Refugees welcome! They are not dangerous, they are in danger!
This incident is reminiscent of a strange story in the Qur’an. A mysterious figure, known as Khidr in Islamic tradition, kills a boy in an apparently random and gratuitous attack. He then explains: “And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief. So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy.” (18:80-81)
And according to Islamic law, “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (Reliance of the Traveller o1.1-2).
Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.”
Until the encouragement Islamic law gives to honor killing is acknowledged and confronted, more women will suffer.
“Family is said to have planned murder plot against Heda B. (23),” translated from “Familie soll Mordkomplott gegen Heda B. (23) geplant haben,” by Anne Losensky, BZ, September 22, 2020 (thanks to Medforth):
What kind of mother plans to cripple her child or have her killed right away? Heda B. (23) lived in too western a fashion for the tastes of her family from Chechnya. That almost cost the young woman her life. She is now under witness protection – and half her family is on trial.
Criminal Court, Room 500. Born in Chechnya. Russian passports. For years in Berlin. When Interior Senator Andreas Geisel (SPD) analyzed Berlin’s organized crime in December 2019, perpetrators with a Russian-Eurasian background came right after bikers and Arab clans. Investigators found “unusual cohesion”, a “rigorous system of sanctions” and “transregional networking”. “Honor” is often spoken about in these circles, but it has nothing to do with actual honor.
Senior Public Prosecutor Michael Wachs from the Berlin Public Prosecutor’s Office reads the indictment. 14 pages of hate in the finest legal German: Crime date, attempted murder, serious deprivation of liberty.
Heda’s mother Hava I. (45, no job), brother Daurbek B. (24, no job) and the former law student Mairbek K. (36) sit behind armored glass (they were arrested on January 18, 2020). The alleged helpers of the plot against the apostate woman are her uncle Tamirland D. (28, no job) and Zelimkhan Ba. (29, former management student), both at large.
The young woman was entered into an Islamic marriage in 2018, according to the prosecution. She fled from the “severely mentally ill” man after three months. She reported him – because of his attempt to join the terrorist ISIS in Syria. Shortly before her testimony against him, the family shipped her to Georgia, the prosecution said. She was detained in a mountain valley for weeks, and also beaten.
In the following period the family considered how to proceed with her, “who had violated the family honor by leaving her husband, testifying to the police, aborting a child and possibly other alleged misconduct,” according to the prosecution. In mid-December 2019, “a killing abroad” was discussed intensively, if her remarriage to a man from Pankisital in Georgia should fail.
According to the indictment, the ex-law student offered himself to the mother as a killer because her daughter “will always be dangerous as long as she is still alive”. According to the indictment, the mother should also have considered “crippling” her daughter – while the brother was looking for a husband “who could keep her under control”.
Until their mother, brother and ex-law student were arrested, murder was a topic between them almost every day, as is shown by the records of the family’s tapped phone calls. Now the alleged accomplices are silent in court.
On Friday, the daughter is supposed to testify as a witness, guarded by armed bodyguards. The defendants face up to 15 years imprisonment. The judgment is set for December 3rd.
nicu says
They never will fit in a modern culture ! Germany doesn’t see so called honor killings not even a crime anymore !
gravenimage says
Nicu, they *are* being charged. Please reread this story.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Muslim migrant family charged with plotting to murder daughter because of her Western lifestyle
We’re seeing more and more of this, where many muslims want to live free of islam’s barbaric restrictions but feel they can’t, in large part because the left encourage a climate of oppression for islam. It’s easy to understand why so many closet atheists and other aspiring apostates are fearful of leaving islam, they know their host government will turn a blind eye to their oppressed situation. No doubt there are many muslims who know islam is retarded and dangerous and they’d like to leave it completely. But I can appreciate the reticence they might feel about leaving it, it’s often a death sentence if they do, or maybe some acid in the face, or a beating, or jail, or a total rejection from family and friends. Islamic bigotry knows no bounds, they kill even their own family members for the islamic superstition, allah robs them of their good sense almost like a demonic possession. And in a way that’s what it is, a demonic possession by the demon they have invented out of bigoted ignorance. It’s shockingly wrong, shockingly evil, and the left only makes this real-life horror story worse with their willing participation. F*ck them for robbing us of our humanity and peaceful existence for a demonic cult of supremacist hate, bigotry, and murder.
Walter Sieruk says
That heinously evil, brutal vicious violent and murderous Islamic tradition which is so very inappropriately called, in the Muslim world, “honor killing.”
The very term for that wicked monstrous affront all that is good decent and right is absurd.
For calling such a heinous abomination of wicked action an “honor killing” is just like scrapping off the label o fa jar of cyanide that reads “Danger Poison” and replacing it with another label that reads “Apple Juice.”
Changing the label of the jar doesn’t, in any way, change , the dangerous and deadly substance contained in that jar.
Likewise, calling a brutal cruel vicious malicious action of evil by the better sounding term doesn’t change that it’s totally evil
Christopher Watson says
15 years? They should get 30-40 in solitary confinement or, which would be preferable, the death sentence.
RichardL says
they will probationary sentences.
Ursula says
Maybe eight years. Based on previous sentences for murder in Germany, life is cheap. The only way to stop honor killings is to Immediately immediately deport all family members who participated, whether actively or in silence. It would be successful because most of them really do not want to go back to Muslim-controlled countries, but want to establish sharia-parallel societies in the host nations.
roberta says
There is a simplicity to their answer for all of life’s problems.
“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.” Einstein—-There you have it, islam was sanctioned by Einstein.
If you cant take Einsteins word for it, you must be an islomophobe and a hater.
Michael Chernick says
Roberta, please give accurate attribution with name of publication, date, so we can get some context on your claim of what Einstein said. The way you present your claim does not provide clear context of your attitude, especially toward Einstein’s ancestry. He, like you, could have a naive period in their life.
gravenimage says
I don’t think Roberta is serious in saying this quote was about Islam–she is being sarcastic.
roberta says
I thought I’d gone far enough off the edge of ridiculous that the sarc would be obvious.
Bad joke.
gravenimage says
Germany: Muslim migrant family charged with plotting to murder daughter because of her Western lifestyle
……………
Hideous. Glad they were caught in time.
vcragain says
As I keep trying to tell you folks – if you would all drop your RW ‘those Lefties’ talk you MIGHT get more cooperation from those of a Left persuasion who are not really ‘INTO’ Islam any more than you are. What ‘those Lefties’ are guilty of (and I am a ‘Leftie’) is being too tolerant of other humans’ religious bents, the Evangelicals included – which is your RW-extremist-nut-job’s flavor of religion…we – ‘those Lefties’ – tend to try & encompass what others believe in a caring way. Being too caring & tolerant CAN lead you into a very dangerous situation, as we have all seen with the cult of Islam. However the main problem is that it is STILL true that the large majority of Muslims are innocent of the ridiculous bigotry & violence pushed on the world by the inventors & the Mullahs of their faith (merely just another group of men craving importance) – they are really only following along because they were born into the darned thing, and know not much else ! Very unfortunate for them & us ! BUT – Islam & any particular political bent have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other, so your constant nagging away at my political bent just makes me disgusted with your lack of perception of what the base problem is – violent by-the-book Islam !
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
…if you would all drop your RW ‘those Lefties’ talk you MIGHT get more cooperation from those of a Left persuasion who are not really ‘INTO’ Islam any more than you are. ~vcragain
Well I can’t agree with that POV, it’s primarily the left who’s always bowing to protect islam, just like they kneel to appease violent BLM.
The current zeitgeist of the left is one of capitulation for the many misogynist, harmful traits of islam. The left have publicly and consistently shown themselves to think like cultural relativists, to them all cultures are “equal” even though FGM, gender segregation, arranged marriages, honor killing, murderous homophobia, etc., are human rights violations that few sensible people would describe as “equal” to our human rights and cultural values. It’s almost always left leaning politicians and media who protect and lie for islam, praising every tiny morsel of goodness they can think of while ignoring the obvious threat to our peace and security. And it’s typically leftists who defame people like Spencer and other good folks like him for the good work they do in exposing the human rights abuses in islam. Anyone who speaks against islam, no matter how intellectual and factual they may be, are typically labelled “right wing nuts,” and you can bet it ain’t some other right wing nut that’s doing the labeling. It’s the left of course, because people on the left can’t bear anyone that contradicts their “multicultural” paradise they envision for our future. People on the right are conservative, they don’t agree with allowing millions of muslims in who live for a violent superstitious creed that is quite obviously the source of so much death and social unrest around the world. And I think you’re wrong in saying, “Islam & any particular political bent have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other,” because islam is very much about totalitarianism for religion and is therefore a single party government. And I think you’re wrong in saying, ” Muslims are innocent of the ridiculous bigotry & violence pushed on the world,” because it’s their culture-wide imprimatur of islam that encourages the violence and aggression they constantly manifest against our nations on every level, in our schools, our politics, their enclaves, their mosques, and even on the battle field in some far off country. They aren’t that “innocent,” their “peaceful” participation in islam is the key ingredient in the islamic poison that ails us.
I blame the left because they have consistently shown themselves to be in full support of islam over our freedoms, security, and national integrity. Apparently you disagree with that and that’s okay, but I think you’re ignoring real-life evidence that proves you wrong.
James Lincoln says
vcragain says,
“What ‘those Lefties’ are guilty of (and I am a ‘Leftie’) is being too tolerant of other humans’ religious bents…”
You may certainly lean a little left, but you are not a true Leftist. A true “Leftist” would not even engage in this kind of dialogue.
You also allude to the concept “The Paradox of Tolerance”. This was a concept advanced by the philosopher Karl Popper which claims that “unlimited tolerance necessarily results in the destruction of the tolerant by the intolerant, resulting in a society in which tolerance is no longer possible.”
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Also agree with the comments of Agostino Armo Pellegrini in this thread…
gravenimage says
+1