What authority does Turkey have to declare void an agreement to which it was not a party? None, of course. Erdogan is asserting authority as if he were the Ottoman caliph.
“Erdogan: Egyptian-Greek agreement is null and void,” Libya Observer, August 8, 2020:
…Erdogan stressed, in a speech on Friday, that the agreement signed by Egypt and Greece is of no value, considering it null and void.
He added that Greece has zero right to sign such an agreement, considering that it does not have any maritime borders with either Egypt or Libya.
CogitoErgoSum says
Now if he would only think Turkey’s agreement to be a member of NATO was null and void.
Wellington says
+1. A beautiful sentiment, CES.
gravenimage says
+1
Marc says
Now if we were to think Turkey doesn’t belong tot NATO!
Ariste Arvanitides says
If Turkey continues on the path of conflict with another NATO member and neighbor (sipecifically Greece) it will be thrown out or leave of its own volition.
gravenimage says
I hope so–but no sign of this happening yet…
Robert Porter says
CogitoErgoSum – absolutely! But when will some Westerner, like Trump, tell this raving moron to shut and stop talking crap? The West is pitiful with its weakness and failure to kick Turkey out of NATO.
K V Varghese says
Correct. It is now the turn of NATO to kick out the only Muslim country in the alliance for converting Hafi Sofia the seat of Christianity for a million idum and a dozen score of years.
Eva says
Patience, patience. He’ll probably do it soon enough.
He’s a total head case.
Is it just me, or does he beat a striking resemblance to hitler?
bobc says
he is a kook, isn’t he?
FYI says
Some call him …Erdolf.
Aleks1988 says
Just looking at his disgusting, inbred, Turkish face, makes me want to puke.
jirtu says
ErDOGan doesn’t know he will soon become null and void.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Does he want us to believe that Turkey and Libya — unlike Greece and Egypt — stare a maritime border?
Greece is a lot closer to Egypt than Turkey is to Libya.
SAFI says
He said “with either Egypt or Libya” The second part (no borders with Libya) is even funnier because he thinks Turkey borders Libya and Greece doesn’t. A cursory look at any map of the region is all it takes for someone to see that Greece share hurdreds of miles of borders with Libya (same as Italy) whereas Turkey normally shares none.
SAFI says
Now that I ponder about it I think I can recall a few months ago the turkish defense minister actually saying something like “TURKEY is Libya’s neighbor, NOT Egypt!” 🤣
gravenimage says
Turkey is sending Jihadists to Libya:
“Turkey deploys 27,000 jihadis from Syria in Libya”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/08/turkey-deploys-27000-jihadis-from-syria-in-libya
RonaldB says
Very good. Erdogan is making an enemy of both Greece and more importantly, Egypt. Egypt, if he hadn’t known, is more-or-less allied with Israel at this time. Erdogan is counting on his alliance with Russia. So, he thinks he can out-diplomat the Israelis, who are also pushing for good relations with Russia. Sounds like he has us right where we want him. Add to that, the obviousness of his hostility to the European NATO countries and it’s all to the good.
Vladimir says
Russia’s no ally of Turkey. They’ve fought about 15 wars in 300 years, and Russia crushed Turkey every time. They have decent relations now, trade and so forth, but that’s about as good as it’ll ever get I think.
gravenimage says
Putin is playing footsie with Erdogan now, and selling him weaponry.
Frank Anderson says
I bet anything sold has a remote off switch to make them worthless.
gravenimage says
I don’t know, Frank–Russia has had a series of multi-billion dollar arms deals with Turkey, everything from guns to missiles. That would be an awful lot of “off switches”…
Frank Anderson says
Think of the most complicated system that is key to operating or defending all others, for example the S-400 that is supposed to clear the sky of all aircraft and missiles? Frustrating the new Fuehrer does not require crippling every device sold, only those that are key. Think about the 50 or so B-61 H Bombs that are “stored” in Turkey. Don’t you think those are long ago rendered unusable?
Clint Walker said in a movie I have NOT BEEN ABLE to find after years of searching, “Just ’cause I talk slow don’t mean I’m stupid.” The US would say in a similar vein, “Just cause we do dumb things all over the place and all the time, does not mean we do everything the same way.” Those bombs, if they are still in Turkey, are useless dummy’s with the sole purpose of pacifying a dangerous tyrant..
gravenimage says
OK, Frank–if all of those munitions sold to Turkey by Russia go dead in the clinch, I will not be sad.
Frank Anderson says
I think both of us would say prayers of thanks, remembering “Justice, Justice, shall you pursue.” ::)
gravenimage says
🙂
SAFI says
Well Russia sells weapons to Turkey but so does Germany, Italy, France, Spain… not to mention the US of course. According to a German finance ministry document over a third of all german arms exports in 2019 went to Turkey despite a partial arms export ban due to Turkey’s involvement in Syria. Some of these weapons will likely wind up in the hands of ‘Free Syrian Army’ or some other turkish affiliated jihadi group.
gravenimage says
SAFI, *no one* should be selling arms to Turkey.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Vladimir,
+1
@Frank,
Bonsoir,
The European empires are finished including the Ottoman empire. The “Sultan“ have to deal with that..
Stay safe
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, I always wish you well.
The new sultan/caliph/fuhrer who wishes to lead a new Ottoman conquest is making many right moves and noises toward that goal. He has the EU totally buffaloed and beaten with his invasion of millions of parasites that most of the EU seem powerless to either exclude or assimilate.
I wish your country’s leaders would pay more attention to the idiocy it participated in before WWII, with the hope some of those lessons might help avoid WWIII.
Airbus builds some really beautiful airplanes.
Frank
gravenimage says
Grimly true about Erdogan trying to create a new Caliphate, Frank.
Frank Anderson says
GI, trying to learn from history, I ponder what France, the UK, Belgium and others would have done with millions of Nazi invaders pretending to be refugees within their borders at the start of WWII. Germany had only about 70 million people counting Austria and Czechoslovakia under its control when it invaded Poland. What if it had 1.5 billion/milliard people as islam has today; and just 1 percent of them were single, military age within the borders of the EU? Come to think of it, that is not far from the situation today!
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonsoir Frank,
Keep in mind Turks and Persians aren’t Arabs.
If I have a good memory, once I asked a North African (Tunisian): “can you tell me why you do not like us and love Turks who occupied your country for centuries?” he answered: “Who told you we like them?”. That says it all.
The Ottoman Empire is died and buried to the great relief of the Arabic nations, Eastern Europe, Russia, Iran …
Peoples have woken up and “the days when empires could treat sovereign nations as peaces on a chess board are over” (I read) wether the sultan likes it or not.
There will be no peace in the world as long as nations, without exception, have not the right to self determination.
There is an Arabic adage that “My brother against my brother and both against my cousin” (I heard). I am afraid it does not work like that in the Mediterranean world and elsewhere.
In the 16th century, when France was threatened in particular by the Habsburg, the Catholic king Francis 1st allied himself with the Muslim Ottoman sultan (1536). This alliance lasted until Napoleon!
Egypt and Greece are friends since antiquity. It seems Saoudi Arabia doesn’t hate Israelis and Americans. Algerians and Moroccans do not get well together, French do not really like the Germans (and as far I am concerned it’s the least a French can say), but both are Europeans with a Christian tradition. We prefer Russians ….
I do not read Nostradamus, his verses are abstruse, they are written in old French and I can’t understand the text, all I know is that wars can be avoided.
And you know as well as I do that if you want to defeat your enemies, you must destroy their spirit.
However I agree with Luke 2:14 : Peace be for every man of good will and there are men of good will in Turkey and elsewhere!
Stay safe
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, I hope what you have written comes true. I fear it could fail in the face of muslim fervor for holy war.
Please remember Viktor Frankl’s “delusion of reprieve”. When things are horrible, make up some vision to reduce the horror. When that is the only choice, it means living another day until another choice becomes available. But when other choices are present, delusions can prevent effective action.
Peace and success to you.
Frank
gravenimage says
Lavéritétriomphera, Arabs and Persians may not like the Ottoman Turks, but they still believe in the Caliphate, I
m afraid.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonjour Frank,
It is clear to me that servants and slaves do not like their « master ».
Nobody likes to be told what to do.
And how did Egypt and Greece react to the sultan’s statement?
As far as I know they disregard him.
There is your answer.
Read a history book, the Arabic nations were vassal states of the Ottoman Empire, and I do not think they have positive memories of this period.
For better days
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Respected Kevin, I think you are considering this situation through European eyes instead of muslim eyes, when it is muslims making their decisions. Islam means “submission” a lifetime of slavery devoted to killing and death, with heaven as the reward. Rational people who are capable of thought do not want to be slaves. But how do you read any of the foundational books of islam or any of its history and conclude that muslims are rational? This is in all friendship and respect where I think you are delusional.
I don’t know if Bill Warner’s 4 book “trilogy” is available in French. I have read them in English and appreciate his work to unscramble and reveal the truth that is so obscure in traditional muslim publications. I observe that most people who comment here see islam for what it is, and that is anything but rational.
Remember the millions of Jews who refused to believe Hitler was serious about killing them. Muslim intentions have been proven for 1400 years. One way or another they want all non-muslims, sub-human, worthless for nothing more than slavery or death infidels to “convert, submit or die.” Every German was not a Nazi. But every German either went along or was killed. Search the story about Sophie Scholl for one example. Frank
Lavéritétriomphera says
Re-bonjour Frank,
Salut à toi gravenimage,
I see the situation through the Mediterranean and European Eyes, and I find difficult to believe the caliphate may be restored.
We, Europeans, have bitter memories of the theocratic power.
The Muslim world is heterogeneous and it is clear to me some Mediterraneans (Muslim or not) do not want to hear about an Ottoman califat (or not Turkish) anymore.
Stay well
Amitiés
gravenimage says
They may not want another Ottoman Caliphate, but most Muslims do indeed want to see a Caliphate.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonjour Gravenimage,
The Sultan must know the restoration of the Sunni Caliphate would be more problematic without Turkey.
Amitiés
mortimer says
Erdogan speaks as if 1) the Ottoman Empire has not been defeated and 2) that the Republic of Turkey has not replaced the caliphate and 3) that Turkey has retained its former colonies in Europe, Asia and Africa.
The modern countries that are former parts of the Ottoman Empire should vigorously object to their respective Turkish ambassadors in the strongest diplomatic language possible.
gravenimage says
Turkey’s Erdogan declares agreement between Egypt and Greece null and void
……………….
A pronunciation from “Caliph” Erdogan. I hope these two nations tell him to take a hike.
Here is what has irked this Turk:
“Egypt and Greece sign agreement on exclusive economic zone”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-egypt-greece/egypt-and-greece-sign-agreement-on-exclusive-economic-zone-idUSKCN252216
GreekEmpress says
I declare Erdogan null and void!
gravenimage says
🙂
Jack Cade says
Time for some American ordinance to be dropped on that dick’s head!
katherine says
This is obviously an extremely dangerous man who can trigger a major multi-partisan war. Is it so difficult to null and void him with a 12.7 mm ?
Lauren Hermann says
Brilliant idea!
john smith says
If there ever was a candidate for the Biblical antichrist it has to be Erdogan, he is ticking all the boxes.
The antichrist comes as a man of peace, Erdogan’s troops in Syria are supposedly on a peace keeping mission. This is a tactic I believe he will use again and again to engulf other nations i.e. Libya being the next.
He is an extremely dangerous man, and rather sooner than later he will have to be confronted.
Having said that, I do hope I’m wrong.
Adam says
Erdogan is continued proof that terrorism works. The EU is a clown show and will just continue to pay, with both its money and its daughters.
Dov Berrol says
Erdogan is sounding and acting more and more like Hitler. We should start calling him “der Fuhrer”….
Boycott_Turkey says
Erdogan will fall again https://youtu.be/FKPRvMV2SL8
Mischief Maker in the Land says
The name Recep is pronounced rather like rat-ship.
Ratship makes a suitable title, or form of address.
OLD GUY says
Power hungry bastard.
OLD GUY says
Erdogan the little Hitler.
spiro says
This guy may be nuts but he’s still dangerous and should be watched
Carefully
mortimerzilch says
he is demonically possessed…like many political leaders including Obama, NY governor Cuomo …just profile their actions against typically demonic hatred and you will see there is an undeniabl correlation.