He also said “I wanted to kill a cop in the name of Allah.”
But “a police source” said “there is no affiliation with terror groups or any evidence he is even religious.” And of course, as is so often the case, “detectives are also investigating whether Elrezz had any mental health conditions which may have led to the alleged attack.”
Of course. Mental illness. Why, what else could it possibly be?
This willful ignorance on the part of Western authorities will be the death of Western societies. Paramount for these irresponsible police authorities is to make sure that no one think ill of Islam, and to foster complacency and ignorance among their people regarding the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat.
“Anti-terror cops probe man, 32, who allegedly tried to murder policeman in frenzied knife attack before muttering ‘Allahu Akhbar’ and telling officers he ‘wanted to kill in the name of God,'” by Brittany Chain and Shive Prema, Daily Mail Australia, September 2, 2020 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Anti-terror police are probing a man accused of trying to murder officers and muttering ‘Allahu Akhbar’ under his breath after the alleged attack.
Frederick Fadi Elrezz, from Lakemba in Sydney’s south west, was arrested and charged with attempted murder at about 12.20am on Wednesday.
He is accused of attacking two officers with a knife and biting a third on York Street in the Sydney CBD.
Soon after, Elrezz allegedly told officers: ‘I wanted to kill a cop in the name of Allah’, The Australian reported.
He also allegedly said ‘Allahu Akhbar’ during his subsequent interview.
There is nothing in the 32-year-old’s history that indicates he supports extremist agendas or that he has been radicalised.
But anti-terror teams will investigate his background to assess any potential links to terror organisations.
‘It is routine in something like this,’ a police source told The Daily Telegraph.
‘But there is no affiliation with terror groups or any evidence he is even religious.’
When police collected Elrezz’s belongings from the York St hostel where he’d spent the last 10 days, they didn’t find anything which linked him to terrorism.
But police allege he may have some ideological beliefs.
Multiple search warrants were executed across several addresses following his arrest, and several items have been seized.
But senior officials have stopped short of calling the incident terror-related, pending inquiries into Elrezz’s history.
Detectives are also investigating whether Elrezz had any mental health conditions which may have led to the alleged attack….
talleyrand says
Koala bears they to are a protected species in Australia
mortimer says
The Australian cops should be trained to recognize a jihadist.
At present, it appears that they couldn’t recognize a jihadist even if their head was being sliced off.
Keith O says
Mortimer,
The cops on the street have had a gut full of the powers that be treating the Mudslimes with kid gloves, Too many votes involved.
And as for the “detectives”, well the name the street cops have for them is Elephant trackers, meaning they couldn’t follow an Elephant through the snow!!!
As a result of all this, the frustration level with the boys in blue is very high.
j c a reid says
Well the indoctrination of the Aussie Police is well & truly on its way. Or, this Officer has been ordered to say that by his superiors. Pathetic all round..
RANDALL ANDERSON says
Within seconds of my comment to this story on facebook, popped up with the notice I have violated COMMUNITY STANDARDS on ‘race, ethnicity, religion’ ETC…. ONE MORE AND I MAY BE SUSPENDED
for commenting thusly:
‘Send them back to their Desert HELL-HOLES, where they can screw their goats and beat their women.’
Snce none of my words should have triggered them, I suspect they are monitoring http://www.jihadwatch.org
Not surprised …
? says
https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/35374/is-this-hadith-authentic-only-an-honorable-man-treats-women-with-honor-and-int/35389
link filled with ways of how to treat women.
‘Send them back to their Desert HELL-HOLES, where they can screw their goats and beat their women.’ where was Jesus from again? If you’re going to criticize Islam, please make sense
gravenimage says
Note that ? here links to a Hadith that no one at the link can find is authentic. I cannot find this any collection of Sahih Hadith, either. Citations?
Then, ? does not mention that the Qur’an itself tells Muslims to beat women if they so much as fear disobedience from them:
“Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them”
–Qur’an 4:34
Jesus is not Muslim, no matter what Islam claims about the vicious “prophet Isa”.
? says
You can. if you search the hadith up on google, you can find it. To do this, you have to understand Hadith. Hadith are the things that Prophet Muhammad has said. These Hadith are narrated by many many people such as Muslim, Sahih, and Bukhari, who are all extremely popular and 100% authentic.
Please share the ayah with allows beating women if they are disobedient and I will answer based on the Hadith.
“Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.”
Oh, by in charge means responsible. It doesn’t mean “owners.” It kind of means caretakers. Back when the Prophet was alive, 1400 years ago, it was usually the men who were the breadwinners, thus they were responsible that the women were fed, taken care of. (it basically means provide for the woman, provide them with food, with shelter, with care, etc.) I’m not a scholar, I am 13 years old , so I THINK the other part of the Ayah is about adultery, since it mentions “guarding in the husbands absence what Allah would have them guard.” And the strike part is probably about the punishment of Adultery for MEN AND WOMEN: stoning to death. Also, no matter what you think about rape, rape isn’t allowed in Islam (obviously.) The punishment for rape is also stoning to death. (for the rapist not the victim.) Due to this punishment, almost no one would commit adultery or rape people. unfortunately, that isnt the case today in Afghanistan, where the pigs called the “Taliban” do whatever they want, regardless of what the Qur’an says.
More about womens rights. The main womens rights as agreed upon by scholars:
– to marry someone of their choice. (woman can say no to arranged marriages.)
– to retain their identity after marriage.
– to divorce
– to work (Prophet Muhammad’s first wife Khadijah was actually a very, very, very rich businesswoman. she was prophet Muhammad’s BOSS too. Prophet Muhammad worked as a merchant for her. So there you go for the people wondering why Islam doesn’t allow women to work. Islam DOES allow woman to work. Many men are reluctant nowadays to allow woman to work because of the indecency nowadays. For example, they don’t want their wives to be sexually harassed or assaulted, which happens to most women at least once nowadays.)
– To own and sell property
– To seek protection by the law.
– To vote, which was given to women 1400 years ago in Islam. Go back 1400 years in Europe, woman were being treated worse than trash. Actually, that was happening until like 300 years ago. then women in Europe started getting some respect.
– to participate in civic and political engagement.
bruh, do you think Jesus’ followers called him “Jesus?” NO THEY DID NOT! They were ARAB not CAUCASIAN. Also, don’t say “vicious prophet Isa.” Prophet Isa and Jesus are the same person. isa is just jesus’ name in Arabic. Muslims believe in Jesus, just not as God.
Any further questions, please feel free to ask. (I’m serious, ask me whatever you want.)
? says
i am trying to post a message i did but its not working. they probably blocked me
FYI says
@?
I have so many questions like..concerning women’s rights.
1}WWAS?
What Would Aisha Say?
“Aisha said to muhammed.’you have made us equal to the dogs and asses’
{Sahih Muslim 4:1039}
Does it look like Aisha considered muhammed to be a feminist as Linda Sarsour loves to boast?
{‘women are compared to slaves and camels with the evil in them’Abu Dawud 2155}
2}It is explained in the Bible {Genesis 1:27} that people are made in the spiritual image of God and thus women MUST be equal to men.
Yet in islam.women are HALF the value of Men{koran 2:282}
How did allah MISS Genesis 1:27?
3}An adult male who has sex with a 9 year old {Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236} is a
a]pedophile b]holy man c]never happens in islam
{Answer a}
That would be your ‘prophet’ muhammed
You say ‘rape’ is not allowed in islam:Aisha was 9 YEARS OLD.A child cannot consent to be in a relationship with an adult so Aisha was RAPED by muhammed.
AND…
islam does permit RAPE of captive women{SUNAN ABU DAWUD VOL 2 hadith #2155}
4}That hijab?
“If they wear that it will be known that they are not servants or whores’
Tafsir Ibn Kathir 33:59
A women who does not wear a hijab..it “will be KNOWN” she is a servant/whore.
Do you see that has NOTHING to do with any god but is a man made rule?
gravenimage says
? wrote:
You can. if you search the hadith up on google, you can find it. To do this, you have to understand Hadith. Hadith are the things that Prophet Muhammad has said. These Hadith are narrated by many many people such as Muslim, Sahih, and Bukhari, who are all extremely popular and 100% authentic.
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What a moron. It is the Hadith collections of Muslim and Bukhari that are considered Sahih (“reliable”), Sahih is not a collection of Hadiths.
Then, I can find no reference to this Hadith’s Isnad Chain–if ? had it, he would have posted it. I won’t be holding my breath…
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Please share the ayah with allows beating women if they are disobedient and I will answer based on the Hadith.
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This is absurd–the Qur’an is considered sacred and “uncreated” in Islam–you don’t answer the Qur’an with the Hadith.
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“Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.”
Oh, by in charge means responsible. It doesn’t mean “owners.” It kind of means caretakers. Back when the Prophet was alive, 1400 years ago, it was usually the men who were the breadwinners, thus they were responsible that the women were fed, taken care of. (it basically means provide for the woman, provide them with food, with shelter, with care, etc.) I’m not a scholar, I am 13 years old , so I THINK the other part of the Ayah is about adultery, since it mentions “guarding in the husbands absence what Allah would have them guard.” And the strike part is probably about the punishment of Adultery for MEN AND WOMEN: stoning to death.
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Where to start with this load of Taqiyya? Islam is brutally misogynistic.
The claim that “arrogance’ means adultery is absurd. Then, is ? saying that Muslims were openly sleeping with men as well as women? What rot.
This Ayat is about Muslims so much as fearing that women might not be obedient–then they can be sent away, and finally beaten. The “Prophet” Muhammed in fact beat his child bride Aisha:
Sahih Muslim Book 004, Hadith Number 2127:
He (The Prophet, peace be upon him) hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O ‘Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?
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Then, the idea that ? is thirteen is laughable. Maybe he means he has the mentality of a thirteen-year-old boy–but few are so ugly.
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Also, no matter what you think about rape, rape isn’t allowed in Islam (obviously.) The punishment for rape is also stoning to death. (for the rapist not the victim.) Due to this punishment, almost no one would commit adultery or rape people. unfortunately, that isnt the case today in Afghanistan, where the pigs called the “Taliban” do whatever they want, regardless of what the Qur’an says.
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Rape is *sacralized* in Islam. The “Prophet” regularly raped victims, and even chided his thug companions for *not* raping their captives:
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More about womens rights. The main womens rights as agreed upon by scholars:
– to marry someone of their choice. (woman can say no to arranged marriages.)
– to retain their identity after marriage.
– to divorce
– to work (Prophet Muhammad’s first wife Khadijah was actually a very, very, very rich businesswoman. she was prophet Muhammad’s BOSS too. Prophet Muhammad worked as a merchant for her. So there you go for the people wondering why Islam doesn’t allow women to work. Islam DOES allow woman to work. Many men are reluctant nowadays to allow woman to work because of the indecency nowadays. For example, they don’t want their wives to be sexually harassed or assaulted, which happens to most women at least once nowadays.)
– To own and sell property
– To seek protection by the law.
– To vote, which was given to women 1400 years ago in Islam. Go back 1400 years in Europe, woman were being treated worse than trash. Actually, that was happening until like 300 years ago. then women in Europe started getting some respect.
– to participate in civic and political engagement.
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Note that ? doesn’t cite a single Islamic source for any of this–and how could he? Note, further, that Khadijah ran a business *before* the age of Islam–notably, there is not a single woman who did the same in all of the Islamic texts.
Then, there are few Muslim women of note in the entire history of Islam. Can ? cite where Muslim women were given the vote–something that Islam condemns even for men? Of course not.
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bruh, do you think Jesus’ followers called him “Jesus?” NO THEY DID NOT! They were ARAB not CAUCASIAN. Also, don’t say “vicious prophet Isa.” Prophet Isa and Jesus are the same person. isa is just jesus’ name in Arabic. Muslims believe in Jesus, just not as God.
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Jesus is indeed called Jesus many times in the Bible. Then, there is no indication that there ever was a historical “prophet Isa”. Certainly, the murderous “prophet Isa” has *nothing* in common with the loving Jesus of the Gospels.
Jesus was Jewish–not Arab. Not even the texts of Islam claim he was Arab. And the idea that Christians have said that Jesus is Caucasian is absurd. Citations?
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Any further questions, please feel free to ask. (I’m serious, ask me whatever you want.)
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Now we know where to go for a heapin’ helping of Taqiyya…
More from ?:
i am trying to post a message i did but its not working. they probably blocked me
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? has been going on here at length. What is he babbling about?
gravenimage says
Fine points, FYI.
LB says
Cops in AU:
– Mass violent BLM protests? I sleep.
– Muslims assaulting non-muslims? I sleep.
– Liking a facebook page about peaceful protest against quarantine lockdown? NOW YOU FUCKED UP MOTHERFUCKER!!!
Shirley Ann says
Australians will have to become accustomed to So-Called GOV PROTECTED GROUPS, that can actually get away with murder. Every Government Establishment has them as “SACRED COWS” & Regardless of Political leanings of new Administrations,
the Protected Groups are eternally protected.
MUSLIMS, LGBTQP, AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE JUST 3 of them in America & more groups are FIGHTING TO GET THAT SPECIAL STATUS.
mgoldberg says
When a person, who happens to attempt to kill police, and just happens to mention that he wanted to kill a cop in the name of God, and utters, ‘allahu akbar’ that pretty much sums up the baseline for a muslim jihadist. He doesn’t have to belong to any group of known ‘terrorists’. He is simply …. a muslim who has the basic belief that Jihad is righteous and he wishes to fulfill that command. Whatever construct he uses or creates is secondary. He is a ‘Jihadist’, or one who believes that killing non believers is righteous, and holy. The danger to ‘all others’ is the obvious conclusion, and that is the baseline.
? says
And when a country is terrorizing the world, or has been terrorizing the world, yet no one speaks up about it, then you know that the country pulled a “European.”
gravenimage says
In other words, Jihad terror is fine–but any attempt to defend against Jihad is bad. Typical Islamic point of view.
Ghost/ ? says
In other words, Europe has been terrorizing the world for 100’s of years. Not sure how I asserted the fact that jihad is fine. Also, your definition of jihad is completely wrong. Jihad doesn’t mean blowing up a block and killing 35 people. jihad means dying for the sake of God. Now, for Europeans, this meant TERRORIZING natives, and opening residential schools. I guess I can now turn
https://www.google.com/search?q=taqiyya+meaning&rlz=1CASFKO_enCA916&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK85TiydjrAhVCmHIEHeUnDJcQ_AUoAXoECBIQAw&biw=1366&bih=665&safe=active&ssui=on#imgrc=hf5HFQ9cEjPehM
this picture and at the top put we would like to trade with you, in the middle, we are claiming this land for the king, and at the bottom, CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY OR ELSE. Now did I pin this incident on Christianity no i did not.
Also, terrorizing natives and African Americans is defending against Jihad? Is that what you’re trying to say?
Terrorizing the people who aren’t Christians and forcing them to convert. Now, would you rather do this or Taqiyya?
anyways, Jihad means dying for the sake of Allah. Which you obviously don’t know since you assigned the word Jihad to suicide bombing.In an Islamic context, it can refer to almost any effort to make personal and social life conform with God’s guidance, such as struggle against one’s evil inclinations, proselytizing, or efforts toward the moral betterment of the ummah. though it is most frequently associated with war In classical Islamic law, the term refers to armed struggle against unbelievers, while modernist Islamic scholars generally equate military jihad with DEFENSIVE WARFARE. In Sufi and pious circles, spiritual and moral jihad has been traditionally emphasized under the name of greater jihad. The term has gained additional attention in recent decades through its use by terrorist groups, who kill innocent civilians and use Jihad as an explanation, even though they committed murder, which’s punishment in Islam is death. (unless the murderer repents, of course, and the victims family chooses to forgive the person.)
Okay, about taqiyya, which is extremely misunderstood. you can call it esoteric because if I say misunderstood you will go into another apologist rant. There are two main aspects of taqiyya; avoiding the disclosure of association with the Imams when doing so may expose the community to danger or harm, and keeping the esoteric teachings of the Imams concealed from those who are not prepared to receive them.
Wikipedia describes it as “Taqiya or Taqiyya is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. A related term is Kitmān, which has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.”
Britannica describes it as “Taqiyyah, in Islam, the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury. Derived from the Arabic word waqa (“to shield oneself”), taqiyyah defies easy translation.
And britannica was right, it does defy easy translation.
TAQIYYA IS BASICALLY LYING TO PREVENT EVIL FROM BEING DONE. For example, I will share this story with you. Ibn Sa’d in his book „al-Tabaqat al-Kubra”, narrates on the authority of Ibn Sirin:
The Prophet (S) saw ‘Ammar Ibn Yasir (ra) crying, so he (S) wiped off his (ra) tears, and said: “The nonbelievers arrested you and immersed you in water until you said such and such (i.e., bad-mouthing the Prophet (S) and praising the pagan gods to escape persecution); if they come back, then say it again.
basically the nonbelievers waterboarded the boy until he started praising pagan Gods and bad mouthing the prophet so that they would stop torturing him. the prophet old him to do the same if they came back. this is taqiyya, since he lief to prevent him from being further harmed. taqiyya isn’t lying to make people convert to Islam. The prophet would disapprove of that.
Another story about taqiyya.
Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti in his book, „al-Ashbah Wa al-Naza’ir” affirms that:
It is acceptable (for a Muslim) to eat the meat of a dead animal at a time of great hunger (starvation to the extent that the stomach is devoid of all food); and to loosen a bite of food (for fear of choking to death) by alcohol; and to utter words of unbelief; and if one is living in an environment where evil and corruption are the pervasive norm, and permissible things (Halal) are the exception and a rarity, then one can utilize whatever is available to fulfill his needs.
TAQIYYA IS NOT LYING TO MAKE PEOPLE CONVERT TO ISLAM!
I mean, 99.99% of Muslims don’t even understand what taqiyya is, as we hear about Muslims who define Taqiyya incorrectly, but every alt-right Twitter troll is an expert on Islamic theology now, which is completely absurd.
Mohammad Fadel, an expert on Islamic law at the University of Toronto, described taqiyya (and its many alternative spellings) as “a doctrine of prudential dissimulation” that arose from a time when Muslims were minorities in hostile societies. It instructed Muslims that hiding one’s faith could be permissible to escape persecution. It’s more closely associated with the Shiite branch of Islam, whose adherents are themselves often minorities within Muslim societies.
“The Qur’an permitted Muslims in that situation, who were fleeing death or torture or other bad treatment, to dissemble about their true beliefs. And as long as they were faithful in their hearts, they would not be considered sinful,” Fadel told BuzzFeed News.
But this idea has mushroomed, Fadel said, into a false claim that Muslims are permitted, or even commanded, to lie to non-Muslims as part of a larger project to take over Western countries and impose Sharia, or Islamic law. He said taqiyya does not allow for broad deceptions and has no connection to Sharia.
“Unfortunately, it’s really become dogma among the right in North America, really the entire anti-Muslim coalition you see in the West,” Fadel said.
Any other questions please feel free to ask.
Cheers, Ghost/?
Ghost/ ? says
In other words, Europe has been terrorizing the world for hundreds of years. not sure how you interpreed my words as supportive of jihad. Unfortunately, I thought writing countless essays against jihad would’ve been enough to signify that i am not pro-jihad. also, your definition of taqiyya AND jihad is wrong smartass.
gravenimage says
More from Ghost/ ?:
In other words, Europe has been terrorizing the world for 100’s of years. Not sure how I asserted the fact that jihad is fine. Also, your definition of jihad is completely wrong. Jihad doesn’t mean blowing up a block and killing 35 people. jihad means dying for the sake of God. Now, for Europeans, this meant TERRORIZING natives, and opening residential schools.
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Opening schools is terrorizing people? More clues as to how pious Muslims think. Westerners have also opened clinics and hospitals. Bad dhimmis!
Then, Jihad is “killing and being killed in the path of Allah”. So Muslims can slaughter Infidels or other Muslims deemed lax. If they are also killed while murdering or trying to murder Infidels, they are considered Martyrs. This is considered by Muslims to be the only sure way to gain paradise.
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I guess I can now turn
https://www.google.com/search?q=taqiyya+meaning&rlz=1CASFKO_enCA916&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK85TiydjrAhVCmHIEHeUnDJcQ_AUoAXoECBIQAw&biw=1366&bih=665&safe=active&ssui=on#imgrc=hf5HFQ9cEjPehM
this picture and at the top put we would like to trade with you, in the middle, we are claiming this land for the king, and at the bottom, CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY OR ELSE. Now did I pin this incident on Christianity no i did not.
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This link from Ghost/ ? is actually about Taqiyya–lying to Infidels to further the cause of Islam. The idea that this is about Christians trying to force conversion to Christianity is utterly false.
And Christians have traded with non-Christians since the beginning, so this is claptrap in any case.
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Also, terrorizing natives and African Americans is defending against Jihad? Is that what you’re trying to say?
Terrorizing the people who aren’t Christians and forcing them to convert. Now, would you rather do this or Taqiyya?
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The idea that you either have to force people to convert to Christianity or else lie to them in the name of Islam is just bizarre. No more so than most of this tripe, though.
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anyways, Jihad means dying for the sake of Allah. Which you obviously don’t know since you assigned the word Jihad to suicide bombing.In an Islamic context, it can refer to almost any effort to make personal and social life conform with God’s guidance, such as struggle against one’s evil inclinations, proselytizing, or efforts toward the moral betterment of the ummah. though it is most frequently associated with war In classical Islamic law, the term refers to armed struggle against unbelievers, while modernist Islamic scholars generally equate military jihad with DEFENSIVE WARFARE. In Sufi and pious circles, spiritual and moral jihad has been traditionally emphasized under the name of greater jihad.
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Suicide bombings are indeed a prime example of killing and being killed in the way of Allah. In fact, many Islamic clerics have become incensed over the term suicide bombing for just this reason–because it is killing and being killed for Allah, and not suicide in the more benign sense.
Then, Muslims conquered Arabia, the Middle East, the Mahgreb, the Sahel, the Iberian peninsula, Sicily, Greece, the Balkans, Anatolia, Persia, and much of India–is this Taqiyya-spewing Mohammedan claiming that all of this savagery is “defensive”? This is only true if you consider the existence of Infidels living in freedom to be “offensive”–as so many pious Muslims do.
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The term has gained additional attention in recent decades through its use by terrorist groups, who kill innocent civilians and use Jihad as an explanation, even though they committed murder, which’s punishment in Islam is death. (unless the murderer repents, of course, and the victims family chooses to forgive the person.)
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Taqiyya about Taqiyya. Note that almost no Muslim states put people to death for killing Infidels–and why would they? The “Prophet” Muhammed himself kidnapped, robbed, raped, and mass slaughtered Infidels–and he is the model for Muslim behavior.
Besides, if Ghost/ ? *really* believed this, then he would be telling his fellow Muslims how they have gotten their faith so very, very wrong–instead of spending time here lying to the ‘filthy Infidel’.
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Okay, about taqiyya, which is extremely misunderstood. you can call it esoteric because if I say misunderstood you will go into another apologist rant. There are two main aspects of taqiyya; avoiding the disclosure of association with the Imams when doing so may expose the community to danger or harm, and keeping the esoteric teachings of the Imams concealed from those who are not prepared to receive them.
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Mostly, Taqiyya is intended to keep Infidels in the dark about the threat of Islam–as Ghost/ ? is trying to do here. It is also, in some cases, used to lie to other Muslims who are apt to be a threat–for instance, minority Shia often lie to majority Sunnis for just this reason.
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Wikipedia describes it as “Taqiya or Taqiyya is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. A related term is Kitmān, which has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.”
Britannica describes it as “Taqiyyah, in Islam, the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury. Derived from the Arabic word waqa (“to shield oneself”), taqiyyah defies easy translation.
And britannica was right, it does defy easy translation.
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This is, as I noted, the situation between Shia and Sunnis. Islam is such a vicious creed.
And no–Taqiyya is not really a difficult concept to grasp–unpleasant, but not difficult.
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TAQIYYA IS BASICALLY LYING TO PREVENT EVIL FROM BEING DONE…
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Yes–and what is considered one of the greatest “evils” now? Infidels understanding the threat of Islam. Muslims–as here with Ghost/ ?–lie to non-Muslims all the time, trying to present Islam as benign.
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TAQIYYA IS NOT LYING TO MAKE PEOPLE CONVERT TO ISLAM!
I mean, 99.99% of Muslims don’t even understand what taqiyya is, as we hear about Muslims who define Taqiyya incorrectly, but every alt-right Twitter troll is an expert on Islamic theology now, which is completely absurd.
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Taqiyya is indeed used to make people convert to Islam–such as having them recite the Shehada without knowing its meaning, or that they can be killed if they then try to leave Islam.
But this is, as I have already noted, not the only use of Taqiyya.
Then, Ghost/ ? has not actually been able to show that I’ve got anything about his foul creed wrong. Muslims are in fact enraged when Infidels read the texts of Islam with a critical eye, and discern the threat of that vicious ideology. Poor Mohammedans…
Note, also, that Ghost/ ? does not explain how opposing the horrors of Jihad and Shari’ah is “alt-right”. And doesn’t he know that we are not on Twitter here? I guess not…
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Mohammad Fadel, an expert on Islamic law at the University of Toronto, described taqiyya (and its many alternative spellings) as “a doctrine of prudential dissimulation” that arose from a time when Muslims were minorities in hostile societies. It instructed Muslims that hiding one’s faith could be permissible to escape persecution. It’s more closely associated with the Shiite branch of Islam, whose adherents are themselves often minorities within Muslim societies.
“The Qur’an permitted Muslims in that situation, who were fleeing death or torture or other bad treatment, to dissemble about their true beliefs. And as long as they were faithful in their hearts, they would not be considered sinful,” Fadel told BuzzFeed News.
But this idea has mushroomed, Fadel said, into a false claim that Muslims are permitted, or even commanded, to lie to non-Muslims as part of a larger project to take over Western countries and impose Sharia, or Islamic law. He said taqiyya does not allow for broad deceptions and has no connection to Sharia.
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More Taqiyya about Taqiyya. The “Prophet” Muhammed himself said that assassins could lie to those who dared to criticize Islam in order to get close enough to murder them. That is what Muslims are principally using Taqiyya for here in the West, writ large.
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“Unfortunately, it’s really become dogma among the right in North America, really the entire anti-Muslim coalition you see in the West,” Fadel said.
Any other questions please feel free to ask.
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The idea that our not wanting to be raped and slaughtered by Muslims and have Shari’ah law imposed on us is just politically “right” makes no sense at all.
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In other words, Europe has been terrorizing the world for hundreds of years. not sure how you interpreed my words as supportive of jihad. Unfortunately, I thought writing countless essays against jihad would’ve been enough to signify that i am not pro-jihad. also, your definition of taqiyya AND jihad is wrong smartass.
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Ghost/ ? has been unable to show that I am wrong in any way about Taqiyya and Jihad. His just saying it does not make it so.
Michael Copeland says
The Monty Python sketch keeps playing.
Michael Copeland says
“But police allege he may have some ideological beliefs.”
Yes. Very encouraging. Keep looking in that direction.
Some of these beliefs may even include “Kill them….” (Koran 2:191, 9:5).
There might well be a connection.
Keep going, Sydney police.
? says
Mr. Copeland, if you want to use evidence from the Quran, please do so, but use the FULL Ayah. Don’t use the part which suppports your cause, and leave out the part that compromises itt. For example, if the ayah is “fight bravely when defending yourselves against the non-Muslims (during the time of war.)” then write that. Don’t change the meaning to “I COMMAND YOU TO KILL EVERY SINGLE NON MUSLIM FOR ME”
gravenimage says
? is of course lying about these Ayahs.
Here is the text of Qur’an 2:191:
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. If they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
And Qur’an 9:5:
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
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These are savage verses. The first says that not believing in Islam is worse than slaughter, and the second that unbelievers are to be murdered wherever they are found. This is ugly, ugly stuff–quoting the full verses does not make these any better.
Ghost/ ? says
if you receive this comment then i will explain the ayahs
gravenimage says
I await this explanation with bated breath…
FYI says
Let’s marshal the facts here..
1]He happens to be a muslim
{Not a Hindu,Christian,Buddhist,atheist etc;not all muslims behave this way but some do}
2]He was screaming ‘allahu akbar’
{The islamic war chant…}
3]He was apparently trying to murder cops{= infidels}
{The koran commands the killing of infidels k2:191/koran 2:216 etc. infidels are ‘the WORST of created beings ‘koran 98:6 and inferior to muslims,thus can be Jizya-taxed/killed etc}
It seems this has SOMETHING to do with{..I spy with my little infidel eye..}..islam.
{It cannot be said this has NOTHING to do with islam,right?}
If it walks like a duck,waddles like a duck,quacks like a duck:it is a duck.
{Or at least there is a high probability it is a duck}
If it is a muslim,shouts ‘allahu akbar’ and tries to murder an infidel.
1}To most folk:He’s a Jihadist and this of course IS connected with islamic supremacist beliefs.
2}To the media/police :He is mentally ill and[CHORUS}” this has nothing to do with islam”
Because to the MSM..
{CHORUS}”iSlaM has nothing to do with IsLAm”
owensgate says
Under this “Down Under” paradigm, I assume that as a ” ‘Non-Denominational’ Born Again follower of Christ”, as opposed to a “Methodist”, “Presbyterian”, whatever, nothing I do can be attributed to “Christianity” as such. So it seems “By their fruits ye shall know them” is lost on the Aussies.
FYI says
We know the fruits of islam well by now:dissembling,violence,barbarism,the absence of peace,intolerance…
? says
I am a Muslim. If you have any questions or remarks about Islam, feel free to ask.
gravenimage says
Why does ? here say nothing critical about his pious coreligionist here screaming about the greatness of “Allah” while trying to murder a police officer?
Why are so many like ? who try to whitewash Islam so pathetically bad at it?
Awaiting ?’s answers with bated breath…
? says
Oh, that’s because I answered that above. And since you want an answer, keep reading. Please, if you want to judge Islam, please don’t look at American funded terrorist groups, and psychopaths. Do we Muslims judge Christianity and Christian people based on the “wonderful and brave explorers” who raped, tortured, killed, and pillaged Native Americans. And the other wonderful explorers who did the same in all but 22 countries? No, we don’t. Do we base it on how Europeans enslaved African Americans because of their skin colour. How they beat, worked them to the bone. How they raped their women? No, we do not. Do we base it on their reason for doing so: “oh, we were doing it for their own good. we want the savages to be like us.” You see, what the terrorists have been doing for 25 years, the Europeans have been doing for centuries. Also, please don’t use fabricated or greatly altered “hadith and ayahs” of the Qur’an to support your outrageous claims. If you want to use a Hadith, use its proper meaning. Don’t turn “Fight bravely when defending yourselves against hostiles” to “Kill every single Non-Muslim you see.”
Also, I’m pretty sure the europeans screamed about the greatness of their queen while committing atrocities against pretty much the whole world.
If you have a question, please feel free to ask. (I’m serious, if you have a question, I will do my best to answer it.)
Cheers, ?
FYI says
@?
muslim..
“If you have a question,please feel free to ask”
SECOND ATTEMPT
YOU answer the questions I posted earlier below.:not even ONE can you answer?
YOU have been asked questions:now ANSWER the questions instead of running away like you muslims always do.
These are rhetorical question:I know the answers.
You have had plenty of time:ANSWERS please.
Come on muslim apologist:ANSWER the questions about YOUR islam below.
{No sophistry,no taqqiya,no fiddling the Arabic}
FYI says
@?
Perhaps some easier questions might be required..
1]allah has MARY in the Christian Doctrine of the Trinity{koran 5:116} but Mary is not in the Trinity
Show how allah’s Epic Theology error means the Wisdom source revealed in the Bible is missing in islam
2]”WE bestowed upon Jesus the Gospel”koran 5:46
Explain how it is possible allah gave Jesus the Gospel when the Gospel was written down AFTER the time of Jesus.
3]”the prophet whom they will find described in the Torah and Gospel”
koran 7:157
Explain how muhammed{who is NOT from the ‘children of Israel,allah’s own criterion of who had the right to be a prophet koran 45:16} can be in the Bible when 1]he is not found in the Bible 2]he is NOT QUALIFIED to be in the Bible as he is not from the children of Israel.
4]”The moon was split in two”
koran 54:1
Tell us about that:Feel free to use Astronomy databases
Ghost/ ? says
Also, I did say something critical on your above post. whatever.
cheers, Ghost/?
Ghost/ ? says
also, i wasn’t screaming about the greatness of Allah. I was only explaining why the claims you stated were false. Am I insulting you in a way that doesn’t make sense? No, I am not insulting you at all. If you want to insult me, either make sense, or don’t do it at all.
On another note, I have a question. What would Jesus think if he saw this post?
Cheers, Ghost/?
Ghost/ ? says
Oops, disregard my last post. i misread your post. Actually, disregard the first half of my post. I thought you said that I was screaming about the greatness of Allah.
gravenimage says
? wrote:
Oh, that’s because I answered that above.
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Actually, I have seen nothing from ? condemning this Jihad terror attack. But then, why would he?
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And since you want an answer, keep reading. Please, if you want to judge Islam, please don’t look at American funded terrorist groups, and psychopaths.
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The idea that it is Americans waging violent Jihad in the name of Islam and not Muslims makes no sense whatsoever. And why would Muslim “psychopaths” be waging violent Jihad, if this was actually just something that the ‘filthy Infidels” did?
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Do we Muslims judge Christianity and Christian people based on the “wonderful and brave explorers” who raped, tortured, killed, and pillaged Native Americans. And the other wonderful explorers who did the same in all but 22 countries? No, we don’t. Do we base it on how Europeans enslaved African Americans because of their skin colour. How they beat, worked them to the bone. How they raped their women? No, we do not. Do we base it on their reason for doing so: “oh, we were doing it for their own good. we want the savages to be like us.” You see, what the terrorists have been doing for 25 years, the Europeans have been doing for centuries.
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Christianity never taught this kind of violence, and the West has acknowledged its historical wrongs.
Moreover, the West has long since *abolished* slavery–the Muslim world never has. And why would they? The “Prophet” himself was a slaver who enslaved people, traded in slaves, and used slaves and sex slaves.
Islamic slavery continues *to this day*, and is rife in the Muslim world, Africa especially. Does ? have a problem with this? Not so he says…
Then, the idea that Jihad terror has only been going on for 25 years is absurd–it has, in fact, been going on for 1400 years–the entire history of Islam.
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Also, please don’t use fabricated or greatly altered “hadith and ayahs” of the Qur’an to support your outrageous claims. If you want to use a Hadith, use its proper meaning. Don’t turn “Fight bravely when defending yourselves against hostiles” to “Kill every single Non-Muslim you see.”
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Where have I misquoted a single Qur’anic verse or Hadith? Citations, please.
Moreover, there is no Hadith or Ayah that reads “fight bravely when defending yourselves against hostiles”. Again, citations, please.
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Also, I’m pretty sure the europeans screamed about the greatness of their queen while committing atrocities against pretty much the whole world.
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I have never heard of Euorpeans screaming the name of their queen in battle (never mind that most European nations were ruled by kings). But even if they had, this is in no way the same as acting in the name of their vicious faith, as pious Muslims do.
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If you have a question, please feel free to ask. (I’m serious, if you have a question, I will do my best to answer it.)
Cheers, ?
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I think we’ve already gotten a pretty good sense of this Taqiyya-slinging apologist for Islamic savagery here.
FYI says
@?
Let’s see now muslim..
Questions about islam?Any Questions or remarks?
Ok…
Explain the mystery of the missing Golden Rule in islam,the violation of the Two Chief commandments{Law#1Deut 6:4-9,Law#2 lev 19:17-18}in islam,allah’s EPIC THEOLOGY fail in koran 5:116 where he has MARY in the Christian Trinity,why the ‘holy’ koran gives permission to violate the Exodus 20 Decalogue when that defeats the purpose of the law being given in the first place,how is it possible allah MISSED ‘the whole of the law of Moses and the teachings of all the prophets”{= the 2 chief laws},allah’s gross misrepresentation of the Jews and his violent antisemitism{koran 2:65},allah’s SCIENTIFIC errors,allah’s denial that the Biblical prophets are JEWISH{‘Abraham was not a Jew’ koran 3:67} when in the same koran he tells us the prophethood was given to the ‘Children of Israel'{=JEWS!} koran 45:16,how muhammed can be in the Bible {koran 7:157} when he is not from the children of Israel and so is NOT QUALIFIED to be in the Bible.
islam’s Doctrine of HATE{al walaa wal baraa}WHY?
{How did allah miss Lev19;18 chief law #2}
islam’s religious apartheid system of koran 98:6 that discriminates against non-muslims.WHY?
{How did allah miss Genesis 1:27:people are made in the spiritual image of God and are thus EQUAL before God}
There is a Wisdom source behind the Bible[all true prophets have this}but it is missing in islam and it is not discernible in the koran{and muhammed could not have had access to this Wisdom}Tell us what it is.
allah getting the revealed name of God wrong{it is YHWH,not ‘allah’}HOW?
allah’s greatest ensmy is a MAN called the ‘king of kings'{Sahih muslim vol 5 hadith #5611}
Tell us how allah’s enemy is not shaitan but a MAN of this name.
muhammed ‘s ‘my AORTA is cut’ {sahih Bukhari 4428}in relation to koran 69:43-44 showing him to be a FALSE PROPHET.Explain
But you cannot answer these questions about your religion.
You can ‘phone an islamic ‘scholar’ friend’ but they won’t know the answers.
allah gives an unwitting clue to where the answers can be found:koran 10:94
You have a false god,a false scripture and a false prophet:it isn’t hard to figure it out {but you don’t want to figure it out.You prefer to be guided by the ‘power of error’ so that you believe what you know to be false.The reason is explained in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 10-12
? says
bruh i am not on my Chromebook 24/7. i just checked your post. I will be happy to answer, but you have posted like a whole novel. please combine all the questions into 1 post. i will answer them tomorrow evening since I have online school tomorrow. Actually, since i can’t answer questions on some threads, why don’t you just email me?
seacrestliam@gmail.com
(fake name used) lol
Ghost/ ? says
have you ever phoned an Islamic scholar. Also, please state which part of the bible you are talking about when mentioning it. I am not a christian, and have no idea what’s written in it. i will answer a few questions right now . For example, when you say ”
islam’s Doctrine of HATE{al walaa wal baraa}WHY?
{How did allah miss Lev19;18 chief law #2}”
I haven’t got the foggiest idea of what you mean.
– “The moon is split in 2″ The complete ayah is ” The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two].” This doesn’t mean that the moon will be split in 2 regularly. The HOUR means the day of judgement. or a certain hour during the day of judgement.
– Al-wala’ wa-l-bara’ (Arabic: الولاء والبراء) is a concept in Islam, literally “loyalty and disavowal”, which signifies loving and hating for the sake of Allah. Al-wala’ wa-l-bara’ is referred to as holding fast to all that is pleasing to God, and withdrawing from and opposing all that is displeasing to Allah, for the sake of Allah. So i have no idea how that is a doctrine of hate.
– As for your genesis reference, we believe that man and woman are equal. “Men and women have equal rewards for their deeds.” Quran 3:195. Basically, Allah doesn’t care if a man or woman does something good or bad. if they did good, they get good deeds. if they do bad, they get bad deeds.
– And as for the 2 women equal 1 man question, this ayah or hadith, idk which, is talking about being a witness. for example, say jimmy killed johnny. and a man saw it. since men are built more emotionally stable than woman, (don’t try to deny this,) the man will count as 1 witness. But the woman is less emotionally stable, thus she will count as 1 witness. for example, That is why woman cry more, I don’t need to go more in depth.
Well, all for now. I have to go eat. If you have any more questions, don’t hesitate to ask. (seriously, ask me whatever you want.)
cheers, ?
Actually, let’s just call me “Ghost”
I used a random name generator.
Cheers, Ghost (not the call of duty character)
gravenimage says
? wrote:
bruh i am not on my Chromebook 24/7. i just checked your post. I will be happy to answer, but you have posted like a whole novel. please combine all the questions into 1 post. i will answer them tomorrow evening since I have online school tomorrow. Actually, since i can’t answer questions on some threads, why don’t you just email me?
seacrestliam@gmail.com
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Here’s another apologist for Jihad trying to lure an Anti-Jihadist into revealing his identity and location. Luckily, FYI and most others here are too smart to fall for this.
Yet, more, as Ghost/ ?:
have you ever phoned an Islamic scholar. Also, please state which part of the bible you are talking about when mentioning it. I am not a christian, and have no idea what’s written in it. i will answer a few questions right now . For example, when you say ”
islam’s Doctrine of HATE{al walaa wal baraa}WHY?
{How did allah miss Lev19;18 chief law #2}”
I haven’t got the foggiest idea of what you mean.
– “The moon is split in 2″ The complete ayah is ” The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two].” This doesn’t mean that the moon will be split in 2 regularly. The HOUR means the day of judgement. or a certain hour during the day of judgement.
– Al-wala’ wa-l-bara’ (Arabic: الولاء والبراء) is a concept in Islam, literally “loyalty and disavowal”, which signifies loving and hating for the sake of Allah. Al-wala’ wa-l-bara’ is referred to as holding fast to all that is pleasing to God, and withdrawing from and opposing all that is displeasing to Allah, for the sake of Allah. So i have no idea how that is a doctrine of hate.
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Well, *of course* ? does not consider hating Infidels for the sake of “Allah” to be a bad thing. Or murdering in the same doctrine, clearly.
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– As for your genesis reference, we believe that man and woman are equal. “Men and women have equal rewards for their deeds.” Quran 3:195. Basically, Allah doesn’t care if a man or woman does something good or bad. if they did good, they get good deeds. if they do bad, they get bad deeds.
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Actually, Qur’an 3:195 does not claim that men and women are equal, Here’s how it reads:
And their Lord hath heard them (and He saith): Lo! I suffer not the work of any worker, male or female, to be lost. Ye proceed one from another. So those who fled and were driven forth from their homes and suffered damage for My cause, and fought and were slain, verily I shall remit their evil deeds from them and verily I shall bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow – A reward from Allah. And with Allah is the fairest of rewards.
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This just holds that female Jihadists will not be sent to hell.
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– And as for the 2 women equal 1 man question, this ayah or hadith, idk which, is talking about being a witness. for example, say jimmy killed johnny. and a man saw it. since men are built more emotionally stable than woman, (don’t try to deny this,) the man will count as 1 witness. But the woman is less emotionally stable, thus she will count as 1 witness. for example, That is why woman cry more, I don’t need to go more in depth.
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That Ghost/ ? here is claiming that he is more emotionally stable than civilized women is just ludicrous.
Then, he doesn’t mention that Muslim men can beat women, that they cannot lawfully inherit what Muslim men can, that they can be used as sex slaves, and that the “Prophet” said that most women are sent to hell for not sufficiently respecting their husbands.
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Well, all for now. I have to go eat. If you have any more questions, don’t hesitate to ask. (seriously, ask me whatever you want.)
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Yep–more and more tedious Taqiyya.
FYI says
@?
‘Fake name used LOL’ and your name is{Ghost..?} {IRONY:you get IRONY?No}
You cannot answer without LYING.
You think we don’t know about TAQQIYA?
You never heard of Al WALAA WAL BARAA?You are a wicked Liar!
Men and women are NOT equal in islamic law{koran 2:282}You Lie!
You are a ferocious liar but typical of your sick perverse cult.
You have not answered any questions given to you truthfully:you know you are lying to protect the evil that islam gives you.
Lie after lie after lie:nothing but lies comes from the serpent tongues of the muslim apologists!
And I am not your ‘bruh’:what a revolting specimen of a troll you are..You have made yourself in the image of your demonic ‘allah’ and his child-rapist ‘prophet’
gravenimage says
More from Ghost/ ?:
also, i wasn’t screaming about the greatness of Allah. I was only explaining why the claims you stated were false. Am I insulting you in a way that doesn’t make sense? No, I am not insulting you at all. If you want to insult me, either make sense, or don’t do it at all.
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Of course, no one said that Ghost, or ?, or whatever he is calling himself right now, was screaming “Allahu Akbar!” while trying to murder a police officer–he has not done this (as far as I know, any way). But his coreligionist here has done so, and Ghost/ ? *still* refuses to condemn this. *Very* telling.
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On another note, I have a question. What would Jesus think if he saw this post?
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I certainly don’t speak for Jesus. But refusing to condemn savagery and spouting apologia for it doesn’t seem to be the sort of thing he would be apt to approve of. But if Ghost/ ? here means the vicious “prophet Isa”, that could be a different matter…
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Oops, disregard my last post. i misread your post. Actually, disregard the first half of my post. I thought you said that I was screaming about the greatness of Allah.
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Well, I already pretty much disregard this Muslim apologist, so done and done.
Ghost/ ? says
dude, how much free time do you have? whatever. i will just start addressing your claims from the beginning.
Anyways, my bad on the sahih thing. i was writing in a hurry. you’re right. i meant sahih muslim, and sahih bukhari, not sahih, muslim and bukhari. sorry about that
Regarding your arrogance= adultery perception. that is not what I said. The part of the ayah that stated the “arrogance” part was talking about what to do if a woman persists in cheating. by arrogance, it meant if a woman didn’t accept that she was wrong and committed adultery yet again. thus, arrogance. At least thats what I think. Honestly not sure. if you want a 100% accurate meaning just watch a speech based on the ayah on youtube or something.
I don’t know why you called me ugly and i really don’t care. maybe its some australian slang. Now, if I were you, I would say something like this “What, did he just call me ugly. Oh no, OH NO! He has hacked into my laptop camera. HE HAS SEEN MY FACE! Now he will use a drone to drop a bomb on my house.” (based on your explanation of me sharing my email address.) And I thought it was stupid to share my email.
In the first verse of Surat An-Nisa (the Women)5: “O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single Person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you): for Allah ever watches over you”. This verse of the Quran indicates that there is no superiority for one sex over the other. On his authority from Ibn ‘Abbas both genders are created from the single soul, with the same human and spiritual nature. Ibn ‘Abbas stated that Allah (God) has created mankind out of one living entity, and out of it created its mate, and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Islam elevates the demeaned status of women and grants them rights equal to those of men. The equality of women in Islam is evident by the unprecedented human rights given to them under a monotheistic religion as defined in the Quran. The wording of aforementioned Quranic verse indicated that the primary Islamic text does not specify one specific sex over the other which is a proof of gender non-bias and equality.
Quranic text in Surat An-Nisa (Women) verse number 124 declares that men and women spiritually enjoy absolute equality before Allah. “And whoso doeth good works, whether of male or female, and he (or she) is a believer, such will enter paradise and they will not be wronged the dint in a date-stone” (1). In this Quranic verse reference to men and women is through attributes and deeds by which they will be judged. On his authority from Ibn ‘Abbas this Quranic verse is clear in stating that both men and women will have completely no bearing on their reward or punishment in the next life (in the Day of Judgment).
Since you love citations so much “Rape is *sacralized* in Islam. The “Prophet” regularly raped victims, and even chided his thug companions for *not* raping their captives” cite where you got this. is it in a hadith? a study? A Quranic Ayah?
Jonathan A.C. Brown gives the wider scholarly tendency when it comes to the verse: The vast majority of the ulama across the Sunni schools of law inherited the Prophet’s unease over domestic violence and placed further restrictions on the evident meaning of the ‘Wife Beating Verse’. A leading Meccan scholar from the second generation of Muslims, Ata’ bin Abi Rabah, counseled a husband not to beat his wife even if she ignored him but rather to express his anger in some other way. Darimi, a teacher of both Tirmidhi and Muslim bin Hajjaj as well as a leading early scholar in Iran, collected all the Hadiths showing Muhammad’s disapproval of beating in a chapter entitled ‘The Prohibition on Striking Women’. A thirteenth-century scholar from Granada, Ibn Faras, notes that one camp of ulama had staked out a stance forbidding striking a wife altogether, declaring it contrary to the Prophet’s example and denying the authenticity of any Hadiths that seemed to permit beating. Even Ibn Hajar, the pillar of late medieval Sunni Hadith scholarship, concludes that, contrary to what seems to be an explicit command in the Quran, the Hadiths of the Prophet leave no doubt that striking one’s wife to discipline her actually falls under the Shariah ruling of ‘strongly disliked’ or ‘disliked verging on prohibited.
In a hadith collected by Abu Dawud, Muhammad told men not to hit their wives on the face.
I can go on and on about this, but I don’t have that much time
Jesus is indeed called Jesus many times in the Bible. Then, there is no indication that there ever was a historical “prophet Isa”. Certainly, the murderous “prophet Isa” has *nothing* in common with the loving Jesus of the Gospels.
Jesus was Jewish–not Arab. Not even the texts of Islam claim he was Arab. And the idea that Christians have said that Jesus is Caucasian is absurd. Citations?
Yes, Jesus is called Jesus in the bible. whatever. WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND YOUNUS=JONAS YAHYA=JOHN IBRAHEEM=ABRAHAM NUH=NOAH MUSA=MOSES ISA=JESUS
THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. ISA IS JUST HIS NAME IN ARABIC!!! Also, don’t call him murderous. you can even search it up.
You call the Quran fabricated, and you claim that it was actually written by Muhammad. remind me how many times the egoistic kings changed the bible?
Also, he was born in Palestine. thus he was Arab. Yes, he spoke Aramaic, but he was born in Palestine. thus he was middle-eastern whatever. And I said that he isn’t Caucasian because for some reason, Christians reresent God and Jesus as Caucasians. They normally draw him with white skin, blue/green eyes, and golden hair. and they show God as an elderly Caucasian man. Jesus was a middle eastern person, he didn’t have white skin, and probably didn’t have blue/green eyes and golden or light brown hair.
Take the show The Bible, Jesus is shown as a Caucasian, and Satan is shown as Barack Obama.
more about women
You should cherish your woman from the perfume of her hair to the tips of her toes.”
“The best of you is the one who is best to his wife.”
“The whole world is to be enjoyed, but the best thing in the world is a good woman.”
Another well-known ḥadīth explicitly states that loving conduct towards one’s wife is synonymous with advanced religious understanding:
“The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife
I’m not going to cite these statements, I want gravenimage to do that.
“i am trying to post a message i did but its not working. they probably blocked me” when i said this there was some kind of glitch on my laptop. it didn’t show the reply option for me anymore. and whenever i posted a comment, it would disappear.
I could go on and on about hadith and ayahs from the quran about womens rights.
Ghost/ ? says
Unfortunately, I assumed someone like you would understand that a person who was arguing against jihad, and explaining why Islam isn’t a hostile religion WAS 110% AGAINST THE ATTACK AGAINST THE POLICEMAN!
Seriously, I have written a whole damn essay against jihad, and you think I’ma jihadist. seriously. WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO PROVE THAT I AM NOT A TERRORIST. also stop saying taqiyya. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE DAMN MEANING OF TAQIYYA!! i explained the meaning in an above post. also, you don’t know the meaning of jihad either, which’s meaning i also explained in an above post
and please stop asking other questions, let me answer the questions that you’ve shared, and then ask some more. seriously.you asked tooooo much
FYI says
@GI
Thank you GI:you always expertly demolish the trolls here at JW.
Note the deflection trick ‘what would Jesus think’;well I wouldn’t know that as I am not Jesus nor currently in any Church but perhaps looking at {?’s} obtuse posts Jesus might wonder how anyone could be so blind and so incredibly obtuse.
islamic apologists tricks.
1]The fiddle the Arabic trick
Often used to deceive non Arabic speaking muslims.The ‘oh you don’t know Arabic’ trick.
The koran is garbage in English as it is in Classical Arabic.
2]TAQQIYA{dissembling}
3]”What about this,what about that”{Change the Topic}
4]The Bible
{islamic ‘scholars’ always do this:but it is the koran that is obviously corrupt not the Bible}
{I happened to be watching Hatun Tash on YT {DCCI ministries} and the muslims STOLE her book;of course muslims have a lot to hide…they think if the steal it they can hide its evil?}
We can disregard {?’s} posts in future.
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gravenimage says
More from Ghost/ ?:
dude, how much free time do you have? whatever. i will just start addressing your claims from the beginning.
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In other words, Ghost/ ? is upset that any of the Infidels here are not just swallowing his claptrap. Poor guy…
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Anyways, my bad on the sahih thing. i was writing in a hurry. you’re right. i meant sahih muslim, and sahih bukhari, not sahih, muslim and bukhari. sorry about that
Regarding your arrogance= adultery perception. that is not what I said. The part of the ayah that stated the “arrogance” part was talking about what to do if a woman persists in cheating. by arrogance, it meant if a woman didn’t accept that she was wrong and committed adultery yet again. thus, arrogance. At least thats what I think. Honestly not sure. if you want a 100% accurate meaning just watch a speech based on the ayah on youtube or something.
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Qur’an 4:34 makes it clear that Muslim thugs can beat their wives if they so much as fear disobedience from them. There are indeed Islamic texts elsewhere that laud Muslims stoning women to death, but that is not the same as here.
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I don’t know why you called me ugly and i really don’t care. maybe its some australian slang. Now, if I were you, I would say something like this “What, did he just call me ugly. Oh no, OH NO! He has hacked into my laptop camera. HE HAS SEEN MY FACE! Now he will use a drone to drop a bomb on my house.” (based on your explanation of me sharing my email address.) And I thought it was stupid to share my email.
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The idea that objecting to Muslims beating women and stoning them to death is purely an Australian thing is grotesque. I am not Australian–although I have Australian friends and colleagues. Really, the Taqiyya-spewing Ghost/ ? is *morally* ugly in any case. I have no idea what he looks like, and could not care less.
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In the first verse of Surat An-Nisa (the Women)5: “O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single Person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you): for Allah ever watches over you”. This verse of the Quran indicates that there is no superiority for one sex over the other. On his authority from Ibn ‘Abbas both genders are created from the single soul, with the same human and spiritual nature. Ibn ‘Abbas stated that Allah (God) has created mankind out of one living entity, and out of it created its mate, and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Islam elevates the demeaned status of women and grants them rights equal to those of men. The equality of women in Islam is evident by the unprecedented human rights given to them under a monotheistic religion as defined in the Quran. The wording of aforementioned Quranic verse indicated that the primary Islamic text does not specify one specific sex over the other which is a proof of gender non-bias and equality.
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This is not what the first verse of this Sura says at all:
Here’s Sura 4:1:
“O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah, through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer.”
https://quran.com/4/1
He’s just made up the rest of this claptrap. Does he think that no one here has read the Qur’an?
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gravenimage says
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In the first verse of Surat An-Nisa (the Women)5: “O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single Person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you): for Allah ever watches over you”. This verse of the Quran indicates that there is no superiority for one sex over the other. On his authority from Ibn ‘Abbas both genders are created from the single soul, with the same human and spiritual nature. Ibn ‘Abbas stated that Allah (God) has created mankind out of one living entity, and out of it created its mate, and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Islam elevates the demeaned status of women and grants them rights equal to those of men. The equality of women in Islam is evident by the unprecedented human rights given to them under a monotheistic religion as defined in the Quran. The wording of aforementioned Quranic verse indicated that the primary Islamic text does not specify one specific sex over the other which is a proof of gender non-bias and equality.
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This is not what the first verse of this Sura says at all:
Here’s Sura 4:1:
“O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah, through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer.”
https://quran.com/4/1
He’s just made up the rest of this claptrap. Does he think that no one here has read the Qur’an?
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Quranic text in Surat An-Nisa (Women) verse number 124 declares that men and women spiritually enjoy absolute equality before Allah. “And whoso doeth good works, whether of male or female, and he (or she) is a believer, such will enter paradise and they will not be wronged the dint in a date-stone” (1). In this Quranic verse reference to men and women is through attributes and deeds by which they will be judged. On his authority from Ibn ‘Abbas this Quranic verse is clear in stating that both men and women will have completely no bearing on their reward or punishment in the next life (in the Day of Judgment).
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“Doing good deeds” here mostly means waging violent Jihad. Not sending female Jihadists to hell hardly means that male Muslims are not allowed to beat and rape women. This is what is known as deflection.
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Since you love citations so much “Rape is *sacralized* in Islam. The “Prophet” regularly raped victims, and even chided his thug companions for *not* raping their captives” cite where you got this. is it in a hadith? a study? A Quranic Ayah?
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Here you go:
The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
And this:
“O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
And this:
“We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter” (Sahih Muslim 3371)
Note Ghost/ ? here sneering at Infidels daring to know any of this.
Then, there are Qur’anic references to “what the right hand possesses”–in other words, sex slaves.
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gravenimage says
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Jonathan A.C. Brown gives the wider scholarly tendency when it comes to the verse: The vast majority of the ulama across the Sunni schools of law inherited the Prophet’s unease over domestic violence and placed further restrictions on the evident meaning of the ‘Wife Beating Verse’. A leading Meccan scholar from the second generation of Muslims, Ata’ bin Abi Rabah, counseled a husband not to beat his wife even if she ignored him but rather to express his anger in some other way. Darimi, a teacher of both Tirmidhi and Muslim bin Hajjaj as well as a leading early scholar in Iran, collected all the Hadiths showing Muhammad’s disapproval of beating in a chapter entitled ‘The Prohibition on Striking Women’. A thirteenth-century scholar from Granada, Ibn Faras, notes that one camp of ulama had staked out a stance forbidding striking a wife altogether, declaring it contrary to the Prophet’s example and denying the authenticity of any Hadiths that seemed to permit beating. Even Ibn Hajar, the pillar of late medieval Sunni Hadith scholarship, concludes that, contrary to what seems to be an explicit command in the Quran, the Hadiths of the Prophet leave no doubt that striking one’s wife to discipline her actually falls under the Shariah ruling of ‘strongly disliked’ or ‘disliked verging on prohibited.
In a hadith collected by Abu Dawud, Muhammad told men not to hit their wives on the face.
I can go on and on about this, but I don’t have that much time
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This is just grimly hilarious. Far from being uneasy about domestic violence, Muhammed himself beat his child bride. And Muhammed is the perfect man–if he beat women, then it is Halal.
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Jesus is indeed called Jesus many times in the Bible. Then, there is no indication that there ever was a historical “prophet Isa”. Certainly, the murderous “prophet Isa” has *nothing* in common with the loving Jesus of the Gospels.
Jesus was Jewish–not Arab. Not even the texts of Islam claim he was Arab. And the idea that Christians have said that Jesus is Caucasian is absurd. Citations?
Yes, Jesus is called Jesus in the bible. whatever. WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND YOUNUS=JONAS YAHYA=JOHN IBRAHEEM=ABRAHAM NUH=NOAH MUSA=MOSES ISA=JESUS
THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. ISA IS JUST HIS NAME IN ARABIC!!! Also, don’t call him murderous. you can even search it up.
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The claim that this is the same figure with a different name is of course utterly false. The loving Jesus of the Bible does not slaughter Christians as “prophet Isa” is supposed to. Just idiocy.
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You call the Quran fabricated, and you claim that it was actually written by Muhammad. remind me how many times the egoistic kings changed the bible?
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The Bible is not held to have been created in paradise as unchanged as the Qur’an is. And no–kings are generally secular, not religious figures. What king supposedly changed the Bible?
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Also, he was born in Palestine. thus he was Arab. Yes, he spoke Aramaic, but he was born in Palestine. thus he was middle-eastern whatever. And I said that he isn’t Caucasian because for some reason, Christians reresent God and Jesus as Caucasians. They normally draw him with white skin, blue/green eyes, and golden hair. and they show God as an elderly Caucasian man. Jesus was a middle eastern person, he didn’t have white skin, and probably didn’t have blue/green eyes and golden or light brown hair.
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Arabs are not native to the Levant. Jesus was Jewish.
Then, depictions of Jesus vary–in parts of Europe, he was depicted as Caucasian, and in other places, as the ethnicity of the local people.
For instance, here is a depiction of Jesus from Ethiopia:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3c/71/25/3c71251d66464561cf58f649126c0014.jpg
He is clearly Black, from the Sahel.
Note that save affirming that he is Jewish, the Bible never mentions what Jesus looks like at all. And no–no Christian authority has ever said that Jesus was Caucasian. Citations, pleas.
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Take the show The Bible, Jesus is shown as a Caucasian, and Satan is shown as Barack Obama.
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I have not seen this series. This was made by the History channel–which is not, actually, a religious authority. And I doubt *very much* that Barack Obama is in this series.
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more about women
You should cherish your woman from the perfume of her hair to the tips of her toes.”
“The best of you is the one who is best to his wife.”
“The whole world is to be enjoyed, but the best thing in the world is a good woman.”
Another well-known ḥadīth explicitly states that loving conduct towards one’s wife is synonymous with advanced religious understanding:
“The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife
I’m not going to cite these statements, I want gravenimage to do that.
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Well, I checked out the first one, and got this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/cm0sfu/is_this_hadith_authentic/
In other words, there is no authentic Islamic source for this. The same is likely the case with this rest of this tripe.
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“i am trying to post a message i did but its not working. they probably blocked me” when i said this there was some kind of glitch on my laptop. it didn’t show the reply option for me anymore. and whenever i posted a comment, it would disappear.
I could go on and on about hadith and ayahs from the quran about womens rights.
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Really? Then why doesn’t Ghost/ ? here tell us all about the glories of wife beating?
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Unfortunately, I assumed someone like you would understand that a person who was arguing against jihad, and explaining why Islam isn’t a hostile religion WAS 110% AGAINST THE ATTACK AGAINST THE POLICEMAN!
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Nope–Ghost/ ? here had to be prompted numerous times to say anything critical about this Jihad terror attack. Then, it seems more annoyed than heartfelt. After all, this must be pretty painful for him…
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Seriously, I have written a whole damn essay against jihad, and you think I’ma jihadist. seriously. WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO PROVE THAT I AM NOT A TERRORIST. also stop saying taqiyya. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE DAMN MEANING OF TAQIYYA!! i explained the meaning in an above post. also, you don’t know the meaning of jihad either, which’s meaning i also explained in an above post
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Ghost/ ? is not necessarily a Jihad terrorist himself. He is more apt from what I have seen here to go in for “Jihad of the Pen”–that is, falsely whitewashing the horrors of Jihad for what he hopes are the credulous Infidels.
He is really bad at it. though.
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and please stop asking other questions, let me answer the questions that you’ve shared, and then ask some more. seriously.you asked tooooo much
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Ghost/ ? said I could ask him anything. He obviously hoped that he could just sling some Taqiyya around here and everyone would just thank him for it.
This is why Muslims are no good at defending their foul creed, and so often turn to violence to impose it. Ugly, ugly stuff.
gravenimage says
Agreed, FYI.
gravenimage says
Has Ghost/ ? now decamped? Looks like it…
Pray Hard says
The police have become nothing but enforcers of the leftist agenda.
Thinker1 says
A nation founded as a holding place for criminals should rightly be expected to coddle the same.
gravenimage says
Actually, Australia has been overall tougher on Jihad terrorists than most of the West.
somehistory says
Guessing they didn’t hear Joy Ried talking about that kind of thing when she compared moslims and being “radicalized” l to Mr. Trump’s supporters. Perhaps she sould mention the moslims hearing from their clerics about terror and being “radicalized.”
tim gallagher says
I wrote about this crime a few days back on Jihad Watch because, as a person living in Australia, the reporting of this crime was so weird. For a couple of days after the attack on the police officers, there was no mention of the motive. I thought that it did sound like a Muslim attack because such attacks so often happen throughout the world. Then, I heard on the radio news, at around 6am, last Thursday, that the attacker was yelling out “Allahu Akbar” and saying he wanted to kill some police for Allah. Then, as I was driving to play golf, an hour and a half later, the same radio station news bulletin said that there was no motive yet known for the attack. I smelled a rat. I thought that, maybe, someone in the police had said, hey, don’t mention the Muslim angle. Then hours later, as I was driving home I heard a radio presenter interviewing a reporter who had been at the court case (the attacker was too violent to be brought to court) and I think the radio presenter was getting exasperated with the confused reports, so he asked, look, did this attacker yell “Allahu Akbar” when attacking the police? The reporter said that the cop cam didn’t show the attacker yelling “Allahu Akbar” when attacking, but later on, during the police interview with him, he was mumbling religious type crap. I thought these changes in the way this crime was being reported was pretty pathetic and confusing. It was very strange to hear the changes in the news reports. This was all on a very high rating radio station, 2GB, in Sydney. It seemed that possibly some higher up police (or a politician) may have told the station to alter the earlier news report and say that there was no motive known for the attack.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that background, Tim.
tim gallagher says
I thought it was worth mentioning the confused reporting relating to this crime, gravenimage, because it really was quite strange. As is often pointed out here at Jihad Watch by various
commenters, there often does seem to be an attempt to avoid telling the truth about the Islamic motivation behind some crimes. In this case, maybe there were just varied reports from the police involved or something along those lines and the radio news service received varied versions of what had happened, and thus had to change their reports as the true details became clearer.
nicholas william tesdorf says
“Detectives are also investigating whether Elrezz had any mental health conditions which may have led to the alleged attack….” Indeed so, Elrezz was a Muslim and therefore was suffering from severe mental aberrations which compelled him to serve Allah by continuing Jihad against the Kuffar..
Angi Bennett says
PLEASE would some billionaire form a Media body called CUT THE CRAP – ideally it should be ultra conservative, bristling with
Lawyers, Judges and wealthy Donors and a generous sprinkling of incorruptible, right-wing Politicians – this will ensure that Truth, Justice and Liberty are adequately defended in this beautiful country – Australia!
gary fouse says
They should also investigate whether Australia has mental health conditions that they tolerate this crap.
gravenimage says
Australia: Muslim screaming ‘Allahu akbar’ tries to murder cop, cops say no evidence he’s ‘radicalized’ or religious
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This is what denial looks like.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage says,
“This is what denial looks like.”
And continued denial of the truth – when broadsided with facts – is, in fact, mental illness.
In other words, in this fight against jihad, the wrong people are being labeled mentally ill…
gravenimage says
+1
Rob R (Brit stuck in Britainistan) says
Shit i meant to make these 3 comments on the Austria story. my laptop keyboard is terrible, can a moderator move them or remove them…
Rob R (Brit stuck in Britainistan) says
Also breaking: Elvis’s family deny his singing or performances have anything to do with them being rich. “We just found this money in our account, we don’t know where it came from or what it motivation is!”
Rob R (Brit stuck in Britainistan) says
Breaking news: Pope denies that his “religion” has anything to do with him living in a huge palace. or being famous!
? says
definitely doesnt have anything to do with flashing the devil sign in pictures
gravenimage says
What is Muslim apologist ? babbling about here?
Ghost/ ? says
and don’t call me an apologist. If I started saying something outrageous about Christianity, and everyone started saying and believing it, then I’m sure you’d be an apologist too.
Cheers, Ghost/?
gravenimage says
Of course Ghost/ ? is a Muslim apologist. And he has not been able to show that anything said about Islam here is incorrect.
Ecosse1314 says
Ok genuine question. How come there is no mention of Mecca till 100 years after the death of Mo.
Nothing from the Romans Greeks Persians Jews zilch nada.
Ghost/ ? says
wdym, the prophet did send letters to leaders around the world. he did send a letter to greek or rome, i’m not sure which. whichever had “caesars.” The ceasar asked prophet Muhammad’s cousin, who was on a business trip, in court, and finally came to the conclusion that the prophet wasn’t a fake. You can even search it up. He then asked the other guys in the court, or the council, whatever whether or not they wanted to follow the prophet, but they decided not to. Any other questions, feel free to ask. (seriously, ask me anything.)
Cheers, Ghost/?
gravenimage says
Where did the Byzantine Emperor chat with Muhammad’s cousin and then claim he was a prophet? I haven’t even seen other Muslims make this absurd claim. Citations?
Muslims *have* claimed that Muhammed sent a threatening letter to the Emperor Heraclius, telling him he and his people would only be safe if they submitted to Islam. This may or may not have happened; but it is very different in any case from his recognizing the vicious Muhammad as a prophet.
Ecosse1314 says
As GI previously said… Citations please. BTW any citations have to be contemperaneous not from hadiths written 200 years after mo had his aorta cut. Fact is “the mother of all cities” was never mentioned in any records till the 8th century. In fact the so-called clan of Mo is never mentioned either
David M says
If they are saying he is just a run of the mill Muslim that is worse because they are saying any Muslim can go rogue at any time.
toomanyhobbies says
now that is a special kind of stupid!