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Italy: Top Muslim leader says Judaism and Christianity are ‘manipulation of original messages of prophets’

Sep 27, 2020 9:00 am By Robert Spencer 41 Comments

Yassine Baradai is simply enunciating standard Islamic theology, which holds that all the Biblical prophets were Muslims (cf. Qur’an 3:67, which says it about Abraham), and that their wayward followers then twisted and hijacked their teachings to create Judaism and Christianity. But the Pope and the Italian Catholic bishops either don’t know this or are afraid that acknowledging its truth will harm the spurious “dialogue” they’re having with Muslim leaders such as Yassine Baradai. That “dialogue” hasn’t produced one single positive result. It hasn’t prevented one Christian from being persecuted, or one church from being burned. But the Pope and bishops are too deeply committed to it to admit its failure.

“Top Muslim Torpedoes Interfaith Dialogue,” by Jules Gomes, ChurchMilitant.com, September 24, 2020:

PIACENZA, Italy (ChurchMilitant.com) – Italy’s top Muslim leader, whose organization supports Pope Francis’ pact with Islam, is causing acute embarrassment to Catholic apologists of interfaith dialogue after he insulted Jews and Christians as heretics.

Yassine Baradai, national secretary of the Union of Islamic Communities of Italy (UCOII) — the largest umbrella organization of the Islamic communities in Italy — sparked outrage after trashing Judaism and Christianity as “heresy” and a “manipulation of the original message of the prophets.”

“Indeed, both these creeds are heresy according to Islam,” and the Koran, Baradai wrote in an Aug. 29 Facebook post summarizing a sermon he’d delivered to mark the festival of Ashura.

“If it were otherwise, we as Muslims would be required to follow Judaism or Christianity, but Islam corrects the crippling made in the residual scriptures of the Torah and the gospel,” Baradai remarked.

“Salvation was offered to the Israelite people and not the Jewish people, who are of recent nascency” since “the children of Israel weren’t Jews,” Baradai argued.

The preacher also claimed that the Old Testament prophets “were not Jews, but Muslims” and “the children of Israel and the Jews are two different things.”

‘Slap in the Face’

“Not a single Jewish leader or Catholic bishop has the courage to protest and debunk these blasphemous public statements against the two Abrahamic religions, even though UCOII is seen as a leading member of the Catholic-Muslim dialogue scene in Italy,” Francesco Maggio, expert in interreligious relations with Islam for Italy, told Church Militant.

“Baradai’s statement is a slap in the face of Vatican II’s pronouncements that ‘Islam is among the three Abrahamic religions’ and that ‘Muslims worship with us a single, merciful God’ — a position from which evangelicals adhering to the Bible have always distanced themselves,” Maggio noted.

“However, UCOII feels the time is now ripe to turn the Vatican’s inclusive policy into an exclusivist policy and thus subvert everything,” he observed.

“And since we are talking about dialogue here, I clearly do not see the same spirit coming from this Islamic leader, the current national secretary of the UCOII.”

Maggio also said Catholic leaders were deliberately “maintaining radio silence” for fear that the controversy might “raise a stink” just before Pope Francis signs his Fratelli Tutti (“All Brothers”) encyclical on human fraternity in Assisi on Oct. 3….

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  1. Jedothek says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 9:19 am

    What inconsistencies, if any, exist between the old testament and the Quran?

    Reply
    • mortimer says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 9:35 am

      Jedothek! Are you kidding??? There are well over 700 inconsistencies between the Koran and the Bible! A friend of mine stopped counting the inconsistencies at 700. He believes there are about 900 inconsistencies between the Koran and the Bible of 66 books.

      The author of the Koran hadn’t the slightest concern about facts or accuracy. He spun his tails from quotes that he then MISCHARACTERIZED to make whatever political or theological point that suited him. He did READ the original and carefully DECYPHER the INTENDED MEANING of it. He blatantly cribbed, then distorted the originals and then declared it a masterpiece!

      Moreover, the author of the Koran quoted THE WRONG TEXTS. He quoted APOCRYPHAL, NON-CANONICAL WRITINGS as well as opinions, and poetry from other Arabs and then declared them all REVELATIONS from the deity.

      The author of the Koran quoted the New Testament only a handful of times, but quoted the HERETICAL, APOCRYPHAL WRITINGS even more times … he then mischaracterized those texts as well.

      INTENTIONAL MISCHARACTERIZATION of borrowed literary materials is the hallmark of the method of the Koran’s careless author. He does not make a correct citation from another work once.

      Reply
      • mortimer says

        Sep 27, 2020 at 9:38 am

        Important correction : (The author of the Koran) DID NOT READ the original NOR did he carefully DECYPHER the INTENDED MEANING of it. He even distorted meanings of the originals to say the OPPOSITE of what they said.

        All fails at reading comprehension and he forgot what he previously wrote in the OT and NT.

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        • FYI says

          Sep 27, 2020 at 2:42 pm

          allah forgot God’s name which is YHWH {not ‘allah’} which is absolutely ridiculous.

          allah claims he gave the Gospel to Jesus {koran 5:46}which is simply ludicrous.

        • Keith O says

          Sep 27, 2020 at 4:57 pm

          Mortimer, you have to remember that the Koran is basically the jabbering meanderings of an insane mind, so expecting any sort of consistency or correctness from it is not going to happen.
          One theory I have heard is that the Koran and “allah’s” teachings is the result of what we would call today a “possession” by a nasty spirit, this spirit wanted to feed off lower energies. And what better way to create that situation than to bring about Islam, which, as we all know is a powerhouse of evil energy.

  2. Dude says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 9:31 am

    WRITTEN IN STONE
    Yet He changed His mind, somehow a bit later authorizing murder, robbery, sex slaves, and all stenches of evil.
    This guy cannot see his own shame. Such humour to think inbred fools can approach the esoteric topics relating to God. No wonder they accept murder/rape/robbery/slavery as spiritual life, sexual pleasures as heavenly, the ultimate existence. Complete fools.

    Reply
    • mortimer says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 9:41 am

      Allah ‘abrogated’ a large amount of the OT and NT. However, the Koran says 21 times that ‘CONFIRMS’ those previous books ‘SENT DOWN’ by Allah.

      Muslims have religious requirement to believe ALL of Allah’s books, but they do not.

      Reply
  3. Jan Favre says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 9:34 am

    We know this Islamic bull shit.

    Reply
    • mortimer says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 9:42 am

      The Koran’s attitude to the Bible is AFFIRMATIVE and NEGATIVE at the same time. It is self-referentially incoherent.

      Reply
      • Linde Barrera says

        Sep 28, 2020 at 4:59 am

        To Mortimer-The doctrines of Islam came centuries after the Torah and the Holy Bible. So what the hell is this Muslim guy- Yassine Baradai- babbling about ?

        Seems to me that a Muslim’s main task is to spread propaganda and lies about Judaism and Christianity so that Islam appears better.
        😈😜

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      • gravenimage says

        Sep 28, 2020 at 11:14 pm

        Muslims claim that Judaism and Christianity used to be just like Islam–but then they allowed Jews and Christians to “corrupt” their scriptures with things like a loving God and the Golden Rule. Never mind that there is, of course, no evidence for this.

        Reply
  4. IQ al Rassooli says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 9:54 am

    Muhammad’s Quran asserts that ALL the Hebrew prophets were Muslims.

    Perfectly correct since Islam, at its core, is the belief in a SINGLE God and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Muhammad or his Quran.

    Therefore, obviously, according to the Hebrew Bible, starting with the Torah (Taurat), there was and is only one God, from Abraham and ALL the Hebrew prophets (including Jesus and his disciples) till before the advent of Muhammad.

    No one is asking this irrational follower of Muhammad, where anyone can find ANYTHING about the previous prophets in the history of the Arabs outside the Hebrew Bible and since such records do NOT exist, how is it then possible for any follower of Muhammad to determine how, where and when the ORIGINAL Hebrew or Christian sources were perverted before Muhammad?

    10:94 ““So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.”

    Considering the FACT that Allah in Muhammad Quran tells him that if he does not believe in Allah’s message, he should go to the People of the Book for verification. Allah would not had revealed this verse IF the Hebrew Bible and or New Testament were corrupted.

    No follower of Muhammad among 1,500,000,000 can ever prove that the Hebrew Bible or the New Testament were ever deliberately corrupted and their Quran is uncorrupted no matter how many twists and contortions of logic they can improve upon

    IQ al Rassooli

    Reply
    • john smith says

      Sep 28, 2020 at 4:56 pm

      IQ al Rassooli, I have just realised that FYI was responding to your post when I so rudely barged in, I do apologise.
      It is only now that I have read your post, and it really is excellent, thank you.

      Reply
  5. IQ al Rassooli says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 10:03 am

    Moreover,

    the worst offenders in the 21st century against Christians and Christianity are their so called LEADERS such as Francis and almost all the Western clerics who have been and continue to be deafeningly SILENT while MUSLIMS are Slaughtering, Raping, Kidnapping, Dispossessing, Terrorising and Humiliating Christians in every Muslim country on Earth

    The Collusion of the Catholic leaders especially, is the most despicable of all since it boasts the majority of the followers of Jesus. Under the watch of Francis, the most persecuted religious group on Earth are Christians by Muslims and he LOVES Muslims MORE than Christians.

    His legacy will be remembered as the worst by any pope since the Crusades

    IQ al Rassooli

    Reply
    • FYI says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 10:46 am

      Believe it or not,what is happening in Rome under this thundering disgrace of a pope is fully in line with numerous Catholic prophecies{which in turn are based on what is ALREADY written in scriptural prophecy}

      It is I believe what Pope Paul VI was talking about when he said the ‘smoke of satan’ has entered the church{1972}: I believe he was referring to people like Mr Bergoglio and his henchmen now in power.We can see the results.

      francis ,the Man in White,has introduced numerous heresies into Catholicism:it is only the truly blind who refuse to see the problem with that.

      See how he remains SILENT whilst Christians are being persecuted and killed,too busy as he is listening to the ‘groans of the land’ with his false eco-theology,pro-islam,pro -globalist agenda.

      The bad news is that francis is ‘pope’:the good news{in prophetic terms} is that this was predicted and thus will be dealt with in the Justice of God “for justice begins with the House of the Lord”
      {I peter 4:17}

      Reply
      • john smith says

        Sep 27, 2020 at 4:22 pm

        FYI, Pope Francis of Assisi made a prophecy of a future pope, he said. “A man not canonically elected, will be raised to pontificate, not a true pastor, but a destroyer”.
        According to wikileaks, todays pope Francis wasn’t canonically elected, he was installed by George Soros. Apparently Soros paid the Vatican hierarchy vast sums of money to force pope Benedict to resign.
        Todays pope certainly is ticking all the boxes of this prophecy, ironically he was also named after Francs of Assisi.

        Reply
        • john smith says

          Sep 27, 2020 at 4:27 pm

          P.S you seem a very informed person, and you may be aware of this, but I thought I’d give it a mention.

        • FYI says

          Sep 27, 2020 at 5:19 pm

          @John Smith

          Thanks John.Actually I am aware of that.There are certainly a handful of senior clergymen who know about it too.

          There is Archbishop Maria Vigano who wrote to Donald Trump and who is well worth reading about the connections between the Jesuits,Lefties,Globalists,the Vatican and Democrats and Soros.

          Did you know the Jesuits in America{according to the Archbishop} have received money grants{2 million dollars over 4 years}from Soros and the Chinese have been donating money to the vatican?

        • john smith says

          Sep 28, 2020 at 12:55 pm

          FYI, Thank you for this information.Though I am aware of Soros’s activities,I had no idea that the CCP are giving the Vatican $2 billion a year in bribes, until now.
          I was also unaware of this letter the Archbishop wrote to Trump, as it got little or no coverage over here, as I didn’t here a thing about it.
          I read the letter, and I (like yourself} also see these two opposing forces operating in the world, it’s even more clearer to me now than ever. So once again thank you for this.

    • Mauricio says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 1:29 pm

      Too bad that for popeists (roman catholics) Salvation is not possible without the pope.

      Reply
      • CogitoErgoSum says

        Sep 27, 2020 at 3:26 pm

        That’s NOT what Roman Catholics believe. Christ is our Saviour and Redeemer and only He passes final judgement on our souls, not the Pope.

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Sep 27, 2020 at 9:09 pm

          Spot on, CogitoErgoSum.

        • James Lincoln says

          Sep 27, 2020 at 10:31 pm

          +1

        • Mauricio says

          Sep 27, 2020 at 10:53 pm

          Thanks for your reply.
          “…schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.” (Code of canon law 751, mentioned in the Catholic church catechism as well). According to canon 1364, schism is punished with immediate excommunication that doesn’t need to be notified. Excommunicated people don’t go to heaven.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 28, 2020 at 11:16 pm

      Good posts, IQ al Rassooli. And good to see you commenting here again.

      Reply
  6. FYI says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 10:21 am

    allah appears to have missed/contradicted or denies in his ‘perfect’ koran..

    1]The Two chief commandments{chief law#1 Deut 6:4-9,chief law #2 Lev 19:17-18} defined as ‘the Whole of the Law of Moses and the teachings of all the prophets depend on these two commandments”
    Matthew 22 v 37-40}

    So where are they in islam?
    Both Judaism and Christianity have these two supreme laws.

    allah’s chief commandment is ‘belief in allah and JIHAD is his cause'{Muslim 1:149}
    No concept of ‘love thy neighbor’ exists in islam as your neighbor,if an infidel,is considered inferior to a muslim and is defined as ‘the WORST of created beings’ koran 98:6{or if a Jew,’to be despised and hated’ koran2:65}.

    islam is a muslim only religion and infidels are not equal to muslims.

    2]The Golden Rule{defined as ‘the MEANING of the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets”
    Matthew 7 v 12}

    allah MISSED “the whole of the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets” and the MEANING of the law ..and yet laughably,muslims think the Bible is corrupted when it is obvious the koran is corrupt.

    3]The point of the Exodus 20 Decalogue,the ten commandments{the koran is an instruction manual to violate them.That defeats the purpose of the law given to Moses in the first place!}

    4]The key role given to the Jews
    {“It is from the Jews that salvation comes” John 4 v22}

    5]The Wisdom source behind the Bible{the Holy Spirit}
    {The Bible shows the PRESENCE of this Wisdom.The koran shows the ABSENCE of this Wisdom.
    There is no point explaining that to islamic ‘scholars’.They have no idea}

    6}The concept of people being made in the spiritual image of God{Genesis 1:27}
    {the koran has an apartheid system koran 98:6: non muslims are the ‘WORST of created beings’ .Note how this classification,along with the vilification of the Jews ‘to be despised and hated’ k2:65 ,along with islams’ Doctrine of HATE ,al walaa wal barra,means the concept of ‘love thy neighbor'{chief law #2} cannot be satisfied in islam.
    Nor can Chief law #1 since allah permits the violation of the Law which YHWH insists must be followed}

    allah is NOT omniscient
    {if allah thinks MARY is in the Trinity koran 5:116,the Jews believe in ‘ezra the son of allah’ k9:30 which is wrong then allah is not all knowing:if allah was omniscient he would KNOW Christians and Jews don’t believe that}

    allah is NOT merciful as he does not permit final penitence{koran 4:18}

    allah discriminates against non-muslims {koran 9:30/koran 98:6}.
    Note that all people are equal before the Biblical God but all people are NOT equal before allah

    In koran 45:16 allah actually CONFIRMS the ‘prophethood’ was given to the children of Israel and the children of Israel are of course Jews:no doubt baradai wishes to pretend they were muslims

    Reply
  7. Fred Middleton says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 10:59 am

    I believe an Ebonite priest – some sort of heretic and probably ignorant of Hebrew and Greek – prepared the text for Mohammed. The illiterate camel-driver could hardly have been a Biblical scholar! One egregious mistake is the combination of the stories of the Tower of Babel, the Exodus, and Esther into one story. These events happened hundreds of miles apart and at approximately 1000 years apart from each other!

    Reply
  8. Agostino Armo Pellegrini says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 11:15 am

    “Indeed, both these creeds are heresy according to Islam,”~Baradai

    This doesn’t surprise me at all, bombastic claims like this are part and parcel of muslims’ jihad denial of truth, valid history, and a healthy respect for the beliefs of others. Sentiments like these from muslims underscore the contempt and hatred they have for all non-muslims, especially Christians, Jews, and Hindus. These faiths present a serious challenge to their demonic creed, as they are founded on humanistic principles of fair play, equality, and justice for all–ideals islam cares little about. Muslims have enjoyed great success in employing religion as both a cloak and shield to advance their totalitarian agenda. It’s a ruse of course, because islam’s political ambitions are obvious as are the fascist methods they employ. It can’t be a “religion of peace” when it has oppressed and killed millions, but don’t speak that truth unless you’re prepared to be branded a racist bigot islamophobe. The notion that islam is just a godly religion seeking spiritual truths is a lie; and the notion that islam is a “religion of peace” is an even greater lie that could never hide the untold suffering and death it has caused. It’s like calling Hitler a gentle bearer of human progress and social healing, it’s a falsehood that reaches all the way to the stars.

    People on the left who lie and shill for islam better come to their senses soon. They are creating bad karma for themselves and everyone else if they treat islam like a game to be toyed with. Islam does not take an eclectic view of other faiths. To muslims our faiths–or lack of faith–is a “heresy” to be murdered, imprisoned, or extorted. And bold, arrogant statements like Baradai’s reveal all too well the unyielding, seething contempt that compels them to those criminal acts against us. Their religion is the only true religion, the rest of us can go to hell, literally. Islam is basically organized crime in the name of religion, for profit and power. My response to that is, allah can suck my favorite part, and so can all muslims who think they’re better than my atheist a$$ because they worship a filthy demon.

    (Sorry if my crude language offends some, but islam brings it out of me. I need to express it because that’s truly how I feel about it. Thanks for your understanding)

    Reply
    • GreekEmpress says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 2:18 pm

      I heard worse on my fifth grade playground, AAP.
      Plus I think we’re all allowed to vent a little here! 😊

      Reply
      • Agostino Armo Pellegrini says

        Sep 27, 2020 at 2:46 pm

        I didn’t realize we had 5th graders in here, I’ll have to choose my words more wisely, lol 😉

        Reply
  9. piccolino says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 1:33 pm

    False Religions: Mormon Religion and Muslim Religion

    Joseph Smith and Muhammad
    Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s
    clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    (Matthew 7:15)
    For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall
    show great signs and wonders, to deceive, if it were
    possible, even the elect. (Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22)

    Angel Moroni/Book of Mormon and Angel Jibril/Koran
    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach
    to you a gospel that is different from the one we
    preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!
    (Galatians 1:8)
    We have said it before, and now I say it again: if anyone
    preaches to you a gospel that is different from the one
    you accepted, may he be condemned to hell!
    (Galatians 1:9)
    For you gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and
    preaches a different Jesus, not the Jesus we preached;
    and you accept a spirit and a gospel completely
    different from the Spirit and the gospel you received
    from us! (2 Corinthians 11:4)

    Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 9:12 pm

      The Mormons did copy Islam to a disturbing extent–Joseph Smith said “I will be a second Mohammad”. Mormonism is not a threat now, though–would that we could say they same about Islam.

      Reply
  10. CogitoErgoSum says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 3:44 pm

    To me, having read the Koran, Christianity seems the better way.

    Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 9:12 pm

      +1

      Reply
    • Alice W says

      Sep 28, 2020 at 7:30 am

      You think?
      Which is better? To love your neighbor, or to subjugate or murder him if the does not worship allah?

      Reply
  11. somehistory says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 3:56 pm

    The only way anyone could hope to prove this …including this idiot liar…would be to find writings older than any Bible manuscripts and find someone who could translate them into a language spoken, written, and read today.
    And everyone would have to agree that the one who found it, didn’t create it, and the one translating it, was honest and and managed to find a way to translate from an unknown language.

    Many are aware of how long it can take to translate writings from a ‘dead’ language.
    But, there is no way on God’s green earth that this fool is speaking Truth. In fact, the foul fool, mass-murdering, raper of children, lying son-of satan is the one who did the “manipulation” of earlier writings of the Prophets and then claimed that he was the “prophet” who had spoken directly with an angel and was given the garbage, the drivel, the evil filth known as islam in their filthy book.

    If the pope had any credibility, he lost it when giving this guy an audience….guessing that he is in the photo with the pope as it is impossible for me to make the letters clear enough today to read more than just the headlines. In any case, the more often he speaks to ,and listens to, moslims, the more he bolsters their arrogance and the less he can be believed when speaking about what Jesus wants.

    Our Creator had a special relationship with Adam, until the man sinned. God then had a special relationship with other men due to the fact that they “listened to His voice,” and attempted to be what God wanted them to be. One of the most important things about these men, and a few women, who spoke for God was their honest, their integrity, and that’s because “it is impossible for God to lie.”
    Liars will be punished for their lies. Liars are to be thrown into the lake of fire. Lairs are fro their “father the devil,” the “father of the lie.”

    The filthy of islam is full of lies…and those who follow it are taught to lie. This is one of the easiest ways to tell that there is no Truth in islam…its its people are taught, instructed and commanded to lie.

    A lie is not Truth.

    Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 9:19 pm

      Yes–the idea that there is a version of the Torah and the Gospels which is in accord with the Qur’an is just ridiculous–no one has ever found such a version, even though there is Biblical text dating back millenia. It is obvious Muslim bs–but they are still happy to murder Jews and Christians oave this.

      Reply
  12. gravenimage says

    Sep 27, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    Italy: Top Muslim leader says Judaism and Christianity are ‘manipulation of original messages of prophets’
    …………….

    This is *exactly* how Islam regards Judaism and Christianity. Pious Muslims claim that Jews and Christians “corrupted” their scriptures, and deny things like a loving God and the Golden Rule.

    Reply
    • Edmund says

      Sep 27, 2020 at 10:20 pm

      I think they really don’t care about the truth and who told those “revelations”. Some “God” or even not existing human. In totalitarian societies, people are brainwashed from birth, so even humans like Lenin, Mao, Hitler was seen God like.

      Their “holy” books are like Mein Kampf, suited to conquer other nations by “master race” and they find this idea very appealing. So why they have to belive in Christian Jesus when they have Stalin or Muhhamad calling them – master race ? For them such all loving Jesus is just very weak untermensch, which can be just crushed …

      Reply
  13. Giacomo Latta says

    Sep 28, 2020 at 10:07 am

    ” Islam corrects the crippling made in the residual scriptures of the Torah and the gospel”
    Yet more drivel about everyone of any import being muslim even before the existence of the koran. Not big on logic these yobs, who obviously use a different sppech for each crowd.

    Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Sep 28, 2020 at 11:17 pm

      +1

      Reply

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