The soccer team’s new jersey juxtaposed with the new threats against Ahadi shows clearly the direction in which Germany is heading. What will it be like for critics of Islam, and for everyone, in ten years?
“1-0 for 1.FC Cologne? Islam critic Mina Ahadi receives new wave of death threats,” translated from “1: 0 für den 1.FC Köln? lsamkritikerin Mina Ahadi erhält neue Welle von Morddrohungen,” Journalisten Watch, August 16, 2020 (thanks to Medforth):
For Mina Ahadi, chairwoman of the Central Council of Ex-Muslims and a well-known critic of Islam, the situation of danger increased again last month. Including nine telephone death threats. Does that bother 1. FC Köln with its jersey advertising for Erdogan’s Islamic dictatorship?
With death threats and terror, groups try to silence those who think differently, as well as critics – including the chairwoman of the Central Council of Ex-Muslims and well-known Islamic critic Mina Ahadi – in Germany. Ahadi is a thorn in the side of the Iranian regime and of Muslims because of her work as a human rights activist and dissident.
Ahadi has been campaigning against the Islamic regime in Iran for 41 years. This includes her commitment against the headscarf requirement, against stoning and against the death penalty. It was precisely for these reasons that she was sentenced to death in absentia in Iran. Since 1990, she has continued her work for human and women’s rights from abroad, and with the help of millions of people around the world, has managed to organize a successful campaign that through pressure put an end to the stoning in Iran. In addition, it was possible by public pressure to save from their execution several people sentenced to death, according to the website of the ex-Muslims.
The fact that a woman stands so loudly and courageously against political Islam at all levels is difficult to bear for reactionary and misogynistic organizations and governments, but also for the Muslim around the corner. Mina Ahadi is repeatedly the target of attempts at intimidation or even death threats.
The right signal from the federal government would therefore be to better protect human rights defenders, especially in their own country, so that they can carry out their important work without restrictions and the constant fear for life and limb, the ex-Muslims continued.
In view of this situation of risk, the current Islam appeasment by 1.FC Cologne is a slap in the face of all those who speak out against Islamic dictatorships. 1. FC Köln, however, finds nothing wrong in showing the German DITIB central mosque on its new jerseys and sells this to its fans as “multi-cultural tolerance”. The mosque shown is not just any forest-and-meadow mosque. It is not just any DITIB mosque, either. It is the headquarters of all German DITIB mosques, which were founded by the Turkish “Presidium for Religious Affairs” (Diaynet), which reports directly to the Turkish Islamic despot Erdogan. (SB)
Wellington says
Islam is so pathetic that it can’t take any criticism. It must threaten when criticized and this is a partial indicator of how woeful Mo’s creed really is.
Jaydam says
+1
James Lincoln says
Wellington says,
“Islam is so pathetic that it can’t take any criticism.”
100% true, and that’s one of the main reasons why it remains so pathetic.
All organizations or individuals should in fact *welcome* constructive criticism – even if it goes down hard and challenges egos. It allows an organization or individual to improve through process assessment and improvement.
Successful companies like, say, Toyota have developed a continuous improvement culture.
https://www.reliableplant.com/Read/10817/toyota-continuous-improvement
But you knew that already…
Wellington says
Thanks for that link, James. Islam could learn from Toyota (but it won’t).
curious george says
James Lincoln says
All organizations or individuals should in fact *welcome* constructive criticism – even if it goes down hard and challenges egos. It allows an organization or individual to improve through process assessment and improvement.
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The key word is “should.”
From my experience “constructive criticism” is rarely welcome, especially when it pertains to politics and religion.
“Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.”
– Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
curious says
+1
The backwardness of the Islamic world results partly from the Islamic prohibition against criticizing or changing Islam. Churchill called Islam a “retrograde force”, and many have observed that the Islamic world remains largely trapped in the Bronze Age.
Yet Islam is an Arabic word that means “submission”. The entire point from the start was to subjugate as many people as possible. By that measure, the dead charlatan Mohamad succeeded beyond his most psychopathic dreams.
People and companies that westerners consider successful have achievements that westerners respect, e.g. building better products and making the world a better place for humanity.
Since Islam is all about enforcing submission, Muslims respect and insist upon the power of Mohamad. He is the idol whom they worship. It is to Mohamad’s corpse that Muslims bow down to pray 5x/day. Of course the Islamic world would be less backwards if Muslims could accept criticism of their dead charlatan Mohamad and his hateful fraud of Islam and improve it, but that would not be Islam.
For Muslims, Allah becomes an extension of their own egos, forgiving their sins and making them powerful and immortal. People tend to believe what they want to believe, and it is rare for believers to renounce power and immortality.
guenter says
what mr. spencer does not mention in his article -for public like u- is the fact, that this wellknown critic of Islam and founder of the councils of ex-muslims is also since decades a leading member of the workercommunist Party of Iran, as i told u some time ago. he must hide that fact cause it would contradict his constant Claims about “the” leftwing to be pro-Islam, ignoring the many who are not at all.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer doesn’t mention that Ahadi was married, nor that she is opposed to male circumcision, either–nor what her favorite ice cream flavor is. It is not possible to cite everything about a person in every article.
The idea that Spencer is “hiding” this is of course absurd.
Muslims are targeting Ms. Ahadi because she is an apostate and critic of Islam–they would likely send her death threats if she was a conservative Christian just as much as her being a communist Atheist.
One can condemn a person getting death threats–that does not mean that one has to agree with the victim on all political points.
guenter says
my funny following-me gravenimage: even u cant be that stupid(?) for not knowing, that hiding an political Information is not the same than not mentioning her favourite icecream. in any other circumstance (lets say, if mina had lead a demonstration against police-violence) he had mentioned it in hope to discredit. —-its HIGHLY RIDICULOUS to consider it as accidental that he didnt mention that. u know very well that he never did mention if islamcritics had an leftwing background and also denies the existence of them- same as you do.
gravenimage says
No, I am not “following” guenter–I just read and comment on most of the threads at Jihad Watch and ran across his posting his claptrap here.
And again–not mentioning every aspect of a person is not “hiding” it. As I noted, Ahadi would be targeted for being an apostate–it does not particularly matter to ravening Muslims if an ex-Muslim has left Islam for Christianity, or Communism, or anything else–is guenter trying to claim that this is not the case?
And leading a demonstration against the police is not necessarily linked to Communism–or to Islam. What is guenter even trying to say here?
And the idea that Robert Spencer never mentions when critics of Islam are on the Left is ridiculous–he has featured stories here on Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, and Sam Harris here, for instance.
gravenimage says
And will guenter condemn this Jihad savagery? So far it doesn’t look like it.
guenter says
my Little nonsensical gravenimage with the highly demagoguel Talent to Twist words and meanings around and argue against things never said: NOW YOU ARE TRAPPED IN LIES. “it does not particularly matter to ravening Muslims if an ex-Muslim has left Islam for Christianity, or Communism, or anything else–is guenter trying to claim that this is not the case?” i know the muslims would also hunt her if she was a conservative Christian and never said otherwise. , but when i informed u first about mina ahadi, u didnt say it doesnt matter for what reason they hunt her. you didnt apreciate her work at all (only when spencer says so) but replied that commies would only fight the Islam in Iran to establish their own dictatorship. you Forgot? and may i remind you that the US created the mudjahedin in Afghanistan -forerunner of taliban and ISIS- to fight the “leftwing” govt of A. in this time? Seems that THEY didnt understand, that the islamists didnt fight this govtm for a “communism” which didnt excist, but because they did send the Girls to School? means, they also had fought a pro-capitalist govtm and any non-Islamist govtm. and thats why after they overthrowed the leftwing govtm they turned against their creator . as i had predicted it in talks with german conservatives and rightwingers who also rushed to A. in Support of this islamists. they laughed about me but once again i remained right.
gravenimage says
More from guenter:
my (sic) Little nonsensical gravenimage with the highly demagoguel (sic) Talent to Twist words and meanings around and argue against things never said: NOW YOU ARE TRAPPED IN LIES. “it does not particularly matter to ravening Muslims if an ex-Muslim has left Islam for Christianity, or Communism, or anything else–is guenter trying to claim that this is not the case?” i (sic) know the muslims (sic) would also hunt her if she was a conservative Christian and never said otherwise. , but when i (sic) informed u (sic) first about mina ahadi, u (sic) didnt (sic) say it doesnt (sic) matter for what reason they hunt her.
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Wow–guenter keeps getting creepier.
As for Ahadi, Muslims are targeting her for being an apostate, as I noted. None of those threatening her have mentioned Communism as a motive that I have seen. If guenter has information to the contrary, he should supply it. As always, I won’t be holding my breath, though…
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you didnt (sic) apreciate (sic) her work at all (only when spencer (sic) says so) but replied that commies would only fight the Islam in Iran to establish their own dictatorship.
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Is guenter demanding that I “apreciate” Communism? Why? I do indeed appreciate Ahadi’s bravery in leaving Islam–her embrace of Communism, not so much.
The Communist Tudeh Party in Iran in fact allied with the Mullahs to bring down the Shah, and did so because they hoped to impose their own creed on the nation. Then, as soon as the Mullahs consolidated their power, they savagery turned on the Tudeh Party and liquidated most of its members. The claim that the Tudeh Party fought Islam there is actually *quite* false.
A good–albeit harrowing–book on the subject is Houshang Asadi’ “Letters to My Torturer”. I can sympathize with the victims and what they suffered without ergo liking Communism. I’m not sure why guenter is unable to grasp this.
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Forgot what? What is guenter babbling about here?
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and (sic) may i (sic) remind you that the US created the mudjahedin in Afghanistan -forerunner of taliban and ISIS- to fight the “leftwing” govt of A. in this time? Seems that THEY didnt (sic) understand, that the islamists didnt (sic) fight this govtm (sic) for a “communism” which didnt (sic) excist (sic), but because they did send the Girls to School? means (sic), they also had fought a pro-capitalist govtm (sic) and any non-Islamist govtm (sic). and thats (sic) why after they overthrowed (sic) the leftwing govtm (sic) they turned against their creator . as i (sic) had predicted it in talks with german (sic) conservatives and rightwingers who also rushed to A. in Support of this (sic) islamists.
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No, the West did not create the muhehedin–why is guenter again claiming that Jihad was crated by the ‘filthy Infidels’ of the West? Certainly, Americans and other Westerners were foolish in believing that these were freedom fighters. Sadly, very few understood the threat of Islam at the time.
But the claim that the Soviets set up a “pro-capitalist govtm” makes no sense at all–why would a Communist government do such at thing?
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they laughed about me but once again i (sic) remained right.
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Does guenter actually have any problems with Islam? Mostly he is just babbling about Communism and his hatred of those who don’t follow this totalitarian creed.
guenter says
HER LATEST REPLY DOES ONCE AGAIN EXPOSE GRAVENIMAGE AS AN PROFESSIONAL LIAR AND A STUPID ONE TO: NOWHERE I SAID THAT MINA WAS THREATENED FOR HER COMMUNISM: AS ALWAYS SHE JUST UNDERSTANDS WHAT SHE WANTS TO UNDERSTAND.
ALSO SHE IS SO STUPID TO MIX THE TUDEH-PARTY OF IRAN WITH THE “WORKERCOMMUNIST PARTY OF IRAN” FROM MINA AHADI WHICH ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT PARTIES AS I ALSO SAID WEEKS AGO.
THIS WOMAN IS A HELPLESS CASE OF NOT-LEARNING AND NOT UNDERSTANDING; PERHAPS AN PSYCHIATRIC CASE.
ALSO I DID NOT WRITE THAT THE PROSOVIET REGIME IN AFGHANISTAN IN 1979 WAS A PRO-CAPITALIST ONE- I WROTE FOR ANYBODY TO SEE THAT THE ISLAMISTS HAD ALSO FOUGHT ANY OTHER TYPE OF GOVTM (“ALSO A PRO-CAPITALIST ONE”) WHO HAD SENT WOMAN TO SCHOOL- WHILE THE USA DID INSTALL THE MUDJAHEDIN TO FIGHT THE GOVTM OF 1979 AND LATER STUPIDLY WONDERED THAT HER CREATION TURNED AGAINST THEM
ACTUALLY I TOLD HER WEEKS AGO TO LEARN READIN OR GET NEW CLASSES
ITS NOT WORTH TO WASTE ANY MORE TIME WITH HER- she seems to be a housewife who has enough time to learn demagogy, twisting words and meaning around. arguing against things never said and wasting much time for fantasy replies about things and meanings which happened only in her sick fantasy.
gravenimage says
Now guenter is ranting in ALL CAPS, making him appear more unhinged than ever.
He wrote:
HER LATEST REPLY DOES ONCE AGAIN EXPOSE GRAVENIMAGE AS AN PROFESSIONAL LIAR AND A STUPID ONE TO: NOWHERE I SAID THAT MINA WAS THREATENED FOR HER COMMUNISM: AS ALWAYS SHE JUST UNDERSTANDS WHAT SHE WANTS TO UNDERSTAND.
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Then why is this important? Robert Spencer noted that Ahadi is threatened for being an apostate, and this is indeed the case.
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ALSO SHE IS SO STUPID TO MIX THE TUDEH-PARTY OF IRAN WITH THE “WORKERCOMMUNIST PARTY OF IRAN” FROM MINA AHADI WHICH ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT PARTIES AS I ALSO SAID WEEKS AGO.
THIS WOMAN IS A HELPLESS CASE OF NOT-LEARNING AND NOT UNDERSTANDING; PERHAPS AN PSYCHIATRIC CASE.
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The “Worker Communist Party of Iran” is not actually in Iran–Ahadi has fled to Germany. The Communist Tudeh Party was indeed in Iran itself, and far from fighting Islam actually allied with the Mullahs until they turned on them. This is actually quite salient–can guenter say how any of this is not the case? Of course not.
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ALSO I DID NOT WRITE THAT THE PROSOVIET REGIME IN AFGHANISTAN IN 1979 WAS A PRO-CAPITALIST ONE- I WROTE FOR ANYBODY TO SEE THAT THE ISLAMISTS HAD ALSO FOUGHT ANY OTHER TYPE OF GOVTM (“ALSO A PRO-CAPITALIST ONE”) WHO HAD SENT WOMAN TO SCHOOL-
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When did the Americans fight a pro-capitalist government in Afghanistan? What?
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WHILE THE USA DID INSTALL THE MUDJAHEDIN TO FIGHT THE GOVTM OF 1979 AND LATER STUPIDLY WONDERED THAT HER CREATION TURNED AGAINST THEM
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The muhahedin already existed. As I noted, the West was indeed dangerously naive in assuming that their fighting against the Communists ergo meant that they were any sort of freedom fighters.
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ACTUALLY I TOLD HER WEEKS AGO TO LEARN READIN OR GET NEW CLASSES
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Given how illiterate the above is, this is just hilarious!
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ITS NOT WORTH TO WASTE ANY MORE TIME WITH HER- she seems to be a housewife who has enough time to learn demagogy, twisting words and meaning around. arguing against things never said and wasting much time for fantasy replies about things and meanings which happened only in her sick fantasy.
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How so? Citations, please.
Rufolino says
Threats and abuse always indicates that the opposition has lost the intellectual argument.
James Lincoln says
+1
mortimer says
Ahadi is a brave lady and one with a mission. It is unacceptable in the 21st century to have a religion of threatening bigots menacing the world. It’s time for people of conscience to insist that Muslims either swear to accept Western human rights codes or that they leave the West and return to Berzerkistan where they may wallow in their 7th century backwardness.
mortimer says
Upon entering Western countries Muslims should be asked to swear to forego barbaric practices, such as fgm, the apostasy death sentence, taqiyya, polygamy and child marriage. If they want those things, they may choose Berzerkistan.
curious says
Donald Trump said correctly that actual Muslims should not enter at all. Possible Muslims should be required to renounce the dead charlatan Mohamad and all of his works, including his hateful fraud of Islam. The Koran can’t realistically be banned, but billboards can proclaim its falsehood.
gravenimage says
But Mortimer–that would be “Islamophobic”…sarc/off
guenter says
mortimer, when 3 months ago u ranted about “leftwingers all Support Islam”. then i made u a list of leftwing persons and organisations who fight the Islam since Long (not since our refugee-wave in 2015). u ignored that and didnt know an answer, as it is the case with 99% of the rightwingers when confronted with the real Facts. among my list was mina ahadi,whom i know, struggling against Islam since the iranian rev. 1979- same as i did since then. also she founded this councils of ex-muslims, comitees against stoning and death Penalty. and also since decades she is a leading member of the iranian workercommunist Party. when i told u about her, u didnt give a damn, cause ur prejudice against all leftwingers was stronger. it did first Need a posting of mr.spencer, that u called her a brave lady, lol. but if he had mentioned her Position as a leading communist u wouldnt had said this, right? trapped in double-Moral. (p.s.: iam also a brave islamfighting leftwinger since 41 years).
gravenimage says
No–this was not three months ago–it was just last month:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/07/germany-passengers-offered-psychological-counseling-after-muslim-migrant-murders-his-wife-on-bus#comment-2255335
His claim that Americans taught Jihadists to scream “Allahu Akbar!” is especially bizarre.
And I have no problem with working with those Anti-Jihadists who are left of center, few though they may be–I am left of center on many issues myself. But embracing the horrors of Communism in favor of the horrors of Islam–both totalitarian creeds–is another matter.
guenter says
“His claim that Americans taught Jihadists to scream “Allahu Akbar!” is especially bizarre.”—my Little silly Darling gravenimage, you “forgot” that this movies and Videos who showed the american Military Trainers of the Afghan islamists, shouting allahu Akbar , did run all over the world. i saw this in german tv at the beginning 80´s , when our Helmut kohl- govtm. was best friends with USA. i told u this just some weeks ago. leaving the mentioned proof out for ur stupid Readers, SHOWS YOU AS AN PROFESSIONAL LIAR.
How man more times u wanna make an laughing stock out of urself? may i remind u, that within months u was unable -till now- to find my comments in jw? in any sane Website u was already laughed away; only the dumb rightwingers here dont care what u babble, as Long as it is directed again an leftwinger.
may i also remind you that i never justified a single Horror of the crimes which happend in the Name of communism? (our difference was only about the defination of communism and if stalinism was communism or anticommunism, cause Stalin murdered all communists.) again: PROFESSIONAL LIAR.
so, when u now praise mina ahadi u dont wanna wrongly blame her to fight islamism only to establish another Horror, as u claimed some time before? so many contradictions with you, Darling….what a sweet lil Girl u are.
and why do u always speak on behalf of mortimor? (also my first posting once here was directed at mortimor, but u rushed in and overtook).. is he to stupid to reply himself or is mortimor another idendity of yours?
gravenimage says
guenter wrote:
“His claim that Americans taught Jihadists to scream “Allahu Akbar!” is especially bizarre.”—my Little silly Darling gravenimage, you “forgot” that this movies and Videos who showed the american Military Trainers of the Afghan islamists, shouting allahu Akbar , did run all over the world. i saw this in german tv at the beginning 80´s , when our Helmut kohl- govtm. was best friends with USA. i told u this just some weeks ago. leaving the mentioned proof out for ur stupid Readers, SHOWS YOU AS AN PROFESSIONAL LIAR.
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If guenter here has videos of Americans teaching Muslims to scream “Allahu Akbar!”, he should link to them. I won’t be holding my breath, of course.
What proof of this has guenter ever provided? Citations, please.
What am I supposedly lying about?
And the way guenter refers to me now is just cringe-worthy–*very* creepy stuff.
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How man (sic) more times u (sic) wanna (sic) make an (sic) laughing stock out of urself (sic)?
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In what way?
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may (sic) i (sic) remind u (sic), that within months u (sic) was unable -till now- to find my comments in jw (sic)?
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This is absurd–I have replied to guenter’s comments many times.
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in (sic) any sane Website u (sic) was (sic) already laughed away; only the dumb rightwingers here dont (sic) care what u (sic) babble, as Long (sic) as it is directed again an (sic) leftwinger.
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What is guenter babbling about here? Most of my comments here are Anti-Jihad. Would that we could say the same of guenter…
Then, he is now sneering at the Anti-Jihadists here at Jihad Watch–very disturbing stuff.
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may (sic) i (sic) also remind you that i (sic) never justified a single Horror of the crimes which happend (sic) in the Name of communism? (our difference was only about the defination (sic) of communism and if stalinism (sic) was communism or anticommunism, cause Stalin murdered all communists.) again: PROFESSIONAL LIAR.
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This is guenter claiming that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the assorted Kims et al and all the other dictators of Communism were–somehow–not actually Communist. This is actually *very* common among Communists.
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so (sic), when u (sic) now praise mina ahadi u (sic) dont (sic) wanna (sic) wrongly blame her to fight islamism only to establish another Horror, as u (sic) claimed some time before?
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I can indeed recognize and even praise someone for opposing the horrors of Islam without ergo wanting them to impose the horrors of Communism on us.
In the same way, I can praise someone in Russia for bravely fighting the Fascists during WWII, without having wanted Stalin to impose Communism on us.
There is nothing inconsistent about this–I actually oppose *all* totalitarianism.
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so (sic) many contradictions with you, Darling….what a sweet lil (sic) Girl u (sic) are.
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What contradictions are there in my position? Of course, guenter is unable to point to anything.
Then, this from guenter is getting more disturbing all the time–*Ugh*.
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and (sic) why do u (sic) always speak on behalf of mortimor (sic)? (also my first posting once here was directed at mortimor (sic), but u (sic) rushed in and overtook (sic)).. is he to (sic) stupid to reply himself or is mortimor (sic) another idendity (sic) of yours?
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Good lord, what ugly claptrap. I have a great deal of respect for Mortimer, as well as for other brave, erudite, and knowledgeable posters here. But no–I am not Mortimer myself. He is actually better versed in the texts of Islam than I am–although I do disagree with Mortimer on a few points regarding how to oppose Islam in practical terms.
That guenter is unable to grasp the idea of Anti-Jihadists respecting each other is actually quite disturbing.
Again I ask–what is is he even doing here? Does he have any sort of actual purpose here? Certainly, it does not appear to be opposing the threat of Islam.
guenter says
PROFESSIONAL LIAR GRAVENIMAGE: I DID NOT WRITE THAT I OWN THIS VIDEOS- SO UNFORTUNATELY I CANT POST THEM HERE: I WROTE THAT I SAW THEM IN GERMAN TV AND THAT THEY HAD BEEN SHOWN IN OTHER COUNTRIES TOO. SO NOW WRITE TO YOUR GOVTM AND ASK THEM WHY IN THE “COUNTRY OF THE FREE” (LAUGH!) THEY DIDNT RUN THEM AND HIDE THAT FROM THE PEOPLE: NO WONDER THAT AMERICANS ARE OBVIOUSLY THE MOST DESINFORMED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
AND AFTER U WROTE ME FOR MONTHS THAT U CANT FIND MY COMMENTS ON THE WEBSITE OF JW U NOW DESINFORM UR STUPID READERS THAT U ALWAYS HAD REPLIED TO THEM- KNOWING VERY WELL (OR NOT?) THAT IAM NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS REPLIES HERE BUT ABOUT THE SITE U ARE TO STUPID TO FIND EVEN IF I ONCE MADE A SCREENSHOT FOR YOU
AND AGAIN I REMIND THAT UR CONSTANT LIE I WOULDNT FIGHT JIHAD IS A PUNISHABLE SLANDER BY THE LAW OF MY COUNTRY
AND: LEAVING ASIDE THAT I NEVER SAID TO BE A COMMUNIST -Y O U SAID SO- U AGAIN SHOW UR TOTALLY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE WHEN U CLAIM THAT NOWADAYS ALL COMMUNISTS WOULD SAY AS A LAME EXCUSE AFTERWARDS THAT IT WAS NO COMMUNISM. BUT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE: ALL THOSE COMMUNIST PARTIES AND SIMILAR ORGS WHO HAD BEEN PRO-MOSCOW STILL DO CLAIM THAT IT WAS COMMUNISM AND ANYTHING WAS FINE. THOSE WHO SAY THAT IT WAS NOT -THE COMMIES CALLED THEM RENEGADES; TROTSKYISTS; LUXEMBURGISTS; AGENTS OF HITLER AND SO ON- DOES DATE BACK TO THE FIRST GROUPS OF STRONGLY ANTISTALINIST COMMUNISTS (“LEFTWING OPPOSITION OF THE CP-USSR”) WHO FOUGHT STALIN SINCE 1922- WHILE U STUPID AMERICANS VOTE “UNCLE JOE” AS MAN OF THE YEAR TILL 1943. BUT ALSO THIS I EXPLAINED BEFORE. WHETHER U HAVE MEMORY LOSS OR ONLY WANNA PROVOKE WITH UR REPEATED LIES. NOW BETTER FUCK OFF, I WONT WASTE ANY MORE TIME WITH SUCH AN HIGHLY ANTI-SERIOUS COMIC THAN YOU.
gravenimage says
More from guenter, still screaming in ALL CAPS:
PROFESSIONAL LIAR GRAVENIMAGE: I DID NOT WRITE THAT I OWN THIS VIDEOS- SO UNFORTUNATELY I CANT POST THEM HERE: I WROTE THAT I SAW THEM IN GERMAN TV AND THAT THEY HAD BEEN SHOWN IN OTHER COUNTRIES TOO. SO NOW WRITE TO YOUR GOVTM AND ASK THEM WHY IN THE “COUNTRY OF THE FREE” (LAUGH!) THEY DIDNT RUN THEM AND HIDE THAT FROM THE PEOPLE: NO WONDER THAT AMERICANS ARE OBVIOUSLY THE MOST DESINFORMED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
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One doesn’t have to own videos in order to link to them–this is just silly.
And why is guenter screaming that I have to ask my government why they were teaching Jihadists to yell “Allahu Akbar!”, when he has not provided any proof that they ever did this to begin with? Just absurd.
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AND AFTER U WROTE ME FOR MONTHS THAT U CANT FIND MY COMMENTS ON THE WEBSITE OF JW U NOW DESINFORM UR STUPID READERS THAT U ALWAYS HAD REPLIED TO THEM- KNOWING VERY WELL (OR NOT?) THAT IAM NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS REPLIES HERE BUT ABOUT THE SITE U ARE TO STUPID TO FIND EVEN IF I ONCE MADE A SCREENSHOT FOR YOU
AND AGAIN I REMIND THAT UR CONSTANT LIE I WOULDNT FIGHT JIHAD IS A PUNISHABLE SLANDER BY THE LAW OF MY COUNTRY
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I have replied to guenter’s claptrap here on Jihad Watch.
He has claimed that there is some secret German Jihad Watch–or something linked to Jihad Watch in Germany–or something, he has never been very clear–where he posted all the time and that proves that he is actually an Anti-Jihadist.
I am not fluent, but I read German well enough to know if this was accurate.
But then he has consistently refused to link to this site. Does it exist? Who knows? Will he finally link to it here? I won’t be holding my breath…
Of course, it would be a lot easier for him to just post Anti-Jihad comments here–but he has never done so, in several months posting. This is just bizarre.
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AND: LEAVING ASIDE THAT I NEVER SAID TO BE A COMMUNIST -Y O U SAID SO- U AGAIN SHOW UR TOTALLY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE WHEN U CLAIM THAT NOWADAYS ALL COMMUNISTS WOULD SAY AS A LAME EXCUSE AFTERWARDS THAT IT WAS NO COMMUNISM.
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Well, perhaps not all–but guenter here, certainly…
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BUT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE: ALL THOSE COMMUNIST PARTIES AND SIMILAR ORGS WHO HAD BEEN PRO-MOSCOW STILL DO CLAIM THAT IT WAS COMMUNISM AND ANYTHING WAS FINE. THOSE WHO SAY THAT IT WAS NOT -THE COMMIES CALLED THEM RENEGADES; TROTSKYISTS; LUXEMBURGISTS; AGENTS OF HITLER AND SO ON- DOES DATE BACK TO THE FIRST GROUPS OF STRONGLY ANTISTALINIST COMMUNISTS (“LEFTWING OPPOSITION OF THE CP-USSR”) WHO FOUGHT STALIN SINCE 1922-
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This is just standard internecine Communist infighting–as tedious as it is ugly.
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WHILE U STUPID AMERICANS VOTE “UNCLE JOE” AS MAN OF THE YEAR TILL 1943.
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One presume’s that guenter is referring to Time’s “person of the year”. Firstly, this is a magazine, not United States official policy. (No surprise here that guenter would be unclear on what a free press means).
Then, Time person of the year is not, as he appears to think, necessarily lauditory–instead, this pick is based on global influence. So while Joseph Stalin was indeed Time’s man of the year in 1939 and 1942 (not 1943–that was George Marshall), Adolf Hitler was man of the year in 1938, and the Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979. Is guenter going to claim that Americans loved Hitler and the Ayatollah, as well?
In fact, the Time person of the year is not always even a person–other choices have included whistleblowers, the American soldier, good samaritans, and the protester. Probably the silliest was from a few years ago, where they printed a mirror on tne cover, and the “person of the year” was us–or you, or whatever. And many years these choices are controversial, in any case.
guenter’s implication that most Americans loved Stalin is just bizarre–even when we were allied with the Soviet Union against Hitler during WWII, many Americans were deeply uncomfortable with this. It was generally considered a necessary evil, which is basically how I view it today.
More:
BUT ALSO THIS I EXPLAINED BEFORE. WHETHER U HAVE MEMORY LOSS OR ONLY WANNA PROVOKE WITH UR REPEATED LIES. NOW BETTER FUCK OFF, I WONT WASTE ANY MORE TIME WITH SUCH AN HIGHLY ANTI-SERIOUS COMIC THAN YOU.
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guenter should know that profanity and abusing other posters is a good way to get banned here.
And why *is* he here, in any case? Is he actually contributing anything to the Anti-Jihad? Is this even a goal of his?
Peter Buckley says
“Since 1990, she has continued her work for human and women’s rights from abroad, and with the help of MILLIONS of people around the world, has managed to organize a SUCCESSFUL campaign that through pressure put an end to the stoning in Iran. In addition, it was possible by public pressure to save from their execution several people sentenced to death, according to the website of the ex-Muslims.”
Mina Ahadi is doing a great job.and seems quite happy here:
“10-15% of muslims in Germany end up leaving the faith…”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73hOZR6Xftk
James Lincoln says
Peter Buckley,
Interestingly, MS-13 thug gangsters also have a no leave policy…
Kepha says
Same with the Mafia and the Triads.
Red Pill says
That video is old and before the 2015 invasion. Nowadays Germany is closer to Sharia than anything else.
Peter Buckley says
I don’t think you’re truly aware of what’s happening:
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2016/12/203494/germany-muslim-refugees-increasingly-converting-christianity/
Red Pill says
I lived in Germany… And no, that’s not what is happening at least where I lived.
gravenimage says
Some few may be converting to Christianity–and that is a good thing.
But those issuing death threats to apostates and raping and stabbing Infidels certainly aren’t…
guenter says
most of the iranian muslims who “converted” to christianity did this only in hope of better chances to get asylum, cause their Chance to get it is not same as high as for syrians.. in their hearts they remain muslim, as some of the converted did confess to me.
gravenimage says
Actually–sadly–the West has in general not been more likely to give asylum to Christians, so this claim from guenter seems rather implausible.
FYI says
islam is the only world religion that has a death penalty for ‘apostasy’.
“If somebody discards his religion,kill him”
Sahih Bukhari vol 4 bk 52 no 260
WHY?
But there is nothing wrong with anybody who wants to be an apostate:it is not as if an ex-muslim did anything wrong and they have to be punished for it.People are entitled to be free thinkers and should not be harassed by religious authorities if they want to be free of it.
Yet that is what happens to ‘apostates’ in islams{called the ‘murtads’}.
In islam,muslims make it their business to go after ‘apostates’,thus islamiac fanatics show how intolerant their cult is by their degenerate behavior.
infidelworld
“Hey Guys.I think i’d like to be an ‘apostate’..”
infidel guys:sure Randy,yeah whatever,i mean you don’t need our permission…”
islamoworld
“Hey Guys.I think i’d like to be an ‘apostate’..”
The muslimbrothers:you are a filthy murtad khalid,we’ll kill you and spit on your incestuous family.
wpm says
Islam is the oldest biggest organized crime “family” the world has ever seen.Like most crime families the fight among each other for control of their turf,and always want to expand their empire.They rule thru fear,violence threats of violence ,and the people in control are always looking at any angle to get what they want.
Red Pill says
+1
RichardL says
what is more, the German constitution expressly forbids foreign governments to run religious or political organisations on German soil.
gravenimage says
Germany: Critic of Islam gets new wave of death threats as soccer team features mosque on its jersey
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Horrible.
And here’s more about the Mosque on the jersey:
https://www.dw.com/en/football-fc-cologne-mosque-shirt-bundesliga-club-welcome-members-departure/a-54537144
This article sneers at anyone who takes issue with this.
Linde Barrera says
In 2018 I had a conversation with my female 3rd cousin who lives near Paderborn, Germany. She was impressed that I said “Germans should not vote for Angela Merkel if she runs for office again. She is too much of an Islamic sympathizer.” Apparently, politically correct speech in Germany is the kind most Germans want to hear, and are encouraged to speak; that is why my cousin was impressed; because I said something that is not politically correct!
Also, Germany has taken in a lot of people originally from Turkey and this goes back to the 1960’s. Everyone here knows that Turkey is a Muslim majority country. ?
James Lincoln says
Linde Barrera,
Glad that you told the truth to your relative!
Most people use politically correct speech to avoid any type of confrontation. They feel it is the “safe” approach.
They are also afraid of losing their “friends”, family members etc.
I guess they would rather lose their country…
gravenimage says
Glad to hear this, Linde.
Hellene1 says
Gentlemen,
Please join me in proposing legislation to Congress to ban Islam. It’s really rather simple. Islam is simultaneously a totalitarian, authoritarian, theocratic political system. It’s ultimate goal or teleology, as clearly stated in the Islamic texts, is the supplanting of every government on Earth with a worldwide Caliphate under Sharia, a legal body that is in conflict and at war with every political system on Earth.This is inseparable from its so called “religious” body of belief, which is nothing of the sort. Islam is inherently treasonous to our nation.
If we ask Congress to clarify the First Amendment meaning of “freedom of religion,” then Islam fails. The Founding Fathers did not specify what religion is, only that it should be allowed free expression. Thomas Jefferson did not truly know Islam until after the founding of our country. He disagreed with John Adams, who insisted that we continue to pay one million dollars in tribute to the Bey of Algiers and other Islamic despots.
We can thank Jefferson for his ultimate insight into the nature of Islam as a threat to our Republic. But he did not consider clarifying the definition of religion.
In my opinion, religion should have:
1. A Golden Rule
2. A belief in Cause and Effect
3. Free will
Islam has none of these. These are handed over to Allah’s will as is the surrendering to Allah his anathema to science, academia, and critical thinking.
We must ban Islam now!
Hellene1 says
Hi Everybody,
Please join me in introducing legislation to Congress to ban Islam. Yes, it’s really quite easy.
Islam is inherently and simultaneously a “religious” belief system and a totalitarian, theocratic, authoritarian political belief system. Its ultimate teleological goal is total world domination under one Caliphate and Sharia. This goes against every sovereign nation’s constitution. Islam is a treasonous belief system that is incredibly dangerous, as it calls for violence as a last resort to achieve this political objective.
The founding Fathers did not clearly define religion in the first amendment, perhaps because they assumed every religion to have a Golden Rule, Free Will and a belief in Cause and Effect. These are three criteria that I deem as essential concepts of a religion. Islam has none of these.
Thomas Jefferson did not discover the true nature of Islam until the Barbary Coast Wars which occurred during his administration but actually started many years previously. He rightfully disagreed with John Adams that paying tribute of one million dollars a year to the Dey of Algiers and Tripoli was not the proper course of action. Instead Jefferson built a navy, and the rest is history.
It is imperative that we ban Islam now!
I understand that many Muslims will use Taqqiya, Tawriya, Kitmon, Muruna and Bid’ah to fight against this legislation but it must be done.
gravenimage says
Islam is indeed a religion–it is just an evil religion. And much of Islam is *already* illegal in the civilized world.
And the idea that the Founding Fathers were naive fools who understood nothing about Islam is not borne out.
Islam needs to be exposed–we don’t need to destroy the First Amendment to defend against Islam.
chris~kymatica says
gravenimage, I am not proposing that we destroy the First Amendment. I find the idea of this abhorrent. I simply would like Congress to clearly define what is religion as stated in the First Amendment. And no, I never said or implied that the Founding Fathers were naive fools. Who said that? However, it’s very clear that John Adams knew very little about Islam. He wanted to continue paying the tribute, which clearly is a form of jizya. When I read your response, I cringed. Such arrogance.
gravenimage says
The definition of religion is pretty clear. Islam is a religion by any standard definition. I don’t think that we should change either our words or our Constitution for Muslims.
And the idea that John Adams was ignorant of Islam is quite mistaken. In fact, In March 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli’s envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. When they inquired “concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”, the ambassador replied:
“It was written in their Koran, (that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise)…”
Adams knew about Islam–he just didn’t think that we were ready to take on all of North Africa during his presidency. He and Washington tried diplomacy, and–yes–tribute. The demands for tribute became more severe during Jefferson’s presidency, and the US also had the model of Sweden going to war with the Barbary pirates over just this issue. This had more to do with other matters going on in the world, not Adam’s supposed ignorance of Islam.
And what did I say in my reply that was arrogant?