreciate the many constructive achievements of the establishment and, in general, had an exaggerated notion of their own importance. In a way, I look upon Woodstock as symbolic of a generation, the baby boom generation, which was clueless about a great deal, though thankfully many from this generation finally got their head on straight, have, so to say, seen the light. Age tends to do this for many but unfortunately not for all. But Woodstock? Yuck.
If my considering many people fools bothers you, curious, this is not my problem. Stew over it though if you choose.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
I had to read your post a couple of times, upon careful reflection – and even being a music lover of many genres – I would say that I would have to agree with it.
The 1960s produce *some* really great music, although some not so much. Suffice it to say that classic liberals and even leftists can be very talented in art, music, etc., John Lennon’s “Imagine” being a classic example – and I agree with your assessment of the lyrics.
If John Lennon were alive today, he would probably support multiculturalism, BLM, and Antifa.
In all fairness, *some* of the music at Woodstock was well written and performed, but I agree that it was a negative strictly from a cultural standpoint…
Wellington says
I agree, James that the 1960’s produced some great music, but was it worth the cost to society at large?
Better a sound society and dearth of great music (besides, the greatest music ever written came long before the 1960’s) than the other way around. Indeed, some of the music of the 1960’s, cleverly written as it was, actually in some instances was instrumental (excuse the pun) in furthering or even inaugurating societal decline—like “Imagine.”
Ade Fegan says
vile serpents
tim gallagher says
Islam is the complete opposite of the wonderful western tradition, built up over many centuries, of freedom of speech. Islam is totally incompatible with all our western, civilised values and it is an exercise in futility allowing this vile, repressive ideology, Islam, into our western countries. Islam is nothing but trouble and is the complete opposite of our western values. Islam does not belong in our western countries. Of course, islam doesn’t belong in any non-Muslim country at all. The fascist lefties, Marxist enemies of our freedoms, are a big problem these days as well.
GG says
Western values? We more like Middle Eastern values
gravenimage says
Who is “we”? Certainly not civilized Westerners.
tim gallagher says
In the western world, we have had a large degree of freedom of speech. In the backward, primitive world of Islam, this type of freedom does not exist and never has and never will. Look at all those people in the Islamic world who are condemned for blasphemy because they step out of line. They often are killed for this terrible crime of blasphemy, that is, for disagreeing with the bullshit that Islam contains. Islam needs to be kept out of all non-Muslim countries. These days, without a doubt, there are also thuggish Marxist fascists who try to shut down and dissenting voices. Both Islam and the fascist left are trying to shut down diversity of opinion. It’ll be a terrible society if they succeed.
gravenimage says
+1
FYI says
ali ‘wanna share in the reward?’ dawah is a fraud and an imbecile with the intellect of a toilet brush.
{himself and muhammed hijab are the beavis and butthead of islamic apologetics.
There is a famous video on You tube ‘mohammed hijab vs christian prince full debate) and you can see how pathetic these halfwits are.Lying,SPITTING,turning off the sound to deny any response to a query etc.they have no interest in any debate:they just want to sell their false religion.
An islamic apologist is like somebody trying to sell you a square tire hoping you will fail to notice it is square when YOU know a tire should be round to work}
An islamic ‘debate'{vs atheists,ex-muslims,Christians etc} goes something like this.
1]”whahah ..oh you don’t know Arabic”{dawah folk don’t want to debate Arabic speakers}
2]islamic whataboutery:what about this,what about that,what about the Jews,what about christians etc?
3]Bringing up the Bible{which is funny as allah CONFIRMS it koran 3:3,koran 5:46-47}no doubt so they can accuse ex-muslims of being infidels.
4]Refusing to answer a question{like a politician},lying,constantly changing the topic..{like a politician}
5]Posting a video afterwards of how they won the debate{what ‘debate’ the atheists,ex-muslims,christians will wonder with great bemusement?}
usually with terms like GAME OVER,CAREER ENDED,DESTROYED,ANNIHILATED.
{note how many of these videos tend to be 3-4 HOURS long too..}
6]Going after ex-muslim ‘apostates'{the Murtads};the pathetic Parody accounts,the death threats,the vicious ad hominems{accusing one of incest seems to be the favorite one}.muslim apologists,unlike infidels are not very good at satire..I mean parody accounts:how sad is that?
Being a Murtad should be a badge of honor: well done to anybody who leaves islam,no matter what you do afterwards.You are perfectly entitled to be an ‘apostate’.
Miguel Ángel says
Your reply has caught my attention the most. Thank you. This heinous disguise for a religion is demonic & I haven’t as yet viewed the video; I have recently familiarised myself with social films and bob the great debater…I was brought up church of Scotland & it was very laid back, sunday school was more colouring in pictures of images of imagined imagery of God and all that is good in life: love ,kindness, forgiving, being a good person etc. These demons are indoctrinated and there is plenty of homosexuality and incest within this so called religion. I agree 100% with you; leaving Islam is probably one of the bravest thing someone can do. I know someone who escaped her family from west Midlands in england and enjoyed nothing better than a bacon roll for lunch. (We have a somewhat unhealthy diet in Scotland) but the serious side of it, she had traumatic experiences & had to escape that ghastly arrangement of marriage & worse. They seem to get more backwards as the years go on instead of moving with the times like everyone else – just look at the British royal family and Christianity who have moved to suit the times we live in. This evil cult of hate gets worse every year , why doesn’t the media print the truth. It baffles me why they get such special treatment for being so vile.
gravenimage says
Good post, FYI.
Niemoller says
He didn’t help her up when he stood over her; his hatred of women, non-muslims and especially uppity non-muslim women, runs very deep. This guy, Ali Dawah, is exceedingly evil; there is no doubt he will be first in line to behead and rape for Allah if the UK slouches into a failed state, which is what they want.
gravenimage says
He’s a nasty piece of work.
Here’s more on this creep:
“How Ali Dawah challenged Abdullah Sameer to a debate then ran away”
http://abdullahsameer.com/blog/ali-dawah/
He has a history of trying to intimidate women and others he considers vulnerable. He runs when faced with a strong debater.
curious says
Thanks for adding this information, @gravenimage
gravenimage says
Thanks, curious.
Crusader 666 says
The dhimmi British police allowed this vile creature to spew his sexist, racist, obscenities at Speaker’s Corner but If I, who have a white skin, said such things, I would be immediately arrested and charged with racism by the dhimmi Police.
When Tommy Robinson went to Speakers Corner to work out camera angles for a speech which he was planning to deliver, he was bundled into a police vehicle, denied bail, and without appearing before a Magistrate, was driven to a jail where even the Prison Guards do as the Muslim gangs tell them.
Free Speech in Britain is extinct. Unless, of course, you are a Muslim, in which case you can say ANYTHING without fear of trouble from the dhimmi Police.
abu taleb says
Muslims do not respect other people and women too. We can see that not only Ali Daqwah but also his supporters are bullying the non muslims. That is the real Islam.
tedh754 says
One has to be a sociopath to be a muslim.
gravenimage says
It doesn’t hurt…
James Lincoln says
tedh754,
Islam also *attracts* sociopaths.
By converting to islam, their behavior is suddenly acceptable to “devout” fellow muslims.
gravenimage says
Video from UK: Muslim YouTuber Ali Dawah Throws to the Ground Christian Woman Who Criticized Islam
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Damned thug.
And note that one of the police officers here has the mustacheless beard of Jihadists himself. Scary stuff.
Proud Kafir says
It is time the entire kafir world stood up to both islam and the leftists. Civilisation has no future otherwise. These kind of incidents are rampant in India. Particularly the Hindus have to realise that there is no future for their religion with islam and the left. If at there is any future for Hinduism or for that matter for civilisation, it is with Judeo-Christianity and with any religion or creed that supports freedom of thought, and not definitely with islam
Red Pill says
+1 India must protect their people!
4dmin says
Jesus Explicitly Repudiates Paul’s Interpretation
What Jesus Said…
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matt 7:21)
JESUS says “ONLY he who does the will of my Father” will enter the kingdom of heaven. This alone is enough to discredit the entire “sin atonement – belief only” concept promoted in John 3:16.
No more need be said; but because we know there are those who will not accept this obvious truth, we will say more.
JESUS does NOT say
“I will be crucified soon and will be resurrected three days later; this you will have to believe if you are to enter the kingdom of heaven“.
Since Jesus knew he would be crucified, he could have made that the condition for eternal life – but he didn’t.
J Morgan says
Actually, Jesus does prophesy his death and rising three days later. “They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.” And the disciples were filled with grief. Matthew 17:23
Also, For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28 “just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” Matthew 20:28
Matthew 26:32 He predicted that someone among his 12 disciples would betray him and regarding after his death he says, “But after I have been raised, I will go before you to Galilee.” After his death he was seen in Galilee. Jesus made many prophesies that came true. Jesus was obedient to God and did God’s will. “Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?” Matthew 26:53, 54
Ekondig G says
Not the first time for Hatun Tash, unfortuately. There was an attempt to hang her in the past according to Jay Smith. I don’t have the reference for which video it was, but one with both Jay and Hatun. She’s a hero, going back regularly to speaker’s corner in spite of the danger to her.
gravenimage says
Yes–she is a *very* brave woman.
Jayell says
Not far from where this video was filmed is London is Zoo. Many years ago, the zoo management used to put on a daily ‘Disneyland’ type show called ‘The Chimpanzees’ Tea Party’ in which they commandeered some of their unwitting inmates, appropriately dressed for the occasion, to enact an attempt at a polite, civilised, middle-class afternoon tea party with chairs and tables and plastic cups and saucers provided. Predictably, the whole ‘charming’ charade degenerated into total chaos, much to the amusement of the young audience at which it was aimed, as the reluctant ‘actors’ demonstrated their unfortunate inability to conform with the accepted basic protocols of polite human society. I have not consulted London Zoo’s website recently, but I believed that the management had had the decency to curtail this appalling excuse for ‘entertainment’ years ago. Then I saw this video, and just for a moment I wondered if they’d just switched venues.
FYI says
Maybe London Zoo could do with some new attractions:ali dawa “the islamopithecus fossil” and muhammed hijab “the perambulating ‘brush head’ islamopottamus”.
Chimpanzees are quite smart.orangutans too.Did you ever hear of the delightful Tal the Orangutan?
He’s on you tube.He plays the recorder and is an honorary member of the local musical society.
Since playing musical instruments is not haram in the Orangutan world that means he has…more freedom than a muslim.
Ouch!
OLD GUY says
The UK. is getting a look at muslims and the islamic future of their country. Muslims are extremely racist and will bring violence to the streets of UK. If they gain political control they will enslave and kill many.
Billy Chickens says
Read The Mosque of Notre Dame by Elena Chudinova to see Europe’s future.
Old Fat Bald Socially Inept Ron says
Speaker’s Corner, where lovers of superstition meet every Sunday to engage in pointless arguments.
My god is better than your god. My holy book is better than your holy book. My crucifix is better than your beard. My niqab is better than your yarmulke. My Paradise is better than your Heaven. My polygamist genocidal pedophile, thieving war lord, is better than your passive, peaceful miracle worker.
Silly humans?
gravenimage says
Ron–with all respect–I think you are missing the point that it is Muslims who are violently imposing their beliefs. No other faith does this.
R Thomasson says
Islam is compatible to cancer. If it is not treated on time, it is over and out.
Gee says
Most of you here dislike Islam but the question you need to ask your self is? if Islam is false religion then why is it growing too fast? If it’s not protected by define power wouldn’t it disappear from the face of the earth long time ago? Why is Quran so easy to memorise? You guys keep on mixing up the verses that came down during time of war to normal verses but clearly you guys blinded by hate so learn the Quran before you just start hating friends. Thank you
J Morgan says
I think Islam grows because of a high fertility rate among Muslim born. Also, forcing unbelievers to live in humiliation is another reason, the pressures are too great for some people. Then there are the forced conversion “marriages.”
In the West, we have pervasive ignorance spread by an increasingly radical left wing, which causes some people to believe that Islam is a peaceful religion and many people want to virtue signal that they are not racist people. It is also a form of rebellion for some young people to join Islam.
I am a Christian, so I prefer to memorize the Bible, thank you.
I love Iblis says
There is no normal verses in the shitty Quran you idiot. Its all about hatred.
gravenimage says
Gee wrote:
Most of you here dislike Islam but the question you need to ask your self is? if Islam is false religion then why is it growing too fast?
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I like *that* slip of the tongue–“too fast”, indeed.
Coronavirus cases are growing pretty fast, as well–does that mean this is a good thing, as well?
Note that Gee here has no actual argument for why this savagery is a good thing.
By the way, about as many Muslims are leaving Islam in the West as new people are converting to it. Most of the growth of Islam in the West is due to the invasion of Muslims, not of conversions.
More:
If it’s not protected by define (sic) power wouldn’t it disappear from the face of the earth long time ago?
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What–is Gee admitting that Islam is so horrifying that it could never spread otherwise? The sad fact, though, is that there are quite a few people who like to rape children and murder innocent people. This is why the major place Islam spreads in the West is in prisons.
More:
Why is Quran so easy to memorise? You guys keep on mixing up the verses that came down during time of war to normal verses but clearly you guys blinded by hate so learn the Quran before you just start hating friends. Thank you
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Actually, most of us here are quite familiar with abrogation–it is the most violent verses that are those that abrogate the earlier, less violent ones. And how laughable is the term “time of war”, when it was the violent “Prophet” of Islam who started this Jihad against unbelievers?
And those who are most familiar with the vicious Qur’an are those most apt to realize the horrifying threat of Islam. I have read this foul tome five times now, in different translations. It doesn’t get any better…
And note that Gee *still* hasn’t said anything critical about his coreligionist abusing this woman. But then, why would he?
Marttheman says
The radical left and Marxists are the useful idiots for muslims. Even if they are siding with the islam now, once the battle against the free West is won (God forbid), then the left and Marxists will have to go. They claim not to believe in a god at all, do they? So they are abominable in the eyes of the muslims. One would sometimes wish to put both those groups on an uninhabited island and let them fight it out among themselves. That would save the free West a lot of hassle.
Rolf Wittwer says
The guy (in the DUNYA-Shirt) at the beginning and many others seems to be at least ISIS-Sympathisants and should be removed or properly controlled by according government institutions.
Very much possible that some of them are or will be soon involved in unpleasant actions against our western civilization.
Their aim is to destroy our free society by all means and install the absolute intolerante stoneage dictatorship.
Rob R (Brit stuck in Britainistan) says
This whole thing is utterly pathetic. Why would anyone bother attending such a person’s event and trying to argue with him about anything? Why would anyone go to London if that’s what happens there now.
Just look at the situation here:
Muslims push people over in a park and all they get is a ticking off, and the police give him a long-winded verbal slap on the wrist, full of needlessly conciliatory and windy language. More windy bullshit than a Neville Chamberlain speech.
Compare this with a year ago when a certain Mr. Robinson protested outside a court room and those dalek police officers were instantly throwing him in the back of a van (and then in jail)
This video shows you what a farcical and mind-numbing place the UK is to live right now, I am so sick and tired of being here, Mr. Spencer’s phrase is correct – “shattered, staggering, Dhimmi Britain”
Walter Sieruk says
One of the main reasons that that this Muslim man had thrown that Christian woman down to the ground when has criticized Islam is because Islam is so vary lacking in good valid sound reasoned based arguments to defend and uphold Islam. So that Muslim male felt that he had to resort of violent force in his “reply” to her criticism of Islam.
Furthermore, this is a reminder of this “War of Ideas” between the Christian West and the Islamic East .Likewise, this is a reminder of the 1979 movie of the title TIME AFTER TIME in which the hero of that movie said, “The First man to raise his fist is the man who has run out of ideas.”
So the violent Muslim man must have had been the one who had “run out of ideas.”