Dissident claims Chinese Communist Party pays Vatican $2 billion annually to keep shut [that is, quiet about the persecution of the Uighurs]. — June 29, 2020
That explains it.
“China’s Genocide: Pope Silent, Prelates Speak,” by Jules Gomes, ChurchMilitant.com, August 11, 2020:
ROME (ChurchMilitant.com) – Pope Francis is being slammed for his silence on the genocide of Uighur Muslims after 76 religious leaders condemned China for a “holocaust” of its religious and ethnic minorities.
Two Asian cardinals, a British Catholic bishop and high-profile Catholic priests joined Orthodox, Anglican, Jewish and Muslim leaders in publishing a statement on Friday blasting China’s persecution of Uighurs as “one of the most egregious human tragedies since the Holocaust.”
Cardinal Charles Maung Bo, archbishop of Yangon, Myanmar and president of the Federation of Asian Bishops’ Conferences (FABC) and Cdl. Ignatius Suharyo, archbishop of Jakarta, drew attention to “the potential genocide” of “one million Uighur and other Muslims in China.”
The persecuted minority “are incarcerated in prison camps facing starvation, torture, murder, sexual violence, slave labor and forced organ extraction,” and “at least 80% of Uighur women of childbearing age” are subjected to “forced sterilization and birth prevention,” the statement said.
Global media and human rights activists noted the conspicuous silence of Pope Francis, Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby — a close friend of the pontiff’s — as well as prominent Muslim leaders.
“Pope Francis, in particular, speaks almost every week at the Sunday Angelus, and on many other occasions, about issues of injustice in the world. He has often addressed the persecution of the Rohingya Muslims,” Rahima Mahmut, head of the World Uighur Congress, told Church Militant.
“Yet there is one country whose human rights record he has not highlighted — China — and one people whose suffering he has not spoken about — the Uighurs,” the human rights activist lamented.
“The Pope is one of the world’s most influential and respected spiritual leaders, with a moral authority that can reach every corner of the globe,” Mahmut observed.
“We look to Pope Francis to take a stand, to speak out and offer his prayers and solidarity for the Uighurs facing what amounts to among the worst atrocity crimes since the Holocaust,” she urged.
“After the Holocaust, the world said, ‘Never Again.’ Today, we repeat those words ‘Never Again,’ all over again,” the statement stressed. “We stand with the Uighurs. We also stand with Tibetan Buddhists, Falun Gong practitioners and Christians throughout China who face the worst crackdown on freedom of religion or belief since the Cultural Revolution.”…
Islamic scholar Robert Spencer told Church Militant that “the allegations that the Vatican is being paid a massive sum by the Chinese government could hold the key to why Pope Francis is silent on the persecution of Uighur Muslims.”
“If they paid him, he might speak up on their behalf. But they do not, and the Chinese Communists do. His eye, in this case, appears to be squarely on the bottom line, not on the humanitarian concerns he speaks out about so enthusiastically in other contexts,” the historian lamented.
In June, an Associated Press report confirmed that Uighur women were forced to undergo pregnancy checks and fitted with intrauterine devices or sterilized leading to a form of “demographic genocide.”…
gravenimage says
Francis, the ‘Pope of Islam,’ silent about China’s persecution of Muslim Uighurs
……………
Hard leftists seem to give China a pass here–dueling totalitarian creeds.
Ray Jarman says
++++++++1 As the saying goes, follow the money. Where is the outcry concerning the Christians in Nigeria? The silence is deafening.
curious says
The question is, how much were other “holier than thou” clerics and media paid to make wildly exaggerated claims on behalf of Uighur terrorists. The Uighurs are the descendents and cobelievers of marauding Muslims who slaughtered their way across Asia. They continue to advocate the same doctrine. They have continued to slaughter innocent Chinese including for example this mass stabbing at a train station:
https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/index.html
Unlike dhimmi countries, China is trying to protect innocent people from marauding Muslims.
PRCS says
“The Uighurs are the descendents and cobelievers of marauding Muslims who slaughtered their way across Asia. They continue to advocate the same doctrine.”
True.
And the Chinese are not going to allow the Uighurs, good Muslims that they are, to challenge their Communist government.
Leon Degney says
Your comment is spot on. The attack at the Kunming station was the final straw after years of putting up with these raving idiot’s terrorist antics enough was enough. They are far from being badly treated and are certainly NOT being persecuted. It is all bs Western propaganda.
Dick Zout says
Were these the same Uighurs who back in the late 80’s that were more than happy to put on the unifor
m of the CCP and go to Tiananmen Square to butcher the Huan Chinese that were protesting for freedom? I thought they were BFF’s. Not feeling the love these days I guess.
Matt says
Maybe the persecution is because the Chinese government officials read the Koran.
Camel says
No, the reason the Chinese government is establishing the camps has nothing to do with religion. As there is a sunni muslim han chinese minority called the hui who dont face that persecution. It’s because the uyghurs, just like in tibet live on land that’s extremely strategic for china’s interests, tibet being the Himalayan border with india plus its water supply through the rivers and Xinjiang leading directly to central Asia,through which China wants to make a new silk road to Europe. The problem lies with the fact that both the Tibetan and uyghurs people don’t see themselves as chinese and actively want independence.
gravenimage says
Muslim “Camel” here wants us to ignore the fact that Uyghurs have been waging violent Jihad against the Chinese.
I am *no* fan of the oppressive Communist Chinese, but they don’t deserve Jihad terror any more than any other Infidels do.
“China: Islamic jihadists murder 27, injure 109 in jihad attack at Kunming railway station”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/china-islamic-jihadists-murder-27-injure-109-in-jihad-attack-at-kunming-railway-station
“China: Knife-wielding Muslims attack police station, government offices, dozens dead or injured”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/china-knife-wielding-muslims-attack-police-station-government-offices-dozens-dead-or-injured
“China: Muslim murders eight in knife attack in Xinjiang”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/02/china-muslim-murders-eight-in-knife-attack-in-xinjiang
There are many more such ugly stories.
Note that the Tibetans are not waging violent Jihad–but I suppose “Camel” would tell us that *that* has nothing to do with religion, either. Does he have a problem with his faith’s diktats of violent Jihad? Not so he says…
curious says
+1 gravenimage, and thanks for the links to additional examples of the atrocities perpetrated by Uighur Muslims.
Even though Tibetans have a much better claim to western support, we hear much less about them in western media. That difference shows the influence of Petrodollar corruption.
BTW, I think “Camel” calls himself that so that his fellow Muslims will swallow his urine. He can’t understand why non-Muslims don’t.
gravenimage says
Agree, curious.
DearDiary says
That’s 2 billion dollars tax free. Probably exaggerated but China is so guilty of global witness tampering when it comes to their systematic and high tech suppression of their own citizens. Even Muslims are relatively silent about the Uighur. This is the real World either yawning or resigning themselves to the CCP’s unspoken “deal” with non Chinese governments, media, businesses, and politics; you shut up! We keep on making everything for you cheaply and even send cash.
Rufolino says
It appears that even the Pope can be bought with a little more than thirty pieces of silver.
If true, nauseating.
Kesselman says
The nature of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is evil. The CCP’s rule is the darkest and the most ridiculous page in Chinese history.—All the fascist rule means genocide in one way or the other: intent hunger catastrophe, physical elimination enlarge, or sterilization. The Vatican’s weakness towards fascism and Nazism caused a catastrophe for the Jewish people in the 1940s.—Two old players on the world scene. Who’re the wickets is hard to tell. They met in Hell.
gravenimage says
Actually, the Catholic Church was able to save more Jews than any other single body.
Wellington says
Absolutely correct, gravenimage.
Ray Jarman says
GI, To add to your comment, many more than FDR who only permitted one thousand Jews during the period from 1936 to 1946. Even Bill Moyers admitted that FDR was no help to the Jews who also said that most of the Jews were put into a holding area in upper New York. The movie, “The Ship of Fools,” highlighted the struggle of Jews to find a safe haven and Haiti accepted more than the US under FDR.
gravenimage says
This is sadly true, Ray–the US could have taken in many more Jewish refugees. Still, defeating the Fascists–which did indeed put an end to the Holocaust–has to count for something.
Wellington says
Kesselman: Pope Pius XII, working behind the scenes (though not always as his Christmas Address of 1942 reveals and which infuriated Hitler) saved more Jews than any other person in history, Jewish or non-Jewish. The figure is around 800,000.
Reconsider. BTW, I am not only not a Catholic, I am not religious at all, but the bastardization of Pius’s reputation stands as one of the greatest lies of the 20th century, as does the continued lauding of Mahatma Gandhi who was a racist (look at his statements about his time in South Africa), a hypocrite and a fool overall, as Winston Churchill knew only too well.
The denigration of Pius XII and the continued approbation of Gandhi only tends to prove the cynical view of the past as proffered by Napoleon, to wit, that history is a pack of lies agreed upon.
Reconsider matters. Please do so.
mgoldberg says
From Gandhi’s love letters to Hitler, by Seth Frantzman, 9/19/2008 Frontpagemag.com “…. None other than the worldwide spokesman for non-violence, Mahatma Gandhi, wrote letters to Adolph Hitler that were deferential in their tone and abhorrent in their implications. A 1939 letter was apologetically described by Gandhi as a “mere impertinence” and included the following signoff: “I anticipate your forgiveness, if I have erred in writing to you. I remain, Your sincere friend, Sd. M. MK Gandhi.”
In a letter dated December 24, 1940, Gandhi assured Hitler that he had no doubt of “your bravery or devotion to your fatherland.” Zionist appeals for Gandhi to support a national home for the Jewish people, meanwhile, fell on deaf ears, as he insisted that “Palestine belongs to the Arabs.” Not only did Gandhi reject the cause of a Jewish state but he20effectively echoed Nazi propaganda, as with his warning that “this cry for the national home affords a colorable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews.”
Even more supportive of Hitler were the Mennonites. In a letter dated September 10, 1933, the Conference of East and West Prussian Mennonites from the German city-state of Danzig wrote to the Fuhrer to express its “deep gratitude for the powerful revival that God has given our nation through your energy” and wished Hitler a “joyful cooperation in the up building of our Fatherland through the power of the Gospel.” If its enthusiasm for hosting Ahmadinejad is any guide, the Mennonite Church has learned little from this dark chapter in its past. On the contrary, the church’s alliance with the Iranian leader is an extension of its hard-line anti-Israel politics, which find expression in its funding of books advocating the so-called “right-of-return” for Palestinian Arabs – a policy that, if implemented, would mean the destruction of Israel.
One finds a similar antagonism for the Jewish State in the activism of the American Friends Service Committee (AFSC), the “peace” arm of the Quakers. As an example of what it calls “Quaker values in action,” the AFSC includes its campaigns to “challenge” American support for Israel. A supporter of the PLO, the AFSC not only backs radical anti-Israel groups like Zochrot but opposes Israel’s attempts to defend itself again
st Palestinian terrorism. That the Quakers are now willing to sit down to dinner with the man who has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the global map should not be entirely surprising.
By any reasonable standard, self-styled peace activists might be expected to condemn leaders who support terrorism and who unashamedly seek the destruction of other nations. But just as advocates of non-violence found a way to accommodate the genocidal designs of Adolph Hitler, so they have been willing to make peace with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. And just as Gandhi never expressed remorse for his “dear friend” letters to Hitler, its unlikely that these supposed believers in non-violence will break a dinner date with his Iranian heir.”
Wellington says
Thanks for your comment. Gandhi also encouraged European Jews who were being sent to the slaughter by Nazis to prove their moral superiority by way of passive resistance, not realizing that passive resistance only works with polities who have done wrong but who have the capacity to apologize for their wrongdoing and thereafter try to make a better world.
If Russia, China, certainly Nazi Germany, had controlled India instead of Britain, Gandhi would have been done away with early on (as Ho Chi Minh, another tyrant but an honest one, wryly noted).
What Gandhi really proves is the overall decency of the British Empire. This is lost on many and was certainly lost on that monumental nothing, Mahatma Gandhi.
gravenimage says
Wellington wrote:
Gandhi also encouraged European Jews who were being sent to the slaughter by Nazis to prove their moral superiority by way of passive resistance, not realizing that passive resistance only works with polities who have done wrong but who have the capacity to apologize for their wrongdoing and thereafter try to make a better world.
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Actually, Wellington, Gandhi was even worse than this–he was not just ignorant of what makes passive resistance efficacious–that is, a generally decent polity that is, one may argue, not living up to its own standards.
Here is some of what he said re the Jews and Holocaust:
“Hitler killed five million Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs. As it is, they succumbed anyway in their millions.”
And during World War II, Gandhi offered this advice to the British people:
“I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions… If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.”
I’m so glad the British at the time ignored this sick counsel.
Wellington says
Thanks for those quotes, gravenimage. Churchill despised Gandhi and with good reason. Gandhi is my choice for the single most overrated person of the entire 20th century. Arguably, Pope Pius XII is the most underrated person of the same century.
gravenimage says
Agree on both points, Wellington.
Note, also, that Gandhi has no words of admiration for the brave Jews who *did* struggle to survive–nor for the courageous people who put their lives on the line to aid them. Just sickening.
Rufolino says
What, actually, was Pope Pius’ “work being the scenes” which.saved 800,000 Jews ?
You don’t say. It sounds like highly important information.
Kesselman says
I’m puzzled too about Pious XII actual intervening?
Wellington says
Rufolino: There are many examples. For instance, Pius gave instructions to Angelo Roncalli, Papal Nuncio at various times to France and Bulgaria and the future John XXIII, to issue fake baptismal certificates to Jewish children to pass them off as Christians. He wrote directly to the dictator of Hungary, Admiral Horthy, to do all he could to save Hungarian Jews and again fake baptismal certificates were issued so that some 80,000 Hungarian Jews were saved. In Italy, he had many Jews placed in churches and Pius also saved many non-Jews, including a future Prime Minister whom Mussolini wanted dead by making him a keeper in the Vatican Library.
If you go to sites like http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org or http://www.catholiceducation.org, you can find information about all the heroic efforts Pius engaged in behind the scenes. Pius did speak out at times in thinly veiled language against Nazism but concluded that he could do far more good by secretly working to save untold numbers of lives. Jewish leaders at the time agreed with Pius’ approach.
When Pius died in 1958 he was lauded by the then Foreign Minister of Israel, Golda Meir, at the UN. Many tributes to Pius occurred at that time but in 1963 the very deceptive, actually downright mendacious, play, The Deputy, by Rolf Hockhuth initiated the lie that since Pius was mostly silent about Nazism he therefore was in league with Hitler. This complete inversion of the truth had traction until around 2000 when a revisionism of the revisionism thankfully started to occur to restore Pius’ reputation. If you just Google “Pius saved 800,000 Jews” you will see that a great deal comes up.
I am not religious in the least but the truth is the truth. And Pope Pius XXII deserves much credit for the extremely clever way he saved a huge number of lives. And it is not true that he was always silent. I already mentioned his Christmas message of 1942 which enraged Hitler. Pius, quite understandably, actually thought Hitler might kidnap him as Napoleon did Pius VII and make him a prisoner in some isolated location. Thus Pius kept a letter of resignation in his desk, which only a few close very close aids knew about, that should Hitler kidnap him, then effectively this amounted to an abdication by Pius and the College of Cardinals should then meet and select a new Pope.
The trashing of Pius by so many is indicative of how lies can be passed off as truth and become the “received wisdom.” So many times the received wisdom is dead wrong. It has been about Pius as well as about Gandhi, though in opposite ways.
gravenimage says
Fine post, Wellington.
Dan says
When are you guys going to stop flogging that dead horse.
It’s been proven over and over and freakin’ over, that Pope Pius SAVED Jews, so many in fact, that he was given a special award by the newly formed country of Israel.
If Pius was silent on Nazis slaughter Jews, there isn’t a snowball’s chance in H the country would have given him such an award, so that’s pretty much the ONLY thing you even need to look up, to blow this “Hitler’s Pope” bunk out of the water.
And I used to believe that too, until somebody CHALLENGED me to do some research.
Dan says
And I 100% agree that THIS pope IS guilty as charged in his situation.
gravenimage says
“Israel’s Vatican Envoy Praises Pope Pius XII for Saving Jews During the Holocaust”
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/1.5023625
Kesselman says
I thank you all for the very thoughtful comments on the Vatican’s role during the Holocaust. And I’m willing to consider my hard-line view on Pius XII. But it’s an undeniable fact, that Vatican priests such as the infamous Alois Hudal, Karl Bayer, and Battista Montini aided fleeing Nazis and their collaborators with shelter in monasteries until with a forged passport fleeing to South America.—Some say that around 650.000 Nazis involved in mass-murder in Europe escaped with the help of the Catholic clergy.
Wellington says
Kesselman: You are correct about some rogue priests helping Nazis but this was never authorized by the Vatican. And I am sure you will join me in condemning such traitors to Christian principles.
gravenimage says
Kesselman, I never said that there was no one in the Catholic hierarchy who aided the Nazis–just that the Vatican over all saved more Jews than anyone else.
It is still unknown how much the Vatican itself contributed or even knew about the “ratlines” aiding fleeing Nazis:
https://www.dw.com/en/the-ratlines-what-did-the-vatican-know-about-nazi-escape-routes/a-52555068
Wellington says
Hold on there, Dan. Did you bother to read my 4:58 P.M. post above? Or gravenimage’s 4:43 P.M. post?
Rufolino says
Given that he possessed all the information about what was happening, don’t you think Pope Plus should have made some PUBLIC statement about the catastrophe ?
People here are constantly bashing the Queen of England for not making some PUBLIC statement about Islamic immigration.
Was it then understandable for Plus, but not understandable today for the Queen ?
Wellington says
Is the Queen working behind the scenes to effect a reverse of current Muslim immigration policy? What has she done to thwart the ever lessening of freedom in the UK?
Pius did a HUGE amount behind the scenes to save lives. What has the Queen done? Besides, there are sometimes speaking out publicly would do much good and other times it would not. It is my conviction that a great deal of the nation, you know, the huge number of Brits who detest Muslim immigration and the way they have been forced into silence, would rally around the Queen were she to just speak the truth. And my God, Prince Charles has actively and regularly lauded Islam—how disgusting.
gravenimage says
Rufolino, Pope Pius lived in a Fascist state–if he had spoken openly he would almost certainly have met with a timely ‘accident’. In fact, few who were able to save Jews during the Holocaust spoke out openly about it–and they likely would not have been able to save *anyone* had they done so.
Are you saying that Britain is so far gone that it is itself a Fascist state, willing to murder its own Queen if she dared to speak out? Actually, things are *not* so far gone in Britain today that people need be publicly silent if they want to be able to oppose the Islamization of the UK.
And are you implying that Queen Elizabeth is somehow working behind the scenes to save Britons?
mortimer says
At least some Christian clerics are taking their prophetic role seriously and condemning the abuse of Muslims in China.
I hope they will also denounce the abuse of Christians by China, N. Korea, Pakistan, Nigeria and other Muslim-majority countries.
Kepha says
我百分之百同意!
kepha says
So, Pope Francis is one more power out to betray Taiwan, where his flock is free to practice its faith and build institutions, for some crony-capitalist shekels from an ostensibly Marxist-Leninist regime. His is the First Church of Saint Simon Magus.
As for the Uighurs, this sort of thing has been coming for a while. Already, in the 1990’s, when I lived in Guangzhou, the resitiveness of Eastern Turkistan was there for anyone to see. Totalitarian decay, ethnic separatism, the perception that Big Brother is mortal after all, Islamic resurgence, and the fate of China’s nuclear proving ground were all at stake back then, and the MSM in the USA was far more interested in Madonna’s cup size and who in the entertainment and sports worlds were sleeping with whom.
I frankly cannot weep when the world’s last, best hope for 20th century totalitarianism finds itself in trouble, even if I hold no candle for Islam. Indeed, remembering Beijing’s loud “anti-colonialism” (please, don’t look too closely at Tibet and Eastern Turkistan!) hurled at the USA, I engage in a bit of Schadenfreude. But, at the end of the day, I see Beijing giving France a lesson on how it might’ve kept Algeria. While the world will squawk at what does indeed appear to be a genocide, I have my doubts about what the world will do to a power that has grabbed a lot of the world’s economy and has nuclear weapons into the bargain.
As for the Uighurs, I can only say they were decent enough to a wandering Westerner out to buy their raisins, melons, bread, and kebap; perhaps even appreiative that people from outside their country were listening. I do not wish a genogide on them. I will also assure all and sundry that after China has guranteed its hold on Eastern Turkistan by making it cease to be a Turkistan, it has a grudge with the rest of the world. Frankly, judging from Beijing’s dismay when the USA started making its own ventilators, and the threats hurled by its puppet Adhnon Teodros Gebreyesus of WHO, I wouldn’t be surprised if Beijing deliberately let loose the COVID-19 virus in an attempted global coup.
john smith says
Everyone here knows, Islam’s ambition is conquest and domination of the entire world. Sooner or later the world will have to wake up and confront this evil. As Beverly pointed out, “killing people for body parts is just wrong.” So true.
Unbeknown to them, Muslims are pawns in Satan’s game, and fighting evil with evil is not the answer.
However Islam has to be confronted one way or the other, or the world is doomed.
Charles Lavin says
Thereby hangs the tail …the parasitic colonisation by stealth , refugeeism , and by terror , are the islamic forte …
While I believe all should be allowed their spot in the sun , definitely not for the mullahs ,imams , their pawns and their bloodthirsty ways ….
Rufolino says
“Killing people for body parts” is much more than, “just wrong”.
It is spitting in the face of God the Creator.
john smith says
Agreed, thats a much better way of putting it.
gravenimage says
Both Communism and Islam are utterly horrifying.
J Morgan says
The Chinese have been killing, imprisoning and torturing Tibetans since 1950 and still do and BJ Clinton gave them Most Favored Nation trading status anyway. President Trump is the only one who has stood up to China to get a more fair deal for America. The Pope is silent on everything important. He is a huge disappointment. Him and his phony compassion for rapefugees.
john smith says
True Beverly, killing people for body parts, and using them for slave labour is just wrong.
ELI says
Yeah, just genocide those Muslims instead of using them for body parts!
You guys lost it a long time ago. There is so much casual hatred here that the moderate is the guy who advocates for a mass killing but without the “bad” slave labor and organ removal.
What do the hardliners advocate on here?
Wellington says
This site points out regularly all the many heinous directives found in Islam, such as death for apostasy (e.g., Sura 4:89) and the allowance for the beating of women (e.g., Sura 4:34), such as no other major faith allows.
And just since 9/11 there have been over 37,000! documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide done in the name of Mo’s creed. And you think people here at JW who criticize Islam are the problem? Well, you reveal far, far more than you realize.
Deal with the many horrible dictates of Islam. Start from this premise and then proceed to Muslims acting badly in the name of their warped creed on a daily basis.. If you don’t, you are at best ignorant, at worst mendacious. Till then, you will make no headway with anyone of sense and knowledge here at JW.
tim gallagher says
I find both Islam and the Chinese regime loathsome. The Chinese regime treats any people who step out of line at all appallingly. They persecute Christians and any other people who don’t fall into line with the power crazed, totalitarian regime. Both Islam and China’s regime are garbage. China’s regime intends to dominate the world. They have recently crushed Hong Kong. Taiwan will be next. The Chinese regime is a repulsive regime and is a danger to all decent democratic countries, or, rather, it will eventually turn out to be once it really gets rolling in its attempt to dominate the world. Knowing that the Muslims have carried out their usual terrorist activities in China just as they do everywhere else (following their stinking Koran’s instructions), I can’t muster much sympathy for the Muslims in China or anywhere else. I also thought that Burma was doing the right thing when it threw out its Muslims a few years back. They were probably fed up with the usual garbage behaviour from the Muslims in Burma. I have no time for this Pope. It is a wonder that he isn’t attacking China’s treatment of its Muslims since he (seemingly knowing nothing about Islam’s nature) thinks Islam is so peaceful.
PRCS says
Both the Chinese government, and Muslims–around the world, have the same goal.
To dominate the world.
Both are evil, but only one will prevail in communist China.
tim gallagher says
PRCS, I am a very strong believer in our western democratic societies. To me, both the totalitarian, totally inhumane Communist regime in China and the whole of Islam, this barbaric load of garbage, are loathsome. Both ideologies can go to hell. You are right when it comes to China. They will obliterate Islam in that country. Here in Australia, many people are waking up to the fact that China is going to be a gigantic problem in our area of the world. China is also our biggest trading partner. Australia is a giant quarry and we sell iron ore and coal to China to fuel their industry. It is a difficult situation. China could probably bury Australia economically and yet we can increasingly see what a thuggish, vicious regime runs the place.
PRCS says
Tim,
“China is also our biggest trading partner. Australia is a giant quarry and we sell iron ore and coal to China to fuel their industry. It is a difficult situation.”
That ‘biggest trading partner’ situation is not limited to Oz, of course. Likely not a country on the planet whose foolish corporations and uninformed individuals haven’t, contributed to China’s economic growth and the huge military power needed to realize their expansionist intent with every purchase, large and small. of Made in China products.
Kesselman says
I agree! When all is said the ideology of Islam and the Chi-nazi regime are as plague and cholera.
gravenimage says
Alien vs Predator…
Leon Degney says
(” is a danger to all decent democratic countries”) How many ‘decent democratic’ countries are there?
gravenimage says
Are you implying that everywhere is as bad as are Shari’ah crapholes, and that we have to roll over for the horrors of Islam? No thank you…
Mitch Kumstein says
Francis doesn’t seem to care about Christians or Catholics in Muslim countries, why worry about the conflict between two supremacist totalitarian ideologies…………..”faites vos jeux.”
PRCS says
“two supremacist totalitarian ideologies”
True.
faites vos jeux
Mine’s on the Chinese.
They have the guns.
I love Iblis says
No sympathy for Uighur pigs who supports and joins terrorist organizations like Turkish Gray Wolves and ISIL. Down with the Uighur pigs.
Tony Naim says
Does Robert Spencer believe Christians in general and Catholics in particular are not persecuted under communist rule in China?
It is a shame to sidetrack from political Islam to spew personal hate on a Pope he clearly dislikes.
The next Islamist suicide bomber will not show any discrimination whatsoever between Greek Orthodox, Jews, WASP ,Catholics or atheists.
Both Communism and radical Islam are totalitarian, neither has any respect for personal freedom . At least communism is receding, the days when communists were spreading their ideology through violence are gone.
Whereas Islam is growing by leaps and bounds in the US. All over the land, mosques keep on preaching a discriminatory ideology of hate.
Instead of focusing on the effort of Islamic reform, Robert thinks the problem is with Pope Francis!?
gravenimage says
Tony, Robert Spencer has *never* said that Christians are not persecuted in China.
And Spencer regularly writes about the Jihad threat to Orthodox Christians, Jews, Protestants, Catholics, and Atheists. Surely you have been reading here long enough to have noticed this?
I know you are enraged at him for daring to say anything critical of Pope Francis, even though the pontiff’s cringing appeasement of Islam is actually *very* harmful. This is not anti-Catholic–most Popes have not been like this, especially not historically. And he has certainly not restricted his criticism to the pontiff, but has also exposed the same sort of thing from those of other faiths, and none.
FYI says
@Mr Naim
Take a look on you tube
The Seven Heresies of pope francis
francis famously said that the muslim god allah{who CURSES Christians for believing in Jesus Christ koran 9:30} is the same as the Christian God when clearly this cannot be so.
You are in denial.You don’t want to see the truth about this ‘pope’.you appear to have an almost idolatrous devotion to the office of the papacy.It is either through blindness or willfull ignorance of reality that prevents you from seeing he is a false shepherd.francis is widely condemned within the RCC for his errors.Did you miss the various official condemnations of francis for heresy etc by Theologians and a few faithful clergymen?The mcccarick case?All those heresies he has introduced into catholicism?Many catholics believe he is false.
You have no idea what has been going in Rome have you?
But then ‘there are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see’:that appears to be you Mr Naim.
You REFUSE to see as it doesn’t suit you to see.
As for ‘personal hate’:you sound like the lefties.It has nothing to do with hate.francis is a bad pope.
francis IS a false shepherd:You just don’t want to accept the facts.The willfully blind never do.
somehistory says
This evil, over-dressed wolf would speak up if the moslims in China were being denied something…entrance into private homes, for instance, if the “culprits” were people claiming to follow Christ Jesus.
He speaks up when it serves him personally…**slap that hand that dared touch him,** or when it can be hurled at Christians.
This slime doesn’t really care about the moslims either. If he did, he would do more speaking against the evil things done to wo men and children by their moslim captors. He would have something to say about the demand in Iran, and elsewhere, regarding the full=body and head coverings for females and the bondage and rape that takes place all over the world wherever moslims can get away with the kidnapping of little girls for their evil lusts of the flesh.
And if he cared even a little bit about the lives of molsims, he would not tell them lies, but would give them whatever opportunity afforded to hear the Truth from God’s Word. But, he doesn’t care and he does not know the Truth, much less love the Truth or our God and Father and/or His Son, Jesus Christ.
The pope is a “false shepherd,” a “wolf in sheep’s clothing,” a “whitewashed grave,” “a dirty cup,” “a viper, serpent, snake,” a selfish, egotistical a demon-worshipping creep, who does the “desire of his father,’ satan the devil..
No Muzzies Here says
This man is more attached to Marxism than to Islam. He is willing to turn control of his church in China over to a Marxist regime. It looks like the real power in the world is China. Not Russia. Not the USA. Not Islam.
Mauricio says
Sorry fellows but it does sound like good news to me. Aren’t the muslims doing always this same thing: keeping their mouths shut with all the persecutions and killings of Christians they make?! I think that the Pope and\or China are giving them a little bit in return…