If Hassan N. had been a non-Muslim leaving a fake bomb at a halal restaurant, which should never happen, would he have gotten such a lenient sentence? What do you think?
“Eight months in prison for leaving fake bomb at Amsterdam kosher restaurant,” by Janene Pieters, NL Times, August 29, 2020 (thanks to Henry):
Hassan N. was sentenced to 12 months in prison, 4 of which conditionally suspended, for leaving a fake bomb at Kosher restaurant Ha Carmel in Amsterdam during the early hours of January 15th. He also has to pay 3 thousand euros in compensation for immaterial damage to the restaurant’s three owners. The 46-year-old man was also convicted of sending an anti-Semitic and threatening letter to an Amsterdam local, Het Parool reports.
The court said it took N.’s history of drug addiction into account, but also explicitly stated that the fake bomb had an enormous impact on the restaurant owners and “also for the entire Jewish community”. According to the court, all crimes N. is accused of have an anti-Semitic character. The court assumes the man specifically targeted Ha Carmel because it is a Jewish restaurant with Jewish owners, and called this both shocking and unacceptable.
The fake bomb consisted of a box with electrical wires and a printed circuit board. N’s DNA and fingerprints were found on the box. N. claimed that he did not leave the fake bomb at Ha Carmel, but that he had placed the box next to a waste container to be thrown away. The box wasn’t in the waste container, because it was full, he said.
Ha Carmel’s lawyer told Het Parool that the fake bomb was the 7th anti-Semitic incident at the restaurant in two and a half years. The business is being destroyed, the lawyer said….
gravenimage says
Netherlands: Muslim who left fake bomb at kosher restaurants gets eight months prison
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Will Hassan N. be deported after he serves his sentence? Don’t count on it…
More:
Ha Carmel’s lawyer told Het Parool that the fake bomb was the 7th anti-Semitic incident at the restaurant in two and a half years. The business is being destroyed, the lawyer said….
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That’s the goal.
God, I hate Islam.
Rod says
“God, I hate Islam.”
I’m sure the New Zealand mass murderer would approve of your bigotry, gravy. Great minds!
By the way, which “God” is it you are addressing? Is he a bigot too?
gravenimage says
What vicious claptrap. I have condemned the New Zealand shooter many times here.I have never called for violence against Muslims, as “Rod” here well knows.
“Rod” has got nothing, so he has to pretend that those pointing out the violence of Islam are actually violent themselves. This is known as projection.
Note that he has no actual problem with Hassan N. terrorizing this Kosher restaurant–but then, why would he?
Rod says
Which God is the one who inspires your hate, gravy? Your god? Not the one they taught me about on Sundays.
But I suppose those who love to hate have to find their own god of hate. It’s all rather repulsive to simple folk like me. I’m sorry, but it just reminds me of Christchurch.
FYI says
“Not the one they taught me about on Sundays”
Oh right:you are an INFIDEL then.
{muslims have Friday,Jews have saturday,christians have sunday}
Now,what does the koran teach about INFIDELS like YOU?
“Lo!Those who disbelieve,among the People of the Book{Jews and Christians}and the idolators{Hindus,Pagans,Buddhists etc} will abide in hell fire.
They are the WORST OF CREATED beings”
koran 98:6
Such bigotry:the irony of defending the very religion that classifies YOU as the WORST of created beings, a religion that says you can be murdered for being an infidel koran 2;191, will no doubt be lost on you
Maybe you should have listened better those Sundays.A bit late now..
{islam has a Doctrine of HATE al walaa wal baraa,refers to Jews as ‘Apes,to be despised and hated’ koran 2:65 and a religious apartheid system of koran 98:6,No golden Rule,no 2 chief commandments:it is funny how you seem unable to get that.}
Giacomo Latta says
Antifaman, what a great Christian you are! The koran tells muslims to seize Christians then to slit their throats. And that doesn’t bother you a bit. Make sure you attend the next Ariana Grande concert.
gravenimage says
“Rod’s” claim that Christianity teaches that one must love every creed, no matter how brutal and vicious, is *quite* false.
Psalm 97:10 says, “Let those who love the Lord hate evil…”.
Would “Rod” also claim that Christians have to embrace Nazism, lest they be hateful?
Then, he once again lies about me and Christchurch. As I have noted, he’s got nothing else.
Giacomo Latta says
Antifaman, I’m sure the Manchester mass murderer at would approve of your senseless love of Islamic violence against anybody unlucky enough to be around. I’m sure you are indifferent or even happy of the fate of the Rotherham 1400. Great minds think alike, no two ways about it. A bigot too? Were you talking about yourself?
john smith says
Rod, you should feel ashamed of yourself, what a horrible obnoxious thing to say, To compare someone to a mass murdering just because they oppose Islam.
I and most people on this site also hate Islam, It’s the greatest evil in the history of humanity.
Rod says
“Muslim who left fake bomb at kosher restaurants gets eight months prison”
White Muslim hater who killed innocent people at prayer gets life in prison without parole. New Zealand wants this fanatical religious bigot out of their country.
Spencer’s obsessive trawling of obscure media reports seems to have missed this important message to all Muslim haters and religious bigots around the world. Curious indeed.
gravenimage says
The implication that Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch call for violence against Muslims is utterly false–citations, please.
What “Rod” here *really* objects to is anyone daring to point out the violence that Islam calls for.
Notice that he has *nothing* critical to say about Hassan N.’s terrorizing innocent people here. This should not surprise.
Giacomo Latta says
Antifaman, real bomb, fake bomb, it’s all terrorism. The Netherlands will be happy to know that it is an obscure country where nothing of import ever happens. When did New Zealand become the centre of the world? Why so upset? You should be happy there is a place on the planet where terrorism is given more of a reward than a sentence. Muslims hate all non-muslims. Read the koran till your lips get tired if you don’t believe me. Then tell me which group hates the other the most. If you hate me then I have as much a right to hate you. Guess what I do.
FYI says
@Giacomo Latta
I can see why ‘Rod’ didn’t take kindly to my joke about antifa.
And that explains the leftist virtue-signalling bias too of his commentary.
Speaking of antifamen..
Some antifa/pro-antifa fanatics went to Sturgis,a famous Motorcycle rally this Year {August 2020}and did something so STUPID it has hard to believe anybody would be dumb enough to do it:they started to intimidate the Bikers{Who does that?} and one of them kicked a Bike{You NEVER NEVER mess with their bikes!}
You can see it on You Tube{..sturgis antifa..}
One of them idiotically kicks a bike and all hell breaks loose:and you can understand why Bikers would be outraged{in fact they behaved pretty well}
The thing about Bikers is they really,really,really take great pride in their magnificent machines and most likely won’t hassle you unless you pick a fight with them..which is what the antifa idiots did.Who,in their right minds,wants to pick a fight with say,Hells Angels,and do the unforgivable thing of KICKING their bikes?
Who could be dumb enough to do that?
antifa/pro-antifa’/Leftist nuts.
Now they have made Bikers their enemies.
And who has to escort them amidst tight security,out of that part of town?
Those people they insist must be defunded:that’s right…the Police.
Rod says
Interesting that the NL Times nowhere states that Hassan N is a Muslim. That piece of “information” or pseudo-“fact” seems to have been invented by your dedicated reporter of Islamophobia R Spencer. Believe him if you want to. (And of course you must.)
gravenimage says
Ah…right. Because so many Infidels in the Netherlands are named Hassan. Must be an old Dutch name…sarc/off.
Keys says
Very interesting ! Insightful comment, Rod.
Hassan N. is a Presbyterian fake bomb maker, not a muslim. Believe me if you want to (but you don’t have to). It’s the false truth, a “pseudo-fact”.
No pressure, Rod. No compulsion in posting.
Rod says
I prefer to believe facts, Keys. You like being lied to? Facts not necessary. Assumptions will suffice. So, Spencer can tell you anything he likes? (Goebbels loved people like you.)
Ismail Ali says
Spencer needs to see a psychiatric immediately.
James Lincoln says
Ismail Ali says,
“Spencer needs to see a psychiatric immediately.”
The word “psychiatric” it is an adjective, not a thing or person.
Giacomo Latta says
So prove us all wrong in our ”assumption”, Antifaman. What proof do you have that he a a good Christian like you?
Keys says
There is nothing wrong with assumptions, Rod, when they are based on facts. Deceivers purposely hide the full truth, as you well know. Muslims sanctify deceit if it advances Islam.
And you, Rod, assumed that Robert Spencer assumed that Hassan N. is a muslim even though Spencer did not state it as a fact.
Just as you said in your 10:01 pm post “that the NL Times nowhere states that Hassan N is a Muslim”, Robert Spencer nowhere states that Hassan N. is a Muslim. He said “If Hassan N. had been a non-Muslim leaving a fake bomb at a halal restaurant … “.
“If” statements are not facts, Rod.
Hitler and Goebbles never stated in a public news article that their plan was to exterminate the European Jews, but that would have been a good assumption for them to make.
Here is an assumption for you: Based on Rod’s posting history here at JW, I am assuming he is a paid troll not interested in advancing the truth about Islamic Jihad.
Finally, I think it is a damn good assumption that Hassan N. is a muslim based on the facts given.
Rod says
Spencer says:
“Muslim who left fake bomb at kosher restaurants gets eight months prison”
AUG 31, 2020 4:00 PM BY ROBERT SPENCER
And Keys says:
“Robert Spencer nowhere states that Hassan N. is a Muslim”.
And Keys says there is nothing wrong with assumptions. I see.
Ismail Ali says
Rod is very correct.
Rod says
Do I really have to explain that you shouldn’t state an assumption as a fact? It’s a concept vital to scientists, journalists, and honest men everywhere. It’s been vital to human progress and civilisation. Without it, you can find yourself drinking bleach, or joining a cult of bigots.
Spencer doesn’t even know the full name of Mr N, but he claims to know his religion, because his name is Hassan. (Thus revealing that he’s NOT as knowledgeable about Islam as he thinks he is. Or as you gullible dupes think he is. Are you paying attention, Keys?)
After this little example, and others, I have to wonder how many of the “facts” in Spencer’s famous books aren’t facts at all.
Of course, in this little fantasy world, “facts” are perhaps of no importance.
Giacomo Latta says
Gullible dupes? Are you talking about you and your cohort at PoliSci 101? You think that muslims born into Islam and given muslim names then become apostates immediately look for a kosher place of business to bomb or fake-bomb? Statistics please! ”honest men everywhere?” Your sexist slip is showing, big boy, if that is why you use the name ‘Rod’?
Ismail Ali says
Well-done Rod ..
gravenimage says
Of course Muslim apologist Ismail Ali is applauding “Rod” for his attempted deflection here. Of course, if “Rod” really is an Infidel, he will still suffer if Ismail Ali’s coreligionists come to take over here.
Does Ismail Ali have a problem with his fellow Muslim terrorizing Jews here? Not so he says…
MykeJohn says
Please don’t feed the TROLLS with one way unsatiated appetite. One thing is sure about their discourse, they can be smelled out a mile away. We know their type and their modus operandi of which we are not ignorant.
FYI says
@MykeJohn
Yet trolls provide a most useful service.Gravenimage is pretty good at demolishing them.
“Rod” is a virtue-signalling attention-seeking snowflake troll with sensitivity issues of the sort that might cause him to bawl at the inhumanity of it all on seeing a leaf fall from a tree.Rod’s comments should always be accompanied by the aural metaphor of violins playing.Notice the classic projection too to Keys above: ‘Goebbels loved people like you” because people who oppose Jihadism must be full of hate speech and ‘islamophobia’ so might as well accuse them of being nazis.But that doesn’t follow.
“Rod” cannot see that:Logic is not his forte.
“Rod” is someone who doesn’t understand the concept of a Checkmate.
“Rod” just needs soft tissues to cry into, at all the ‘bigotry’ .What a sponge!
ismail ali tells us ‘rod’ is “very correct” and that ‘Spencer needs to see a psychiatric{sic} immediately” which is pretty funny as it is a service most trolls like ali himself here obviously require;after all ,ali follows a god who admits to being a champion at deceiving people{allah khayru – makirenna koran 3:54} and a ‘prophet’ who admits to being a false prophet[al tabari 6:111}and a scripture that has so many HOLES in the narrative,so many errors in it that by allah’s own criterion of {koran 4:82}it cannot come from God but must come from ‘other than allah’ which means it is 100% of human origin ..and he cannot figure how bogus THAT all is!Cuckoo!Imagine all the psychiatric sessions required to unpack that.
Yes ‘well done’ for representing your islam ismail ali.
We can ignore them but they are quite useful.
Say,did you hear that about those leftist fascists,antifa?
“You can smell them before you see them”
Rod says
Thanks FYI. I knew the abusive karate chop would arrive soon.
“You can smell them..” Wow! Talk about logic! It’s literally unarguable. And entirely in keeping with R Spencer and his scholarship.
FYI says
@Rod
Oh I’m sorry ‘Rod’ but was I talking to you?
No
Wow,Such narcissism “Rod”.
{That was just a joke about antifa:it wan’t for you! I was not talking to you was I ?It doesn’t concern you if it is in response to someone else does it?Hilarious!}
Say ,’Rod’…
Will you tell ismail ali that you are NOT a muslim?
Because you see ,a non-muslim is ,according to the koran ,
‘the WORST of created beings”
koran 98:6
That applies to you if YOU are a muslim.Do you see that?No?
Isn’t that koranic teaching.. bigotry ‘Rod’?
Let us see you condemn that.Come on.
You as an infidel are ‘the WORST of created beings’ according to the koran 98:6!
So you see if you are NOT a muslim then you surely must condemn the bigotry of ismail ali’s islamic teachings as it applies to YOU.
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Logic eh?
IF you are a muslim THEN you must subscribe to koran 98:6 which makes YOU a bigot as it says non muslims are the ‘WORST of created beings”
IF you are NOT a muslim[=’ an INFIDEL’} THEN you are subject to koran 98:6 which makes ismail ali a bigot and his koran bigoted and you a disgrace for defending such bigotry and you are also the target of the koran’s bigotry.
Can you cope with the logic of that Rod?I doubt it.
Tell ismail ali you are not a muslim.
Come on…
Giacomo Latta says
Antifaman, Correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t you been calling most visitors to his website racists and bigots? Oh, those are not insults but rather terms of endearment? Well, kissy kissy to you too. Was this a day-off from your usual looting and burning?
gravenimage says
Thank you, FYI.
Rod says
I fear the irony of FYI, who hates Islam, laying out the necessary values and beliefs by which every Muslim must live, will be lost on all of you. Without such an abundant supply of arrogance and ignorance, membership of this ugly little clique would be impossible.
gravenimage says
What FYI cites is indeed orthodox Islam. Of course, “Rod” cannot deny this.
James Lincoln says
Rod,
Hassan N is from Morocco.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/286047
Morocco is 99% muslim.
https://www.pewforum.org/chart/interactive-data-table-world-muslim-population-by-country/
Hassan is a Arabic muslim name for Boys
https://muslimnames.com/hassan
Should I go on???
James Lincoln says
Rod,
1. Hassan is a muslim name.
https://muslimnames.com/hassan
2. Hassan is from Morocco.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/286047
3. Morocco is 99% Muslim.
https://www.pewforum.org/chart/interactive-data-table-world-muslim-population-by-country/
Should I go on?
gravenimage says
Excellent points, James.
Rod says
Should you go on,James? Since you subscribe to the theory that “if it might be true, we can be sure it is true”, (which is perhaps a Spencer guiding principle), then you should go on if you want to. By all means. But why should any rational person be interested?
PS But please do not ever volunteer for jury service.
gravenimage says
Note that “Rod” is unable to refute anything James Lincoln says.
James Lincoln says
Rod,
1. Hassan is a muslim name.
https://muslimnames.com/hassan
2. Hassan is from Morocco.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/286047
3. Morocco is 99% Muslim.
https://www.pewforum.org/chart/interactive-data-table-world-muslim-population-by-country/
Should I go on?
OLD GUY says
I thought the world was being tuff on hate crimes. Guess NOT. Should have known just look at BLM and Antifa total hate speech and crimes against anyone who calls them out on their ideology.