What will French society be like in ten years? 20?
“France: One in Four Young Muslims Refuse to Condemn Charlie Hebdo Terror Killings,” by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, September 3, 2020:
A survey released by the Institut Français d’Opinion Publique (Ifop) has revealed that 26 per cent of French Muslims under the age of 25 refuse to condemn the 2015 Charlie Hebdo terror killings.
The study, which was undertaken in partnership with the satirical newspaper itself, revealed that 59 per cent of the French general public supported Charlie Hebdo‘s right to publish depictions of the Islamic prophet Mohammed — 21 per cent more than a similar study in 2006.
However, five per cent of Muslims say they do not condemn the actions of the radical Islamic terrorists who committed the attack, and when broken down by age, over a quarter of those under 25 said they would not condemn killings, while 12 per cent said they condemn the attack but share the values of the attackers.
72 per cent of all Muslims denounced the 2015 massacre — but this majority is still significantly lower than the figure for the public at large, with 88 per cent of the general population condemning the killings.
41 per cent of Muslims said they would not participate in a minute’s silence for the victims, and a quarter of Muslims said they would even hurl insults during ceremonies to honour those slain.
Gérard Biard, editor-in-chief of Charlie Hebdo, commented on the results, saying: “In 2020, when you’re between 15 and 24, freedom of expression is probably not a priority, unlike the fable maintained by billionaires who own social networks.”…
No Muzzies Here says
Seeing that real French people are not reproducing very rapidly, and seeing that Muslims have an astronomical birth rate, it seems like a good idea to go visit the Sacre Coeur and Notre Dame now, while they are still standing and haven’t yet been converted to massive latrines for Muslims.
talleyrand says
yes rats and rabbits breed rather fast having litters every few weeks ,and sadly had to include rabbits
Have you not wokenup with multipul wives of course the breeding rate is high ,where as a real French person only has one wife and gives thought to bringing children into the world as it is now as does all Christian races
They do NOT follow the rantings of some mad Mulla or a dead crack pot in a turbin long dead that supposedly flew on a winged donkey to have afternoon tea with the moon god or was that breakfast .??
would you bring countless children into a world we have at present with Loonies running wild , and as there is already not enough to stuff the country, import boat loads more breeding stock all closely related and as mad as those alredy there
Keep it all in the family
Red Pill says
+1
Frank Anderson says
Considering what I have read about islam, it is amazing that 26 percent admit approving. To be muslim one must approve all its teachings, practices and history. It they do not approve, they are rebelling and are reformers or apostates, subject to the death penalty. To be muslim is to be committed to what it teaches, and accepting all its goals of world conquest and slavery. But to admit it to kafirs (kuffar) is not to be done because it could motivate a few more to defy and resist instead of sleep and surrender. “You shall know the truth; and the truth shall set you free.” Bible. “But first it will make you miserable.” Thomas Jefferson (?). I keep wondering how long, and how many, people would rather die in deliberate ignorance, than live with temporary misery.
Terry Gain says
Yes. I think 74% of Muslims are lying about how they actually feel. Of course, I am only referring to Muslims who know their “religion”. I refer to the others as alleged Muslims.
Most Muslims are mostly peaceful. I don’t trust people who are mostly peaceful.
Wellington says
Well said.
Ismail Ali says
No nominal Muslim. No two ways about Islam.Islam is Islam ,anyday ,anywhere ,anytime .. Your definition of Muslim is a piece of grammatical rubbish.
James Lincoln says
Ismail Ali says,
“No two ways about Islam.Islam is Islam…”
That is a true statement. There should be no prefix assigned to islam such as radical, moderate, etc.
There is only one islam – and it is what it is.
You have inadvertently helped the cause here at Jihad Watch…
gravenimage says
Does Ismail Ali have any problem with over a quarter of his coreligionists in this group openly cheering for the slaughter of non-violent cartoonists? Not so he says.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonsoir Franck,
When fear goes up, you can only be hypocritical (by necessity).
Peace upon you
À bientôt
Daniel Triplett says
I’m guessing the percentage measure of Muslims dropping taqiyya to speak honestly about Islamic doctrine is directly proportional to the confidence they have in their current position of strength: On the immediate tactical level, their openness would depend on the individual with whom they’re speaking; and on a strategic level, their honesty would depend on their population strength in the community or state. If they’re honest, then they’re not worried about Islam losing ground or momentum.
When the majority drop the taqiyya, that’s a bad sign for Kafirs, and is perhaps an indication they’re ready to advance to the next stage of jihad toward compulsory sharia for everyone.
James Lincoln says
Daniel Triplett,
An excellent and accurate analysis, my compliments.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Daniel and James.
Red Pill says
+1
Red Pill says
The majority of the others 74% are probably in Taqiyya.
Frank Anderson says
R.P., I don’t think it matters to us whether the remainder are trying to deceive us, or themselves. For 1400 years islam has taught and practiced murder, conquest and slavery. To be muslim is to pray for death, theirs and ours.
mortimer says
One out of four young Muslims in France support jihad-terrorism. This is their IDEOLOGICAL understanding of Islam.
The French authorities should be not only CONCERNED, but DETERMINED to find the antidote to TERRORIST INDOCTRINATION. But instead, they WRING THEIR HANDS and DITHER (as do all other Western governments and their intelligence departments).
French intellectuals are well-positioned and well-educated to DESTROY THE IDEOLOGY of jihad and make it intellectually IMPOSSIBLE to be a Muslim in the 21st century. But they DITHER and DO NOTHING.
When Muslims observe that the Koran is of human origin, they leave Islam.
Frank Anderson says
“When Muslims observe that the Koran is of human origin, they leave Islam.”
Mortimer, while i disagree with you at some times and on a few issues, I respect your commitment. On this particular statement, I do not see how a muslim would dare to question the origin of the koran to reach a conclusion to leave. In other examples of the negotiating process, this is called an impasse, where no further talk is productive. Here, to a muslim bound by the death penalty for any Thought, much less Act of reform or apostasy, who dares, except for a brave few, to see the truth?
James Lincoln says
Frank Anderson says,
“I do not see how a muslim would dare to question the origin of the koran to reach a conclusion to leave.”
In a muslim majority country, this is certainly the case.
In a Western country, where a muslim feels safer to question the origin of the koran, there have been some muslims who have left islam and have become apostates – mostly isolated one-off incidences. David Wood has referenced some.
Very best wishes always.
Frank Anderson says
Thank you James. Considering the frequency of honor killings and other murders in nominally muslim minority countries, the RARE apostates are to be encouraged and protected with every resource; but those who remain muslim should be taken at their word. They mean what they say-even if they help others do the dirt instead of doing it themselves. “The knowledge of one is the knowledge of all. The ACTS of one are the acts of all.”
How many Germans were Nazi’s? I mean really committed, serious, fire-breathing, murdering Nazi’s? Very few; but they controlled the sheep who allowed and enabled them. We need to learn those lessons or we will see them repeated. Jorge Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905).
Daniel Triplett says
An example of apostasy stats in the West. Other sources confirm this too:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/oct/13/20021013-092358-6523r/
” The closest figures are those by David Barrett, co-author of the World Christian Encyclopedia, who estimates that within U.S. borders, 50,000 Christians per year turn to Islam while 20,000 Muslims adopt Christianity. ”
Regardless of the rare Muslims who apostatize, many numbers more freely convert into Islam–without being forced. And this is in the United States, where the truth of Islam is available for people to freely learn all about it before submitting. The ratio is even more asymmetric elsewhere in the world.
So, obviously the war of words and reason alone is failing. Words of truth are indispensable for the campaign, but they must be accompanied with force — force of law, and kinetic force, if we’re to win this war.
Frank Anderson says
D.T. I have no foundation to disagree. I hope you have or will take the time to read what happened in Germany after WWI when confronted with similar threats. Reading 200 pages of the 1000 page Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, which cover the period end of WWI to Hitler’s appointment as Chancellor (Jan 30,1933) is to me like reading today’s news. The available then are not to me distinguishable from the choices we face now. The only difference I see is we at least have a historical lesson to consider.
Daniel Triplett says
I’ll check out this book. Thanks Frank. 1000 pages. Impressive…doing the deep dive. Highly germane: I too spend a lot of time studying WWI through II. Speaking of 1914 – 1933, that reminds me, I have “The Guns of August” sitting on my shelf that I must read also.
Last week I watched part 1 of the 3 part “The World Wars” (2014 – History Channel or Prime), which covers the period you describe: Assassination of Archduke Ferdinand through Hitler’s appointment to Chancellor. I recommend. It’s a unique documentary that tells the story through the eyes, motivations, evolution, and actions of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Tojo, FDR, Churchill, MacArthur, and Patton. All these leaders were involved with both wars. The filmmaker strives to explain how it wasn’t 2 wars, but rather one 31-year story.
I agree with you about the similarities of elements between that specific period and the broader 1400-year Islamic War. It’s a strongly relevant and useful lesson for us. Our grandfathers already showed us how this works. They had long-term strategic vision.
They weren’t stupid, and they didn’t let arrogance, “wokeness,” and virtue-signaling cloud their judgment and slow them down. They fought to win, in short order, and FDR gave them the ROE to do it.
Frank Anderson says
Daniel, the excerpt I suggest reading is about 200 pages of the 1000. I have read the entire book in high school, during college and again recently. The parallels appear at least useful. It is likely if you read the 200 pages, you will want to read more.
Keith O says
Mortimer,
“when Muslims observe that the Koran is of human origin, they leave Islam”.
Gotta disagree with you on that. It is part of the reason, but there are a lot of other factors at play, including the understanding that civilized humans don’t call for violence to silence critics, using violence to control women etc.
If the understanding that a sacred book is of human origin is the reason they leave a religion, then Christians would also be leaving in droves.
It’s not the origin of the book but it’s contents.
ALL sacred texts worldwide are the result of human intervention, which may or may not be inspired by a higher power.
But it is the contents and the teachings of the texts that make the difference, NOT the source.
The Koran is filled with violence and incitement to commit violence. There is little in the way of peaceful teachings in it’s pages to out weigh the rantings of a deeply disturbed mind.
mortimer says
QUOTE: “72 per cent of all Muslims denounced the 2015 massacre — but this majority is still significantly lower than the figure for the public at large, with 88 per cent of the general population condemning the killings.”
Note the above differential is 16% !!!
COINCIDENCE?
In nearly all countries, about 15% of Muslims say they support terrorist groups. That is about the percentage that attends mosque prayer services.
Is that a coincidence?
Let me spell it out: It means that one Muslim in six is in favor of jihad-terrorism and can be counted on by jihadists for support and concealment.
Wellington says
I strongly suspect, mortimer, that it is more than 1/6th, but assuming that this calculation is correct, another major problem is that the other 5/6ths, with perhaps extremely few exceptions, will do nothing to impede the 1/6th, indeed many of the 5/6ths will more or less silently approve of what that 1/6th has perpetrated.
All of which, if I am right here, confirms what I have asserted before at JW and that is that the so-called peaceful Muslims give cover to Islam. The West would be much better off if the percentages above were reversed because then the Islamic veil would be far more likely to be lifted from the malevolent belief system which is Mo’s creed and many more non-Muslims would thereafter finally realize how evil Islam truly is. It’s ironic to be sure but so-called peaceful Muslims are actually the greater problem.
James Lincoln says
Wellington says,
“It’s ironic to be sure but so-called peaceful Muslims are actually the greater problem.”
Very interesting analysis, I actually never thought about it quite that way…
Red Pill says
“In nearly all countries, about 15% of Muslims say they support terrorist groups. That is about the percentage that attends mosque prayer services.”
Interesting correlation…
OTTER says
How much does 26% workout in actual numbers? We are always told about the vast majority of Peace loving Muslims. And remember they were only 19 hijackers in 9/11 and what percentage does 19 turn out to be out of the worlds more than 1 billion Muslims? Start with a decimal and add many many zeros. I’m sick and tired of hearing this nonsense about the Peace loving majority of Muslims. The fifth column is willing truly inside.
gravenimage says
Officially, there are 5,760,000 Muslims in France–8.8% of the population there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France#:~:text=France%20has%20one%20of%20the,8.8%25%20of%20the%20total%20population.
I’m sure the actual population is even higher, given the large numbers of illegal immigrants.
I have not been able to find what percentage of the Muslim population is below 25, but we know that it is higher than the native French population.
So even conservatively, we are talking about tens or even hundreds of thousands. Very disturbing.
Frank Anderson says
GI, and France has nuclear weapons which are after 60+ years of testing and development as good as any in the world, combined with breeder reactors that can produce all the material needed to make as many more as their new masters wish. What a “joyful” vision for the future?
James Lincoln says
Frank Anderson,
I fear that current islamic theocracies are learning that they do not have to actually develop their own nuclear arsenal.
The simply invade Western countries using Hijrah – islamic invasion through migration – and then take control over the nukes.
Frank Anderson says
J.L. it took the US about 4 years to make and test the first atomic bomb when nobody knew it would work. The Brit’s, French and Soviets were not far behind. Then the Pak’s, Indians and Chinese joined the club followed recently by North Korea. At one time Libya, Iraq, Syria, Argentina, Brazil and Chile had nuclear weapons programs. And SOUTH AFRICA had and tested bombs before “changing” regimes. Iran has been “working” on obtaining nuclear weapons for how long, without having one? John Vernon in Outlaw Josey Wales, “We gotta sayin’ in Missouri Senator: Don’t piss down my back and tell me its rainin'”.Iran has bombs now and will use them to bring back the twelfth imam when they have enough to accomplish their dream of death. MAD fails as a deterrent when one side’s goal is to kill the entire human population..
Do you notice anything about this list? The ability to obtain nuclear weapons depends only on time and money. There is more than one way to get them. Can we depend on the UK and France to “denuclearize” as was done by South Africa when they fall to the muslim conquest? Scooby Doo, “Rottsa Ruck!”
Always best wishes to you.
James Lincoln says
Frank Anderson,
Scary times indeed.
And if islamic theocracies either develop or get control of existing nuclear weapons, I’m not sure that the West can count on the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) as a deterrent to their use…
Frank Anderson says
James, I suggest in all courtesy and fully earned friendship there is no reason at all for uncertainty about the effectiveness of MAD. I am listing some of the books I have read, which are only a few of those available discussing the relevant subject:
1. The Islamic AntiChrist, Joel Richardshon
2. America Alone, Mark Steyn
3. Why Israel Can’t Wait, Jerome Corsi
4. The Apocalypse of Ahmadinejad, Mark Hitchcock
5. The Iran Threat, Alireza Jafarzadeh
6. On Thermonuclear War, Herman Kahn
The conclusion I think all these authors share is that MAD has no meaning for people who want to die in the process of killing others. They have been conquering and slaughtering for 1400 years. What delusion do you think can be used that will get them to change now? There is no point in negotiating when you know from the start any deal made is a total sham.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonsoir Frank,
What do you think about the missile defense shield ?
Islamic scholars have instilled in their flock the fear of the free speech. These scholars do everything possible to keep the Muslim youth from thinking for themselves. You should therefore not be surprised that a number of young Muslims do not agree with secular rules.
I am sure that without brainwashing and recruitment in the Islamic sect, even a child would understand that Quran is rubbish.
My friendship for you (always) and for USA.
À bientôt
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, most sincere greetings are returned.
I would fund a defense shield that is operating and improved at every opportunity. It adds uncertainty to any attack. The current excitement about hypersonic weapons does not impress me for this reason. They are slow compared to ICBM’s which are already targetable, and they are outrageously hot compared to their background and surroundings. Anyone who has studied what happens in supersonic conditions as part of Thermodynamics and understands why aluminum skinned aircraft cannot fly more than about 2.5 times the speed of sound, understands also that with the enormous computing power available today and the absurdly fast reaction times achieved decades ago, hypersonic missiles can be intercepted. They cannot turn fast enough and glow.
For example, look at the 1970’s Spartan and Sprint system. The Sprint accelerated at 100 g’s to destroy an incoming ICBM. If you can find a video of such a launch, prepare to be amazed. How much has been learned since? We can now kill a warhead with a direct hit instead of a nuclear explosion. Look at the US Navy’s various close-in air and missile defenses. How much has changed and improved since WWII. It won’t be long before lasers become so powerful, and inexpensive to operate, that many terrifying threats now will become irritations in the future.
Look at Israel’s Arrow and Iron Dome. Why is the engine in front of the Merkava tank? Kafirs value people. Muslims kill people, or enslave them..
It did not matter how or why Nazi’s and Communists brainwashed children and used them to enslave their parents. The only thing that matters is they did.
Peace to you; and God Help France.
Daniel Triplett says
Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) nuclear-deterrence only works with people who love their children as we love ours. So, I don’t see MAD working against people who honor-kill their children or strap bombs to them for martyrdom hits all to please their deity.
The Iranian theocratic leadership is already on record stating that they’re willing to sacrifice their entire state and everyone in it if they can conquer the Kafirs for Allah in the process. Like a car-bomb martyrdom hit, but on a global scale — to be killed while killing Kafirs guarantees them the highest place in Jannah. They consider getting vaped by Allied nukes in a nuke exchange to be a great deal.
Allowing the Paks to amass an arsenal was an enormous mistake. It’s just a matter of time before those nukes are stolen, sold, or a devout PM gains power and ignites the apocalypse to fast-track his nation to Paradise.
If we don’t confiscate or destroy the Pak nukes, people down the road are going to get hurt.
Paks may use missiles on India, but other than that, whether it’s the Paks, Iranians, or any other Muslim group, I don’t expect they’ll use missiles.
Like Frank said, I think Iran already has at least one weapon, and they’re just waiting to amass several dozen of them to covertly position around the world to strategic targets to detonate at will. They’ll either pre-position the devices themselves or they’ll use their proxy goon squads. They won’t be ICBMs, rather it will be nuke in a van or nuke in a container ship, which will be next to impossible to track and defend against.
This is why we must eliminate the Iranian arsenal and nuke production facilities today. The consequences will be staggering if we don’t.
Obviously, Muslims controlling UK and French nukes is totally unacceptable. Beforehand, we’ll need to insist they let us hang on to them until if/when the Kafirs regain control. I have hope in the natives though that before it gets to that point they’ll finally rise up and demand national policy proscribing Islam — at which point the Islamic insurgency ignites — at which point we could help with counter-insurgency. We can’t possibly help them though until they first decide to win the war and help themselves and ask for our help.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonsoir Franck,
Nazism and communism collapsed. They were obsolete and as you well know nothing can go on forever including the Islamic system.
Not to be repetitive, but given the history of France and even if we are very traditionalist, we do no longer want to hear about blasphemy crime, absolute power or totalitarian regime.
And contrary to some generally accepted ideas, WW2 is no exception. The southern French population, especially the Corsicans (as I understood) did not realize, at least initially, they were fooled by the Vichy government, when they woke up, their response was incomprehension and anger. For instance the Corsicans (and indeed all the nation) rejected this government, and decided to resist against the Italians and the Nazies. The result of this, was that Corsica was the first French land to be liberated and they celebrated the regained freedom by waving proudly the national flag. It’s true that our Corsican fellow citizens are hot tempered but it’s the case for all of us, that is a national character trait.
I did not like the magazine Hara kiri called nowadays Charlie Hebdo. I think/thought, rightly or wrongly, that this paper is/was obnoxious. However I bought two copies of the satirical newspaper to support the journalists in their struggle for freedom of expression.
It seems Macon understands. He was rightly very worried during the yellow vest crisis but he is a patriot and it is not a section of the population that will make him change his mind.
Therefore, we have the right to criticize religions, and the political class agrees with the principle that freedom of press cannot be put into question in a democratic country.
Stay safe and peace upon USA
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, I respectfully disagree with the proposition that Nazism and Communism have collapsed. At most they hibernated and have reawakened to join islam as totalitarian ideologies seeking to conquer, enslave or kill.
While Communism originated in name with Karl Marx in the 1800’s and Nazism originated by name in the 1900’s islam arose in the 600’s. They are not going to be wished away by pleasant thoughts. And they do not seem to be contracting in their efforts.
Again, in all respect and friendship, I ask you if at all possible to read Viktor Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning to examine his proposal of the “delusion of reprieve”. The English translation of the book is about 150 pages in pocket sized paperback. The book made a big difference in my life.
Of course, I support a free and joyous France as I support a free and joyous world, without any person or group who seeks my death or slavery. Frank
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonjour Frank,
Obviously evil cannot disappear, the only limit is not to fall into the trap set of those who claim that good and evil do not exist, that all this is only a matter of culture and points of view and bla-bla-bla. Starting from this statement all abuses are possible. It’s the lengthy speech of the political correctness’s defenders.
Evil exists and its émanations can be stamp out. The Third Reich and the Soviet Union collapsed. The Islamic system is not sustainable in the long term. How many elitist and totalitarian systems do you know that have never been challenged ?
The Mediterraneans, who created the islamic ideology, did not believe it could last forever. They predicted its fall, but Baal cult is so old that we cannot détermine its age.
Apocalypse means revelation and I believe the elders were deliberately careful to tell us how evil will be defeated: the liars will be unmasked.
When the truth comes out, those talking heads are exceeded by their own claptrap.
As far I am concerned Revelation cannot take place without the Freedom of expression.
I use some of your words and “I support free and joyous USA as I support a free and joyous world, without any person or group who seeks our death or slavery“
Peace upon you and upon the world.
Sincere wishes to all of you.
À bientôt
gravenimage says
Good exchange.
gravenimage says
France: 26% of Muslims in France under age 25 refuse to condemn Charlie Hebdo jihad massacre
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And those are the ones so emboldened as to openly admit this savagery.