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Bob Dylan and the Rough Men

Sep 8, 2020 5:00 pm By Robert Spencer 70 Comments

My latest in PJ Media:

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” The statement has been attributed most frequently to Winston Churchill, who may never actually have said it; but in these days of calls to “Defund the Police” and antifa thugs running wild in cities where there are no rough men, it is more important that it is true than it is who said it. Recently, an affirmation of the wisdom of this saying came from what many might consider an unlikely corner: Bob Dylan.

Dylan, 79, is the hero of the Sixties counterculture, which makes him revered among today’s mainstream Left. Obama gave him the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and not too long after that he won the Nobel Prize for Literature, for which he never would have been considered at all if he weren’t an idol of Leftists worldwide. But on his new album, Rough and Rowdy Ways, Dylan sings a curious stanza that should have his Leftist followers, if they’re listening to the words, wondering if the grand old man is losing his grip. Conservatives, by contrast, should be cheering.

The lines come in a song entitled Mother of Muses, which begins by sending out a series of pleas to the spirits of inspiration. The speaker calls on the “mother of muses” to “sing of the mountains and the deep dark sea,” and to “sing of the lakes and the nymphs in the forest,” that sort of thing.

So far, that’s fairly conventional: the man wants to write a song, and he needs some help to do it. Poets going back to Homer and before that have asked the muses to visit them with something worthwhile to say, or sing, or write. But then Dylan shifts the tone slightly, asking this “mother of muses” to “sing of the Heroes who stood alone / Whose names are engraved on tablets of stone / Who struggled with pain so the world could go free.”

Who might those heroes be? Bob Dylan is glad you asked. The song continues:

Sing of Sherman, Montgomery and Scott
Sing of Zhukov and Patton and the battles they fought
Who cleared the path for Presley to sing
Who carved out the path for Martin Luther King
Who did what they did and then went on their way
Man, I could tell their stories all day

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  1. somehistory says

    Sep 8, 2020 at 5:14 pm

    Never heard what others did from him..only song of his I like is Positively 34th Street.
    But with this new song, seems he may have something else worth hearing.

    Reply
    • James Lincoln says

      Sep 8, 2020 at 7:26 pm

      somehistory, I too believe that that was Dylan’s best song…

      Reply
      • mortimer says

        Sep 8, 2020 at 9:28 pm

        But now, Dylan is praising career soldiers who fought tyranny with bullets and bayonets.

        Dylan has become more conservative.

        Reply
        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 8:28 am

          Dylan has become more conservative.

          I’ve followed him closely since his first album, and disagree. Recently, I watched a documentary on Dylan, which included outtakes from many of his interviews at the time. The interviewers would invariably try to bait him into antiwar or socialist statements, and each time he’d respond adroitly, declining to jump aboard. He’d talk around the imputations in the question, replacing them with universal truisms.

          He knew then, and he knows now.

      • GOLDMANN says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 4:58 am

        Mr Dylan is a Satanist 🤷 he admits it on a vidio .

        Reply
        • Mauricio says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 9:10 am

          That is hard to believe. What video are you talking about? I understand he converted to christianity. Link?

        • curious george says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 11:19 am

          GOLDMANN says

          Mr Dylan is a Satanist he admits it on a vidio .

          Mauricio says

          That is hard to believe. What video are you talking about? I understand he converted to christianity. Link?
          ………………………………..
          I stated that I know little to nothing about Bob Dylan, after reading these comments I did a quick search and found this article.

          Bob Dylan: Is He or Isn’t He?

          https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/reviews/bob-dylan-a-spiritual-life/

          Generally, we believe what we want to believe.

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 3:11 pm

          This from GOLDMANN is ridiculous. It seems to be based on a single obscure song of Dylan’s called New Pony, which includes these lyrics:

          Once I had a pony, her name was Lucifer
          I had a pony, her name was Lucifer
          She broke her leg and she needed shooting
          I swear it hurt me more than it could ever have hurted her…

          Pretty thin reed to consider him a Satanist–good grief.

      • Mauricio says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 9:25 am

        “A hard rains gonna fall”. The best song lyrics ever written. The man is a true poet and artist, although his voice is not that beautiful.

        Reply
        • eddie says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 4:47 pm

          Can’t agree:

          Dylan’s best song lyrics are found on his album Blood on the Tracks (1975)

          Tangled up in Blue is the finest love poetry of the 20th century.

      • E T says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 9:27 am

        I listened to the words very closely and I am not to sure if hell has no fury like a woman scorned is true. Some woman in his past might have caused some history. Lol

        Reply
      • somehistory says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 1:51 pm

        JL,
        His lack of singing ability didn’t really matter with that one…in fact, I think it added to the enjoyment for me. So many great lines in it.

        Reply
        • curious george says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 3:15 pm

          somehistory says

          JL,
          His lack of singing ability didn’t really matter with that one…in fact, I think it added to the enjoyment for me. So many great lines in it.
          …………………………………………………….

          +1

          Maybe, his voice is best suited for his lyrics and style of music?

    • A.J. says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 6:44 am

      It’s 4th Street not 34th. Dylan was singing about the Village, not Macy’s.

      Reply
      • somehistory says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 4:50 pm

        Boo hoo. I made an error. so sorry i made a mistake. it’s my only one today. At least, the only one pointed out to me. 🙂
        So, don’t “say you are my friend “if “you don’t really mean it.: Because failing eyesight and stressed out memory banks….might make me commit more terrible errors in the future.

        I “got a lot of nerve,” haven’t I?
        Seriously, thanks for the correction to the name. It’s one of those wispy things I sometimes forget
        I already knew it wasn’t about Macy’s Please don’t “take me for such a fool.” I wrote nothing that shows otherwise. That Christmas movie about Macy’s and santa is fun though, huh?

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 4:59 pm

          Somethistory, I don’t really think that A.J. was trying to be hostile–and I doubt he knows about your eye problems.

        • somehistory says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 6:16 pm

          I didn’t take it as “Hostile,” but eh macy’s part was certainly unnecessary. As for making errors, and typos, everyone on this site does it, eye problems or not.
          When I notice them, I rarely point them out… I try to limit it to only when it makes a difference to the Truth about islam or Christianity or the Bible.

          Everyone knew… even he… which song I meant. And, I’m not the only one to say 34 instead of 4 for that song.

          The fact that I kept putting parts of the song in my reply clearly shows my intent in answering his comment to me. Or, it should. 🙂

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 10, 2020 at 10:00 pm

          OK, Somehistory.

    • curious george says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 10:56 am

      somehistory & James Lincoln,

      Thank you for your comments.

      I know little to nothing about Bob Dylan, other than I like his song, “Gotta Serve Somebody”, that seems to sum up the human condition.

      Reply
    • curious george says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 11:08 am

      Alarmed Pig Farmer,

      As Paul Harvey was famous for saying, “and now the rest of the story,” thank you your insight.

      Reply
      • somehistory says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 1:54 pm

        +10

        Reply
  2. mgoldberg says

    Sep 8, 2020 at 5:28 pm

    I’m always amazed at how much he was able to create and publish and yet…. He wrote an amazing song, with lyrics that were bluntly accurate and true… and yet I hadn’t heard him open up and put down the destroyers here in America who are just as bad. Here are the amazing lyrics from Neighbborhood bully:

    “Neighborhood Bully”

    Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man
    His enemies say he’s on their land
    They got him outnumbered about a million to one
    He got no place to escape to, no place to run
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully he just lives to survive
    He’s criticized and condemned for being alive
    He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin
    He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
    He’s wandered the earth an exiled man
    Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
    He’s always on trial for just being born
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
    Old women condemned him, said he could apologize
    Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad
    The bombs were meant for him. He was supposed to feel bad
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Well, the chances are against it, and the odds are slim
    That he’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him
    ‘Cause there’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
    And a licence to kill him is given out to every maniac
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he got no allies to really speak of
    What he gets he must pay for, he don’t get it out of love
    He buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied
    But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he’s surrounded by pacifists who all want peace
    They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease
    Now, they wouldn’t hurt a fly. To hurt one they would weep
    They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    Every empire that’s enslaved him is gone
    Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon
    He’s made a garden of paradise in the desert sand
    In bed with nobody, under no one’s command
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Now his holiest books have been trampled upon
    No contract that he signed was worth that what it was written on
    He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth
    Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    What’s anybody indebted to him for ?
    Nothing, they say. He just likes to cause war
    Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed
    They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    What has he done to wear so many scars ?
    Does he change the course of rivers ? Does he pollute the moon and stars ?
    Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill
    Running out the clock, time standing still
    Neighborhood bully.

    Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Sep 8, 2020 at 7:28 pm

      Thanks for citing this song, mgoldberg. I believe that Robert Spencer also mentioned this at one point.

      Reply
    • Myron J. Poltroonian says

      Sep 8, 2020 at 7:33 pm

      Robert Zimmerman is writing about Israel. ‘Bout time.

      Reply
      • mgoldberg says

        Sep 8, 2020 at 8:54 pm

        That was a song from about 1981 or so, If I remember….

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 3:13 pm

          Very close, mgoldberg–1983.

      • eddie says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 pm

        A magnificent song on the disappointing album Infidels, released in 1983. By that time, Springsteen had overtaken Dylan and was the most important voice in popular music.

        In my opinion, Springsteen’s Nebraska album (1982) is superior to all of Dylan’s early folk and protest albums.

        Reply
        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 5:18 pm

          Springsteen may have some better selling albums than Dylan but, in my opinion, the man who outdoes them both in terms of poetic lyrics is Leonard Cohen. If Dylan deserved a Nobel Prize, Cohen should have gotten one also. Great lyrics on all of his compositions. He’s really underappreciated. Go to YouTube and look up a few of his songs and see if you don’t think so.

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 5:29 pm

          Yes–Leonard Cohen is absolutely brilliant.

  3. gravenimage says

    Sep 8, 2020 at 7:24 pm

    Bob Dylan and the Rough Men
    ……………..

    Excellent stuff–and most of this will be ignored by leftists. It is try–if these rough men had not defeated Fascism, we never could have moved forward.

    Reply
    • Myron J. Poltroonian says

      Sep 8, 2020 at 7:51 pm

      Prophetically speaking: “The fascists of the future will claim to be anti-fascists.” -Winston Churchill.

      Reply
      • mortimer says

        Sep 8, 2020 at 9:29 pm

        Thanks for that tremendous quote for WC.

        Reply
      • curious george says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 2:53 pm

        Myron J. Poltroonian

        +1

        And to think this was once written about Churchill. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

        “The man now elected to stand as the head of this empire, is a verbal bully, a chauvinist, a misanthrope, aggressive and looking for conflict. He is a rude man who’s face is red from alcohol who acts like a bulldog, and who’s voters voted for him for reasons of paranoia, and nationalistic fueled feelings – against an imaginary enemy.”
        – Haaretz – May 10, 1940. Referring to Winston Churchill

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 3:16 pm

          Thanks for that quote, curious george–very apt for today and Churchill’s American cousins.

        • curious george says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 5:16 pm

          gravenimage,

          You’re welcome. It does seem to fit our times.

    • GOLDMANN says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 5:02 am

      The man’s a Satanist he admits it . 😬

      Reply
      • Mauricio says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 9:01 am

        That is hard to admit. Which video?

        Reply
      • Robert Spencer says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 11:52 am

        What a lot of hooey.

        Reply
        • Mauricio says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 12:51 pm

          Mr. Spencer! My sincere greetings.
          Yes, lot of hooey indeed.

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 3:17 pm

          Thank you, Mr. Spencer.

  4. John Besharian says

    Sep 8, 2020 at 7:47 pm

    Robert Zimmerman and I share history. we were both born on exactly the very same day, month and year. We both were “The Skinny Kid with the Big Nose as kids (although I prefer to remember myself as “The Slender Youth with the Proud Proboscis”) and picked on. We both can’t sing or play the harmonica. (Although I give him some credit (a.k.a. “Faint Scots Praise) when I say, “I have a voice that makes Bob Dylan sound like an opera singer”.) We both knew my wife, folk and blues singer, Lisa Kindred, although he met her in the Village, in New York City, before I met her at Sid’s Blue Beet in Newport Beach in Calipornia in the mid/late ’60’s. The first time I heard his voice as a budding guitarist in the early ’60’s, I thought he was a joke since I was listening to and playing with some of the best folk singers around in the Southern Calipornia music scene at the time. As a songwriter, he’s brilliant. As a vocalist to this day? Still; not so hot.

    Reply
  5. Rod says

    Sep 8, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    “A 13-year-old boy with autism who was unarmed, was shot several times by police officers who responded to his home in Salt Lake City after his mother called for help.
    Linden was recovering in hospital with injuries to his shoulder, both ankles, his intestines and his bladder.”

    Rough men out of control in a sick society which seems to have lost its bearings. Not a topic Mr Spencer will invite you to discuss, today or any other day.

    Several of my older relatives fought to defeat fascism. One didn’t return.
    They were not “rough men”.
    You can keep your rough men to yourselves. You’re welcome.

    Reply
    • mgoldberg says

      Sep 8, 2020 at 9:40 pm

      you are taking one example out of all the others that police never get credit for…. all the help they do too autistic people and so many others. That too is accomplished by ‘rough men’. We indeed will be happy to remember and think of those men at their best…. which is much much more often that the failures.

      Reply
      • mgoldberg says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 8:02 am

        two days ago, in my state, a policemen died jumping into a river to try to save the life of a female robber who jumped in the river to escape capture. The policement died but the robber managed to get to the other side and lived.

        Reply
    • E T says

      Sep 8, 2020 at 10:19 pm

      How many police have been killed lately, putting their lives in danger to save others? The loons are exceptionally noisy out on the lake tonight and then along come Rod. Do yourself a favour, save yourself from all the anguish, go to another site and vent.

      Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Sep 8, 2020 at 10:25 pm

      “Rod” here regularly whitewashes horrors like slavery in Islam on this thread:

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/09/why-racial-tensions-are-so-high-in-the-least-racist-society-on-earth

      He may have relatives who fought Fascism, but he is not of the same material.

      Reply
    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 2:53 am

      Where do you get your news, Rob? Do you see the videos being posted on YouTube about the BLM and Antifa? Take a look at the one I have linked below. The woman BLM “protestor” drinking the elderly couple’s beer looks plenty rough to me. Her shirt says “Nazi Lives Don’t Matter.” But just who are the ones acting like Nazis? Do you condone this kind of behavior, Rob? Do you really think Trump is worse than these people? If Trump were really a fascist dictator there is no way this type of stuff would be happening in the streets of America. It needs to stop but it keeps getting worse because people like you support it. For the life of me I can’t understand why.

      Reply
      • CogitoErgoSum says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 3:20 am

        Ha! Well imagine that, Rod. YouTube just took down the video because it made Black Lives Matter look bad. They don’t want you to know the truth. What a surprise.

        Reply
        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 3:31 am

          Here’s another copy of the video that YouTube hasn’t gotten around to taking down just yet:

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 3:18 pm

          Thanks for those links, CogitoErgoSum.

          How brave is it having a mob rob an elderly couple? Just disgusting.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 3:06 am

      Here is what is was like in Rochester, New York a few days ago:

      Reply
      • FYI says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 5:49 am

        Have you noticed how many antifa/blm activists are..WHITE?

        You might say they have what Lefties call ‘WHITE PRIVILEGE’:they think they are allowed to be thugs.

        They are privileged spoiled lefties.Or..

        WILLYS

        White Ignorant Lefty Liberal Yobs

        Reply
        • talleyrand says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 7:39 am

          +!+100

        • Giacomo Latta says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 10:00 am

          You just described ”Rod” to a tee.

        • curious george says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 6:52 pm

          FYI says

          Have you noticed how many antifa/blm activists are..WHITE?
          …………………………………………….
          +1

          And, they are supporting an old white career politician for President? Am I missing something?

          Against stupidity even the Gods themselves contend in vain.
          – Friedrich Schiller (1759-1805)

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 3:36 pm

        What thugs.

        Reply
    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 3:25 am

      Have you heard of Cannon Hinnant, Rod? Do you think his life mattered? Most of the news media don’t think so but at least Fox News did. I’m surprised this video is still up on YouTube:

      Reply
      • gravenimage says

        Sep 10, 2020 at 10:08 pm

        Horrifying.

        Reply
    • FYI says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 6:07 am

      @Rod

      +1

      {…nah,I’m just kidding..}

      But your older relatives who you tell us fought to defeat fascism?

      They get a Gold Star each.

      Meanwhile,since the ‘rough men’ of blm and antifa are “out of control” we need good
      police officers to enforce Law and Order.

      Defunding the police as Far Lefties want is ridiculous:antifa/blm activists have had to be rescued by the police on several occasions,one involving antifa kicking a bike at a biker rally{who does that?} in Sturgis this year and the cops had to escort them to safety.

      Reply
    • Giacomo Latta says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 9:57 am

      Antifaman,
      So, keeping score are we? No, you would never do that. You much prefer committing the ”sin” you lay at the feet of Robert Spencer: searching out obscure incidents. So how many of us ”fascists” died on September 11, 2001? Ever watch any reality shows involving police? Ever notice there are more everyday blacks and everyday whites killing each other?
      How lucky you are to be able to die fighting fascism in this age! Go for it.

      Reply
  6. James Lincoln says

    Sep 8, 2020 at 9:56 pm

    When I think of the BLM/antifa riots going on right now in Democrat-controlled cities, I think of John Fogerty’s “Gunslinger”

    ===============

    “Looking out across this town
    Kinda makes me wonder how
    All the things that made us great
    Got left so far behind

    This used to be a peaceful place
    Decent folks, hard working ways
    Now they hide behind locked doors
    Afraid to speak their mind

    I think we need a gunslinger
    Somebody tough to tame this town
    I think we need a gunslinger
    There’ll be justice all around

    Someone let the fences go
    While that bunch moved in, you know
    Shooting up the streets
    Shoutin’ everybody down
    The dogs all running loose

    Wreck the paper
    Closed the school
    Tired ol’ judge got roughed up too
    No one left to make a stand
    They whisper, “what’s the use”

    I think we need a gunslinger
    Somebody tough to tame this town
    I think we need a gunslinger
    There’ll be justice all around”

    Reply
    • E T says

      Sep 8, 2020 at 10:20 pm

      Excellent choice James.

      Reply
    • curious george says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 5:19 pm

      JL,

      I have never heard this, however, what immediately came to mind was the movie, High Noon with Gary Cooper and Grace Kelly.

      Reply
      • gravenimage says

        Sep 9, 2020 at 5:31 pm

        Here’s John Fogarty’s Gunslinger:

        Reply
        • curious george says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 5:42 pm

          Thank you, gravenimage. Now I can say I have heard John Fogarty’s Gunslinger.

        • E T says

          Sep 9, 2020 at 6:39 pm

          Thank you James and GI. Although I am younger than Joe Biden, I am too old to run, which is a terrible shame, I would make that my campaign song and my platform would be “I don’t give a shit about any of you, I only want the money and the power BUT I am honest.

  7. RCCA says

    Sep 9, 2020 at 2:56 pm

    I had a meditation teacher (MMY) who used to say, “Sometimes it takes a thorn to remove a thorn.”

    Reply
    • Mauricio says

      Sep 9, 2020 at 7:06 pm

      My grandpa told me that when the mother of my first son dumped me and took my child away.

      Reply
  8. E T says

    Sep 9, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    Oh Cog, I listen to lovely Leonard singing “I’m Your Man” and I know he was singing that song to me. One can linger longer listening to Lovely Leonard. Allah would not approve.

    Reply
  9. dusty says

    Sep 10, 2020 at 1:08 pm

    My favourite Dylan is “Not Dark Yet”

    But it’s getting there.

    Reply

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